Concrete Pool Surface Options
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- Опубліковано 23 тра 2020
- From www.swimmingpoolsteve.com/page... - Learn about the different concrete swimming pool surface options and the function of each choice. Tile, Plaster and Paint. What is the best interior swimming pool surface?
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Hell yeah I’m subscribing. This guy is sitting inside of a motor room of a submarine with a quality microphone telling it like it is. On top of that I’ve never heard Bob’s your uncle before. So I just learned a new phrase, this guy is the best!
It's British slang
What a great Podcast voice! Just listened to this while walking the baby and am excited to go to your channel to see what other nuggets of wisdom you're throwing out.
Well thank you! I live in northern Portugal and our painted pool is a pain as it constantly flakes. We decided to go for the small mosaic type tiles. Long story short, with Covid the pool company have now told us we have to wait until...autumn/October as they can’t get the workmen as it’s now tourist season.. and they are busy with contracts! I’m very cross! Anyhow another company told us about a type of liner that I believe to be the vinyl liner..with various thickness and prices. On watching another of your great videos telling me that I can never really empty it...plus watching how it’s put in, and seeing how folk have bubbles etc etc....You have convinced me I was right first time! Tiles it will be. First a thin painted on coating that will help stop moisture in either direction, then the tiles will be put on with the usual waterproof glue and the grouting will be epoxy which is more expensive but should last longer! How does that sound? And I’m glad I’m in Portugal...our quotes are much lower here! (So is our wine and coffee btw! ) Thanks for any more advice Swimming Pool Steve?! 🇵🇹
Great job! thoroughly covering pool plaster, paint, or tile. Thank you🙏
I enjoy your considered science based opinion about all things pool related. Keep doing the good work.
Wow I was literally wondering this after watching your other video lol you’re a blessing thank you 🙏
This is awesome information. I’m researching, and will put in a concrete plunge pool. Since it’s smaller, I may be able to use tile. What is your view on plunge pools - any particular problems?
Thank you, Steve. This was EXACTLY the guidance I was looking for!!
Great advice. I have a pebble mix finish which is sound but has lost it's shine and is very difficult to keep clean. My plan is to tile over the top but would you recommend waterproofing with a cementitious sealer beforehand or will the tile adhesive have waterproofing qualities?
Finally someone that talks straight about pool maintenance
I sure try!
Thanks Steve, very helpful
Great input! I am a DIY guy exploring all options & appreciate the comments about using a product like Pebbletec and Wet Edge pebble lines when it comes to future resurfacing cons. Can u recommend any products that could be theoretically applied by a knowledgeable homeowner?
I’m thinking of Renovating my pool surface and Tiling the pool. I’m worried about the grouting , is there a waterproof grout that should be used ?
Great info. Thanks!
At last, no bullshit, I've subscribed. How do you work out the amount of acrylic ? and is colouring the white cement a good idea ?
Great presentation on helpful information. Thank you.
This guy knows his stuff
This is great info. I’m a newbie pool owner. It’s from the days of bomb shelters. How do I know what on the surface to clean it up. It’s solid but discolored
What do think about products like Pebble Tec?
Hi Steve. We have a concrete pool that has paint that is slowing chipping off from a previous resurface. What do you think about the ecofinish products?
I saw the speciffication on the pool finish it say "crystal" . Does it means it a combination of quarts or glass beads?
Hello!
Can I use regular porcelain for pool and what cement I should use ?
I was looking for pool ideas and stayed for your voice!
So basically, I was looking for copper and found gold
@Darius Nicholas But do the movies have Steve's voice though...?
@James Curtis You can watch a movie anytime but Steve's voice is 1 in a million.
Would be your suggestion on SGM diamond Brite steve
Wow! Thank you. Great honest share.
Glad it was helpful!
You rock Steve ty
You are amazing!!!
Which is a better option Pebble crete or glass crete
Thanks again.
hi Steve, I just tiled my swimming pool with glass tiles. You said the grouting needs to be redone once in a few years. I did use epoxy grout. the only problem i had is sometimes there is a pinhole in the grout - I tried to patch them all but what if I missed a few? hopefully it will not create problems down the road. the pool is concrete pool and I did the waterproofing (Mapelastic 315) as well. thanks
Hello!
