Souls PvP Is Going Extinct And Elden Ring DLC Probably Won’t Save It…
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
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Elden Ring Shadow of the Erdtree Gameplay Trailer just dropped and it's packed FULL of information. We discussed how Elden Ring DLC could possibly fix PvP and if this will be the end. Elden Ring is a 2022 action role-playing game developed by FromSoftware. It was directed by Hidetaka Miyazaki with worldbuilding provided by fantasy writer George R. R. Martin.
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0:00 Intro
1:09 State Of PvP
3:42 PvP Stigma
4:47 Possible Improvements
8:46 Conclusion
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Music:
Metroid Prime OST - Ігри
The removal of covenants has to be my least favorite part of the game. The structure and factions are already there, I will never understand why they’re gone
i think covenants was already in the game but they only function as roleplay only as miyazaki said, for example : volcano manor, mohgwyn dynasty, carian royal family
but i do hope this is not the meaning of what miyazaki said and they bring the literal covenants as how in dark souls works
literally just to be different from dark souls
@@lothricel it does feel like that. When D teleported me to Gurranq I thought it would be a covenant, same with Ranni. It was very disappointing to find out there were no covenants in game
Ngl I thought it was cuz in the lore everyone thinks they are better than the tarnished, outside the volcano manor
I just think invasions should be random again. Like if you're using a rune arc it also could leave you open to invasion, like with Embers in DS3. Invasions we're always meant to feel uninvited and like another challenge while you're trying to progress. It's not the same when you're playing with a friend because it's just expected at this point and typically stacked against the invader most of the time.
I want larvae tears as a reward for pvp
Truuuuuuuuuuuuue! Everything that is too rare in general!
+ one smithingstone of the highest grade
+ one highest grade flowers of both types for the spirit ashes
+ 1 Larvae tear
Rare consumable rewards for pvp would be siiiiick
Great idea
I want rewards at all for something that could take so much time
That doesn't even make sense for a reward. Git gud
Man how sad would it be if it was really the end... I miss ds3's covenants
Vertebro's 😥 ... my most beloved Covenant.
The purple Phantom that could always turn on everyone.
I miss DS3 fight clubs
@@BLP04THIS
People starting out PVP with ER will never experience the feeling of invading a 4 man gank squad with overleveled phantoms, that feeling of hopelessness until a red shows up, he runs past you spamming L1 "I got this bro". He goes straight to the R1 spammer, parry and finishes him with his trusty fire dagger. The host starts panicking, meanwhile that extra estus was everything you needed to get back into battle. Now its a 3v2, they're cornered, completely lost. Just as the the host is dying the blue shows up. Everybody greets each other and are sent back to their own world.
@@bladeoflucatiel People starting pvp with elden ring will, as said in the video, hating the concept for it being too ungrateful and hard, while what you described for a dark souls game was a hard experience, but a great one indeed... It's a shame to lose this quality over a pvp concept that was so incredible in ancient games
Volcano manor had so much potential for this alongside with Moghs whole faction
The Recusants of Volcano Manor are just your textbook Darkwraiths and Rosaria’s Fingers. The potential for a covenant was right there. Mohg’s could’ve worked like the Aldritch Faithful, having you defend his area. But noooo
Mohg Blood Wraiths, Carian Manor, Raya Lucarian, Redmane Faction, Dragon cult faction, frenzy faction, sleep faction, poison and rot faction at shaded castle I mean that’s barely scratching the surface imagine nokron faction, or a crucible faction. It’s there for their taking. We’ll see
What they need are covenants and rewards. That would really liven up PvP
That and trying to change meta's. Cuz the nerf of Stars of Ruin and Bloodhoundstep were nothing but dumb.
One was the only spell that could *'always'* shave off some HP even against the most notorious roll-spammer.
And the only reason to use the BHStep was its practical invulnerability frame's, which in contrast I have almost never see anyone *spamming!*
Well at least they gave us a better lightroll and light equip load also boosts the now mostly obseleve BHstep ash of war. 🥱 But these changes, especially Stars of Ruin, were just cringe.
Yeah we get it FromSoftware, you hate the idea that there is a single Sorcery in PvP that everyone can use and is has about 3/4 of it's damage being unavoidable.
Which was still not even much! Physical builds & Incantations rule the PvP landscape but god forbid there being a single Sorcery that can allow even the biggest casuals to pressure no-lifers even a puny little bit.
Cringe.
@@LawfulBasedas someone who uses pure sorcery, I feel like you just abused these two things and are mad they god nerfed. Everybody spammed bloodhound step and stars of ruin was basically unavoidable damage
@@LawfulBasedFromsoft took away your press-to-win-pew-pews and your press-to-dodge-anything buttons and you're still malding over it close to a year later. Insane. Imagine thinking that pre-1.06 ER was a better game... Absolutely insane dude. Imagine thinking INT builds, both magic and cold-infused, aren't a menace and capable of 10/10 punishing bad spacing with sorcery and some ashes.
"Sorcery that can allow even the biggest casuals to pressure no-lifers even a puny little bit." God forbid a more skilled player having the upper hand against single button gaming. I know, I know. Crazy!
@@LawfulBased🧀🤡
@@kimlee6643 Cry more.
You know nothing. If you die to a sorcery user you are a noob. Its easy to kill casters.
it's still possible we get covenants, they were cut from the base game and Fromsoft often use their cut content in their DLC
is dark souls 3's hollow arena content that was cut from the base game since you only have access to it if you bought the dlcs?
hopefully you're right, would be cool
Here’s hoping
hopemaxxing. we're gonna make it
Yeah. We could have DLC-specific covenants for the various factions in the Land of Shadows. It's more of an expansion than a simple DLC and they're already implementing a special Sekiro-like level-up system, so it doesn't seem too farfetched.
You know what would make pvp better?
Better netcode
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Yup, FromSoft has been using the same shitty copy-pasted net code from Demon Souls for years. I should not have to compensate for latency myself in gameplay to hit enemies. That’s so stupid.
I have felt it was better in in ER, it felt the worst in DS3 to be honest. Why I went back to DS2 pvp among other reasons. ER seems improved to me but I don't have real evidence other than I don't feel like I take as many phantom hits as DS3.
@@nuarBlack clearly you have never played DS1 online.
Making invasions optional would greatly improve it
they don't need to add 2 slots, just ONE for a 2nd invader to get in, so 90% of the invasions at 125/138/150 isn't a 3v1 open field with almost non-existent-cost Ash of War projectiles spam L2 fest that you need 500 hours minimum experience to have more than a 10% chance to win.
Oh and a specific area where you can hang in with 5 more players so FCs are a real thing again (which are nice for new PvPers as there's no pressure of permanent 3v1 or grace rune arc'd duelists, they can practice pvp in a fair 1v1 scenario that's not giga sweats in the arena)
What makes you think people wouldn't be sweaty in FC?
Also, why do you think you should be able to win invasions with less than 500 hours? It's 3v1...you should be losing. Not doing so takes a huge amount of skill...
