The Philosophy of DARK: Time Travel, Death, and Desire

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  • @SeaofFog
    @SeaofFog  4 роки тому +193

    There are so many ways into thinking about Dark that it was hard to settle on just Heidegger! Are there any other philosophers you'd like to explore Dark with, or any other interesting details I missed?

    • @connectingthedots100
      @connectingthedots100 4 роки тому +31

      It was very meditative to listen to this. A lot of the philosophy of the story gets pushed into the background by the suspense of the time travel mystery plot. And some viewers seem to think it's mere decoration. Obviously Shopenhauer and Nietzsche are always mentioned and I would be interested to hear your take on it.

    • @motionpictures6629
      @motionpictures6629 3 роки тому +19

      Schopenhauer was the main source of quotes. I have the theory that Hegel and Schopenhauer are the Schrödingers Cat of philosophy. Hegel saw everything as waves, Schopenhauer saw everthing as individuals/particals, Heidegger was the one collapsing the wave of potential.

    • @sirrobot4489
      @sirrobot4489 3 роки тому +30

      There's so much incredible symbolism, both visual and thematic in DARK. For example, whenever Jonas and Martha meet alone for the first time in season 1 and 3, they do so while standing on railroad tracks. It hints at the reality of their existences; running in parallel, but never meeting

    • @JoaoPedro-jr8pf
      @JoaoPedro-jr8pf 3 роки тому +10

      Deleuze & Guattari's concept of desire and their critique of the incest taboo

    • @morgenthau5986
      @morgenthau5986 2 роки тому +5

      I enjoyed this video to my core, thank you for make it possible, you're channel is awesome!

  • @risingwindspress
    @risingwindspress 2 роки тому +183

    The French anthropologist René Girard wrote extensively on the subject of desire. He speculated that desire, in most of the world's literature and mythologies, was imitative or mimetic. In other words, we have a tendency to look at what other people desire and we ourselves believe that we desire it as well even though, in our heart of hearts, we probably don't. This mimetic desire then leads to conflict against one another, leading to scapegoating and wars. I LOVE the idea that the characters in Dark are imitating THEIR OWN DESIRES from past or future selves, and still finding no release.

  • @paolaguerrero1810
    @paolaguerrero1810 Рік тому +263

    4:04 Winden = To wind, twist, or writhe in agony
    Therefore in the end, they really lived in "a world without winden."
    This show is beyond beautiful.

    • @Anonymous-jt1mk
      @Anonymous-jt1mk Місяць тому

      They were in paradise as explained by Jonas,s mother in the origin world in the last scene when she experienced a " deja vu "

  • @Daneiladams555
    @Daneiladams555 2 місяці тому +8

    dark is profound and mysterious and deep, one of the best shows ever made

  • @Ps3Mpintor
    @Ps3Mpintor 3 роки тому +174

    I need to meet more people to talk about this show!!! Im glad im now the only one who is fascinated by it

    • @kevinhaynes9091
      @kevinhaynes9091 3 роки тому +8

      We yearn to understand the mysteries of life and existence! Some understand more than others, and they use their art to guide us. Be fascinated and follow your path...

    • @getmad3013
      @getmad3013 2 роки тому

      for me its crazy i meet a guy in an old Counter Strike version and on a 30 people server we were talking about Dark , he said and i agree "Dark is in his own league"

