It make an enormous difference when the conductor has memorized and interalized the score. In Venezuela the conductors are trained to memorize the score. 'That will always give any conductor an edge on the piece plus the respect of the musicians.
Not to mention how important the conductor's interpretation of the piece is, and the level of understanding required to even begin to interpret something as complicated as a 20th century symphony. What more, Rattle remembers the score for every work I've ever seen him conduct! Incredible.
The 10th symphony was released just after Stalin's death. To me this signifies the real conundrum of the country, being relieved of the dictator, yet fearing the future without Stalin in charge. I can hear this in the symphony itself, the hesitation, the impulsive, manic drive, sheer horror at the end. The ending to me means the roof is coming off, literally, maybe the system would fall, maybe even worse things would happen.
Moraine LAKE It's so cool, the last 4 notes in this video are d, e-flat, c and b, or on german d, es, c and h: d for Dmitri, and (e)s c h for Schostakowitsch, the german transliteration of his name. At the end of this symphony those notes come again and again, the absolut triumph: Stalin is dead!
My god! I'm in awe. This is so sensational I can barely breath. You are one of the greatest orchestra's in the world. I'm so privileged to be able to watch you on line. What an inspiration you are. Thankyou = )
Sir Simon Rattle is the best - his renditions of such great works (as with Shostakovich's 10th symphony) are superb. What's even better is how he is able to traverse many different schools of composition of the past century - from this, to Stockhausen's "Gruppen", to Messiaen's "Éclairs sur l'au-Delà..." - and interpret them all exceedingly well. Quite possibly the finest conductor of this century, and of course the Berliner Philharmoniker is magnificent as well. Bravo Rattle and Berlin!
I believe that one day Shostakovich will be the greatest of all Russian composers. He certainly was prolific. He without doubt was the most outstanding composer or the 20th Century. I like the youthful exuberance of the Simon Bolivar Youth Orchestra. Simon Rattle is the best!
@AWiddit Yes! - however, these are not his Russian initials. It is D, E flat, C, B natural, or in German musical notation D, Es, C, H (pronounced as "De-Es-Ce-Ha"), thus standing for the composer's initials in German transliteration: D. Sch.
Die grosse Stärke der Musik von Dimitri S. ist die Ehrlichkeit.Sie vermittelt das Gefühl,daß er nicht anders konnte als sie zu komponieren...... Su gran sinceridad:ese es el rasgo tan atractivo de la música de Dimitri S.
It's available on the Digital Concert Hall, a service by Berliner Philharmoniker which has an archive of almost all of their live recordings since Karajan, Documentaries and Interviews. It's around $15 per month and I strongly recommend it! :) If you download the app I think you also get a month free
happywandy457, when you watch conductors gestures, you´ll find out that great conductors mostly tend to save them as much as possible: This gives confidence to interpreters and permits more body language and mimics to guide all kind of details of the work performed. This piece is an example of great performind. Hans Fröhlich-Germany
It's very true that this ensemble does not need a conductor to keep time. They do need one, however, to guide them through the piece, make sure it is shaped correctly and balanced well and to lead the more complicated points, eg when the tempo is changing or fluctuating. Conductors are like icebergs in that a lot of their work is unseen, done in rehearsals. They have to unite 100 odd musicians, each of whom has their own idea about how the piece should sound! Hope this helps.
great interpretation. The knowledge that more speed doesn't always create more intensity. While dudamel is good his talent is overshadowed by rattle's pure knowledge not even counting his talent.
Hah, that helps perfectly! I should have known since I have been in 'band' for 8 or years- I guess I just had a brain fart( quite a bad one at that). Thanks!
@RedSoxWSAgain Is that because Dudamel is exactly half Rattles age? Rattle has been quoted as saying that Dudamel is the most amazing musician that Rattle has ever met. Quite a compliment. Dudamel is a gift from Venezuela to the world. Refined and polished latin talent. Gustavo Dudamel is very lucky to not have been born in Los Angeles where he might have ended up in jail, like many poor latinos. Very lucky to have been born a Venezuelan.
Then pay! It's totally worth it. I bought my one-month ticket to their Digital Concert Hall and has be virtually doing nothing else besides sleeping and eating in the past week. They suck you in and you just cannot help but to pay for more.