In regards to FC, the area before Academy gates is good enough IMO
Otherwise completely agree
@@cloud_2510because the point of invasions was to fck someone over with random pvp interactions. If the host is expecting it AND 90% of interactions are gank squads then there’s no fun in it doing the invasion for the invaders. Before u could have an intense 1v1 or FC encounter.
IMO the Invader win ratio should be between 30 to 40%, if you need an optimized build with twink gear to even stand a 10% chance of winning against a gank squad that kinda defeats the purpose of invasions. I would gank and invade at the woods/pontiff and you always get the feeling its a "fair" fight, specially at 3v3. I tried ganking once in ER with friends and its completely unfair, the reds would drop one by one.
Or they could just limit it to 1 cooperator. I get why it would be difficult to have 6 slots from a technical standpoint, but what he said in the video is true, most of the time it’s a single invader against 3 guys. I get why people would complain if we could only have 1 summon but it’s the same kind of people who want Elden Ring to be a co-op campaign game, when that’s just not what it is or ever intended to be
I tried out DS3 for the first time a few days ago, and I got 3 random invasions while exploring with ember on. Won one, lost one, third disconnected (my wi-fi is ass). I really enjoyed the surprise every time, wish I could experience this in elden ring (taunter's tounge doesn't feel the same).
This is why Elden Ring is the least fav of the souls games. The lack of tension due to the removal of invasions and an abundance of bonfires/graces. Its open world so I guess they couldn't accommodate this. Lets hope the next Souls game returns to the PVP roots
Thank all the casuals who begged them to remove it… when they could have simply played off line or not used a rune arc…
lol if you think they removed it because 'casuals begged them to' then you are a moron.@@sweatyzeusgaming
@@Insp.CountMortisWinshipKlawthe least fav souls games for you, or in the pvp community in general?
Cause personally i never cared about PvP in any of the games, and the consensus is usually that elden ring is the best game ( as a solo experience at least)
@@cheeks_of_the_boreal_valley PVP community rate it as one of the worst. As a PVE experience it is one of the best however you will find of the players who have been gaming since Demon Souls Elden is not the number 1. Mostly new players to Fromsoft rate ER as the top.
As a solo and co-op enjoyer, I won't forget the experiences of hide-and-seek and running for my life in the early Souls games.
You can literally do that in ER
@@loubloom1941you have to choose to, doesn’t feel the same
You have to “choose” to in Dark souls 3 as well. If you don’t Ember you won’t be invaded.
@@catspajamas482 ember is a buff, most people use it because of that. Also you get embered after beating bosses. It’s just not comparable
@@catspajamas482 It sounds the same, but the experience is very different when the situation became almost unconditional.
I honestly think they should make it so that whenever you're using a great rune, you're opens up for pvp and not just when you're co-oping, at least when you're inside a dungeon.
So I actually played through DS3 as we waited for Elden Ring DLC news and yeah the pvp in DS3 is actually fun! I see now why Elden Ring pvp sucks so much and its genuinely annoying cuz it could had the best iteration of pvp ever in a souls game but yeah…big letdown
Me too; I started on Elden Ring and played a bunch of pvp but eventually got tired; I then visited the older games and had an absolute blast; Had a 2vs2vs2 on the road of sacrifices (Watchdogs vs Invaders vs Host and Phantom) and it was a blast; Not to mention a bunch of tag team invasions on pontiff with Alderich Faithfuls; Not just tag teams but also betrayals : Watching an Alderich spawn in front of the 3 coopers, emote to them and them watch as i get jumped; Stuff like that will never happen on ER and its a damn shame; Now that i played the older games i want covenants; I want pvp zones; I want it so baaaaaaaad
@@pedroabumanssur976 agreed!! I remember recently I was tryna kill the pontiff beasts for the ring of favor and I got invaded by not one but two faithfuls!! Instead of killing me they watched me get wrecked 😂 after that both came down and we all started tossing “hello” carvings then we 1v1 with the other just chillin in the back. Just great times and I’m new to both souls games and DS3! We later met at my first fight club! Seriously if we just had ONE area like farron keep or sum I’d be all for it!!
ds3 is super fun nowadays yes but back in the day ds3 was a shitshow even worst than elden ring.
covenants aside but having to face 4v1's with infinite resummons and endless roll spam was terrible
@@junoglrr9119 At least you had a chance to get backup to even the odds. The chances of you getting backup in ER PvP is almost nonexistent.
@@stormbringer7773 yes. either way it worked better in ds3
lets pray everyday to our lord miyazaki
I will NEVER FRIGGIN EVER forget all the wondrous battles that took place in Oolacile. A derelict town crumbled from age, the halls echoed with the sounds of BATTLE! Blurs of red, blue and gold, all swirling to create a cacophony of metal clashing with metal, silenced by the squelch of torn flesh. The victor bows, but he is not done. The next contender marches down the steps with an unearthy THUD THUD THUD! The ground shakes as the crowd turns to witness the most feard gladiator in all of Lordran, the GIANT DAD.
Edit: the best part of DS1 pvp is that is is still healthy n going strong up to today. Sure it is nothing like it used to be, but you can still easily find a group of like 5 people all dueling and spectating. One thing I do miss so fuckin much, is the dueling etiquette from DS1. Everyone bowed, before and after fights. It was always 1 on 1, and usually anyone who jumped in got ganged up on. There was tons of "thank you"s and "You're welcome"s. It was such a great experience, people were so respectful as they tried to kill eachother. Elden Ring is an absolute shit-mess when it comes to pvp. There is no etiquette, no repect. Thats mostly cuz of all the new players who've never played the previous titles, or those who have but just never engaged in pvp. The rest is all just dipshits. It isn't even dueling anymore, its just a race to kill eachother n that shit is just not fun to me.
DS3 improved on pvp a ton, but my favorite memories come from Oolacile.
My Bloated dark sorceress was such a fun character, people hated that bitch lmao.
Edit again: what they need for ER is what I thought they were gunna do, bring an ACTUAL coliseum. One where we can get a crowd of spectators, with a waiting list to sign up on. You sit and watch battles until it is your time, then your transported to the battlegrounds and duel. When the duel is over the next participant enters. Thats what I and many others thought these coliseums were gunna be like, not just 3 circles to fight in. They dropped the ball so fuckin hard.
Invading at lvl 60-70 is where I find myself lately. I don’t know how many times I’ve come across 2 people who have completely cleared an area and are just sitting and waiting for a fair 2v1. On the one hand, constantly fighting 2 and 3 players has made me a better player, and not just me, when on the off chance there is another red, there is a huge sense of urgency and co operation that I used to find myself wishing for in ds3 when other reds joined. One on one invasions would be awesome, but it’s not all downsides. If from soft ever go back to solo invasions, invaders are going to have a fucking field day.
