Tesla Cybertruck Has HUGE Issues | This Isn’t Good
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- The Cybertruck is great, but facing some launch issues. We break them down, shy some matter, and why some may not matter too much.
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Remove road salt immediately? This is literally every time you drive the truck in many parts of the USA for four months of the year. For those owners without a heated garage and a butler, this might be unrealistic.
"Unrealistic?" Actually, it's preposterous!
If you love your truck you keep it clean and do a daily spot detailing. Hell why even get into such issues and drive outside in the first place. This was clearly built for the smartest drivers.
@@parsonk4041lol I thought you were serious for 2 seconds 😆
@@matthemberry2156 hey i mean, If you don't have a cleaning crew following you 24/7 to take care of any minor dirt particles that could literally destroy your car. That's really on you.
@@parsonk4041Ah this guy! I'm going to have to watch out for you! 😂😂
It's perfectly okay to want a CT just because of the cool factor. But please stop trying to gaslight us into believing it's a proper truck.
Very possibly one of the ugliest vehicles ever produced also. This truck is "The Emperor's New Clothes" in a nutshell.
Actually it’s a superior truck, doesn’t really matter whether you think so or not. Over time it will be abundantly obvious as CT’s just keep running, and “proper trucks” keep rusting and getting replaced. And wait til you see what happens to Lightning’s aluminum over time.
@@johncahill3644 Over time it will be abundantly obvious if you own one you will be mocked for the smooth patch that remains where your testicles once were. Whether you think so or not [sic]
@@ge2623 Hilarious, for sure, but that stung like amputation for a paper cut! 😶🤣
Thank you for calling the spade ♠️ a spade ♠️
186 miles for a full charge is crazy yall trippin for pay 100k+ is crazy
Right!? 😂😂😂😂 so dumb
You're missing the point: Owning these is all about the cost. "Look at ME, I have money"
Most people don't drive much more than 100 miles a day. To and from work.
@@neverknow69 who are you talking about that’s just some marketing bs
@@neverknow69That's true, but nobody only drives to work and back. Occasionally, they'd take trips for vacation or frivolous activities.
I live in the Northeast. For one to two months a year, not having road salt on a vehicle is almost impossible. You would need to wash it after every drive in potentially below freezing temperatures.
Good luck getting your doors open in the morning
Stainless steel can discolor when exposed to salt water, but usually you can rub out the stain with white vinegar and a cloth. Since the Cybertruck uses a custom alloy, we will have to see how it behaves, but it bet that Tesla added molybdenum to its alloy to get good corrosion resistance.
@@amosbatto3051 Owners are complaining of rust on surfaces after rainy weather.
@@amosbatto3051since Tesla never gave any details about what alloy it's supposed to be, I feel entitled to think that they're simply using normal stainless steel.
Sounds like a real CT enthusiast's dream to me. And with every wash you introduce more micro scratches that will make the likelihood of even more corrosion possible.
Having to rely on cameras and a touch screen that can break or run into issues at any given time instead of having a rear-view mirror that works at all times is pretty awful.
Anybody involved in a wreck with Telsa vehicles should get a proper lawyer to challenge their safety. Goes for any vehicle that relies only on electronics for basic safety and has distracting screens installed instead of gauges. I made a good living fixing broken electronics over the years. Somebody got a video of some goof wearing those new Apple VR things while driving their Tesla on autopilot. Geez...
You don't have to rely on cameras all the time, you don't have to keep the cover down all the time while you're driving, it still has a rear view mirror, I drove an 18 wheeler for 10+ years and it doesn't have a rear view mirror, you rely on the side view mirrors. 💯
If you believe anything promised by Tesla, I feel sorry for you.
"We can also see the driver does not have any snow chains" I don't know, but I live in snowy Canada and I don't ever recall seeing a vehicle with snow chains.
Ayup, I live in Maine and don't own a set of chains. Calling that entrance to a parking lot off road was a bit much too.
Yup! People who have no experience driving in snow tend to think chains are the magic solution. 😂
@@KeithStarr they sure do. I haven't had chains since the 70s. That said, I now never drive on snowy roads. I put the plow on my truck down so I am driving on a freshly plowed road 😆
EV owners would only buy snow chains if they were $8,000 a set anyway.
@@ge2623 Or maybe made from titanium.
I saw one driving at night and the headlights kept flickering on/off every time it hit a bump 😬
I’m telling you what though, I live in 36-43 degree heat most months and it literally cuts the range by two thirds. Hot weather also terrible for range
what are you talking about? no amount of weather cuts the battery by 2/3rds my daily driver is a Tesla model 3 and live in MN so you can not fool me. at no time have I even lost more than 1/4 range
That's a number you pulled out of your large intestine.
Why lie like that
Both my model Y’s in hot weather get no more than 230km per charge.
There's a problem with the expected 103 miles of range from the Jerryrigeverything video..
If the CT went 90 miles and had 2% remaining then the 100% range = 90/98*100 which equals 91.8 miles on a full charge.
i heard that too and was like 🤔
Ah but with the fuel depleted it will be lighter so the range per kWh will increase! Perhaps not........well it will be lighter by Einstein's E=mc^2, which works out as a fraction of a gram lighter.
@@marquisdemoo1792 Not at all. When you charge a battery ion move from one place to another nothing goes "into" or "out of" a battery when its charged.
@@JeanPierreWhite Actually, no there is a very, very small weight reduction due to E=Mc^2. Look it up. You have taken energy out of the battery and energy is equivalent to mass.
