Bowling Then VS Now
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- Опубліковано 3 чер 2024
- Skittles, or what we might call the predecessor to bowling, was extremely popular in the 18th Century. It was played among all classes with several sets of rules depending on where you were from and who you were. It can be extremely complicated, or a simple and pleasant yard game. Watch us make a set and play through an entire game!
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0:00 - 1:24 The History
1:24 - 3:01 Making The Ball & Pins
3:01 - 4:44 How We Are Scoring
4:44 - 11:07 The Game!
Wasn't expecting a Let's Play on this channel, but I'm here for it.
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18th century game review. Townsends Gaming.
"All these kids playing bowling games is why there's so much violence on the frontier"--' 1700s b0umers
MALARKEY 🤣🤣🤣🤣 you can always watch the video on eating eels 😆😆😆
A great comment and 100% accurate.
I want more old fashioned games. This was a lot of fun.
Agreed. I love the kind of history that looks closer than rulers, borders, and territories and gets into the everyday life details of food, clothing, games, etc.
"Bowling at nine pins" on Sunsay was illegal in some areas in the 17th and 18th centuries. Someone wised up, added a 10th pin and thumbed their nose at the sheriff
I read that as a kid.
There is still a skittle alley in my hometown in Donegal, Ireland
It's still in use to this day
Could you share a short video clip, a UA-cam Short of the place next time you're there? That's really interesting.
I found it interesting that this would seemingly be the origin of the term "Kingpin", since modern bowling games do not have distinctions between the pins. Seems like a great activity for kids, it's a new game they have to figure out, with some flexibility of the interpretation of the rules, and gets them to connect with history.
You are correct, this is indeed the origin of the term kingpin
I do believe modern European 9 pin bowling still uses the term "kingpin" for the center pin in the diamond pattern.
THAT'S what my mom meant when she'd pass me a five-dollar bill and say "This should keep you in beer and skittles for the weekend"!
"Whenever thunder is heard, the men in the mountains must be playing nine-pins..."
~Rip Van Winkle
My nine pin story: I've a few ancestors who settled New Amsterdam (original Dutch colony which is now NYC). One couple owned a tavern and shows up in the court records quite a few times because of it. One case involved the wife being accused of allowing patrons to drink and bowl nine pins while Sunday service was still happening. The witnesses said she only let them sit inside with their "bowl" (their ball), but no one was drinking or playing until the church bell rang. She won her case! Although I suspect from the sheer number of complaints against the place that they were not too concerned about church hours.
Now I get why they kept adding rules;if everyone had their own "bowl", made various sizes (& weights depending on the kind of wood used to make them).
If the biggest one in the pictures was made of oak or similar wood while it was still green, and then buffed with beeswax to prevent it from drying out; you could lob it up high and knock everything over from it's impact with the board just because it weighed 10 -15 lb 😂
@@kevinschmidt5881 Ahhh, this is a good insight. Yes the wide variety of balls that John mentioned would certainly require a variety of rulesets.
I heard a local legend from Germany that involved people skipping church to go bowling. That seems to have been a common theme
Loved you sharing your family ancestory story w Jon's followers!
@@tf9226 I've heard that, in France, people did the same with the similar game of petanque. Bowls-type games seem fun and all, but things must've been pretty boring if that was their best way to play hooky.
Reminds me of the time I went squirrel hunting in the Catskills with my dog. On my way back home I ended up helping a stranger carry a keg up to a little party in the woods. The guys at the party were playing - you guessed it - nine pins! I assume they were reenactors of some sort because they wore period dress, and they weren't very friendly, didn't say a word. I felt so out of place I ended up drinking a little too much. Fell asleep for 20 years.
Maybe they were "Dutch"
I was thinking the same thing, Rip.
You little time traveler you 😆😆
That actually looks like a fun game! Maybe it's a new product for the store - reintroduce Skittles (the game) to the country.
I second this. :)
This looks like a really handy game to have around. doesn't need much space to set up or play in, easy to reset, easy to pack up. If you have a decent sized room like a meeting hall or something you could set up a couple of these for like a game at a potluck or something. I'd actually rather play this than cornhole.
@@Exarian cornhole is just such garbage
As much as college students love spikeball I think this would have a shot.
This is a fantastic idea.
It's all about the cones.
Cones of Dunshire!!
The Architect...
I liked this but I saw that it made it to 70 likes so I unliked. Just a PSA to all of you out there
It's the essence of the game!
The rule of having to get to 50 exactly is what makes this harder. When you said that you need to get to 50, I assumed you meant get to 50 or higher and thus not a hard game at all. This does look like a fun game!
