SM57 vs SM58 vs Beta57 - #68 Doctor Guitar
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- Опубліковано 28 жов 2017
- In this episode I compare 3 classic and super standard microfones on a guitar cabinet, using my Mesa Boogie Royal Atlantic 100 and a Recto Cab 4x12" with WGS ET65 speakers.
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9:43 SM57
10:00 SM58
10:17 SM58 without grille
10:52 SM57
10:56 SM58
11:00 SM58 without grille
11:12 Beta 57
Thanks for doing it
great episode Budda :) i wait for more compares like that :D
Great video! Thanks. The SM's sound great!
The beauty of the 57 is that it never gets boomy on 200hz below, and besides having a lot of 5/6K which gives the forward presence, it doesn't have too much high, just the right the frequencies. It's almost like it was made and tuned for distorted electric guitars.
The 58 is similar but with a bit more extended lows and with a presence in more of the 1 to 3K range which can make things forward but too spiky and harsh especially on distorted guitars.
The beta57 is a more refined 57 with a more even high end response - not so much on the 5K range but more of a natural shelf between 3 all the way up to around 8K. Really sounds great on snare, can sound harsher on guitars.
All this is great however context is everything. Budda you said it best, their characteristics really shine wants you starting distorting your tone and producing a more complex and fuller tone harmonic wise. They all work fine in clean sounds, even the 58 sounded really great. However in distorted scenarios the 57 really can't be beat, if your tone is right and if you have enough low end to start with. Somehow the low end always seems to be tight and just right in the mix, and the high mids have enough aggression without being offensive.
When you start layering a lot of guitars and doubling, tripling etc. that's where it also shines. The extra low end and excessive presence of different mics can really accumulate and build up and create a big boom and harsh mess.
Bottom line: if your tone is right and sounds great in the room, just get a 57 and focus on getting the best mic placement.
Bom vídeo Budda, abraco!
Thanks for your comment. It’s really a matter of context. The 57 is not true to the guitar’s tone but it’s great for the mix. You can’t ever have the same amount of low end in the mix that you have in the room. That’s why the 57 is a classic
LOL never thought that SM58 without a grille is sounds mostly like SM57 :)
I like the sound of the 58 without the grill cap.
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good review! glad to see a comparison where the placement of the different mics is the same... really the only way such a comparison would make sense.
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great video. I like that its edited, and a little shorter than some of your other videos.
Great Video. Subscribed. I always kinda prefered the sm 57. Great little showcase for the neve too
This was a great video!! It really helped me out!! From listening to your micing, it sounds like the SM 57 and SM58 were warmer than the SMBeta57.
Great it helped
Great video! I'm new to your channel, and I have to say, your videos are fantastic!
Thanks a lot. welcome to the family!
I like how beta 57 extracts more detailed sound from guitar amplifiers.
SM58 sounds great and maybe more natural than 57.
Great video and really useful comparison!
Please let me understand one thing (excuse me if it's a simple question, I'm a newbie in home recording), to attenuate the signal of beta 57a, it's enough to turn a little bit down the volume of the line in on the multitrack recorder, or is requested some kind of "signal attenuator"?
Thank you!
You just have to give it less volume on the mic pre. Simple!! Thanks for your comment.
Beta 57 for speaker mic but if you happen to be in a setting where there may be wash from other instruments and you lack the noise gates. go with the base 57 as it will reject more of the lower range interference.
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I think that the SM58 with grill is more the treble kind, not som much without the grill? could maybe be a slight change in proximity? it moves away an inch or so with the grill on! very nice work with the video! Many thanks from Sweden. keep it up! Cheers
None of them with the telecaster :(
The SM57 sounds to me it picks up low end distortion better, but its muddier. Beta 57a has the mid frequency personality and is cleaner. They'd make a good combo to blend on a dual mic'd cab.
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People keep talking about the "sound" of these mics, completely ignoring that the main reason you'd ever use the SM57 over the two others is because it just rejects room/stage noise better. If that's ever a concern (and if you're playing a gig or recording metal guitar in a remotely untreated room you'll bet your ass it is), then you're going to want to get that. Of course, if you're going for vocals or acoustic guitar or anything in an acoustically treated studio, then the SM58 is probably (read: definitely) the better choice (YMMV), although something tells you that is not 80-90% of you.
That’s not entirely right. The SM57 has a very specific midrange that favors guitars, snares, some vocals, horns, etc.
It’s not just the room rejection, although that’s a great advantage. But it’s a mic used in very well treated rooms too
Which one of these would you recommend for voice over work and radio ads? Thank you!
None of the 3 is a great choice. With that são they all will do the job. Probably the beta 57 or the SM58.