"Mass is not conserved in chemical reactions. The fundamental conservation law is the conservation of mass+energy. This means that the total mass plus energy before a reaction equals the total mass plus energy after the reaction. According to Einstein's famous equation, E = mc^2"
@@marquisdemoo1792 nope. Lithium ions move from one side to another in the battery. The "energy in" is simply to move the ions. No addition of energy in the battery, the chemistry is simply modified.
I drive my Y long range in northern California for over three years. My average consumption on freeway, that’s how I drive mostly putting 15,000 miles a year, is 350 W per mile.
A admit that I do drive at maximum speed of 82 mph .
Hey, this number is to consideration I get a maximum of 160 miles on a charge. You can expect the same from Cybertrack
Also, you will be twice for the electricity …..
Conclusion - this vehicle is made for a show off ……
I can't help but think that people interested in this vehicle would feel a little ripped off knowing that the range is less than promised and the price has shot up considerably. Perhaps it's time for Tesla and it's CEO to start being a bit more accurate with what they tell the public about their vehicles.
Agreed but that is Elon's MO, promise lots deliver less or nothing and move on with new or old promises again. When will people learn?
This is Elon Musk what did you expect?
Being more accurate about their vehicles would honestly ruin them, that's simply not possible.. I mean, how long is Tesla Semi promissed? What about those robo-taxis? And how about those solar roof tiles that were completly imaginary? No way, Elon's wealth IS this cloud of bullcrap, tiniest drop of honesty would collapse that stuff.
I live in the Chicago Suburbs have a front wheel drive Hatch Back I never use tire chains & we get deep snow.
That's not an excuse for AWD vehicle.
AWD is not 4x4
For the snow video, it’s pretty simple, they definitely didn’t have winter tires on there. As someone that lives in Canada I can’t believe more people don’t know about this.
They probably didn't budget for snow tires. Also, would snow tires be.good on a CT with extremely rapid acceleration?
@@ricknash3055does the truck have a software option to alter performance with snow chains or tires on? Probably not. After all, Tesla is only one of the biggest companies on earth.
@@brentsalem3366It does.
Excuses excuses.
@@ricknash3055so the excuse is that the guy who spent $100k on a "truck" was too poor to buy snow tires? The amount of explaining away how unreliable Teslas are is wild. "The doors come discolored on this $100k truck." "Oh, don't worry, you can fix it by scrubbing it down with Bar Keepers Friend a couple times a week."
Cold weather is -50 in Edmonton Canada, my friend. This brick is completely useless there.
*7:00** Off-roading? He's in a GODDAM FRONT YARD!!!*
LOL these are not actual truck people...
Range deficiency is tied to the energy density they thought the 4680 would have by now. It isn’t even close to what they projected back then.
Use 2 cell layers as planned and there is no issue.
@@danharold3087 Shut. Up.
Nothing Elon projects is ever close. He's a con man and will be next Elizabeth Holmes or Sam Bankman-fried.
Moving around heavy stainless probably doesn't help either.
A big disappointment to me, is the bed is not waterproof with the bed cover closed. I heard. Maybe that will change, or maybe there will be some aftermarket product that will change that.
Yeah an after market product that will cost another cupola grand for something that should have been standard
Sounds like Tesla put all their effort into hype generating features like making the bed cover strong enough to jump on (who will ever do that in the real world) rather than practical features like waterproofing the darn thing.
Ah what a first world tragedy
A non waterproof tonneau cover
Fixable at service 😂 I took 2023 MY to service for bumper alignment and have been told that making bumper aligned with trunk will cause other parts to go out of alignment.
Right? I mean, what are they suppose to do with metal that rigid? Weld it together? Real fix would be if that original idea came from somebody who understands anything, unlike mr. Musk.
@@UsmevavyPanacekmr. “I know more about manufacturing than anybody else on the planet” Musk
This range issue really comes down to the lackluster specs of Tesla's in-house 4680 cell. Hopefully this will improve in the coming years.
Use 2 cell layers as planned and there is no issue. If you want that get a GM WT4.
i dont think its lackluster at all ,yes there are issues but its practically the same as the 2170 tech in range , charging is a bit slower but that might be due to it being new tech and tesla is being gentle on it to start with and as they gather more data on its real world reliability and they optimise the charging for these 4680s
@@brettmciver432 The 4680 is coming in at about 10-15% less energy dense than the 2170
4:01 won't the additional battery also reduce the total weight you can tow?
So long as the GVW including the hitch weight is not exceeded you should be good.
Absolutely
It will reduce the weight you can put in the bed but won't affect the tow rating.
It could actually increase the rating, since a vehicle’s tow rating generally increases with the increasing weight of the tow vehicle. I doubt that the tow rating was based on a power limitation.
@@daveriley6310 You aren't thinking about breaking
Thanks for calling these out. Range and pricing are the biggest over-promise and under-deliver issues for me. Sad. I usually wait 6 mo before ordering newly launched Teslas as they solve many of their bugs. Otherwise, I’ve loved everyone of them I’ve owned (4 now).
When the first accidents with CT have a sweet outcome, there will be a lot of criticism of CT as it is a pure killer in traffic both for drivers and passengers, but especially for oncoming and vulnerable road users such as children and bicycles.
But you'll receive a Darwin Award for free with each purchase.
The off-road tires like many purpose built off road vehicles are not designed for good snow traction. The tread is designed to expel mud, and expelling snow leads to poor snow traction.
Also purpose-built for the Cybertruck so likely less deep of a tread to keep range relatively respectable.