What store you buy cement for put tiles and waterproof seal ?
@@elenakurus2010 Prosol in Burnaby
Thanks for the information. Can you put a liner on a concrete shell?
Unless the shell was brand new as in pool just built would not recommend lining the pool
If your referring to putting a liner cover over a shell of course as long as its sealed up completely
Here is a video about putting a liner into a concrete pool: ua-cam.com/video/HhjIA0Xl6HA/v-deo.html
Hey Steve - love your brutally honest videos. What do you think of resurfacing concrete pools with fiberglass? We're considering it 'cos the old concrete shell has a dozen vertical cracks and the fiberglass lining makes it waterproof and supposedly has some flex. But it's not as attractive as plaster with glass beads... Would love your thoughts!
What did you end up doing? I have cracking issues myself
I’m having a problem with a couple of my pebble tech pools. They are getting a turquoise tent to them. All my levels are within range. Have you ever heard of this? Ps it’s not algae.
What is the best seal before applying tile ?
Can you add "Mortar Coloring" to the Portland mix? Tell us more about the Liquid Acrylic additive.
Yes integral pigment is used in some colored plasters
Does a saltwater pool tip the balance of considerations on surface choice?
It does not because adding salt to your pool will not harm it, only if you do not balance your water chemistry...and if you dont do that then it does not matter what kind of pool you have because poor water chemistry destroys all of them.
I don't ever hear about anyone placing HDPE welded liners under the RC concrete and using a waterproof and chemical resistant concrete. Does anyone know why this is?
Sounds like it would simplify a lot of the challenges that people experience.
What about aligners?
For a DIY CMU block pool.
Would you suggest roll on Sidercrete?
Prior to applying sidercrete, would it be best to apply a 1/2" portland + sand + acrylic coat over the CMU'S with fiberglass lath (fiberlath)
Would the acrylic admix be a good or bad idea?
Thanks, When you say regular pool plaster is that considered to be Marcite?
Terminology can change depending on who you are speaking with, but yes marcite is a pool plaster. White sand and white cement is plaster. But it could be marble dust or dolomite or silica or quartz crystal and called many names interchangeably
@@Swimmingpoolsteve thanks!
Can the plaster be tinted when mixed? If not, is it ok to paint over plaster?
You can use pigments in thr plaster for limited color selection. You can also add colored aggregates but then you need to do a reveal immediately following the plaster which I am not a huge fan of. Some contractors don't like pigment plaster as it is streaky and inconsistent for coloation
What are you thoughts about ICF pools? Insulated concrete forms.
I'm rendering my pool with sand cement on blue glass beads mix with a sponge smooth finish💪, think it will look cool grey cement blue glass shimmer 🙅♂️
Damnnn ... 30-100k for pool tiling? Sounds like the same cost to install a new pool or replace the pool? Lol
Do you think I could plaster my pool myself? I also considered tiling the pool myself. If you have proper techniques for tiling pool video?I also have some gouges when I dug up my pool up with backhoe. Someone filled with gravel which I removed. I got a hold of stairs with backhoe which I will have to patch rounded edges flattened. Any help appreciated. I have researched recommended hydraulic cement maybe with acrylic to patch gouges. Any help appreciated 👍 Its a 9 foot deep pool which is rounded belly in deep end. I have also co sided liner but its concrete and I hear some issues can come out of that. Thanks
Resurfacing yourself can be done but its a lot of work
Draining
Pulling hydrostatic main drain plug
Juking the pool
Identifying, removing and blocking in hollow spots
Acid wash
Applying a bonding agent
All of this has to be done before a new surface can be put on
Here is a video about this question: ua-cam.com/video/eLZ5FAii8kY/v-deo.html
so f you have a concrete block pool rendered wall/screed floor and its painted it will leak ,is there anything that you can put on top of the screed and render to make it leak proof before painting it
A render does not make a concrete pool waterproof. Concrete is porous. The parge render is porous...if you want to make a concrete vessel waterproof then you need to waterproof it with something like redgard, hydroban or basecrete. Further to this a block wall pool with a render finish was a poor and cheap design from the 60's and 70's. Only really suitable for hanging a liner in. A block wall pool with a poured floor is NOT a concrete pool.