You should do a cycle. Invite different conductors for each of the 15 symphonies. And give Petrenko the difficult ones (2&3), so that he can make something out of them.
@@thomasbirkhahn9616 So he picked the easiest one. The one that BPO has performed since the days of Karajan. I really had hoped he'd be more daring in the picking. ;)
@@Quotenwagnerianer Easiest? I hardly think that comes into his thinking. And apart from No. 2 and 3 the BPO have performed all other Shostakovich symphonies.
@orovalleydude I have no offence taken, but I should have made my comment clearer. I actually admire conductors like this, as they can let let them run loose and "conserve energy", only making necessary cues when needed. This is one of the reasons I admire conductors like Rattle, Barenboim, and Bernstien that seem to let the orchestra do the work. I still admire the conducting style of, lets say, Michael Tilson Thomas and Haitnik, but I find their style a bit redundant.
@ryantortallini Completely agree with you. The Teresa Carreno Youth Orchestra means it when it does it. I also like their interpretation of Shostakovich 12th Symphony, 1917. I think it is better than the Leningrad Philharmonic version. Just my opinion, but what do I know. Hear for yourself.
@@thomasbirkhahn9616 BACH -> DSCH (D-C-H-S / D-C-B-E♭) From wiki: The 10th Symphony is automatically linked to many of Shostakovich’s other works such as the Cello Concerto No. 1 (1959) and notably the String Quartet No. 8 (1960) because of the use of the DSCH-motif. The DSCH-motif is anticipated throughout the first movement of the 10th Symphony: In the 7th bar of the start of the symphony the violins doubled by the violas play a D for 5 bars which is then directly followed by an E♭; 9 bars before rehearsal mark 29 the violins play the motif in an inverted order D-C-H-S (or D-C-B-E♭). The first time the motif is heard in its correct order in the whole symphony is in the 3rd movement, right after a short canon on the beginning melody starting from the 3rd beat of the 5th bar after rehearsal mark 104 (Fig. 11) where it is played in unison by the piccolo, the 1st flute and the 1st oboe (compassing a range of three octaves).
@TheKevinV08 Please forgive what may seem like an impertinent or impolite remark, but I have see Barenboim do the same thing with both the CSO and the BPO, Rattle lets them loose because they know what they are doing and he trusts them. Turn the great orchestras loose!! Watch Barenboim and the CSO do the Tchaik 4th finale, you'll see the same thing!!
@@lemidi Yes, and I always loved watching him, he is so passionate and his solo's were always moving, an exceptional musician, would love to meet him and thank him for his devotion and his selfless talent given to many concert goers like me.😙
I am confused as to what the purpose of the conductor is, in a group of such a calibre. It seems as if most of the players are intent on their music, and it does not appear that he is doing much as far as making sure they keep a consistent tempo.
@atomicmrpelly Wrong, wrong, wrong! The ensemble needs a conductor to makes sure that they keep the *same* time - everything else is up to the MUSICIANS. . . . no one ever hears a conductor!
Shostakovich and Berlin just don't mix too well, regardless of the conductor. I think it is a culture thing, a missing gene, hard to say. Nice job though...
It make an enormous difference when the conductor has memorized and interalized the score. In Venezuela the conductors are trained to memorize the score. 'That will always give any conductor an edge on the piece plus the respect of the musicians.
Not to mention how important the conductor's interpretation of the piece is, and the level of understanding required to even begin to interpret something as complicated as a 20th century symphony. What more, Rattle remembers the score for every work I've ever seen him conduct! Incredible.
Karajan's soul is in this orchestra.
The 10th symphony was released just after Stalin's death. To me this signifies the real conundrum of the country, being relieved of the dictator, yet fearing the future without Stalin in charge. I can hear this in the symphony itself, the hesitation, the impulsive, manic drive, sheer horror at the end. The ending to me means the roof is coming off, literally, maybe the system would fall, maybe even worse things would happen.
Moraine LAKE It's so cool, the last 4 notes in this video are d, e-flat, c and b, or on german d, es, c and h: d for Dmitri, and (e)s c h for Schostakowitsch, the german transliteration of his name. At the end of this symphony those notes come again and again, the absolut triumph: Stalin is dead!