No it doesn't..
That's a false statement.
K02 do amazing in snow. Problem is cybertruck has garbage efficient tires on it. Which makes it even funnier than it gets so bad of range.
I wouldn't call that an off road tire. It's more like an all season tread pattern. An off road tire is more like a mud terrain. As far as saying "expelling snow leads to poor snow traction" is not only false, but it does not make any sense. You want to expel the snow to clear the tread pattern for more traction. Basically, what you're saying is that a slick would have more traction than an aggressive tread pattern, which is completely false and counter intuitive.
When the 4680 batteries haven't delivered on the promises, they should release the truck with smaller wheels and road tires first instead of large AT tires. The range does not look good for publicity
It seems like they could have figured out how to make the range extender so the customer take it off and put it back on as needed. Yes, it is heavy but lots of people add and remove campers and that is very handy.
True but since the weight is not insignificant I doubt their lawyers would allow something like that
@@caffeinatedfunctionality Not to mention 800 volts. Between the weight, the voltage and the thermal system there ain't no way in hell this thing will be user serviceable.
Errr… no. As the range extender is apparently going to be 50kWh (which is about the same as a model 3 battery - 57.5kWh), it is likely to weigh roughly 1,000lb or 500kg (it’s 1,060lb or 480kg for a model 3 battery).
I don’t care how buff you and your mates are, you are going to have a very, very hard time moving that without a forklift or something!
Not to mention, as others have already pointed out, it’s 800V capable of pumping out thousands of amps so there is a very real chance of frying yourself if you don’t know what you are doing.
Yes, it would take some engineering to figure out how to do it but it just seems Tesla took the easy way out. You don’t need a forklift to unload your camper, in fact it’s pretty easy
When it comes to the warning about bird droppings or road salt.. no matter what car..they are all the same. I owned 7 cars and the owner manual give off the same warning about protecting the paint
What ever happened to the tailgate ramp?
Same thing that happened to the range promise.
Same thing that happened to the 39,990 dollar price tag
On my Cybertruck getting 377 wh/mi on my commute which is mostly freeway, with some short surface streets on either end. Typically mid 60F in NorCal. This gets me close the EPA of 318.
That makes sense so I think we need new ways to test trucks than just range. Range under max load. Range at different temps etc. I think if companies not just Tesla we're more transparent they would do this. They could compare it to others too. EPA range and Tesla own fodder is leading to these stories. Also 4680s and 123 kWh battery are the real culprit imo.
@@TheLobo91unless you specifically need to tow, 123kwh pack is more than enough IMO. Sure if you tow as a significant part of ownership just don’t buy an EV. Wait for battery density to double. Fuel density still has a big advantage. 2030 will be your year if you want an EV for towing that’s an ok experience compared to fuel.
Owned my CT for a week, and it’s by far my favorite car of all time. I also own a Plaid and MX. CT is just that incredible
70% of Americans live in cold regions where it can remain at or below freezing for many months. They deserve to know their Tesla’s range would be half and charging / energy costs will double in winter, especially if they lack home charging and a temperature controlled garage. Keeping charge to 10%-80% gives even less range.@@TheLobo91
I wanted to buy one but it’s not worth the price since the range is so bad
The CT is so weird that it doesn’t seem to match up with other Tesla products.
One questions if it were a wise move to or an exercise in ego.
Definitely an excersise in ego and vanity - might be the albatross around Musk's neck
Ego.
It’s bizarrely different just to be bizarrely different.
Ego, status and clout
No, snow chains. Wrong tires, or the inexperienced drivers handling difficult terrain. Such pulling out of a snowy parking lot driveway. However, admire the loyalty or the commission for the vaporware product. All from the smartest man alive today, on planet earth.
Lack of adequate Range remains my biggest concern and disappointment for the CyberTruck. My plan was for towing and camping ⛺️ out in the west where even gas stations can require going 50 miles out of the way (and another 50 back) on windy mountain roads.
Stick a couple of solar panels on , might help
@@sa34w 😂 no
If you drive on windy mountain roads, then you are driving slowly. This means your range could be better than the EPA estimate as driving slowly reduces the aerodynamic drag.
Also driving up spends a lot of energy. But you recover most driving down again.
@@pierre.a.larsen Have you driven in Colorado recently? Yes there are windy mountain roads with low speeds but most of the time you are driving close to 70 mph.
Wouldn’t be surprised if the range increases with software updates
Someone on a TFL video had this to say.
>>The top “3 motor 500 mile” model was $69,990 at launch. FSD was $7K. So my ~ $85K order for a 6 passenger 500 mile truck became $120K for a 5 passenger 350 mile range. Also not 3500lbs capacity or 14,000 tow. So I cancelled. I assume many will.
It does not matter. There are plenty who will buy it and many more getting in line.
Wait, people are still paying extra for FSD when Tesla isn't even close to having the best autonomy features? (let alone SAE level 5).
Man, I thought that scam ended back in the 2010's.
@@deanchur Leon has been known to alter facts and stretch his version of the truth, over and over again.
@@danharold3087 Crying towels will be in demand when they figure out what they did with their hard earned cash.
It's called inflation. Car prices went up especially. Look around, you'll struggle to find a better deal.
FSD got infinitely better, it's super cheap compared to it's value.