The back camera took some hits. This looks very fun, would be a great barbecue game.
New rule, the camera is worth six points.
"Skittles" and "9-pin" were all over the novels I read as a kid, but I never even saw how they're set up until today. Some protagonists were described as "very good at games of the aiming and throwing sort," like Bilbo Baggins for example. I never have been. I've had games like Ryan's here. :) Got to love games which give last place a hope of catching up.
What's Skittles 🤔🤔🤔
@@b.savage8953 The pins in 9-pin bowling, though it can mean the whole game too.
I can see why this was a lot of fun and popular and yet also created a lot of rules. In some cases, it was probably difficult to tell which pin hit which other pin(s). And keeping people behind a starting line so they don't cheat other players was probably the source of a lot of arguments, especially among children. Bowling, probably a natural evolution of Skittles, is a lot simpler to understand and less prone to triggering verbal arguments over how many points were earned. The pins could be lightened by hollowing them out a bit.
i think 9 pins got changed to 10 pins when the government banned 9 pins on Sunday but not sure
@@aparrotformrpoirot8906 This actually sounds really plausible.
Sounds like 9 pins has “house rules” kind of approach to the rules. There’s lots of rules but whoever you’re playing with is going to determine how close they’re followed
Would the cones have been painted? I would think that having different colors for the cones would making scoring them much faster.
Good observation! I'm skeptical about having the king-pin decide the score of the pin felled. How in the world would anyone be able to see that happen, remember how it happened, and people not get into an argument about what happened.
You need good judges. As the games went on and beer was quaffed, they may be less accurate, though.
@@stephenthomas1492 getting into an argument is part of game
@@stephenthomas1492definitely something I thought about too. Maybe if you paint just the top of the king pin and leave it wet while you play you could track it’s touches on the other pins
Looks like a nice simple game any woodworking enthusiast could make. I've never tried turning a ball,but I'm game.
Does anyone here remember Wishbone playing this in the Rip Van Winkle episode?
Yes, and I loved that show 😊
I can definitely see some very spirited arguments over whether or not the kingpin hit surrounding pins for the extra points - especially if there was a wager on the line. To make the game go faster (and to prevent players from killing each other lol), I would eliminate that rule and color-code the pins. Looks like an excellent backyard BBQ game!
Lots British pubs had skittle alleys. Not at all common now, sadly. Table skittles is still slightly more common, especially in rural pubs
dorset were i used to live still had a fair few pubs with skittle alleys there would be the occasional advert in the local paper for putterupperer for league games with payment in drinks
You can play a form of bowling at the very end of Assassin's Creed III (set in 18th century America), if you are good enough, you get to play against General Washington.
Cool!
Jon, now is the time to do an episode of 18c. nachos and mozzarella sticks! It isn't "bowling alley food" it's "skittles vittles!"
This makes me curious, what food would pubs have served back then?
SKITTLES VITTLES I love that!!!!
@@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721I would assume meat and potato pies that were handheld. Almost the size of a pudgy pie.
I absolutely adore little nuggets of knowledge 😂 I didn't know that a poplar was called a tulip tree . I'm curious now about the origins of Jacks , tops, yoyo's 🤔 may poles go back . Ancient toys that are rarely used anymore like may poles and marbles 🤔🤔🤔😊 all work and no play would make him a dull boy 😁
Poplar (Populus sp. also called popple) and tulip poplar (Liriodendron tulipifera, also called tulip tree) are very different trees, although 'poplar' was often used for both species.
@@stevenworden7890 😁
Slight correction and addition- I should say "poplar is often used for both species." Tulip tree is also known as yellow poplar, and as a side note can grow to be the largest deciduous tree east of the Mississippi.
@@stevenworden7890 thank you 👍
Would love to see you guys making more 18th century toys and games! Cup and ball next? Hoop and stick? The game of graces? (Played with one small hoop and 2 sticks)
I liked the endgame where you try to get exact counts, so here's a rule that i think would make it quite fun: any time you get a total score that ends in 9 (19, 29, etc) you get 9 more points for free. That adds a lot of strategy because depending on your current score, you might be better off just hucking the ball to knock as many pins as possible, but sometimes better off trying to be precise.
Um 😳 🤣🤣🤣
this would kinda make 49 a dud score and prevent the "shooting for ones" situation at the end. though maybe it would be worth doing it on 8 so that you cant go for the lords (2points) on the corner in the end
@@TheScarvig I'm not sure what your saying, only that Iam glad that John had some fun 😊🥺🥺🥺
Skittles was still very popular in England into the 1980s especially in pubs. There's even a table top version. Reference "old country" with Jack Hargreaves.