And at the end he uses the Timpani to "sign" his composition using his DSCH motif.
Timpani: Re Mi Do Si, Re Mi Do Si,ReMiDoSi ReMiDoSi ReMiDoSi etc.
Rattle+Berlin Philharmonics=Best orchestra of the World
Correct :)
I love that he conducts this difficult music from memory.
How Sir Simon memorizes all these scores I'll never know. This has truly been a perfect marriage of conductor and orchestra.
I think the orchestra would play more or less the same - if he is waving with his hands or not :)
in the concert yes, but only because the main work of a conductor is done in the rehearsals.
My god! I'm in awe. This is so sensational I can barely breath. You are one of the greatest orchestra's in the world. I'm so privileged to be able to watch you on line. What an inspiration you are. Thankyou = )
Simon Rattle does Shostakovich justice; never heard any better. And then it's the Berliner Philharmonic, so you expect the best.
Sir Simon Rattle is the best - his renditions of such great works (as with Shostakovich's 10th symphony) are superb. What's even better is how he is able to traverse many different schools of composition of the past century - from this, to Stockhausen's "Gruppen", to Messiaen's "Éclairs sur l'au-Delà..." - and interpret them all exceedingly well. Quite possibly the finest conductor of this century, and of course the Berliner Philharmoniker is magnificent as well. Bravo Rattle and Berlin!
J'adore cette Symphonie de Shostakovich avec la Berliner Philharmoniker
This piece is mad! Beautiful performance.
I believe that one day Shostakovich will be the greatest of all Russian composers. He certainly was prolific. He without doubt was the most outstanding composer or the 20th Century. I like the youthful exuberance of the Simon Bolivar Youth Orchestra. Simon Rattle is the best!
i just played for Simon Rattle about an hour ago :P Did Bruckner 9. Amazing musician, not much else to say!
FABULOUS, #1 ORCHESTRA IN THE WORLD, THAT WAS RIVETING, BRAVO BFO BRAVO.😙😋😙😋😘
鬼気迫る緊迫感のある演奏。鳥肌たった。
この不気味で殺伐とした空気は、まさに、身近で戦闘が起きてることを体感してるからこそ、作曲し得たのかも知れないですねぇ....恐い。。
@AWiddit Yes! - however, these are not his Russian initials. It is D, E flat, C, B natural, or in German musical notation D, Es, C, H (pronounced as "De-Es-Ce-Ha"), thus standing for the composer's initials in German transliteration: D. Sch.
Perfection
i always liked shostakovich because has nice dark movements at the end
Damn, it had to end so early. You have no idea how much I was awaiting that epic bassoon solo!
Absolutely thrilling!
Impressive performance...In the new high definition is fantastic...
DSCH triumphiert über & um das sogenannte Stalinthema herum :-D Hach, großartig!
Die grosse Stärke der Musik von Dimitri S. ist die Ehrlichkeit.Sie vermittelt das Gefühl,daß er nicht anders konnte als sie zu komponieren......
Su gran sinceridad:ese es el rasgo tan atractivo de la música de Dimitri S.
The clarinet part is crazy!!!!!
O.O'' That is just amazing. So cool, really want to play it sometime :L XD
Perfect Shostakovich sound !
impecable. BRAVOOO
Ich betrachte Herrn Shostakovich ale den groessten Dichter unserer Zeit.
Frickin epic!
Lol, the lady at 2:56 behind the tam-tam player:
"Oh God, what's he going to do now?"
*BWONG*
MARAVILLOSOS!!!!!
Please release this concert's CD!! I was impressed!!
It's available on the Digital Concert Hall, a service by Berliner Philharmoniker which has an archive of almost all of their live recordings since Karajan, Documentaries and Interviews. It's around $15 per month and I strongly recommend it! :) If you download the app I think you also get a month free
@eamflutes His name is Christopher Corbett; he plays Solo clarinet in the Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra.