Try the 80's, I invade and co-op there with consistent activity, and most people I encounter are just people trying to go through the level. It's super fun
they need to reset the timer when a phantom dies, why this was so bad was because they would waste your time running around, then you finally kill them and not even 2 minutes later you have another bc the timer (about 15 min) would start when they arrived not when they died, my first playthrough in the mountaintops was non stop, I had to actually just play that part solo bc it completely ruined the gameplay loop
I think adding a specific game mode for invasions might be an interesting way to spice up pvp. It would consist of a rotating playlist of maps (mostly legacy dungeons) where three players are thrown in at the beginning with the goal of reaching the boss. To make this easier for the host, they could give them extra heals whenever they beat groups of enemies, as well as giving them the opportunity to summon one friend (if they died) back with each checkpoint they unlock. Invasions in these games are always at their best when it’s that classic game of cat and mouse, with the host and his buddies trying to get to the boss as quickly as possible, while the invader utilizes his knowledge of the level to outmaneuver them and force them into compromising situations. To make it fair for the invaders, the level would be scaled to the host’s level, with a few mini bosses sprinkled in that need to be defeated, preventing the host from just sprinting through the level towards the boss. Each level should have its own unique tiered rewards for the host, invader, and summons, that are themed with the level. Stormveil might have an Ash of War that is like a slower, more powerful Storm Blade that uses fire, similar to what Godrick can do with his dragon, Leyndell might have an incantation that summons a rain of golden swords as seen from Morgott. These would require a certain number of wins, while each match grants the player a weapon upgrade material or maybe even a silver tear
Lastly, for regular old invasions, they should modify the Taunter’s Tongue to more strictly control exactly who gets summoned. Considering it’s this game’s version of the Dried Finger, it should reflect a certain level of added difficulty and masochism in how it functions. It would still open up the host to solo invasions, but limit the host to only one summonable phantom and one blue. Furthermore, in order to be able to resummon, the host should be required to kill at least one of the invaders. That, or it should block summons altogether, and limit the world to just one host and one invader
There is no solution for pvp players, especially if it comes at the cost of the Majority of the player base. Most players don't want to or care about pvp, specifically invasions. That is a fact since demon souls. You can say whatever you like about it but that is not a new Elden Ring thing.
Why one or another. Why not booth. Pvp is what keeps the game alive for years
Fias champions are a good opportunity for PVP boss encpunters
Just add something similar like covenants and allow the player to obtain currency, which in turn can be used to buy rare items like Somber Ancient Dragon Smithing Stones, respec items (Larval Tears), or even some quick Runes and other various items.
what I would've liked to see is factions fighting over forts/territories on the map. you can fight for the carians(rennala), Leyndell(morgott), Mohgs dynasty, Radahns army, Miquella/malenias haligtree. then use the various forts across the map and make it so you have to open gates, and take a fortified position. you'd have a set amount of lives/reinforcements defenders win so long as the invaders don't take a flag or relic and the invaders lives are spent. invaders need to take out defenders but defenders have more lives but if invaders hold the relic - defenders don't spawn.
you cordon off these matches just how the npc invasions are cordoned off - by a white wall around the play area. 3v3 in small forts - 6v6 in bigger locations like leyndell, carian academy etc.
I have no idea about the backend but from a gameplay standpoint I think that would be awesome.
for balance they have the means to equate all weapons to a certain level as for pvp. they could even have loadouts/starting classes based on the different factions. Carian knights vs dragon knights of Leyndell. flame wielding Radahn soldiers with gravity sorceries. golden order incantations and holy weapons for Miquellas army. rot builds for malenia, bleed for mohg.
although I'm not as hyped about not taking YOUR tarnished into the battles.
Love this idea and I don't even play PvP in these games lol
Invasions will never go away its an integral part of the souls series
Honestly, both Volcano Manor and Mohgwyn's Dynasty would've made for perfect covenants for invaders, especially since using their respective fingers deliver unique music while in combat. Not only do they need to add incentive by adding covenants but they also need to make said covenants unique like in past games.
Think DS1's Darkroot Forest, where if you succeed in an invasion you get a completely random reward, be it a Titanite Shard or Rubbish.
DS3's Mound-Makers, aka the Mad Covenant, where you not only could invade with the requirement to kill however many players are in the world, but you could also be summoned by the Host and support them through the area, killing enemies with them, only to then betray them via stabbing them in the back.
It's small things like these that give true incentive to not only the covenants but also invasions as a whole.
I used play ds3 invasions like a religion…in Elden ring I have invaded maybe 20 times if that.
Aldritch bastards will pay with their blood for am I purple mad spirit
Same I really liked ds3 invasions, I'm not attracted to ER invasions whatsoever
Dueling is fun however (disregarding magic)
I did it 3 it 5 times. I forget how to get invited to the palace.
It's not that bad, honestly. Though it's a bummer that the player count was decreased and covenats removed, overall invasions are still quite fun. I've spent around 1000 hours invading in DS3 and now I'm already at around 500 in ER.
I'd like the Jar Warrior bots in collesium to fill empty spots
Sounds like yall guys might have to hold that L
Exactly skill issue
@schnoz2372 the skill issue is its been two plus years and yall still copin and hoping for pvp . That's the real skill issue 🤣
Yea super noob high poise, 1shot builds, dual spear spam is “skill issue”lol. Git gud
@buckschneider7973 tell from from soft to give yall the pvp yall been begging for . Git gud at that and maybe you'll get it finally . 😏 😆
@@ImarBenIsrael not with this netcode and scrub tactics that gives ppl a false sense of hope tht theyre actually good
Rewards for invasions should be better. Rare crafting materials like golden centipedes, yellow embers, starlight shards, etc. would help a lot with incentives.
I would kill for starlight shards as rewards ngl
Early on I’m helping a friend who isn’t the best in one of the trick dungeons, we get invaded right before the lever to open the boss door. The invader will not wait till we pull the lever to fight. I would love to fight but have some respect for us pve players who only want to have a fun time with friends after a long day of work. My noob friend (host) charges in gets killed, we have to run it again… it turned me off to invasions. Not all of us sweat the game but are still good at pve.
Your the problem and the reason we are in the situation we are in grow up
@@HalcyonEX I agree it’s my problem, but I wanted to fight but you have to admit that a simple 30 second wait would have allowed us to get the lever & still fought. I win about half when I’m invaded, never coop with more than one & never summon blue. It’s obvious we aren’t a gank squad & willing to fight fair so maybe be aware of the situation. That attitude may be why more pve don’t play pvp. I just made an observation, maybe have a dialogue to the great video we just watched.
@@HalcyonEXThat's a pretty trash take
How is this dude a problem or causing a problem in the community by simply acknowledging that not everyone is a complete asshole with a thirst for some worthless f**** rune arcs?
You cant expect the invader to know your friend isnt good at the game. And he doesnt owe you any respect, nor do you owe him any. If your friend just rushed in and died thats on you for not telling him to be careful and not doing your job protecting him. There is ZERO sweat involved in pvp, you fight, win? Great. Lose? Gg better luck next time. Thats it.
Yeah youre good and it would be cool if he waited but he has no way of knowing, you should have rushed him while the host went for the lever. Always protect the host, and use the enviroment to your advantage, if you do that you can win even against the sweatiest pvpers with 4k hours, most of the time they are way too over confident.
