I have read about these in Cycleworld and Motorcyclist mags since around 1980 but could only imagine what they sounded like from the writer's description. I especially wanted to hear the Scott Squirrel. I have seen most in museums but have never run across any in the wild. Pretty cool!
Well in the video I’ve been luck to have tried 3 The Scott the BSA and the Panther of course All fantastic to ride in their own way would be nice to try the other two but the Ariel is very rare My son was offered a ride on the Vincent in th3 video and turned it down because he knew how much it was worth Twit 😂😂
you missed a hell of a doo last Saturday e TOMCC do. 350 bikes turned out and about 450-500 folk. was excellent will keep you in the loop for next year
I no had to take the Wife to wales Dolphin watching Thing got postponed and she re-arranged it for last weekend I’ve banked the brownie points I was looking forward to it too and you had perfect weather Dam it
Superb. Short, sharp, fascinating. The one Panther I know I've seen was just the engine - 600 or 650 I guess - in a Chopper frame just parked regularly in a street of Earls COurt Rd. Ooh? 77 or 78. Weird one - but some sort of top 5 motorcycle combination vid?
It's many years since I used two-wheeled transport, but in my student days in the mid 1960s, I saw many motorcycles in the area where I used to park. I was always fascinated by the size and the looks of machines like the Ariel Square Four, but one that always caught my eye was a Sunbeam twin cylinder shaft drive machine which had been fitted with fuel injectors. I've no idea whether this was standard or an enthusiast's modification! I thoroughly enjoy wallowing in your videos of specific collections! Quite apart from the nostalgia factor, they never fail to impress with interest and facts, and they give excellent illustrations of the evolution of the motor cycle. Many thanks, and keep them coming!
Thanks for another gem of a video! I'd be interested in a video of the Japanese thumpers of the '70s, I e. Honda XL/XR's, Yamaha XT/TT's, Suzuki SP/DR's.
Do you think that there were too many small producers? If some of them could have joined resources somehow like NVT in the end that some marques would still be in production.
Well that’s part of the problem In other countries the smaller companies went bust in the late 50s and early 60s People always blame the Japanese but the industry was on its knees already by then Small companies were indeed too small and the larger ones spread themselves too thinly. Matchless spent their money buying smaller companies instead of modernising the works and BSA group had its eggs in just too many baskets and the management lost interest in bikes The US government proper up Harley but the UK government of the 80s had no interest in manufacturing Idiots
It was originally called a Brooklands can Brooklands circuit was very near housing so to offset complaints about the noise all competitors were obliged to fit the silencer. Because of the association with racing it became very popular and companies and individuals started fitting to road going bikes
Deviating a bit , does anyone remember those 14 gear 2 srokes , forgotten the name, but the screaming accelreton of a 150 scared the S out of me on a trial
Deviating a bit ! A lot more like In answer however I don’t remember a road bike with that many gears but 60s Suzuki 50cc GP bikes did Unless they made a road going bike with a high low box which would sort of count
It appears that Rover was established by James Stanley’s son and John kemp Stanley who was James nephew Every day is a school day Not a car guy but I do like a good Rover, SD 3.5 obviously a favourite They produced motorcycles also until the end of the 20s which had a very good reputation for quality, only ever seen a few lovely bikes
James Starley invented the differential gear and the perfection of the bicycle chain drive. He's regarded as the father of the bicycle industry. Starley made Penny-Fathing bicyles with William Hillman, who later (1875) founded Hillman, making bicycles, then cars. Hillman's daughter Margaret married John Black, who was later chairman of Standard-Triumph, and Edith married Spencer Wilks of Rover. There is a memorial to James Starley, in Warwick Row, Coventry; it was erected in 1884. As you discovered, John Kemp Starley was James Starley's nephew. Coventry, as the centre for British bicycle manufacture in the early 1890's turned out a combined 300,000 units per year, the highest concentration in the world. In 1896 Rudge-Whitworth alone produced some 75,000 units. At that time approximately 40,000 people in Coventry were involved in bicycle manfacture, being some two thirds of the city's working population. Rover started making motorcycles for sale in 1909 (they experimented with them in 1898); post WWI they had 654 cc JAP V-Twins, including a TT model by 1921. Due to their strong car production, Rover motorcycles were discontinued in 1927.
Only room for 5 Any fool can watch a video and say what isn’t in there can’t they No c90 either 😂😂😂 Most companies made a slopers at this time what about the Triumph X175 Or New imperial ? You didn’t ask about them either If I’d put every single sloper into one video it would be Long so no views and importantly it would be just the one rather long one video If I limit to 5 per video more people watch more videos A total no brainer This way I can put another video together and include the Calthorpe Or not next time The point is to consider what’s in a video rather than what is not don’t you think ?