This is quite possibly the best rendition of this piece I've seen - many thanks for posting this!
großartig
@carlnielsen1 OH Thanks so much!!!! I literally spent hours trying to find out who he was. Thanks! :D
happywandy457,
when you watch conductors gestures, you´ll find out that great conductors mostly tend to save them as much as possible: This gives confidence to interpreters and permits more body language and mimics to guide all kind of details of the work performed. This piece is an example of great performind.
Hans Fröhlich-Germany
Un regalo para el espiritu.................
2:17 Best Oboe synchronized dance.
Yes, he was good at the lower strings - now that you mentioned it!
It is the last one, "Andante - Allegro".
Music will save the world.
It's very true that this ensemble does not need a conductor to keep time. They do need one, however, to guide them through the piece, make sure it is shaped correctly and balanced well and to lead the more complicated points, eg when the tempo is changing or fluctuating.
Conductors are like icebergs in that a lot of their work is unseen, done in rehearsals. They have to unite 100 odd musicians, each of whom has their own idea about how the piece should sound!
Hope this helps.
rattle un Sr director frente a una gran cámara filarmónica
🎼🎶🎵👱🏾♀️👸
grosos éstos tipos! vamo' el shosta!
Art
Shostakovich !!!!
Has the Berliner Philharmoniker done any recent performances of Shostakovich's 7th Symphony? That I would love to hear.
great interpretation. The knowledge that more speed doesn't always create more intensity. While dudamel is good his talent is overshadowed by rattle's pure knowledge not even counting his talent.
Min mening ,med Sir Rattle er Berlin Filharmonic på sitt aller beste siden Mester Karajan.
Brynjar Hoff
Hah, that helps perfectly! I should have known since I have been in 'band' for 8 or years- I guess I just had a brain fart( quite a bad one at that).
Thanks!
in the last years shostakovich has becoming more and more important, more and more played, or not?
@RedSoxWSAgain Is that because Dudamel is exactly half Rattles age? Rattle has been quoted as saying that Dudamel is the most amazing musician that Rattle has ever met. Quite a compliment. Dudamel is a gift from Venezuela to the world. Refined and polished latin talent. Gustavo Dudamel is very lucky to not have been born in Los Angeles where he might have ended up in jail, like many poor latinos. Very lucky to have been born a Venezuelan.
I was trying to watch out for it, and noticed that at 2:26, the woman in white is picking her nose :D :D :D
Who is the playing principal clarinet?? With the crystal mouth piece? I am determined to find out who he is... He's AMAZING!
Then pay! It's totally worth it. I bought my one-month ticket to their Digital Concert Hall and has be virtually doing nothing else besides sleeping and eating in the past week. They suck you in and you just cannot help but to pay for more.
brutal
Not really. The last performance was in 2003.
You should do a cycle. Invite different conductors for each of the 15 symphonies. And give Petrenko the difficult ones (2&3), so that he can make something out of them.
@@Quotenwagnerianer I'm going to hear Petrenko and the Berlin Phil with this piece in to weeks time. Can't wait for it!!!!
@@thomasbirkhahn9616 So he picked the easiest one. The one that BPO has performed since the days of Karajan.
I really had hoped he'd be more daring in the picking. ;)
@@Quotenwagnerianer Easiest? I hardly think that comes into his thinking. And apart from No. 2 and 3 the BPO have performed all other Shostakovich symphonies.
Fantástica versión y orquesta, aún así, es mejor en vivo. Estuve ese día en la sala!!
Rattle was at the Met matinée yesterday.
2:39 EPIC!!
lol contrabassoon player at 2:15 very crazy ^^
@orovalleydude I have no offence taken, but I should have made my comment clearer. I actually admire conductors like this, as they can let let them run loose and "conserve energy", only making necessary cues when needed. This is one of the reasons I admire conductors like Rattle, Barenboim, and Bernstien that seem to let the orchestra do the work. I still admire the conducting style of, lets say, Michael Tilson Thomas and Haitnik, but I find their style a bit redundant.
@ryantortallini
Completely agree with you. The Teresa Carreno Youth Orchestra means it when it does it. I also like their interpretation of Shostakovich 12th Symphony, 1917. I think it is better than the Leningrad Philharmonic version. Just my opinion, but what do I know. Hear for yourself.
@IOLTA So you're telling me that a conductors job is purely metronomic.... Underneath a video of Sir Simon Rattle?