What I got from this analysis, after discounting the presumed negatives, is that the Cybertruck can handle most if not all of the daily needs of a large majority of pickup truck owners. This includes commuting, weekend trips to Home Depot, light hauling, and towing their 20-foot Sea Ray to the local boat ramp. Do people routinely buy trucks based on maximum possible capability, such as buying an F350 dually to perform the prior described tasks? The answer is for the most part, no. If a person is into weekly or monthly cross-country trips, or hauling around their mother-in-law has them worried about losing range, then the truck isn’t for them, and that’s ok.
If you mean can it act like a car ( which is how the majority of truck owners use them) then yes. But if you are using it as a Truck its not good at all., An Ice truck has over 500 miles of usable range . Take a CT out to the woods for a week and your likely to loose 15+% just sitting doing nothing. Tesla would be better off turning this into a 3 row full size SUV where the range would make more sense.
@@crimsondecade7420Your statment is ignoring the fact many truck owners do not use truck that travels 500 miles daily or regularly. A truck is like a vehicle that can be a car or use to do truck things, hauling large, bulky objects. Why don't ICE trucks have 1 load capacity or tow capacity if everyone is "expected" to do the same tasks day in day out? Why different load capacity from 1,500 lbs or 2,500 lbs or towing limit 11,000 lbs or 14,000 lbs between models and variants? Not to mention they have different fuel capacity variant. It is because there are different use cases. Cybertruck fits into many use cases that you refused to acknowledge.
@@crimsondecade7420 OK we get that it does not have the range and that your a bone head if you drive it like it does. I can see a lot of work use cases where the CT will work.
Tesla may well follow CT with a SUV in a while. But they made the right choice because it will cover a lot of market space. And yes a lot of that will not be traditional truck.
cope
The Maverick can handle most people's truck needs, at a third of the cost.
I wish you would stop saying that people don’t really need or want long range - I honestly don’t know a single person that feels that way. A full charge needs to equal the range of an ICE full tank mileage wise. Until that gets figured out, EVs will remain at a low adoption percentage
Seeing the final cybertruck specs and price made me 100% confident and comfortable picking up an F150 Lightning…. Can get two lightnings for the price of one CT…
An ICE F-150 would be a more practical choice.
It’s simple. If you want to pull around a 5 ton load don’t buy a Cybertruck right now. Cybertrucks obviously will have their advantages and disadvantages. It should fit most needs quite well.
Not really. It only good as a daily commute vehicle, and light off roading.
@@gamerfan8445 Pffff
@@RicardoPereira-pk3py I being serious. That what it good at
The need for a sub $100k truck? That's a pretty big need that most people have.
The energy density of batteries is a small fraction of gas or diesel, and there's no saying that can ever be equalized, since batteries can't be pure weight-as-energy, needing plates, etc.
I have owned four wheel drive trucks for over 30 years. I used my four wheel drive when I was in my 20's to go mudding. The clean-up was terrible and I stopped going mudding for fun. Other than that, I have rarely used the four wheel drive mode. I have never towed anything heavier than about four thousand pounds. All of my trucks have gotten bad gas mileage. My current Titan work truck gets about 10 mpg towing 3500 pounds at about 70 mph. It gets about 8 mpg if I go about 75 to 80. I'm in Texas, so the speed limit is 75 and most people are driving faster than that. The Titan does have 33 inch all terrain tires. My 2019 Ram has 35 inch tires. It was getting about 8 to 10 mpg at 75 miles an hour towing the same trailer. So, in conclusion. I think most Cybertruck buyers by now understand the limitations of the truck. I would guess that 90 percent of Cybertrucks will probably never tow anything. There are Fords, Chevys, GMC's, Rams all around me. I rarely see them towing anything. A few are used as work trucks but mostly used for pleasure. I don't think these issues will keep most people from taking delivery of their Cybertruck. I am also assuming that a few years from now, range and off-roading will be better.
Getting bad gas mileage is fine. You just need 5 minutes to refuel. Getting bad mileage on an EV is another story. You have to wait hours to recharge at high frequency. Now imagine doing that off road. Not even possible, unless you carry a generator, which then defeats the purpose of EVs in the first place.
@@sunahamanagai903915minutes to 80%. Only getting faster every year. And Wireless charging coming soon! The future looks great! ⚡️🇺🇸
A lot of us ordered the tri-motor for the 500 mile range. We knew what we were doing. I use my trucks for my ag operation in northern new mexico. They are work trucks. I use my 4x4 mode daily and I tow frequently. I also use my bed. 123 kWh just isn't enough battery for my needs and there are no nearby superchargers whatsoever. I am deeply disappointed in Tesla. I am holding off for now but may eventually buy one with the disgusting range extender as a replacement for my wife's Subaru because this dam thing sure as hell can't replace a real truck. And that just pisses me off. Wtf were they thinking?
Great comment!
@@jemezname2259 So the Truck is not for you, why complain. Just don't buy it, simple as...
Though the range is disappointing. Some mention of Tires is important as all-terrain tires get significantly less range than all season tires.
Jeeps with 35" and 3" lifts will only get about 280miles and they drive like crap on the freeway. Pickups with IFS do a lot better but their range is a little more. Main difference I see here is the pickup doesnt cost $100k or take 45mins to refuel.
It has a better range than a Ford Lighting with a smaller battery.
@@juanmedinar20 Actually it doesn't. Wtf were they thinking when they opted for a measly 123 kWh battery?
@@jemezname2259 yes it does. In the range test from Kyle the Cybertruck did 254 miles while the Lighting did 270 miles. The Lighting was on all season tires and tested at Colorado and high elevation in warm weather. The Cybertruck was in all terrain tires and ok previous test with the lighting there was difference of 22 miles between all season tires and all terrain. That alone will put it over the range of the lighting. The Cybertruck wasted in mid 40 degree weather and low elevation where density is higher. The lighting has +8kWh bigger battery than the Cybertruck. The Cybertruck is amazing.
