What a great pod cast This was a great story and we all need to tell this story again and again We are all so appreciative of Dave Brandt and family , a true slice of what American agriculture should be about
This was great podcast, thank you for sharing! Im just apartment grower who is "farming" :D on two windows, but this was amazing thing to listen to while i was taking care of my plants.
19:29 I think I disagree on the carbon credit front for his idea. It's really important to figure out what you are really doing. So, I agree more with the younger guy. Carbon is so important and we can't have another ethanol corn subsidy disaster. It set the nation behind and there's no way to get rid of it due to political issues and the electoral college. If we were honest, Louisiana, bama, and other southern areas should have got the brunt of the ethanol program. Doing cane sugar bagasse, we'd be doing less beet sugar. And as a nation we'd be in a better place on both sugar, and ethanol. Because what will happen is the carbon credit program will end up being a government or partly gov run program because that's how this system changes work. Also, if we miss it up what will happen is more of the death of the farmer. People who don't farm the actual land and more of the farming the subsidy system. Pushing up prices for land. So, farmers that need to fuction in the system of America won't be fuctioning.
reducing the superficial aesthetic of increased risk when it comes to adopting regenerative farming is a very good way to fast-track the mass adoption of it. If you provide a service, a self-respecting person would expect to be paid for it. Managing land to offset the pollution the rest of society is causing is a service. It's being trialed in other countries, and it's being done in certain localities here, to reasonably good success. If some land gets taken out of full-time production and turned into a "carbon farm" (which is the only real way I can see landlords "farming the subsidy")... so what? We farm far more acres than we need, and it's seriously impacting the other living things on this continent. As far as land prices being affected... as it is, the price of land has had very little to do with it's actual productivity for a very long time (in that way, it's very similar to the housing and labor "markets").
@@wildrangeringreen We've played the " fast-track the mass adoption " remember the organic program. Which had a lot of civil rights and other things that probably would have given us in the long term 1000s of farm hands professional farming community and so much more but most of it was strip out. it became "farm family talk" same people got money / help / re-wrote and dumb down rules. To the point where we have areas of pollution being generated by "organic dairies" flooding the market. putting family organic farms out of the job. "If some land gets taken out of full-time production and turned into a "carbon farm" because taking it out of full time shows a sign that there's a miss understand of what effective farming actually is. And effective ecological ranching is as well. In most cases you want to get no dig operations rolling through it's rotation. As well as planting some things from time to time for cattle or what not. In many cases you can pasture crop and actually plant into perennial pasture systems. And in many cases what happens when land is taken out of production and folks get paid is you got fake conservation. Massive amount of invasive and "dood ranching" Land Gentry style estates larping as part of food production/farming system. Fatting on the money hog they are getting through voting power. IE - again we walk head into ethanol corn.
@@MistressOP I have yet to see any "land gentry style estates" from ethanol grain demand lol. My father, who remembers when those laws were put into effect, didn't see a price increase on grain, since more gran was being produced to fulfil the demand. What did happen, however, was that CRP ground, fencerows, pastures, ect were taken out and turned into corn fields. Another thing that increased was the cost of inputs, because more acres were being planted than were needed for just human and animal consumption. "fake conservation"... I'll have to tell that to the growing animal and plant population in those "fake conservation" lands that they don't really exist. Every acre does not have to be intensively managed for human benefit all of the time. The idea that it does simply boils down to the "unconscious" bias that humans are separate from the rest of the world. If someone is content to make a very small income (not likely even a profit, considering property taxes and land payments) by letting some ground not be in production, that's on them. The way you'll be profitable is to use the land in a way that builds it up (accumulating carbon... hence the carbon credits) AND generates food, fiber, and fuel. Organics were never put out there as a "fast track"... it was always marketed as "exclusive". Carbon credits for farmers is no different than the CRP program, cover crop grant program, etc. that are already out there, making a difference. The entire situation agriculture, and the world at large is in right now boils down to no one wanting to foot the bill for responsibly managing the ecosystems, and farmers finally "wising up" to that (very short sighted, but that's the reality we face today).
Rest in peace, Dave.
Thank you for all you have shared with us all. Your methods will live on !
RIP Mr Brandt.
I owe Dave a lot. You have taught me so much over the years. Keep going.