So muss ein Komponist aussehen. Und das Lied erinnert mich irgendwie an die Disney Filme :-)
WOW, AN INCEDIBLE INTERPRETAION!!!
Flute section rules!!!!!
I would disagree, Shostakovitch definitely loved the lower strings :D
Most of it anyway, when I saw them do Turangalila at the proms Rattle had to cue the vibes player when he got lost!
It also happens to be an inversion of the B-A-C-H motif!
How so?
@@thomasbirkhahn9616 BACH -> DSCH (D-C-H-S / D-C-B-E♭)
From wiki:
The 10th Symphony is automatically linked to many of Shostakovich’s other works such as the Cello Concerto No. 1 (1959) and notably the String Quartet No. 8 (1960) because of the use of the DSCH-motif. The DSCH-motif is anticipated throughout the first movement of the 10th Symphony: In the 7th bar of the start of the symphony the violins doubled by the violas play a D for 5 bars which is then directly followed by an E♭; 9 bars before rehearsal mark 29 the violins play the motif in an inverted order D-C-H-S (or D-C-B-E♭). The first time the motif is heard in its correct order in the whole symphony is in the 3rd movement, right after a short canon on the beginning melody starting from the 3rd beat of the 5th bar after rehearsal mark 104 (Fig. 11) where it is played in unison by the piccolo, the 1st flute and the 1st oboe (compassing a range of three octaves).
@@jsteuernol Yes, but that's not really an inversion, is it?
@@thomasbirkhahn9616 it's retrograde inversion
Not quite. Yueh was commenting that the intensity and seemingly "unrefined" manner in which Shostakovich composed, is almost frightening.
Much better than Karajan's 2nd recording.
i felt that the sound quality of this video is a little bit poorer than other berlin phil videos
@TheKevinV08 Please forgive what may seem like an impertinent or impolite remark, but I have see Barenboim do the same thing with both the CSO and the BPO, Rattle lets them loose because they know what they are doing and he trusts them. Turn the great orchestras loose!! Watch Barenboim and the CSO do the Tchaik 4th finale, you'll see the same thing!!
Can these performances be bought as mp3 files from Itunes or somewhere?
Oi! Does a cellist come in early right at the beginning?
Does anyone know who the 1st clarinet is? Is he Mr. Manz?
on purpose, just like bach composed his last name B flat - A - C - B natural (in german: B A C H
who was the second trombone player in this performance?
Who's the principal violist in the video??????
That's Neithard Resa, member of the Berliner Philharmoniker since 1978.
Berliner Philharmoniker what about braunstein? wasn´t he the concertino?
julian bartoli
The concertmaster is Daniel Stabrawa (Braunstein doesnt play in this video). As correcly said Neithard Resa is the principal violist.
@@lemidi Yes, and I always loved watching him, he is so passionate and his solo's were always moving, an exceptional musician, would love to meet him and thank him for his devotion and his selfless talent given to many concert goers like me.😙
Moin
I am confused as to what the purpose of the conductor is, in a group of such a calibre. It seems as if most of the players are intent on their music, and it does not appear that he is doing much as far as making sure they keep a consistent tempo.
Which movement is this ?
It's the fourth movement
Es el cuarto movimiento
2:11
Which mvt is this?
4th
so was that out of coincidence or did Shostakovich did that purposely?
do what
@atomicmrpelly Wrong, wrong, wrong! The ensemble needs a conductor to makes sure that they keep the *same* time - everything else is up to the MUSICIANS.
. . . no one ever hears a conductor!
Copy and paste: "Incredible high school musicians from Venezuela! Led by Gustavo Dudamel"
@IOLTA
You must be joking.. Do you really think that makes sense?
Shostakovich and Berlin just don't mix too well, regardless of the conductor. I think it is a culture thing, a missing gene, hard to say.
Nice job though...
@atomicmrpelly
音樂「粗暴」而直接，很嚇人！
4th
Why doesn't Rattle really conduct the orchestra...
How about not printing comments that has to revert to use of the "F bomb"! Their comments severely detract from whatever is being played!
Conductors are like icebergs - hit them and you sink.
@saxcock Its political, think USSR.