Superb Video ! in my ( alas long past youth as an apprentice) i had this long standing argument with an older Technician , maybe 8 years older than me, who said that MZ brand ( MZ fanatic and owner) was the first of the racing 2 strokes. I respected MZ, but not necessarily my Older workmates comprension of time scale. For instance its documented that in pre war 2 , DKW competed in racing events with a Split cylinder , super charged ( expansion chambered) 350 cc 2 stroke. ? if wrong i stand corrected. BUT i like you identification of just how advanced the Scott 2 strokes are. Superb video !!, IF, you dont mind being set a challenge ? how about , exploring the actual Motorcycle makers that deployed the Minareli 50cc engines.?
@@jezztech so was I I did couple of videos on eastern bloc bikes which featured a flat twin MZ from the 50s. Possibly the only two stroke boxer ever produced Also covered mopeds in a few videos too The DKW had a secondary piston at the bottom of the engine which pressurised the crank case, so not a supercharger in the usual sense I suppose The exhaust system wasn’t an expansion chamber system, that one was MZ, in GPS at least Scott’s intternals used a stepped piston for and had a single transfer port at the rear of the cylinder which could be removed for cleaning. The crank was complete so you could replace the big ends at the road side. Only ever ridden one and that had the twin chain transmission, you rocked the footplate forward for first and back for second, neutral was level. There was no clutch you gave it the beans and gently pushed the footplate forward Advanced features were Upside down telescopic forks The worlds first kick start Absolute beast of a thing
Good job. You write your scripts so well.
Script ?
Only joking
Thanks
I have read about these in Cycleworld and Motorcyclist mags since around 1980 but could only imagine what they sounded like from the writer's description. I especially wanted to hear the Scott Squirrel. I have seen most in museums but have never run across any in the wild. Pretty cool!
Well in the video I’ve been luck to have tried 3
The Scott the BSA and the Panther of course
All fantastic to ride in their own way would be nice to try the other two but the Ariel is very rare
My son was offered a ride on the Vincent in th3 video and turned it down because he knew how much it was worth
Twit 😂😂
Love those fish tail exhausts.
Oh the Brooklands can they do look pretty snazzy
Great video
Well done 👏
Thanks
More awesome bike to admire. Most of these I've never heard of. Thanks for sharing. Ride safe and take care. Cheers
Hopefully you found it informative
I’ve only ridden three of them myself
Love to try the other two someday
@@bikerdood1100 I do. I always learn new things watching your videos. Cheers
Remember seeing the Panthers with a sidecar , on every stroke the side car fell behind in a jerk
Well only at tike over
As you can see with the one I’m riding in the video the purr along rather quicker than that
you missed a hell of a doo last Saturday e TOMCC do. 350 bikes turned out and about 450-500 folk. was excellent will keep you in the loop for next year
I no had to take the Wife to wales
Dolphin watching
Thing got postponed and she re-arranged it for last weekend
I’ve banked the brownie points
I was looking forward to it too and you had perfect weather
Dam it
Superb. Short, sharp, fascinating. The one Panther I know I've seen was just the engine - 600 or 650 I guess - in a Chopper frame just parked regularly in a street of Earls COurt Rd. Ooh? 77 or 78. Weird one - but some sort of top 5 motorcycle combination vid?
In a chopper 🤦
Shameful
😂😂
Blimey, an XJ 650 Turbo behind the Vincent Comet.
I used to own one of these.
Definitely a period piece
It's many years since I used two-wheeled transport, but in my student days in the mid 1960s, I saw many motorcycles in the area where I used to park. I was always fascinated by the size and the looks of machines like the Ariel Square Four, but one that always caught my eye was a Sunbeam twin cylinder shaft drive machine which had been fitted with fuel injectors. I've no idea whether this was standard or an enthusiast's modification!
I thoroughly enjoy wallowing in your videos of specific collections! Quite apart from the nostalgia factor, they never fail to impress with interest and facts, and they give excellent illustrations of the evolution of the motor cycle. Many thanks, and keep them coming!
That would be an S7 or S8
And definitely not Standard
It would be interesting to see post war British sidecars.
Been considering that one for a while
Thanks for another gem of a video!
I'd be interested in a video of the Japanese thumpers of the '70s, I e. Honda XL/XR's, Yamaha XT/TT's, Suzuki SP/DR's.
Did one on big trail bikes that included some of these
I think a gentle sloping engine is more aesthetic than a horizontal one. For exemple the T160 over the 150.
I’d would tend to agree
Looks like a BSA at Curborough
Correct
A very fun day it was too
Am I assuming correctly that a "sloper"is in reference to the angle of the engine head?
Well the top end
Do you think that there were too many small producers? If some of them could have joined resources somehow like NVT in the end that some marques would still be in production.