One thing they could easily change is make the Taunters Tongue Stay on once activated like the Blue Cipher Ring does, for people that want to play through with a more traditional souls experience. Using a finger remedy and resetting it every time you warp or die is just ridiculous, not sure the thought behind that. This is super low hanging fruit.
Sorry, but have you been playing elden ring lately? My buddy and can't go 10 minutes in coop PvE without getting invaded
i went in co op with my brother and 20 seconds after i summon him we get invaded XD. Literally passed on idea of playing co op then because how can u play without horse and perma invade
I can't see them improving pvp if they don't change the netcode. It would be nice to have 1 on 1s for invasions, but I think it would still be lack luster if you still have 300 ms phantom hits or status procs.
status procs will always happen just roll out of it or eat bollosus. the issue with netcode is the worst on pc on console its not that bad (you do have to get used to it)
see people always blame the net code, do you know what net code does? do you know how it's implemented in the game? what parts of the game affect the "net code"? more often than not it's not the fault of the net code, it's the fault of your connection to the other person outside the game and it's programing, because the game runs off peer to peer connections.... theres nothing that they can improve really just hope you both have decent internet and hope your isp isnt throttling you or anything
@@darkwraithjinx228yep. People are confusing latency with bad netcode. Ive heard EAC adds artificial latency to pvp, but most of the time desync occurs because of unstable connection while latency is... Well, physical distance. P2p is unfortunately the best system in this game where dedicated servers are not at all practical, because the playerbase is quite literally worldwide.
@@darkwraithjinx228people have been complaining about net code for years but it’s really not that bad if you have good wifi😭
@@darkwraithjinx228 the netcode is bad dude. There’s no lag compensation. That is a fault of the netcode, not the connection.
The last few months I have been trying to get into invasions. Did not play PvP in any previous fromsoftware game, but really enjoyed the excitement of playing against other players after trying it a few times. But 95% of my invasions result in someone incessantly pressuring me with moonveils/rivers of blood/great swords while someone endlessly casts a barrage of spells. I am really trying to stick with it, but I am just not able to deal with this, and I really don't want to just invade and then use a bunch of cheesy BS, so it hasn't been going very well.
Even so, it has kept me in the game, has caused me to use other consumables I normally don't bother with in PVE, and encouraged me to engage with the world to farm materials for consumables. I really don't want to ruin anyone's day and I really don't care if I die, but it is a huge bummer that invasions are so untenable unless you are god-tier. I just want to spend as much time in the Elden Ring universe as I can, and PVE just isn't cutting it anymore.
@@SM-nz9ff If this is what intended, why have invasions at all?
Elden Ring introduced multiple mechanics that favor the invader. I play a lot of co-op at around meta levels with randoms and from my experience the invaders win 80% of the time.
-Campass for the host: gives the invader the ability to ambush the host without the risk of getting ambushed by the host. Most of the time we are getting invaded, the invader wins in a single ambush, most notoriously with the Rain of Arrows skill (ft. duped Golem Arrows) while being completely offscreen
-Flask of Wanderous physic: the host and the co-operators are usually keeping it for the boss, for gankers who get invaded repeatedly it will just expire after the first encounter. Most of the time it's an invader with flask going against people who don't have any flask effect.
-Spawn invincibility: I got in a situation multiple times where I got summoned for Rykard, the host entered the bossroom but didn't initiate the fight, then an invader showed up, and blasted everyone with a dragon spell or unendurable frenzy during the invincibility frames
-Bieng able to relocate: .....
Ranni and jerren could have been covenant leaders. Ranni requiring you to kill hosts in caria manor or even raya lucaria and jerren could have had you get summoned to help hosts similar to blue sentinels or summoned to defend redmane castle. Both giving covenant rewards. Ranni giving exclusive spells and maybe a staff and jerren giving cool melee weapons and armor.
Yura as a hunter of bloody fingers could have also been his own actual covenant of bloody finger hunters that could give dex weapons and talismans as rewards.
Tanith could also have given pvp exclusive rewards for online invasions aside from the offline quest which has pretty lame rewards.
Its a shame none of this stuff happened and of course it would be impossible to add retroactively but i really hope fromsoft starts doing stuff like this again
Man, plenty of people still play PVP. The only people I really see complaining are sweats, and they're going to complain no matter what (but they'll keep playing).
I like your content Zio, but all this "final nail in the coffin, this is the end, it's going to kill PVP for good, PVP is soulless" nonsense is just hyperbole. And people that still can't get over not having solo invasions are just sad. People like ChaseTheBro have proved that it's EXTREMELY easy, fun and satisfying taking on multiple foes, it simply requires more skill and tactic from the invader. You say "well, the host and his co-op friends aren't engaging with world enemies so it's not fair". That's your job as an invader, to make them engage with the world. Trick them. Outlast them. Force them. Also, your comment at 3:48 isn't a new sentiment in the Souls community. People have felt this way since Dark Souls 1. There always have been people that hate invaders, and often times they're right. Invaders are often just there to troll, and adding a reward isn't going to change that. You also contribute to this by running around and T bagging people. Not that I care personally, I do it too lol, but I also don't complain about trolls in PVP, or act like I'm worried about offending newcomers. Also let's not pretend that Dark Souls 3's version of the colosseums weren't just as dead as Elden Rings (unless you 1v1 in the same place every time). It's just a fact that most people don't play Souls games for PVP. Lastly, you say "there is no need or incentive to play PVP"... I guess that sentiment comes with modern gamers that constantly need something to be rewarded with. Loot boxes, cosmetics, new items etc. What happened to just playing the game because it's fun? The PVP is fun! And it's challenging for both the host and invaders this time around.
That's not to say I wouldn't love some improvements like covenants (although I hate the idea of weapons and armor specifically being locked behind mandatory PVP - a better option would be upgrade mats, larval tears or even the opportunity to buy otherwise very rare drops etc.), and I'd also like to see one or two specific areas that are lore based for invaders such as Dark Souls 3 and Bloodborne had, but I'd also prefer From be dedicated to placing all their resources into future IP's and/or sequels instead of working on PVP for Elden Ring for years too.
The only sensible comment here.
based take
All of this. 100%
I agree. It’s not as good as past games, especially DS3, but saying it straight up sucks is a stretch
The amount of skill an effort the singular invader has to put in in order to overcome even 3 co-opers with barely any pvp skill is ridiculous, especially since all the ashes of war, spells and weapons lean a lot more toward favouring gank scenarios. I would much rather take a 1v5 gravelord situation head on than take a 1v3 in Elden ring.
In order to win against even a slightly competent co-op party you have to put in an immense amount of effort which just completely turns me off from the game, and do not get me started on the gank squads that just sit in clear open fields where they have killed all the enemies in the area and have scientifically engineered their builds to be as annoying and miserable to go against in a gank scenario.
It’s also a much more chaotic and enjoyable experience the more players there are in the world, makes the world and pvp as a whole feel more alive and fun.
Also, most level enemies can easily be trampled by 3 co-op players, and for the small minority of enemies which don’t immediately crumble then they can just retreat or run to the boss room or a more advantageous position.