Looks like a nice game that any home woodworking enthusiast could build. Ive never tried to turn a ball,but ill give it a shot. I have to imagine the pins and ball wouldve been colored and sealed some how. If it weren't the green wood wou li d surely twist and crack as it dried out.
My wife and I have been watching your food episodes for years. This video was a hoot to watch, we actually laughed when you all whiffed a throw. Very fun, maybe some more videos on `18th century diversions would be great.
In Germany this game named "Kegeln" and was played with 9 pins. If you score all 9 pins it was called "alle Neue"/ all nine.
In many pubs/Gasthäusern in Germany they once had a "Kegelbahn" a special place to play this game.
But now you find more Bowling Centers (played with 10 Pins) all over Germany.
A bit of folklore from NYC and the Hudson River Valley: when thunder was heard, the sound was said to be caused by Henry Hudson and his men bowling ninepins. Some of those matches were really noisy! 😊
The, can't go over rule, is what made this very fun to watch! I actually would be very excited to play this.
I'm not a sports fan, but this had me thoroughly entertained.😀
That being said, I think this is something that would sell quite well on the Townsends website if it were made available. 👍
the price for shipping would be high, wood is heavy
That was far more exciting than I thought it was going to be.
That looked like a lot of fun! I'd be up for a game of Skittles. Another opportunity for a store product. (hint, hint). Thanks, Jon, for this video.
As a bowler, I found this fascinating.
I really hope you guys do cover more 18th century games. This was a joy to watch.
Well done, guys. The scoring constraints make this a MUCH more interesting game than I expected. It would be nice to see a resurgence of this as the "new" favorite backyard and picnic game!
That reminds me so much of the traditional German "Kegeln". Except that nowadays there is a wooden alley leading up to it nowadays. The trick is that the alley "Kegelbahn" is narrow at the start and widens just before the pins so that the corner pins are very difficult to get at. But the alley isn't 100 % flat but polished in a certain way that allows to give the ball a spin, then hit the narrow , ever so slightly elevated corner of the alley, which will make the ball drift towards the opposite corner pin. Very skilled game.
Such fun, Townsends!! It's always fun to see your comradery/competitiveness.
I hope you are feeling well today, Jon.
Skittles is still a common pub game in Somerset, UK. Lots of local teams and many of the pubs and clubs have a skittle alley.
We still play almost exactly this in Herefordshire, England. Along with a game very similar to Kubb and a card game called phat.
I remember playing it at Easter fairs and weddings as a kid. Thinking it was dumb old people stuff. Over 300 years old, guess I was right
It wasn't clear how far back the player stands. Looks fun. Gonna try to make a set. Thanks for making a video about games.
Gameplay in the title is the very last thing I've expected from this channel
It's always a great day when Townsends posts a new video!
So grateful for this man and this channel.
This was super fun! You're inspiring me to make a backyard nine pins set 😁
I hope we get to hear more about different historical games and how to play them!
I’m thinking the same! Do you think he was using greenwood?
Fantastic work Brandon. A skilled craftsman indeed.
This was such a joy to watch you gentlemen having a great time playing this game. The craftsmanship is excellent, I am thrilled to see Branden showing his skills. You may be getting request to make sets. ") In Joy
Such amazing talent you have on this channel! Able to build, craft, cook, and even play! I enjoy Townsend's and I believe I always will. One of very few channels I ever recommend to anyone.
This was a great video, I would love to see more videos on what they did for recreation back in those days.
I love that they thought of the rules more of like challenges for the long term.
Like if you get bored playing with your simple rules, you can up the difficulty.
Very clever!
There were very simple and fun dance "Ninth Pin Quadrille", named and inspired by this game.
So much fun watching that unfold, riveting gameplay
Just a thought about production. These videos are top notch, but like other how to videos, you have to fast forward at times. The problem with this is that the viewer has no appreciation for how long some of these skilled, laborious tasks actually take. How about some sort of mention or maybe a subtitle indicating how long it took to make one of those pins? I love seeing that old lathe in action!
I love to see a historical gaming channel where they slowly play all the games from history.
Haha yes. Kottabos from ancient Greece and Nine Man's Morris would be interesting.
_All_ of them? That'd take some time.
I always wondered if there was something like Stockschießen/Eisstockschießen in the US at that time.
Was watching this in a classroom while sipping on some Jo. Classmate asked me, "What are you watching?" I replied, "Bowling in the 1700's."