    • @JuanRodriguez-sb7zp
      @JuanRodriguez-sb7zp Рік тому +2

      I'm from Chicago. I don't know a single person over here who's seen DARK

    • @rahulprakaash3350
      @rahulprakaash3350 Рік тому +1

      Dark series also shown reincarnation as a quantum Immortality concept, Katherina died in first world and reborns in second World, she then died in second World during apocalypse but her soul remembers her suffering during the lost of Mikkel that's why she was hugging Mikkel during apocalypse, Peter died in first world and reborns in second World, that's why he was feeling like he have met Jonas, when Jonas first time came to his world, because he have given him therapy, Martha have also born in second World that's why she was saying that when I met you Jonas I felt I met you before, Magnus Does all time travel thing with Jonas and reborns in second World and that's why he was satisfied during Apocalypse of second World because he have done so much work so his soul was satisfied. Similarly Francisca also done so much work and reborns in second second World and she was not having voice because she disrespected her sister who can't speak and her soul was also satisfied during Apocalypse of second World. but Jonas born again in his own universe but in Scrodinger cat theory, quantum immortality, that's why he never born in second World because he was always present in his world, his soul never gone their to reborn. But they all reborn in third world through different parents and reunited. The paradise.
      yes it may possible that quantum immortality concept of quantum physics can exist in real we just don't know that we are immortal and we will be become our Ulternate version of Scrodinger cat experiment, as Jonas felt something when he first read the letter of Martha, because he knows then only that The lines he said to real Martha can't be known by the Martha of other world. So it may be all version of all characters were past and future life of each other. And that is why he became Adam from Jonas.
      There is also a hint given in episode 5 of season 2 that in staring scene Middle Jonas dreamed where he is with Teenage Martha on bed and then suddenly Martha belly Ejects black liquid and that was their son, the origin, he was shocked because Adult jonas never goes to Martha for intercourse on bed , but because in true sense he goes to Martha world and died and reincarnated in alternate version.
      And this song just was playing during Stranger Jonas was on work, indicating that he is done dying

  • @stephencooper7459
    @stephencooper7459 3 роки тому +121

    I binged this a few weeks ago. The mental gymnastics became addictive. Didn't dawn on me till I watched other TV shows. This really is the show that deserves masterpiece and explanation videos. The ending is amazing. It's done something that hasn't been done before not for me at least. That's how great it is. Great video. 😊love the way the gun travels through time and a prop has a journey that level of writing is sublime.

  • @69savage76
    @69savage76 4 роки тому +111

    How has this video not have more thousands of votes by now?

    • @SeaofFog
      @SeaofFog  4 роки тому +11

      Thanks! If you know any Dark fans, tell them about the video!

    • @69savage76
      @69savage76 4 роки тому +1

      View* just caught my mistake

  • @elamingadim3724
    @elamingadim3724 5 днів тому

    ive watched this video like 8 times. This is the single greatest video essay on DARK. Most people get distracted by the sci fi and time travel and not the underling themes and philosophy that is core to the show.

  • @JJMomoida
    @JJMomoida 3 роки тому +29

    I finished a few hours ago and what a goddamn ride this was. I don't think I ever kept the ENTIRE family tree in my mind. I would update it every time a change was made to it by a character who traveled forward or back, but I wouldn't think about every single connection made. That was... too much for me, tbh, although I am glad that such maps exist online (even on the official website haha).

  • @lupa9794
    @lupa9794 25 днів тому +1

    Perfect, just perfect. I'm sure the creators of the show would approve of your depiction and explanation. Thank you

  • @undapantzqeen
    @undapantzqeen Рік тому +10

    I come back to this video over and over again. Somehow, you have created a masterpiece.

  • @carlosfajardo9461
    @carlosfajardo9461 Рік тому +8

    Notice the reference when he says 'A quiet life', at 8:24, which is a reference to the song which seems perfectly written for this series

  • @liambacon7060
    @liambacon7060 2 роки тому +19

    Dark is perfect never believe anything else

  • @stranger2Utube
    @stranger2Utube 3 роки тому +17

    The content is worth of every praise of course, but I wanted to mention something else. I noticed within you narration two phrases from Dark soundtrack songs, "Quiet life" and "Somehow, somewhen" (which, for people who do not know German, would be English translation of 1st and 3rd word from Nena's "Irgendwie, iregendwo, irgendwann") - and there may be more that I missed. I can't believe this is an accident, at the very least you would have to do it unconsciously, but I very much doubt this. I think you did it on purpose, little symbols left there for an watchful ear in true style of Dark itself, what a unity of form and content this would be. If this is indeed the case, it's PURE MASTERY.

  • @jonathanlgill
    @jonathanlgill 3 роки тому +40

    I'm doing my thesis on Heidegger, so absolutely I was excited to see you apply his philosophy to my favorite tv show.
    I'd been thinking about Heidegger a lot while watching the show (e.g., one more simple example, the show's repeated line that "What we know is a drop; what we don't know, an ocean." That's very much Heidegger's contention in Origin of the Work of Art, that what discloses itself to us is meaningful is bound around the edges by a vast sense of unknown "earth").

    • @harshr1831
      @harshr1831 2 роки тому

      Oh interesting. Are you doing PhD in philosophy?