Invasions in the old games absolutely took place to ruin someone’s time. Rewards or not. It’s hard to ruin someone’s time in Elden Ring when there are graces and stakes of Marika everywhere. In the old games you had to run the level over from the beginning.
I'd love if they included something akin to Rune Arc shops
I mean, most souls games pvp last around a good 6-8 months.
You can still find matches pretty commonly in Elden Ring and DS3 (and still get invaded in DS1 & 2 commonly as well).
I think in ER case, it’s more harder for it to have a longer lifespan for the pvp because there’s no covenants.
Without covenants with no unique rewards and even the whole ideology of the covenant itself and why you wanna rep it, I see no point in doing its pvp for longs periods of time.
just imo tho
I play with the tongue active doesn't feel like a souls game without being invading
I miss covenant and organic random invasions so much :(
I didnt know about PVP in the previous dark souls games, i was just starting off with DS3, and later Bloodborne, Sekiro, and now Elden Ring, and didnt get much into the PVP cuz DS3 was hard enough in story mode lol. But i can say I ABSOLUTELY HATE invaders when im playing with my husband and son, and were just trying to play happily together and an invader jumps in with an OP BUILD and wrecks us, like...now we gotta start over from the previous grace, and redo the stuff again, we get SO UPSET. Honestly i wish they would divide the co-op pool from the pvp pool, like im NOT HERE for PVP at all, especially being at lower levels against broken builds.
One main issue to balance the invasions is the lack of seeds of the giants, I used to play ds3 all alone and let everyone invade but if the invader gets destroy and run to the mobs (happens 95% of the time) I'll use a seed of the giants, and the unfairly advantage of duping, there is always a invader with maxed out usable items, that is a huge advantage, and it's unfair because pvpers never farm, they dupe, that's what kill the pvp and invasions, the cheat engine and the lack of balance and reason to invade
SOGT would be the absolute worst idea for ER.
100% of the time invaders get destroyed in ER PvP its because its a 3v1 with projectile spam and 100% of the time we run to the PvE is to balance out the odds because 1v1 hosts fold like lawn chairs lol.
@@AcidMartyr exactly
I'm gonna be real; not having a dedicated arena on launch like in DkS2, and making it an update thing was pretty rough, no covenants was a choice, and making the blue sentinel equivalent the least enjoyable version for the invader/defender was also another choice. . .
I still feel like my favorite experiences with invasions (both red and blue) was DkS2 and DkS3; thanks in large part to ER just not having any real incentive to engage with the mechanics at all. DkS2 allowed invasions after bosses being defeated, had arenas that functioned as ways to up your PvP rank outside of invasions for both the reds and the blues (which comes in handy for the blues since it stopped working as well), and it also had more dedicated dueling covenants in the dragons. DkS3 didn't launch with a proper arena; but it still had an active PvP area in the base game, where a ton of players could join in (even to this day), and while it sucked to have to pay for it; the arena was a damn fine addition.
ER got a lot right when it came to certain PvP things though; finally making PvE balance its own thing would've been something that DkS2 and DkS3 players would've loved, and the arena having dumb fun modes with spirit ashes was a brilliant idea. I just wish there was actual incentives to doing any of the PvP. I don't need trophies tied to it (screw that), but just some cool rewards to show off would've made it a lot cooler.
Based on your wishes it sounds like you want to play mmo pvp, plenty of stuff like that in other games bruv.
No, he said he wanted rewards which the other games gave you all sorts of stuff through covenants. This game gives zero reason besides getting ganked by spell spammers.
Your reading comprehension is low so doubt you made it through this either
@@TheFondalizer I never understand this argument, please explain it to me. I used to play a ton of souls pvp, thousands of hours in the undead burg. In Dark Souls 1, 2, or 3 the most a covenant would ever ask of you was about 30 items. Assuming you win about half your invasion attempts, thats about 60 invasions. Let's even call it 100 invasions. People that play pvp in these games play way more than 100 matches. What are you doing with your stack of 99 tongues? What are you doing with your 99 soft humanity in dark souls 1? The 11 billion souls you have on your pvp character that you spend on nothing. These games never really had pvp rewards, pvp was the reward. How do you derive fun from covenants when it's weeks, months, years down the line? Genuine question
Covenants add what can be seen to most in the PvP scene as goals to set, either for achieving a build or just for the clout; most of which can be achieved with less fun offline methods tbf, but it gave each new run at least the option of hopping on the treadmill and inevitably going against someone to try and keep PvP alive. The rewards; even after achieved, gave you a reason to have gone through your first couple PvP interactions, usually (but not always) getting those interested after messing with it to stick around and play PvP for the sake of it.
Without them; you are playing potentially "1000s of hours" of PvP entirely for the sake of it; there's no reward structure to show what you achieved playing, there's no RP element tied to even working for the Recusants or Bloody Fingers, there's no incentive to engage with it outside of the want to play it, and when you start up a new character, you are essentially only tied to whatever you unlock in the open world/through progress. This would be perfectly fine; and it DOES work for a lot of the newer playerbase that just want to engage in invasions (or ganks, ugh); but for some of us that actually enjoyed doing PvP for the above mentioned reasons, it takes a lot of the joy out of the experience.
TL;DR Not having them makes the time spent in PvP very streamlined, with little to no incentive to engage with PvP outside of wanting to do PvP. it doesn't entice new players in, and it turns returning players off that want that dopamine hit of rewards.
*edit: also should mention having coop/defender covenants as rewards is nice for getting people to help new people; though most players are in for coop for the sake of it nowadays. And Blues got the worst of both worlds really; with no unique sinner invasions, or having to either join a gank/be miles away from any invasion lol
For me, the fastest way to drive me away from gear is to tie it to PvP. I will never get weapons, armor, items, etc. that are tied to PvP.
If we can't get 6 player open field pvp like the arena, I'm hoping the pve in the dlc helps even the odds. More density is good. Also if they cut back to 1 coop and allowed spirit summons in open field pvp that would be rad. Spirit summons in pvp need to be experimented with more. Would love to summon my own co-invader for LOLs
I have loads of fun in the coliseum. It’s not AS fun as invasions and fight clubs but it’s quick and convenient and I don’t run into toxic people that often. I do sorta think PvP is an arms race to see who can be the most OP which makes sense but isn’t that fun but it’s easily remedied by getting good and being better than the other players
Only if they fix the netcode and/or the matchmaking regions
Some bugs and unintended mechanics that were in DS1 pvp are still present in ER pvp. We had phantom range in Demon Souls and we still have it now 15 years later. Move on, there are way better online pvp games out there, like actual fighting games for example.
@@TonguelessDanny fighting games are alright but I can't make cool and unique builds in 'em, nor can you invade or be invaded.
I'd be happy to move on if any other games came close to the experience you can get from souls PvP but unfortunately that's just not the case.
Not gonna happen
@@HanusManus they gave AC6 more than just the usual BS Japan and the rest of the world matchmaking regions, so I've been huffing copium hoping they'll at least do that much but yeah, pretty unlikely.