@@juanmedinar20 - Weren't both trucks tested with the factory, OEM tires? If so, then tires are a non-factor as that is what the manufacturer specified and included at purchase.
Remember that aerodynamic drag force increases with the square of velocity. Work = force x distance. Power= work/time. So what exactly is the highway speed for the mileage test? In NY highway speed is 55 for country roads, 65 on the Thruway, but people routinely drive over that. I think Texas may have posted speeds that are similar, but 85+ is common.
NO one drives 55 , except may people over 70.
People, in general, drive about 5 to 10 mph hours over the speed limit.
That being said, its a horrible range, when the same guys did the same test with a ford lightning and Rivian.
75 is normal on Texas highways and there are a few 85 mph
Correct on aerodynamic drag. Because of that, power increases with the cube of the speed.
@@jabberwolf7348 "when the same guys did the same test with a ford lightning and Rivian"....
what was the result?
A good portion of these problems fall under the umbrella of "there's a price to be paid for buying a vehicle in it's first model year". Sounds like that truism still applies. I have some - mostly mild - regrets about buying two pre-2021 Model 3s.
That saying is quite likely more applicable to software defined vehicles.
@@RubberDickyWill probably have some upgrades also. A front bumper camera?
There was a price to be paid for buying a betamax when they could have had VHS.
If EV's are really going to be accepted they need to get to a point where they don't have "excuses" for why they are not performing as advertised.
That range extender thingy reminded me of similar aftermarket batteries once sold for the Prius, as well as earlier Teslas.
The carrot test is absurd - you can lose a finger closing a regular trunk on almost any vehicle…
Any other vehicle won't bring your clicks!
not my superior, cheaper, more range, regular car, it opens up when it gets jammed
@@Chris-Brown- I assure you if I close the door on your finger it doesn’t.
I think the off road battery armor needs to be talked about. Hearing a normal tesla small ding will need a full battery replacement, i think it needs to heard how the cyber truck avoids an obvious 4 wheel road impact will not render the battery unsafe. Though from everything heard to date, this is not an offroad vehicle.
yeah I saw a story recently about a guy that hit something in the road and decided to have it checked out. Turns out whatever he hit came up and damaged the battery cover, which damaged the battery as well. They totaled the car. Damage didn't even look bad, just some scratches really. I think it was a Kia SUV hybrid.
That’s another reason why it’s not suitable for off road.
Another negative of the range extender is that it means it would take even longer time for recharging.
That is not a given. The range extender may allow you to charge the extender and the built in battery using 2 chargers. Not saying it will be that way.
Yes I realize that if the superChargers share the same 'feed cabinet' 2 or 1 may not make a difference.
@@danharold3087 i cant imagine them even thinking about engineering the CT to use two super chargers. That just seems like a dumb idea.
@@user-xj5xp6qz5g Would you care to share the logic behind such a condemning statement.
@@danharold3087 seems like a dumb idea
Charging speed is mostly a function of the individual cells. The range extender should not significantly affect charging speeds.
Tires. They went less grippy for range, but traction sucks. My F150 does it all V8 4X4 gets almost 20 MPG hwy.
Recently helped a man at Costco to load TV's into his cyber truck, my first impression is that this is the most impressive vehicle I've ever seen, when he pulled up to the front of the store it was like a martian had landed. I felt the fit and finish was flawless as did the owner. Range will be an issue until solid-state nano batteries are available in about 5 years.
The biggest issues where this truck failed off-road is when the suspension was at max ride height effectively removing the suspensions ability to droop so the tire could touch the ground getting traction. There is something to be said about having the truck in the middle of the suspension stroke so you have equal amounts of suspension droop and tuck keeping the tires planted firmly on the ground. So you are right. There was some user error there. I think there needs to be a baseline of off-roading understanding other than off-road mode running the truck at max tide height virtually killing it's ability to articulate. As always Ryan, great vid!
im not certain about Cyber Truck but ive seen after market suspension lift systems and they raise or lower the entire shock not just extend the travel of the shock. Also, even if thats how they engineered it why would that prevent the weight of the truck from still compressing the suspension and having it sit in the travel?
The Subaru made it up, there's no excuse
@@garymillerjr4452 lol the Subaru wasn’t riding at the top of the suspension travel hence this whole discussion
The biggest issue is that Cybertruck traction control obviously doesn't work. All the torque was going to the wheel in the air.
But you have to use maximum height to keep from bottoming out the expensive battery.
Just terrifying. Looks like the CT has a destiny similar to the Delorean, another "new concept" with a Stainless Steel body.
A truck with paint/ wrap as a spendy option.
I predict they won’t sell many to ranchers.
@@softwarephil1709 No, Musk's truck isn't practical for anyone who needs the utility of a pickup, e.g., serious loads. I think Musk is targeting the "Look at Me" younger buyers that live on the internet, mostly.
Climbing anything with a truck comes down to 3 things : power,grip,weight of what you are trying to pull up the hill. A CT is not light. It's heavy,it will sink into the surface (snow,mud) . A JEEP 2 doors would probably perform better then any pickup truck.
Let me start by saying I have a cyber truck on order since 12/2020.
I am concerned about this tiny slice of a headlight which will become covered with snow and ice quickly in the north where live.