They gave a look of curiosity and humor and said, "Very on brand for you."
it's always intrigued me all the different ways you could pass the time and have some fun before the invention and widespread use of electricity. of course there were books and card games, but the ones that intrigue me the most are the more physical games like this one. great stuff!
We used to play a similar game in elementary with a rubber dodge ball and bowling pins. I had no idea it had such a rich history. Thank you for sharing.
Nice gameplay footage, what's your PC specs?
This is just the thing this channel needed to keep things fresh. I would love to see more games explained/played--outdoor games, card games, board games. Keep them coming.
This was so much fun!!! Fantastic, thanks for playing. This would have been rad in 2020, but definitely happy to have it when we go to the park :)
This video is criminally under viewed! Fantastic work!
god, these combo videos where we have Jon/others using something crafted by another gives me the warm fuzzies of early "this old house" LOL
keep it up!
Reminds me of a very similar European game where the wooden ball is on a tether above the pins and you swing it from about 5 ft out. You can only score swinging from behind not directly at the pins. Same layout on the board with wooden pins
I couldn't believe it went from 49 likes to 68 before my eyes and you posted 12 min ago ...it just shows u how good the videos are !
Lots of fun watching you guys play. I really thought Ryan was going to come from behind.
If he could finish the round, he might have gotten a lucky bowl!
When I was a child I volunteered at a local living history site, The Indian King Tavern, and I used to play “table top nine pins” while volunteering.
a series on 18th and early 19th century games sounds like a fun idea to do.
I love this video Townsends! I rarely see the fun games people played in earlier times, and would love to learn more about them!
This was such a fun video. The sports-esque replays are what really sold it.
Our Captain is a wood turner and always brought his homemade bachi set to events. We never had a flat spot and it was always fun.
Great job on the ball and pins. Respect! Great video and great research
Awesome video Townsend Crew!! I really enjoyed it(:
A thorough delight! I was cheering each gentleman on, and really enjoyed watching the three of you explore different strategies. Also, hats off to the wonderful woodworking that made this event possible. Thank you for sharing this charming piece of history, and would certainly enjoy seeing more of such games. Cheers!
I love how WILDLY interesting this channel is. Its REALLY interesting seeing this! This DEFINATELY evolved into bowling, but I wonder if any other games came from this.
This video was so fun :) I like seeing you with the other guys!
Seems like it would be hard to tell when the king pin knocks a pin over vs. just being knocked over by the ball. It happens so fast. No slow-mo or instant replay in the 18th century haha
You get the audience involved as line-observers. 😊
@@HLBear Even then it happened so fast I dunno I could give an accurate assessment. I'm sure there were many points of contention in the 18th century, especially once a few pints had gone down
We call it Kubb here in Sweden, named after the local word for a chopping-block/bit of fire-wood, a kubbe. It is still a popular summertime game.
It was fun watching you three play 9 pins. Thank you.
Hope yall will play more of this in the future. Really enjoyed watching
How fabulous! This is an area that I’ve always felt was a bit neglected in re-enactments. I love this channel and the people on it! Great game!
Fantastic, keep ‘em coming❤
These videos are always such a pleasure.
Fun video and a great means to bring history back. Hope other slice of life games like these can be semi regular in the series.
Great video! I would love to see more 18th century yard or bar games!
18th century games would make a great mini-series.
I really like this new series. I hope you guys keep up with the great content
That was fun! Great video as always
That looks like a lot of fun! I’d definitely want to give it a try.
Honestly, if I ever had kids I would learn wood working. Being able to make yard games, and even giant jenga would be pretty cool.
Wonderful to see something from this era that was just for fun. Pray, continue!
That's probably why the ball was bigger in drawings because the ball weight to skittle weight ratio. I think your ball size is right, maybe get a denser wood for the ball, maybe oak? I'm making a set up after this video. I've always heard of 9-pin, and also always wondered where the term king-pin comes from so it was very entertaining seeing it come to life!!
I loved this video! Especially the point counter 😅😁
This was awesome! Do more period games, please.
Still played in the UK, older pubs in villages will often still have skittles lanes in the back
Looks like fun! Would make a great Christmas gift! 🎄
One of your best. Awesome.
I could totally watch y’all play this for hours. Do a championship tournament with other history UA-camrs. Get Joe Pera back, Max Miller, etc.
You could even serve a historically accurate luncheon to an audience, and have a person to historically “accurate” commentary and stream it live on Twitch
Loved this! The competitive spirit abounded!