If anything i want the mad spirits (purples) back, Could help or hinder the persons who world you enter. It was a fun little twist on things. Give them their own player slot and move blues to a limit of 1 and have them on their own slot as well
I think a randomized rotation of rewards for winning your side would help things also
lol for the first step gank squads I always go to a crevice next to a cliff and spam radagons colossal AoW
I’m totally fine with not being invaded when I’m playing solo.
I usually play in offline mode so I can immerse myself in the world and story, but I did enjoy Varre's questline and wish there was more to it. It felt abruptly cut off, and it made me sad. There should have been some method of leveling up with him that awarded blood incantations/spells and a unique bleed weapon of some kind.
I did find that invading for his quest took forever to finally give me someone, and they were far higher level than me when I got there. (I was around level 30 I think)
When I do take time to play online, I 99% of the time summon in as a cooperator, and even though some invasions while I'm summoned are difficult, the majority of invaders get stomped, and it makes me feel bad for them.
invading tends to match you up with higher levels then you.. but only by 20 levels + 10% not more
@junoglrr9119
Really? Damn. I got one shot by 2 of my 3 invasions, lol.
I admit though that my combat prowess is lacking. I choose everything but health to upgrade.
i have played all the souls pvp gamesand one thing be sure. always expect the one shot :D
people find their ways@@rynether9878
If it's a choice between resources going to pvp or going to story content, I would choose story content every time.
There should be solo invasions but only during dungeons or enclosed areas like Leyndell. That way you could know if there were a chance of it to happen.
I’ll be using Seamless Coop anyway, so I don’t really care. Getting invaded by turbo twinks every 10 minutes who abuse meta & glitches (& sometimes literal cheats) & locking us into no-teleport no-leaving-current-zone indefinitely while I’m just trying to introduce my inexperienced friends to the amazing game is simply a no thanks for me, dawg.
Seamless Coop forever
this speaks to some of the problems i think er pvp has. without covenants, you have no extrinsic motivation nor role play reason to invade, so the only incentive to invade is the intrinsic motivation of ruining someone's experience, which added onto invaders being constantly ganked, you end up in a situation in which the majority of invaders are filtered to be high skill, and motivated by being toxic, with this being pretty bad for coop players.
compared to ds3, where i invaded for a playthrough just for the role playing of being a rosaria's finger, i have no reason to engage with pvp. that playthrough had some memorable moments of chasing a host through second half catacombs down to smoldering lake, with all of their cooperators dying on the way, to getting two twinned tongues from an anor londo invasion, and being happy with not killing the host. for as many invasions i succeeded, i also failed invasions, and i worry that invasions in this "bolted on" state that elden ring will lead to everyone just having a negative experience of invasions, especially hosts.
You're assuming invaders are motivated by toxicity, which is complete crap.
@@hoked2194 yeah my dual Vykes spears oneshotting Stormveil newbies in 10 seconds is motivated by a desire for a memorable fun competitive experience
@@metalsludge8205congratulations, have you impressed yourself yet?
@@hoked2194he didn’t assume though, he gave thought out reasoning as to why motivation for invaders are low in Elden Ring. You’re just not happy with those reasons so you’re lashing out saying they made an assumption because you probably feel attacked or something.
We live in a world where you can write a well thought out opinion with supporting evidence to back it up you get morons that say “stop assuming🤓”
I agree with your comment, and especially so when high skill players come in purposely unbalanced for the invasion.
I haven’t even watched the video yet, but covenants, invasion rewards, and single host invasions (with rune arc) would do so much
I think a good way to introduce a ideal pvp setting with a player would be with the volcano manor invasions of tarnished. How I imagine it working would be that a random player just looking for fun can choose to be a target in the already existing areas to fight npc tarnished. I am saying this as a elden ring exclusive player so I don’t know if this would actually work in practice and I also would like new invasion specific encounters and possible story lines added rather than rehashing already made ones.
Never mind pvp just make a good coop system.
This is a really good video. I am so disappointed that there's no covenants in ER. if there were, I'd play the pvp everyday.
Being able to win an invasion would be huge confidence boost to engage in pvp, but it's a long way for new player to even dream of that. If only new players could be teamed against new players...
When I was playing DS1-3, i considered all invasions inevitable deaths. I would still try to pull a fight, but you can imagine what a newbie could do. IIRC only invasion I won was when some poor soul found me in banned pool (I don't think they were an NPC although I'm not sure).
Ironically, I started enjoying PvP only in ER. After I had ~6 months of experience. Even taunter's tongue invasions were thrilling, as it wasn't an inevitable loss. It was more like a test, will I survive this invasion or not. Although I can agree that this system could see some improvements. For example, opt-in or opt-out system of solo-host invasions with normal timer: more hosts would engage it (as invasions wouldn't get overwhelming) so invaders would have wider selection of hosts. Although solo hosts might still be at disadvantage, as invaders would be prepared to deal with 2-3 foes, and a single opponent would be an easy kill... idk.
Forced invasions solo invasions without opting out (or with debuffs on doing that) might outright ruin a player experience. In previous games, death would lead to loss of all area progress, and that was very annoying. In ER areas are much larger, thus it would be even more frustrating. And a new player has almost no chances of winning against invader who is prepared for worst case.
I have no PvP mindset, I cannot even invade: I either just die or kill host and feel sorry for that. But I think it's worth considering how possible PvP fixes might impact other players' experience.
I would love covenants. Working through different areas where you can be a follower of each Great rune.
It's clear to me that Fromsoftware is trying to move away from PVP in the souls formula.
It is always more than a few marks in quality below the bar set by the PvE and Co-op. At this point it feels like it only exists out of tradition, because the vast majority of players do not want to engage in PVP while they are exploring a 99% solo experience.
Every souls game is plagued by criticism of the PvP systems. Endlessly the fans of PvP criticize the systems, while the fans of PvE crap on the games because of the forced PvP scenarios.
Most people fall into the PvE enjoyers, this is main focus of these games. I don't anticipate any PvP changes for the DLC, and the next souls game they make possible may not have PvP at all.
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I hope the next game removes PvP completely so they can just focus on balancing a good PvE experience. FromSoft PvP has always been hot garbage and I never understood why people like it. I guess they’ve just never played an action game with good PvP before? Lol
@Ixb3rs3rkxI okay, come on now. I tagged this comment to argue with people who disagree. Not with people agreeing.
There is absolutely a niche that the souls pvp fills. Especially when you consider that it's an invasion mechanic, which is rare.
Becuase pvp in solo was never balanced for the host, it always favoured the invader, they literally have to deal with enemies in the world and another player, how is that ever fair unless the invader chooses to play nice
Completely wrong.
They added new mechanics for invaders specifically for PvP. For example, the host compass, and the phantom bloody finger.
Most of the balance patches the latter end of ERs lifespan were PvP specific. The idea that they don’t care or are putting it aside is just blatantly wrong!
Just because most players don’t like it doesn’t really matter. The fact that From does what they want despite new fans whining is the most appealing thing about them.