As for being a contractor's truck and work truck I will be unable to plow snow in it like many contractors do in their own homes and vacation homes. So the most expensive truck I will ever own will not be able to plow snow, maybe something most people won't care about but real working people like to use heavy equipment like this for multiple uses.
All the other shortcomings will be fixed with software I'm sure and I am looking forward to taking delivery of my cybertruck.👍✌️
It’s worth noting that EPA recently revised their method to calculate EV range. So Tesla will have an even tougher time achieving the 500 mile range.
EPA numbers will ALWAYS be wrong (high) because they are mainly a calculation and the effects of wind resistance aren't accounted for.
Real world range matters only.
@@andrasbiro3007The problem is that your "real world range" is not comparable at all. Because every one has a different set of conditions. So you need "standardized parameters". Otherwise you are guessing instead of measureing.
@@markl3893Only Tesla misses EPA range by such a large margin. Notice no one else had to revise their numbers down under the new rules.
@@Daniel_S.
Except the standardized EPA test cycle gives wildly different results for different cars. Some are doing poorly on the EPA cycle, but well in the real world, or the other way around. The main problem is that they include city driving too, but we only care about highway range. And then there's the new rule that combines different driving modes, regardless of their relevance. If I want range, I'll choose the mode that gives me the best range. Don't do range test with modes that are meant to be used on race tracks.
Real world range tests are much more reliable, and that's what you really care about anyway. Sure, you have to test in similar conditions as much as possible, but that's not too hard. One easy way is to drive all cars at the same time on the same route.
As someone who preordered a cybertruck, I’m disappointed by its range and price. Also, bothered by the lack of spare tire and missing tailgate ramp that was shown in the prototype.
then DONT buy it
@@jimbob6062 I have decided not to buy. At least not in its present specs.
Thank you for the great coverage!
That truck stuck in the snow couldn't be realistically called "off roading." It was just trying to go up the driveway while it was snowing. It wasn't even that steep a driveway.
Thanks Ryan for staying objective. Great job.
Early adopting a new model from
a relatively new make... engineered differently from any other vehicle... yeah, expect some trouble. If you cannot stomach being a beta tester of a new model or tech, wait 3-5 years for the bugs to shake out and there is a major revision... maybe even some improved design cues
- Why does the CyberTrash need such a large battery?
- Because it's so heavy!
- Why is it so heavy?
- Because its battery is so large!
As someone else asked, is the replacement windshield washer blade one piece or several smaller ones? Price?
All Tesla parts catalogues are online. $75 for a wiper blade.
Any word on the rumor of upgrading the rear steering from 3 degrees to 10 degrees?
I don't think it was a rumor.
@@danharold3087, Yeah, I believe Elon posted about it.
@@CL-gq3no sweet, so did he give any type of eta?
@@plpwheeler, not that i'm aware of.
Isn’t it 48 volt architecture?
48 volt refers to the low voltage system. EVs have a low voltage system for running everything except the drive motors and a high voltage system for running the motors/charging system. The cybertruck has 48v low voltage system and an 800v high voltage system.
I can’t believe no one is talking about the fact that there’s no rear view window and the rear camera doesn’t have a washer feature so you’re basically blinded behind you. How is that legal or safe?
What was the original battery size for the km500 range and what size is the current model that should of been able to do that km500?
You can get 500km/310 miles depending on the circumstances. The spec at reveal was 500 miles of range, assuming it gets 300 miles right now with 123kwh battery you would need at least 205kwh (probably more to account for the increased weight)
@@BravestDawg101 hi thx for that but did Tesla reveal the size of the battery that would get 500miles when the truck was revealed
@@douglascarrphotographyno they didn’t, I think they were very overly optimistic about the energy density of the 4680 cells.
@@BravestDawg101 Yeah they really created this problem by not providing enough information regarding the battery pack capabilities and Elon should of cleared it up at the delivery event as peoples expectation's hasn't been realigned with the actual capabilities of the new battery pack size and 4680 capabilities
Agree. Im waiting this one out
Well one question…. How bad will be range of lower level of cyber truck if middle level is 90milles towing? 40 miles possibly….? I guess no need to buy that one and possibly that truck will be never made……
I would not make that assumption. The CT and semi cruise on one motor. I am saying we don't know.
It’s funny how any problems this Truck encounters are blamed on things like ‘inexperienced drivers’ or ‘software issues’. Never blaming the failures of the Cybertruck itself.
As someone who lives in Canada I would never buy a car where it is critical to get the road salt off as soon as possible. I generally get my cars rust proofed and wash my car a couple times a year. I keep all my cars until they are 12 years old or more and, except for my first car that proved to be very biodegradable (and that one I did frequently wash) none of the cars were in bad body condition when they finally had to be retired.
That hood safety 'flaw' is standard equipment on virtually every vehicle that has a hood trunk or door. The Rivian and maybe Ford has started using sensor strips to prevent this on their EV pickups. When the sensor strip fails can you close the hood?
I feel like the Cybertruck is a unique vehicle and cutting edge in a lot of ways, but if you need a serious off road vehicle or a rugged work truck then look elsewhere. The range issues and overall weight of electric trucks is, for me, a huge problem with no solution until more advanced battery technology emerges. After a year and a half of ownership I love my Model Y Performance, but for overall general utility and range of uses my Toyota 4Runner wins. I would love to have something like the 4Runner that was electric but nothing like that exists. If I need more range for off road trips I can just carry extra gas. Eventually there will be battery tech that delivers huge range, but not at the moment. I suppose the current crop of electric trucks work well for shorter distance hauling. Still, these trucks weigh a ton and need bigger batteries which means longer charging times with home chargers compared to something like my Model Y.