    • @jonathanlgill
      @jonathanlgill 2 роки тому +1

      @@harshr1831 Renaissance Literature, but with phenomenology is my primary theoretical approach.

    • @harshr1831
      @harshr1831 2 роки тому

      @@jonathanlgill since you are doing your thesis on heidegger you must have read a lot about him. Can you suggest a good book by him for a beginner?

    • @jonathanlgill
      @jonathanlgill 2 роки тому +3

      @@harshr1831 Michael Inwood's "A Very Short Introduction to Heidegger" works well as an introduction. Hubert Dreyfus is another name to mention: his readings of Heidegger are not just highly influential in English scholarship, but he really tries to make Heidegger as clear as possible without sacrificing any depth.

    • @harshr1831
      @harshr1831 2 роки тому

      @@jonathanlgill great! I will check it out. Thank you.

  • @themomentcollector5402
    @themomentcollector5402 3 роки тому +9

    I found it most appropriate to loop this infinitely

  • @Reality-Distortion
    @Reality-Distortion 2 місяці тому +2

    By far the best Dark video.

  • @shreyasjejurkar1233
    @shreyasjejurkar1233 Рік тому +3

    Great video. Much appreciated.
    There is one more dialog by tanhouse which touches the core philosophy.
    "You can choose what you want but your wants are already choose for you".

  • @haraldmax9685
    @haraldmax9685 3 роки тому +15

    Great explanation of the philosophical thought structure behind the storyline of the series.

  • @ericglimme3362
    @ericglimme3362 4 роки тому +28

    Fantastic analysis!

  • @ivanamendez478
    @ivanamendez478 2 роки тому +6

    You just blew my mind with the fact that we will never actually experience our own death. Wow

    • @suicidesilence4444
      @suicidesilence4444 4 місяці тому

      That's not what some scientists say. Or brain is active for s some time after "death".

  • @e.t.salienation2457
    @e.t.salienation2457 Рік тому +1

    Somehow that thumbnail and this popping up in my algorithmic feed was the impetus for watching the show so I can fully appreciate a surely moving, visual essay. Well done, my friend.

  • @ryanbarnhart8295
    @ryanbarnhart8295 Місяць тому +1

    Dude. This is amazing. Well done.

  • @Hewhomweshallnotspeakof
    @Hewhomweshallnotspeakof 2 роки тому +1

    I have listen to this over and over. And it never get old.

  • @daniellerappaport3978
    @daniellerappaport3978 Рік тому +2

    Thanks for this video summary, I just finished watching the last episode last night and am still mulling it over…this series is true art and took me on a rollercoaster of emotions and realisations. I now know I’ll have to watch it all again sometime with the benefit of hindsight. Profound, moving and thought provoking.

  • @belinda35_77
    @belinda35_77 3 роки тому +3

    This was excellent!
    Thank you!
    Edit: It's been 6 months since I first watched this and it is still the most beautiful post Dark essay on UA-cam!

  • @MarcelE80
    @MarcelE80 16 днів тому +1

    Wow, what a great video essay. Thank you

  • @Staticsun
    @Staticsun 2 роки тому +2

    You have a real genius about your ways of words. Subscribed. The future in Dark is always bearing down on the characters it has a velocity that can not be out maneuvered. 🤯🤯🤯I got goosebumps. This video was well worth time.

  • @gilgamesh7055
    @gilgamesh7055 2 роки тому +1

    Everything you said regarding Heidegger's perspectives, we discussed in school in Sweden when i was 16 years old. Cool to hear it again today.

  • @Daneiladams555
    @Daneiladams555 2 місяці тому +1

    the end makes me think of the destruction of the wheel of samsara, eastern philosophy, essentially a sort of enlightenment or peace and trandcendance of this reality

  • @GenMVeers
    @GenMVeers 26 днів тому +1

    A great, insightful video! 👍

  • @BreitheNua
    @BreitheNua 2 роки тому +6

    I love this video, but I disagree that Helge knew he couldn't change his fate but tried anyway. He had dementia, afterall. He might have legitimately thought that he could change things, not being able to reason through it like a man with a sound mind could have. I think he died thinking he was actually changing things.