To be honest let it go please. its really annoying being invaded by people with cave man brains. Who go on UA-cam to look up meta builds and spam L2. Creativity has gone out the window by UA-camrs and Streamers who ruined online. Not just Elden Ring but any game. Which is sad because invasions can be fun sometimes, but the sometimes gets outshined by misery.
Varre’s quest has a pve option, but that npc invasion is in Altus plateau. Worth the wait and easier overall,imo
Hey Zio, to change subjects I have changed my position on that DLC sigil. After seeing a few other videos on George RR Martin's books I have come to the conclusion that Messmer has some common plot to "Daenerys Targaryen" from GoT and that emblem on the left hand side is in fact a dragon of some sort (faction) that we will not know until the DLC hits. There are just too many common threads to deny. I also think we will see a lot about Marika's background in the DLC. Messmer is part dragon (not through communion) and what part Marika has in that I guess we will have to wait and see.
I mean the House of Targayen's sigil is a 3 headed dragon after all. It just all adds up.
As it is now, I only see PvP as something holding back ER. So many nerfs, so many fun things suffered functionality changes because of "PvP" and what was "meta". And that is just the things we know, because we are unaware of all the things that were never released because it would be a problem to balance or make it work in PvP. I would prefer PvP dead than PvE. Alternatively, I wouldnt mind PvP existing more dissociated from PvE.
This 100%
That's just false tho. They have a system to nerf stuff only for PvP, which they use extensively. If they nerfed something in PvE too, it's not because of PvP. It's because they wanted it worse in PvE.
@@fullfildreamz No, they have a way to nerf *few numbers* only for PvP. Take Bloodhound Step as example. Nerfing the frames related to the AoW affects both PvE and PvP. No one in PvE had problems with how it worked before, but in PvP you could hear people crying and complaining from the other side of the earth. If it wasnt PvP complaints, From would never even look back at this AoW.
@@KodFrostwrath but before it was cheap, now like this it's fairer, you no longer look like a monkey spamming with L2.
@@KodFrostwrath And? Just don't spam it. The game isn't supposed to be easy. They would've changed Bloodhound's Step either way. They did that with many things that had no bearing on PvP. They've also done that in past games too, like Dark Souls 3 for example.
I think simply adding a reward system and a dedicated invasion area would fix our issue. I would love to see covenants return but seeing as how PvP has never been very important in Elden, I have doubts that it will. Dark Souls was so different in regards to invasions as it really was a PART of the game and probably the biggest selling point for me. The most fun I've had in Souls were from invasions whether it was me getting invaded or being the invader
Covenants and covenant rewards were dope made it feel like a community or gang and you got sick rewards for it spells and weapons the dedication paid off
They need to reintroduce a covenant system with the dlc that's even better than previous versions. Im talking actual FACTIONS. All the key demi gods should basically get their own ie Rykards covenant would offer rewards relevant to his school of magic or weapons. And naturally you would need a new covenant item system such as unique currency and a banner you would equip that represents that covenant and symbolizes your allegenience ie f you equipped Rennala's covenant banner, you get a unique meteor star item that serves as the currency for acquiring rewards for said covenant. In addition, there would also be rivalries/allies between covenants and the currency is rewarded based on your interaction with rival/ally covenant players. Area based multiplayer interactions. Etc
Elden Ring has my favourite PVP in any souls game because it's the easiest to avoid.
Can't you just play offline in every souls game?
@@axel9473 Yeah, that's usually what I do. It's a shame though because I like the funny messages
If it continues this way next game won't have PvP or messages
@@nicolasvenezuelaverde1184 Why would they get rid of messages? Nobody has any issue with the messages? No PvP would be no loss at all imo
I feel like for pvp specific to colloseum they should have separated stats where it's limited a certain level so that way people who are over leveled can join pvp without making a new character, like a lvl 250 but when they join pvp they become around 125. Which would allow more people to join a larger group of colloseum/pvp enjoyers because it's capped at a specific lvl. I also think if they can separate status buffs into pve and pvp, then they should cap the damage output in pvp so that way people won't get pissed about getting 1 shot by some bs. And I also like the point where you said they should have a goal for people to work towards.
I've been invading and helping out since launch. The main reason is no incentives for invading or helping out. Covenants would definitely make invading and helping out more worthwhile. For instance, a talisman/weapon that can only be obtained through succesful invasions. Just a thought
imo it was always an afterthought. fromsoft doesn't make multiplayer games - they make games and put some form of multiplayer into them.
Yeah Souls games and Elden Ring are ALWAYS PvE first and thats good.
This is a good plan tbh
The underlying message of your video is that colosseum is not fun because you don't get to kill a player that's playing the game for pve.
intelligent take actually (crazy amounts of sarcasm)
All I heard was Dark Souls 3 is better than Elden Ring!
Right is right
If you're playing the game for pve, go offline idiot
It seems to be a trend that the multi-player aspects of games are going to focus on pve while restricting pvp. Look at helldivers 2 and even deep rock galactic. Let's hope they add something in future patches
A trend? Deep rock is decently old, ER is just a variation of past games, and Helldivers is the only new one.
Alright alright hear me out. If the devs could find a way to further reduce the fantom range of certain weapons and attacks it would help pvp massively. Also fantom rocking if status effects is a massive issue that needs to go. Many players rely on the fact that if they keep swinging there eventually going to proc their status types. And finally as you mentioned there aren't many situations where invades aren't outnumbered. That becomes a larger problem in high lvs due to spell spam
Also I feel like the devs do listen so at the very least In there future titles they will more than likely have 6 player invasions and factions but pvp will definitely not die out as you said pvpers will have tons of new items for builds to play with pvp is these games long term life
Extinct? I can’t not be invaded back to back still even in new game 5 😂 maybe the so called community is dead but the players are still thriving
I turned off online play the minute I loaded the game for the first time. Never looked back.
bro why? multiplayer is a really fun part of the game!
Covenant of the grafter: every successful kill gives you a limb, you consume them and with the goddrick rune you get one level per consumed limb
Yeah, I doubt it's the END of souls or ER pvp. I wouldn't even say the pvp in ER is soulless, nor do I see the pvp just being about abusing broken builds. Maybe when the game first came out, but not these days.
Most "casual" players dont engage with pvp much or at all. This is true for all souls games. Adding these types of rewards would be great, but I don't think it would change that. The pvp of these games will always give the impression that it's "dying" because it'll likely always be more niche.
Exactly.
I get invasions anytime I log on. It’s not dead. I think people that are obsessed with fight clubs just got bored, and somehow two more players would “fix” fight clubs or something.
If you do invasions there’s plenty of PvP to be had.
I remember in Dark Souls 3 pvp you couldn't take a step forward as a mage without instantly losing, so no, I don't consider DS3 Straight Sword meta to be better.
I must be one of the ones he's describing, because ER was my first souls game (bought right after drop.) and have never, probably WILL never, even be interested in PVP. PVE is legit good enough for me. You cant use your favorite weapons in PVP because of telegraphed movement, anyway, and i dont like the main styles people end up having to come up with to even stand a chance. I stick with AI enemies, and play offline for this reason.