Tesla Cyber Truck weighs 5,000 lbs
Ford F250 weighs 6,050 lbs
@@austinpowers1999 Tesla web site says 6,843 LBS.
@@austinpowers1999 Tesla says the all-wheel drive model weighs 6603 pounds while the Cyberbeast weighs 6843 pounds.
@@austinpowers1999 I love when rando's try and spew some nonsese, Cybertruck does not weigh 5,000 lbs.
I wonder what the depreciation will be 5 years down the road on a 1st gen Cybertruck. Given they were originally designed to be an affordable work truck and then the price jumped significantly with reduced range. Considering the depreciation Tesla has seen over the last year with all models the Cybertuck could drop a lot if that trend continues.
What does it cost the replace the tires?
2,500
I'll stick to my ICE 4runner thx. 300 mile range thru snow, cold, salt, heat, flat or hilly, etc. 8 minutes at the gas station for a full tank, coffee and a pee.......thank you very much.
Ryan, thanks for tackling these issues head-on. It seems as though many UA-camrs, have been sticking their heads in the sand pretending this truck doesn't have serious issues. Just because it has many breakthrough technologies, that doesn't excuse its significant shortcomings. Please consider doing a video on how much these issues could be fixed through software updates. The charging curve should be able to be altered with software updates, but how much could the range be altered with software? Also, could you talk about the upcoming shift in 4680 battery chemistry and when we could expect to see that in CT production, and how it might impact range? Thanks for your great work!
Did that guy doing the off roading just scrape all the bottom of his cyber truck there? We know what that means if he did, or don't these things have the battery in the floor.
The batteries are in the floor but they’re not just exposed cells down there. They are in an enclosure and protected by skid plates as well.
The only damage he incurred was to the mud flaps that he acknowledged Tesla’s owner’s manual recommends removing before off-roading. He didn’t remove them and two were damaged.
@@BravestDawg101 That's the case on all EV's isn't it? But there have been cases where insurance companies have wanted to replace whole batteries or even whole cars for small scrapes on the lower outer covering. Because they can't tell if the cells inside have been damaged or not and don't want to risk later fires.
@@pertwee9376 This is a problem that needs solving. EV manufactures need to provide a way to verify batteries. Maybe right in the car. What is currently going on is a bit of a scam. Tesla and others totaled by insurance companies take a boat ride around the world to places like Ukraine where people repair and resell them. Money changes hands a few times. The car carriers do not burn down. Then car owners find out their cars are back on the road again. People are making money.
If you dent the skid plate, they need to check the battery for damage. If you dinged the battery, they may total the vehicle.
How do you clean off roadsalt on the undercarriage?
Somebody may have gotten carried away in the warranty department. Better to disclaim all responsibility for damage then to have people etch it with acid to make a point. Kim Java's other 1/2 said his delorean was the easiest to car for car finish he has owned. Or words to that effect. No etching problem with treat sap or bird droppings. However they are not the same alloy.
With the telsa cyber wash, only 200k, it requires special telsa water. The only issue is the 50,000 gal tank can only clean half a car
@@danharold3087 True, that car was designed to hide the smell of drugs, but like CT it failed
@@Chris-Brown- I have seriously wondered if they will become a vehicle of choice in the drug world. Will cops wanting a hot ride seize them in drug raids and terrorize us civilians!
He had to say “To the third decimal place” tells me all I need to know about who is building these trucks
Rule of thumb
Never get 1st gen of any new product
Never get the 1st year of a new gen product
Unless it is very popular and the 3rd or 4th Gen is already out. A 1st generation of the first 1000 Datsun 240z is a keeper.
Except in the case of Telsa products, never get the first 10 generations. Then you might get the features promised in the 1st gen
I ordered this truck love the look the durability but EXCLUSIVELY I need that 500 mile range without eating up my bed , a bed the entire reason for a truck! come on Tesla!
🤦🏼
I got my order in not in a rush. Hopefully by the time my vin hits all this problems will be fixed
Things have moved on. 500 miles range is a pointless waste of battery resources and a very expensive load to carry. 340 days per year owners will do less than 100 miles per or day or even less than 50 miles per day. It makes no sense to carry a huge battery around permanently especially with supercharger network which grows every day.
@paulmcgreevy3011 false. I own a truck. Cybertrucks range is horrible, especially when people who own trucks most of us haul and tow things which will drop range substantially. Maybe this cybertruck is for women and mall crawling. 😊
@@cheesedipmarin2757i did the same. i intentionally wanted number 1 million+ so that all of the issues could benaddressed and version 2.0 or later
The long wheelbase and small departure angle limit off road use. Also forward visibility is very limited when topping a crest.
Trucks should be able to perform when there are emergencies like extended power outages, snow, freezing temperatures, floods, etc.
The more I learn, the more I know I made the right choice when I gave up my reservation.
Elon musk should be sued for false advertising
Excellent - nice to have a fair review of a respectful review of the shortfalls. Thank you
I want rear access for camping
I range is same I want ability to run generator in back while driving (when towing or going real off road camping)
Not getting up that small snowy hill with all 4 wheels spinning is a tire problem...
I repeat. If there is ice under the snow or the driver has been spinning the wheels, as we see in the clip, that truck is resting on 4 very effective bearings. It is not going up the hill. Learn how to drive on snow and ICE.
@@danharold3087Yup, they needed to backup and get momentum. Eventually you’ll plow a trackway to follow.