Now he's gone 😢
It ain’t much, but it’s honest work
RIP legend
Keep spreading this information.. Restore the land
What a great pod cast
This was a great story and we all need to tell this story again and again
We are all so appreciative of Dave Brandt and family , a true slice of what American agriculture should be about
Yep cover crops & crop rotation is the way to go for big farmers and mulching if you're gardening around the house.
Yes Dave, thank you so much, regenerative AG is a great story! Thanks Mitch.
Rest in piece
This was great podcast, thank you for sharing! Im just apartment grower who is "farming" :D on two windows, but this was amazing thing to listen to while i was taking care of my plants.
Love this. Alternative thinkers over us forward!
rip king
Rest in peace
Interesting, he says he’s almost 79 here but all his obituaries say he was 76.
19:29 I think I disagree on the carbon credit front for his idea. It's really important to figure out what you are really doing. So, I agree more with the younger guy. Carbon is so important and we can't have another ethanol corn subsidy disaster. It set the nation behind and there's no way to get rid of it due to political issues and the electoral college. If we were honest, Louisiana, bama, and other southern areas should have got the brunt of the ethanol program. Doing cane sugar bagasse, we'd be doing less beet sugar. And as a nation we'd be in a better place on both sugar, and ethanol. Because what will happen is the carbon credit program will end up being a government or partly gov run program because that's how this system changes work.
Also, if we miss it up what will happen is more of the death of the farmer. People who don't farm the actual land and more of the farming the subsidy system. Pushing up prices for land. So, farmers that need to fuction in the system of America won't be fuctioning.
reducing the superficial aesthetic of increased risk when it comes to adopting regenerative farming is a very good way to fast-track the mass adoption of it. If you provide a service, a self-respecting person would expect to be paid for it. Managing land to offset the pollution the rest of society is causing is a service. It's being trialed in other countries, and it's being done in certain localities here, to reasonably good success.
If some land gets taken out of full-time production and turned into a "carbon farm" (which is the only real way I can see landlords "farming the subsidy")... so what? We farm far more acres than we need, and it's seriously impacting the other living things on this continent. As far as land prices being affected... as it is, the price of land has had very little to do with it's actual productivity for a very long time (in that way, it's very similar to the housing and labor "markets").
@@wildrangeringreen We've played the " fast-track the mass adoption " remember the organic program. Which had a lot of civil rights and other things that probably would have given us in the long term 1000s of farm hands professional farming community and so much more but most of it was strip out. it became "farm family talk" same people got money / help / re-wrote and dumb down rules. To the point where we have areas of pollution being generated by "organic dairies" flooding the market. putting family organic farms out of the job.
"If some land gets taken out of full-time production and turned into a "carbon farm" because taking it out of full time shows a sign that there's a miss understand of what effective farming actually is. And effective ecological ranching is as well. In most cases you want to get no dig operations rolling through it's rotation. As well as planting some things from time to time for cattle or what not. In many cases you can pasture crop and actually plant into perennial pasture systems. And in many cases what happens when land is taken out of production and folks get paid is you got fake conservation. Massive amount of invasive and "dood ranching" Land Gentry style estates larping as part of food production/farming system. Fatting on the money hog they are getting through voting power. IE - again we walk head into ethanol corn.
@@MistressOP I have yet to see any "land gentry style estates" from ethanol grain demand lol. My father, who remembers when those laws were put into effect, didn't see a price increase on grain, since more gran was being produced to fulfil the demand. What did happen, however, was that CRP ground, fencerows, pastures, ect were taken out and turned into corn fields. Another thing that increased was the cost of inputs, because more acres were being planted than were needed for just human and animal consumption.
"fake conservation"... I'll have to tell that to the growing animal and plant population in those "fake conservation" lands that they don't really exist.
Every acre does not have to be intensively managed for human benefit all of the time. The idea that it does simply boils down to the "unconscious" bias that humans are separate from the rest of the world. If someone is content to make a very small income (not likely even a profit, considering property taxes and land payments) by letting some ground not be in production, that's on them. The way you'll be profitable is to use the land in a way that builds it up (accumulating carbon... hence the carbon credits) AND generates food, fiber, and fuel.
Organics were never put out there as a "fast track"... it was always marketed as "exclusive".
Carbon credits for farmers is no different than the CRP program, cover crop grant program, etc. that are already out there, making a difference. The entire situation agriculture, and the world at large is in right now boils down to no one wanting to foot the bill for responsibly managing the ecosystems, and farmers finally "wising up" to that (very short sighted, but that's the reality we face today).
Rest in peace