@@Swimmingpoolsteve In my experience with ferro-cement it all depends on the mix, a 2:1 mix fine sand to cement by weight with water content between 40 to 50 percent less than the cement is waterproof if the casting method consolidates the mix to remove voids. It's the high cement ratio that achieves this job. When I saw a video on youtube about fracking drillers pumping neat cement down their drill holes to stop water leaking into them, I switched to using neat cement to seal my pool sand filters I built out of recycled chlorine drums, the leaks stopped instantly. If neat cement can stop leaks with 100 times atmospheric pressure, it's going to have no problem with only 2 or 3 times.
I had a pool guy tell me I don't need tile around the upper part of my concrete pool. We just bought this property and don't know the whole history of the pool. It was built around 1962. It has a crack/leak, which has been repaired in the past. There is tile along the upper margin now and of course, he's trying to talk me into a more expensive proprietary coating there instead. What do you think?
Plaster is not suitable for dry sometimes / wet sometimes areas. This is why tile is used in this location. Any plaster render or parge coat will fail here. It s pretty common to find concrete pools with this done...very rare to find one where the concrete is not all failing along the waterline.
@@Swimmingpoolsteve Thank you!!!!!
Fibreglass coating the concrete pool is the most common technique in Australia.
Well, you are a Debbie Downer! Thanks for the information 😊
I am thinking of ICF pool. can I tile on top of the foam? or do I need to page it first then let it dry then tile on top of the parge surface with tile glue?
did you get an answer to your question from other sources? i am scourging the youtube comment sections for this exact thing....thx
@@mimimoras8342 NO, but I think you should do a pool like foundation wall of a house and spray foam the outer wall
cheers for the reply! Im building an ICF house actually, pool seemed like a natural expansion and i like the monopour option to remove cold joints. I would think a redgard water barrier on inside and then tile over that would be ok BUT i would prefer to learn from other peoples experience good or bad first! thanks again!
@@mimimoras8342 what city?
I wish I could ask him questions directly !! I need help. lol .... help ? anyone?
For tiles for a 1000m³ surface the square-meter would need to cost 30bucks to have 30.000usd costs and 1000 square-meter seems to be quite much for a pool.
I looked for that small mosaik-tiles made from glass and the Square-Meter is 12€....so it seems not to be SO expensive.
There are loads of tiles on the market which are not suitable for use in pools. The correct tiles which are paper faced, not mesh backed, and has passed thermal shock tests, frost resistance etc. are around $30 per square foot. This would put glass tile costs at 60k for a 20x40' pool. Yes there are many cheap tiles on the market, but you should not be using those in pools. Large format porcelain if you want cheap square footage coverage, but if you want glass tiles you have to pay, big time, and that includes buying tiles that meet the technical specifications for use in pools.
Great video. Mostly cause you said "bobs your uncle!"
Not a mention of peeble.
Wouls this be an acceptable coating?
concrete-cement-masonry/bagged-concrete-cement-mortar/akona-reg-heavy-duty-waterproofing-base-coat
acrylic paint on a budget, re-paint every 5 years or so, seems the easiest
Canada, “second generation swimming pool and spa specialist”. Smh. I can’t.
Yes, this is precisely what I am. Even won an industry leadership award for my work in this industry in 2018.
Hahaha tile is DEFINITELY NOT THE BEST SURFACE/FINISH for your concrete swimming pool. Not sure where Steve is from but he missed by A MILE ON THIS ONE! Research more people..
So what is better than tile? When installed properly it has a service life of over 50 years. So which interior surface are you claiming is better?
If installed properly you have gotten EXTREMELY LUCKY if you get 50 years out of your tile..especially if you’re in a cold climate and it’s not an indoor facility . Build (or renovate) an all concrete pool with PVC is very tough to beat (if installed properly like you said). Don’t have to worry about all the little maintenance along the way that comes attached/along with tile like you mentioned. Cut, weld, bond, on site and your concrete pool is ready for 30+ years EASY with 40-50 years probably being a more realistic number. Tough to beat German Engineering 💪