@@hardcoreherbivore4730 Bingo.
They need real snow tires. Those so called all terrain tires are pretty much useless in snow. I once passed a bunch of 4x4s going up an icy ski hill road. They were stuck on the side of the road with their mouths hanging open as my Subaru drove right up the hill without a slip. What they didn't know was I had studded snow tires while they were driving on their big summer knobbies. Ain't no way in hell they were climbing that hill without getting out the chains.
No vehicle is four-wheel-drive, unless the lockers are engaged. That software fix needs to come pretty soon because actually, it will only drive one front wheel and one rear wheel if not making contact with the surface
7:00 The Cybertruck wasn't delivered with snow tires, and as mentioned previously, the software handling traction wasn't released. I've also seen many pickup in a similar situation with the wrong tires, and in the wrong driving mode.
Still, very good balanced review.
If ranges turn out to be an issue, there is always the hybrid option. But what uses are PUs going to be used for? Builders may just drive 25 to 50 miles to one job site and use the battery/inverter to power or charge builders tools without the cost of an AC power hook-up.
If you don't like the terms of sale then don't buy the product.
Terms of sale all lies 😂😂😂
If you don't like being hoodwinked stay away from the product. False advertising will cost Leon bigly.
@@healthygrowth7760 That would be an even better reason not to buy the product.
@wineberryred since you are so good at logic, then what you are saying is that you don't care to buy fake products... good job
i get the strange feels of "If you don't like this country, get out" from this comment.
I drive the limit and want all season tires, so not worried.
I have a regular 180 mile drive in temps as cold as -35C, and zero places to charge en route, and I sometimes pull a trailer on this route. My Ram can do both ways plus a week of city driving in the same conditions. (won’t get the extra week if pulling the trailer) I love the Cybertruck, but it’s got a ways to go for range improvements. Hope it’s improved by the time I’m ready to buy.
I can’t believe the number of comments I’ve seen, even from Elon and Sandy Munro discounting range issues. Obviously from people who don’t refuel in a 30 mph wind at -25C.
And no Superchargers.
I’m still waiting on mine. Could be anytime now but I’m damn sure inspecting this thing closely before I take delivery.
The only issue with the Cyber truck for me, is the lack of range. Sure not only did it fall short of Tesla's original announcement but its also much lower than the rest of their fleet. I get 265 miles at 80% on my Model 3, Tesla should have aimed for at least that for this truck. I get it that its a bigger vehicle and all that, but the range is far too little for the price their asking for it. I'll wait for the RAM EV.
To be competitive, I would have thought there should have been a 400-mile version of the cybertruck. I was hoping to get the cybertruck for toeing my 2540 lb camper. My model Y LR only gets 100 to 120 miles of range towing the camper. I was hoping to do a lot better with the cybertruck. Well, see what happens in the next couple of years with the 4680 cells. Hoping improved energy density will get it up to 400 miles or more. We'll see.
There's a big problem with how EPA is allowing EV manufacturers rate their mileage. It resulted in boosting their mpg to make EV more appealing when in reality, the REAL mpg is a lot less. The most recent ruling dropped all Teslas mpg rating. If weather impacts EV, don't you think the calculation should include those factors? At least 25% of the time the weather is cold hence you are seeing the CT numbers and it don't look good.
The same factors should apply to ice vehicles as well.
@@freddymax5256 My ICE car goes through everything from 0 to near 50C and the range difference is effectively non-existent; the HVAC and driving style play a much bigger factor in range than weather.
And, if you drive at night and you run your heater or air conditioning and any electronics, are towing a trailer, are driving in hilly or mountinous country, you shorten your range. The advertised range is under optimum conditions.
It is refreshing to see such honesty in an EV review. All we need now is the ability to differentiate between features that a manufacturer has actually delivered from those that have only been promised or those which we just hope materialize one day.
It's really disappointing when Tesla consistently makes promises they don't keep. It really devalues the brand.
hey my name is David Brown too lol! I got smart this time and sold 1/2 of my tesla stock 1 month ago and bought Mar 210 and May 190 puts and I have lots of time to see how low it will go.
You need to learn to discern the difference between promises and aspirations. Do you give any credit for things Tesla over delivers on?
@@paulmcgreevy3011 Why would you give credit for simply meeting expectations (which they can't do reliably either)?
The reason Porsche gets a lot of credit is because they promise little and deliver lots, the very opposite of Tesla.
@@deanchur-
I know of a couple of very high value doctors that shed their high end Porsches after a couple years because the huge ongoing maintenance costs were WAY higher than they foolishly expected. They thought they were just buying a car, but, wow, they should have done more research before the purchase.
Whatever you want to buy, purchase with your eyes open and all your ducks in a row.
0/3 for me. I thought the original advertisement for low cost, high capacity, and high mileage was a fantastic value. The price is well over the original estimate, one less seat, and mileage completely off. The only reasonable value is the relative mileage. However, most truck owners accept a large fuel tank, especially diesel owners to get double or more miles before refueling. I’m not sold on the Cybertruck and Tesla has a long way to go to win over traditional truck owners.
Best truck ever, as long you don't need to actually use it. But to be honest, what does this vehicle do actually different. Seems the focus wasn't on usability but just for a short term wow factor. It's more like going backwards by implementing things that have been proven to be a bad idea.
The need to immediately clean a car after driving in winter when roads are saltet would make this car completely unsuitable for me. According to the manual you have to clean the CT after each and every drive (insects, tar etc.). I thought that stainless steel would make a car immune against dirt & Co..