Well you just suck then. Telegraphing happens with literally every weapon and not liking the style people use to fight just sounds like a convenient way to say you got vigorchecked
Needs to be a ranking system in Coliseums.
Adding weapons and armor specific to pvp would be amazing
PvP will definitely not die out quickly if things stay the same simply because of how popular this game is compared to souls games & there will be a continuous flow of hosts with phantoms going through the DLC for a long while. It’s not pvp players that keep the game active. It’s actually coop that plays a major part in keeping a game like this alive because without that there would be no invasions.
I would be soooooo happy with 1 little area out in the world that had 3v3 fights and solo host invasions
Man I want to complete vares quest but I can’t get into any pvp matches just started this game didn’t think that it would already be dead it’s only 2 years old
You’re right on the money with all of your points. Reward system should be top priority. The currency is basically already there with Rune Arcs. Once the novelty wears off, no one really uses them for the buffs in PVE anymore. A universal rune arc shop with new weapons, armor, spells, accessories, larval tears, etc would be a game changer.
Then on top of that, they could expand so much on the coliseum experiences like you touched on. Factions/Covenants. Hosted fight clubs. Onboarding/tutorials, etc.
Lastly - more in regards to onboarding, I thought both Varre’s quest, and the side quest to get the great jar’s arsenal were great ideas. More of that, please.
PVP needs an overhaul. The only reason I play these games!
In elden ring I really don’t like invasions since I just want to get through the game with a friend. So I don’t like when I just get invaded by some one who just kills both of us in 2 hits while we’re we’re also busy fighting a mini boss like Smarag I’ve even had cases where an invader tries to attack us gets hit once and then just hides somewhere in the back of the map and if I try playing the game I’ll just get shot with a charged shot with Loretta’s great bow it really just killed the entire game for me I don’t know how Fromsoft could pull this of but it be great if we could just turn off invasions
I came into these games through Elden ring and I love when I find the fight clubs, really wish their was more.
It needs something like a team game with the like of CTF(capture the flag), base defensive or offensive with everyone with the same health and or picking up health. It needs more long range weapons and the knife throwing and the crossbow from the DLC should help.
Don't think streamlined health is needed. Just upgrade vigor.
The majority of invaders in elden ring are skilled and well equipped. This was the case in dark souls 2 and 3 as well. The problem was that the host was no prepared for pvp and he was doomed while he was fighting pve and pvp simultaneously. Elden ring did the right thing and stopped this huge disadvantage by giving the host the option to have assistance. I agree with the covenants though. It is a great pvp system. Oh and last but not least, pvp isn't dead in elden ring. Invaders are everywhere, all the time and they are pretty deadly.
I do agree with you that there are invaders around and are pretty deadly. We want dedicated PVP areas like Pontiff from 3 and an incentive to participate in PVP to entice people in.
If Elden Ring combined Bloodborne's and Dark Souls 3's multiplayer features plus its own new features, it would have been perfect.
I've always wanted a menu in which you could choose to personalize your co-op / pvp experience.
For example, a toggle to turn on and off solo invasions and invasions in general, a toggle to switch between 4 player worlds and 6 player worlds, a way to set the level matchmaking system, etc.
If they did it in the way i see it, it would have been perfect.
It would have been cool if they added a way similar to DS3's covenants to interact with the multiplayer.
Like- they could have added rings.
Each ring could have done something different.
Maybe the Ring of Liurnia would have allowed you to become a protector of Liurnia, thus making it similar to DS3's PVP covenants
And the list would go on and on.
If only it was actually true...
the 4 player limit in ER is almost certainly for performance reasons, 6 player in the open world is probably something their janky netcode can't handle
A toggle off of invasions would be amazing.
Gank City in DSIII was the best! was really hoping for something like that in the coliseums. Also love to have more DLC's for DSII,III and Serkiro
Covenant rewards are truly just 'in game' excuses to hide behind to cover for the fact you only get off on fighting someone who isn't willing or prepared to fight back... Sick mentality and I'm 1000% glad Elden Ring made this change.
the invasion system is fine, u
you bunch of sweaty reds need to realise this is a PVE-GAME
Hot take I love the Forlorn invader in DS2. Him invading randomly all over at the worst times makes me laugh every time. That guy in the snow DLC that back stabbs you when you open a chest is great too
L2 Ring pvp is sad. Just spam spinning slash, dragon breath. FS can’t decide if you should be able to poise tank nukes, or get stunlocked to death by getting grazed a throwing knife. Anyone who gaslights themselves into thinking ER pvp is competitive or has any player expression has their brain cells dribbling out their nose. i.e. Jeewhine
oh no! another "im smarter than the rest of you idiots that dont agree with me" take. What ever shall we do? lmao.
Well, considering ur username is a Batman reference, and you sign off your messages with “lmao”, then yeah I’d say it probably doesn’t take much to be counted as smarter than you. Dumbass LMAO
I just know you larp as the Joker by yourself. Get some meds bro, the Joker ain’t that edgy.
G9 is a pretty stupid fellow, but believing ER players can’t be expressive with the hundred possible different builds just might be worse.
Like, sure, it’s true when you try to reduce all builds to the most efficient ones, where only wins matter. But, it’s ER, anyone doing that, trying to make PvP competitive, instead of playing the game’s setting and expectations… is playing the wrong way. The way alluded to when you hear “gamers will optimize the fun out of a game.” Pvp isn’t about winning, it’s about fighting other players. Winning just might be less than a tertiary goal.
Way to miss the point so astronomically. Sure, you go try your special snowflake blood magic/flail build against a gank full of dragon breath spells, and you let me know how you got to express yourself.
Watch any fighting game, even the most brain dead easy ones, and most two players will play the same character completely differently. But sure man, if you think R1, R1, R1 and a few random L2’s is you expressing yourself with your bubble blower build, then I’m happy for you dude. In that aspect you actually are very unique.
I don’t think pvp has ever been a large part of the series….i play the 1v1 arena and it takes like 5 min to get a match
I don't think they should lock content behind pvp, as it's just a minigame. But they could make it so you can get or buy rare items like some people have mentioned already. Things like starlight shards, larval tears, rune arcs, ancient stones, etc.
yes. because if there are 4 people instead of 6 trying to have fun its just not possible. ridiculous.
pvp fans when they realise pvp is a secondary feature to the main game and not a priority: 🤯🤯🤯
It’s not even just PvP it’s also PvE player cap, imagine being able to summon 6 people(5)to kill your favorite boss or whatever instead of just being locked at 3
@@vongolamistowl pvp is the reason people keep playing these games for years. Elden ring is the first game to put pvp on the side and its worse for it. what am i supposed to do after i beat the game, what objectives does the game have for me to keep me around? PVP is the end game, after you beat these games you come back to perfect your builds. its the thing that lets you hone your knowledge of the game.
6 different builds with 6 different people playing them gives a lot more variety, people keep playing these games for years because of the unique interactions in pvp.
@@loneperspective people always say this however they never are able to prove thats true, how do you know that pvp keeps the playerbase and not the pve.
Every time i play these games i rarely get invaded yet always see the co-op summonig signs and only see the red signs on specific areas and not that many.