  • @D3StInIeus
    @D3StInIeus 3 роки тому +3

    This was one the best Dark videos I seen in a while! Not only that but you got the show on a whole wrapped up real nicely!.! XD

  • @jonathansmall4969
    @jonathansmall4969 2 роки тому +2

    Very nice video that inspects the beauty and elegance of Dark. Really great when someone can clearly express such deep themes. Thanks for sharing!

  • @mznaeture
    @mznaeture 2 роки тому +5

    Fractions of an infinite whole 💯 yaaas i love THAT 👏🏾

  • @ImBadWithNamesSadly
    @ImBadWithNamesSadly 2 роки тому +4

    That are many questions that made me seek annihilation (suicide) to finally be free of the pain, but I've started to believe in neither annihilation or in the cycle of life, but something else, something beyond what our little minds can comprehend, It's hard to accept that we will probably never know what happens afterwards, but maybe we shouldn't care, maybe we should let go of that desire to seek meaning in life but enjoy it until the time comes that we may or may not understand everything, maybe there's much more that we will never be able to comprehend until we go from this world to another one, but until then I'll live.
    Or maybe there is a way of knowing, nothing is impossible

  • @kkt6082
    @kkt6082 7 місяців тому

    It was my favorite show when I was a young teenager, I saw the philosophy in some kind in the show bakc then, but I did not know what philosphy of existence or existencialism is. Now the show makes even more sense. Great analysis

  • @RafaelMarques01
    @RafaelMarques01 2 роки тому +1

    I like you mister. I want you to know that, because I like you since your picture is from Bloodborne and you’re talking about Dark… hats off to you.

  • @MatDriver
    @MatDriver 4 роки тому +4

    Fantastic video! So glad I found it on reddit.

  • @relafen66
    @relafen66 3 роки тому +3

    Very well made, amazing production and analysis

  • @michaelharveymusic
    @michaelharveymusic 2 роки тому +2

    Wow this was incredible, what i would give to be able to re watch this show again from a blank slate.
    I’m going to re watch it again (:

  • @Dihuda
    @Dihuda Рік тому +1

    thank you for such a beautiful essay!

  • @bekacynthia
    @bekacynthia 2 роки тому +2

    Man, how did you create this video? I mean, you sound like a Dark expert, and your knowledge of Philosophy and life are terrific! i was intrigued from the beginning to the end...and from the end to the beginning. ;)

  • @paloma2364
    @paloma2364 2 роки тому +5

    This is brilliant! Best overview of the themes explored in Dark. So well narrated!

  • @jordanlevitt1638
    @jordanlevitt1638 2 роки тому +3

    1k likes and 30k views? Are you kidding me? I feel like this video changed my life somehow

  • @noahtrapolino2523
    @noahtrapolino2523 3 роки тому +5

    oh shit you also have my favorite television show of all time. wow

  • @kidnamedfinger420
    @kidnamedfinger420 Рік тому +1

    Very nice video man! Thx for the work👌🏼

  • @joeycantinieri4205
    @joeycantinieri4205 3 роки тому +2

    you did a really good job w this fr

  • @jenniperkins4260
    @jenniperkins4260 3 роки тому +4

    Great analysis! Shows us how our “predestined” circumstances change who we are ... everything is connected. Everything affects everything.

  • @RafaelMarques01
    @RafaelMarques01 2 роки тому

    Ok, Now I like you more because of the painting at the end. Very clever play of words, since the name you’ve chosen for the channel is also in the name of the painting itself. Also given that the painting is my favourite of all.

  • @garethbatchelor3305
    @garethbatchelor3305 3 місяці тому +1

    I appreciate this video so much...

  • @annfashionspot
    @annfashionspot 8 місяців тому +1

    What a masterpiece! Thank you for this video❤

  • @mohcinebouazizsmb7619
    @mohcinebouazizsmb7619 27 днів тому +1

    Thank you so much ❤️🙏🏼

  • @KeyserTheRedBeard
    @KeyserTheRedBeard 3 роки тому +3

    incredible upload Sea of Fog. I killed that thumbs up on your video. Keep on up the fantastic work.

  • @stan2962
    @stan2962 3 роки тому +2

    Thank you for the profound philosophy! amazing video for an amazing show.

  • @princelesapo
    @princelesapo 4 роки тому +4

    That was beautiful ✨

  • @cesarpozos1936
    @cesarpozos1936 3 роки тому +2

    The Best Dark Analysis!