Well that’s part of the problem
In other countries the smaller companies went bust in the late 50s and early 60s
People always blame the Japanese but the industry was on its knees already by then
Small companies were indeed too small and the larger ones spread themselves too thinly. Matchless spent their money buying smaller companies instead of modernising the works and BSA group had its eggs in just too many baskets and the management lost interest in bikes
The US government proper up Harley but the UK government of the 80s had no interest in manufacturing
Idiots
Was there any advantage to the fish tail exhaust or was it the style of the times.
It was originally called a Brooklands can
Brooklands circuit was very near housing so to offset complaints about the noise all competitors were obliged to fit the silencer.
Because of the association with racing it became very popular and companies and individuals started fitting to road going bikes
Deviating a bit , does anyone remember those 14 gear 2 srokes , forgotten the name, but the screaming accelreton of a 150 scared the S out of me on a trial
Deviating a bit !
A lot more like
In answer however
I don’t remember a road bike with that many gears but 60s Suzuki 50cc GP bikes did
Unless they made a road going bike with a high low box which would sort of count
was james starley related to john kemp starley, inventor of the safety bicycle and thereby the rover company?
Interesting question
Very likely given the Midlands link
It appears that Rover was established by James Stanley’s son and John kemp Stanley who was James nephew
Every day is a school day
Not a car guy but I do like a good Rover, SD 3.5 obviously a favourite
They produced motorcycles also until the end of the 20s which had a very good reputation for quality, only ever seen a few lovely bikes
James Starley invented the differential gear and the perfection of the bicycle chain drive. He's regarded as the father of the bicycle industry. Starley made Penny-Fathing bicyles with William Hillman, who later (1875) founded Hillman, making bicycles, then cars. Hillman's daughter Margaret married John Black, who was later chairman of Standard-Triumph, and Edith married Spencer Wilks of Rover. There is a memorial to James Starley, in Warwick Row, Coventry; it was erected in 1884. As you discovered, John Kemp Starley was James Starley's nephew.
Coventry, as the centre for British bicycle manufacture in the early 1890's turned out a combined 300,000 units per year, the highest concentration in the world. In 1896 Rudge-Whitworth alone produced some 75,000 units. At that time approximately 40,000 people in Coventry were involved in bicycle manfacture, being some two thirds of the city's working population.
Rover started making motorcycles for sale in 1909 (they experimented with them in 1898); post WWI they had 654 cc JAP V-Twins, including a TT model by 1921. Due to their strong car production, Rover motorcycles were discontinued in 1927.
Were Calthorpe a sloper?
Only room for 5
Any fool can watch a video and say what isn’t in there can’t they
No c90 either 😂😂😂
Most companies made a slopers at this time what about the Triumph X175
Or New imperial ?
You didn’t ask about them either
If I’d put every single sloper into one video it would be Long so no views and importantly it would be just the one rather long one video
If I limit to 5 per video more people watch more videos
A total no brainer
This way I can put another video together and include the Calthorpe
Or not next time
The point is to consider what’s in a video rather than what is not don’t you think ?
Do a video on Royal
Enfield OLD vs NEW 🤓
Interesting idea 🤔
Ahhhhhhh.....
Okkkkk👍🏻
Superb Video ! in my ( alas long past youth as an apprentice) i had this long standing argument with an older Technician , maybe 8 years older than me, who said that MZ brand ( MZ fanatic and owner) was the first of the racing 2 strokes. I respected MZ, but not necessarily my Older workmates comprension of time scale. For instance its documented that in pre war 2 , DKW competed in racing events with a Split cylinder , super charged ( expansion chambered) 350 cc 2 stroke. ? if wrong i stand corrected. BUT i like you identification of just how advanced the Scott 2 strokes are. Superb video !!, IF, you dont mind being set a challenge ? how about , exploring the actual Motorcycle makers that deployed the Minareli 50cc engines.?
Definitely not
Not even the first German racer
NSU even if he’s lumping MZ in with DKW he would still be wrong 😂
@@bikerdood1100 not being like podantic or owt, but am talking about 2 strokes .?
@@jezztech so was I
I did couple of videos on eastern bloc bikes which featured a flat twin MZ from the 50s. Possibly the only two stroke boxer ever produced
Also covered mopeds in a few videos too
The DKW had a secondary piston at the bottom of the engine which pressurised the crank case, so not a supercharger in the usual sense I suppose
The exhaust system wasn’t an expansion chamber system, that one was MZ, in GPS at least
Scott’s intternals used a stepped piston for and had a single transfer port at the rear of the cylinder which could be removed for cleaning. The crank was complete so you could replace the big ends at the road side.
Only ever ridden one and that had the twin chain transmission, you rocked the footplate forward for first and back for second, neutral was level.
There was no clutch you gave it the beans and gently pushed the footplate forward
Advanced features were
Upside down telescopic forks
The worlds first kick start
Absolute beast of a thing
As a foot note I’ve had an MZ it was brilliant