  • @manuelantonioarizacastro9070
    @manuelantonioarizacastro9070 4 роки тому +10

    DARK is life, both Paradise and Hell.

  • @tastelesshumor8707
    @tastelesshumor8707 3 роки тому +2

    this video was of the highest quality

  • @Staticsun
    @Staticsun 2 роки тому

    You have a real genius about your ways of words. Subscribed.

  • @mitvorsicht9376
    @mitvorsicht9376 3 роки тому +2

    Brilliant Work. Thank you.

  • @MDBowron
    @MDBowron 3 роки тому +3

    I just realised H.G. Tannhaus is a nod to H.G. Wells, the inventor of Time Travel in a science-fiction concept

    • @TrangleC
      @TrangleC 3 роки тому +3

      It might also be a reference to "Tannhauser Gate", which is a place from the "tears in rain" monologue Roy Batty, the replicant character from the original Bladerunner movie (played by Rutger Hauer) makes before his death.
      In it he talks about having seen wonders at the Tannhauser Gate in space and how all the things he experienced and the wonders he saw will be gone when he dies, washed away like tears in the rain.

    • @MDBowron
      @MDBowron 3 роки тому

      @@TrangleC yes I've seen the film, got the 5 disc version on DVD years back

    • @worldsendace
      @worldsendace 3 роки тому +1

      @@TrangleC it is, they even Show a Gate with the Name tannhaus AS an easteregg in the series. And Blade Runner is the Favorite move of the director. Also Tears in rain... Time to die... Is almost the end of DARK...

  • @Rj-jz7tm
    @Rj-jz7tm 11 місяців тому +1

    Sic mundus creatus est. It has to do with the Emerald Tablet that is also written on the body’s of Bartosz and Noah. Hermeticism is the religion and philosophy where a lot from Dark comes from. It’s an rabbit hole to hardly get out of when entered. It will awnser all questions

  • @zenzatoichi1
    @zenzatoichi1 Рік тому +1

    it hits different every time I listen but for Sea of Fog rent was due and this masterpiece was created

  • @MrJuliw
    @MrJuliw 4 місяці тому +1

    Great video =) subbed

  • @carsonpaullee
    @carsonpaullee Рік тому +2

    Is it weird I just thought of DARK as a fourth dimensional family freeing themselves from matter through deleting their existences?

  • @kaiser5610
    @kaiser5610 3 роки тому +4

    very interesting perspektive on the show, also impressed that you seem to be a reader of Heidegger

  • @alifurqan1977
    @alifurqan1977 2 роки тому

    Why isn't there an option to like countless times if there was i would give you 1 million likes 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍......i don't usually comment even if i like the video but these is just wonderful, this is the best explanation of dark so far.

  • @courageunitycompassi
    @courageunitycompassi Рік тому

    This is one reason I like “ Man in the high Castle” I took the central message to be that the heroine is the same in all dimensions, unlike any other character. Or goodness is unwavering, despite the circumstances.

  • @AzenHawke1995
    @AzenHawke1995 2 роки тому +1

    Dark is the best tv show ever created and I will never change my mind

  • @jessequimpo7354
    @jessequimpo7354 8 місяців тому

    Excellent video about my favorite TV show I'm subscribed now ❤❤❤

  • @barhomala3raj216
    @barhomala3raj216 3 роки тому +1

    Wow man
    I have no words just wow👏🏼

  • @Gambitheart
    @Gambitheart Рік тому

    Great analysis of a masterpiece series very very power writing Dark is amazing one of the best series ever made.

  • @timetraveler3733
    @timetraveler3733 6 місяців тому

    Just starting watching the series not too long ago🕎🕎🕜🕜🌅🌅🤴🤴⚓⚓⚜⚜🔱🔱🌊🌊🚀🚀🌌🌌

  • @nicholasbanks4543
    @nicholasbanks4543 2 роки тому

    Beautifully written!

  • @neerajlamsal724
    @neerajlamsal724 4 роки тому +8

    exactly what i was looking for

    • @SeaofFog
      @SeaofFog  4 роки тому

      Glad to hear it! I hope you’ll subscribe for more videos like this one

    • @ce666isa3
      @ce666isa3 3 роки тому

      Duuude

  • @thedaking4880
    @thedaking4880 Рік тому +1

    The first season to the third is just a loupe.
    When I watch the last final episode of season 3 I suddenly remembered true detective when rust talk about the endless circle of time .

  • @ritavb
    @ritavb 3 роки тому +1

    such an amazing video damn im so glad i found this

  • @sannn3216
    @sannn3216 4 роки тому +2

    great video

  • @a.m.4639
    @a.m.4639 Рік тому

    The german word "dasein" means existence, being, presence, path of life.
    It depends on the context which variation is meant.

  • @Carsonlee69420
    @Carsonlee69420 Рік тому +1

    19:33 great question, try the fruit of the tree of life (houma/ayahuasca blends used for thousands of thousands of years &/or meditate a bunch for the endogenous DMT you produce) to find out! youre whalecum for the suggestion btw if you do try those in a safe way and develop peace of mind.

  • @jlupus8804
    @jlupus8804 2 роки тому +1

    This show could never have been a novel, could it.
    Maybe a graphic novel, but the lack of audio would be a huge loss.
    Probably not a theater play.
    Imagine trying to execute the ideas in this show into any other medium. How insane would that be?

  • @ideiasdeninguem5751
    @ideiasdeninguem5751 3 роки тому +1

    good essay!👍

  • @yoavcarmel1245
    @yoavcarmel1245 3 роки тому +1

    amazing video!

  • @lilbaz8073
    @lilbaz8073 Рік тому

    I loved the aspect of knowledge. Where each character was on a different stage of the path of their journey. By the 3rd season you'd think adam and eva are the most knowledgeable because they have memories of what went before. Also want to recreate it.
    But it is all lies. Lies they tell each other. The very reality.

  • @rahulgatliful1
    @rahulgatliful1 7 місяців тому

    My God your explanation is more twisted than the real DARK

  • @jlupus8804
    @jlupus8804 2 роки тому +1

    Imagine if Charlotte was never dropped off at the doctor’s house... he’d build another time machine, wouldn’t he? How many more dimensions would have been created???

  • @carsonpaullee
    @carsonpaullee Рік тому

    Kill your desire, and your truest destination is awaiting you soon... No wanting, no having to, just the infinite light of being itself.

  • @lorisblue
    @lorisblue 19 днів тому +1

    واللَّه عظمة

  • @CarlOkmansen
    @CarlOkmansen 2 роки тому

    Extremely good stuff

  • @prod.hxrford3896
    @prod.hxrford3896 Рік тому

    Excellent video

  • @erkankant
    @erkankant 2 роки тому +1

    The ”will quote” is schopenhauer

  • @-Xeno-
    @-Xeno- 10 місяців тому

    Such a good video.

  • @maninscratch
    @maninscratch 3 роки тому +4

    "Dasein" means "existing". "Da sein" means being there.

    • @harrisonfnord5871
      @harrisonfnord5871 2 роки тому

      What's the difference?

    • @maninscratch
      @maninscratch 2 роки тому +1

      @@harrisonfnord5871 kind of hard to explain for me :I "da sein" is reffering to be at a certain location, while "Dasein" means existing in general.

    • @harrisonfnord5871
      @harrisonfnord5871 2 роки тому

      @@maninscratch certain location? like "world"? I am in the world, i exist. It's the same 🤷

    • @harrisonfnord5871
      @harrisonfnord5871 2 роки тому

      Btw: Heidegger loved these kinds of playing around with semantics... most philosophy students hate him for the same reason 😁

    • @maninscratch
      @maninscratch 2 роки тому +1

      Maybe from your philosophical pov. But in german is a difference between Dasein & da sein.

  • @JoJo-te9sg
    @JoJo-te9sg 2 роки тому

    amazing gj

  • @zer0edgy952
    @zer0edgy952 3 роки тому +1

    amazing

  • @thegreatbidoof2483
    @thegreatbidoof2483 3 роки тому

    great video, was looking for something just like this

  • @gabriel2fan
    @gabriel2fan 3 роки тому +1

    U should have more subbs definitely

  • @piatschboy
    @piatschboy 18 днів тому +1

    10:53

  • @TheLateral18
    @TheLateral18 3 роки тому

    I know is time travel mechanic, i would have like to see what would happened if they changed some events,