For live vocals I use the Beta 57 and love it
budda. what does it mean when tube amp becomes midrangy and muddy and i keep raising the treble
is this preamp tubes or power tubes problems
silver it depends . What amp is it? It might be the rectifier tube. Of the power tubes!!!
the amp is a 1976 marshall artiste 100 watt head
tubes in it are since two years JJ tubes
last week it started to lose volume and become dirty and grainy so i changed the preamp tubes and it sounded amazing again and so clean and huge , but when i used overdrives pedals it started to sound midrangy , muddy and dark that i had to increase a lot of treble but still no chime and dynamics but while clean its sounds great
so i thought maybe its the power tubes
If it has a rectifier it might be it. But it can be a simple thing as a condenser
@@silverstone3228 Losing volume/power is *usually* a worn power tube, but sometimes it is a failed preamp. Tube amps are all about the tubes (sounds obvious, huh?) Different pre-amp tubes can significantly change the tone of the amp, especially the V1 tube. Look up the schematic online and find out which one that is, and try a different tube in that socket. However, most tube amps have a specific 'range' of tone, and adjusting tone controls and tubes can only do so much. You're be hard pressed to get a 5150 sound out of a Fender Tweed, ;) Does it have a 'Presence' control? If so, see if that has a noticeable effect on the high end. The Presence works with the power tube section.
58 sounded a bit dynamic maybe I should try one over the 57. The ET65 sounding great with your amp i have one in mine. Were you playing pretty loud?
Ken Aiello I was playing at medium volume. Not that loud.
For lead guitar , which one you think is the best?
It’s really a matter of taste. But since I’ve done this test I love the beta 57.
And is it for recording or for live videos?
@@Doniaanis For both!
I have all the 3. I like sm57 for old metal like Black Sabbath. And I like Beta57 for modern metal like Motley Crue. Thank You!!
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They all sound pretty good. Different flavors of Shure. Going grillesswas almost like changing the speaker. Maybe if you only had an sm58 on hand and only one speaker you could double the guitar with a grilless option.
That’s an option
Thanks for the video! I guess I'm training myself to become an audiophile. I only can afford one all around mic so as much as I like the sm57's very direct sound with vocals and guitar, the 58 might sound more live and when you take the grill off you get a good gritty sound with the amp
That’s right, I always say go with the most versatile mic possible
Yes get a 57 first. Used even. Not many moving parts to break. Then I would suggest a senhieser 609 to blend them. $70-$100. I used a 57 by itself for years, sometimes two of them. One in the back of my Deluxe Reverb. Mic placement is huge. Do you have an interface with direct monitoring? Like with headphones
Shit, just realized this is old, hope you got what u needed
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Amazing video. 57 with telecaster. 58/ball with clean song. I'll buy beta57 to sing. Obrigado!
Mario Roque thanks
The BIG surprise for me was how much I preferred the 58 with grill over the others - just a nastier more exciting sound. I've used my 57s and a 58 for vocals and this just doesn't align with my experience of how the 58 should sound. I've always found it darker and less, not more edgy
I think the 58 is has a lot more bite
Clean I liked the 58 distorted I liked the 57
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To me the beta57 is clear winner
One of my favorites too
I think I actually like the 58 a little more. With and without the windscreen. Second place beta 57. But it all depends on the speakers, amp, song, tone. It's a rabbit hole. There are no absolutes in guitar tone. Cool vid.
definitely there are no rules. It all depends on the results you want to get. Thanks for your comment.
Why don´t you try the Beyerdynamic M201?
It’s on my list. I think I’ll love it
@@BuddaGuedes I´m sure you will love it.
I’ll do a video on it when I get it
@@BuddaGuedes The M201 and the ribbon should be a kind of dream team together.
Great idea
The warm sound signature of 57 definitely sounds good with the Tele but with the Les Paul it sounds muddy. About its cleans, well they sound warm and soothing but are less detailed.
For cleans the 58 sounds the best, but it sounds harsh on overdrive.
Beta57 sounds great for the Les Paul, but sounds bad with the Tele because it highlights the high frequencies. For cleans it sounds better than the SM57 but not as good as the SM58.
I can never control the muddy low end on the beta 57
I’ve never had a problem with that.
I think they all sound great. Beta 57 sounds more "new" to my ears, but sm57 sounds closer to the rock albums I love.
SM57 is a classic!
So which of them is the best for recording an acoustic guitar?
For acoustic none is a great choice, but all will work
Seems like the 58 allowed more low frequency.
Yes it has less bottom end shave off
Beta 57 is the best... cuz that's what I use. ;)
Eh eh
@@BuddaGuedes It's like a 57... that goes to 11 :)
None of them sound bad and the small differences could be dealt with by EQ . You won't go far wrong with any of them.
They are all cool indeed but I prefere the beta 57
The SM57 really is the greatest sexiest looking mic ever and has captured some of the greatest audio performances of the past 55 years. Durable, reliable, a fantastic all rounder great on acoustic instruments, vocals and here's some 70s folk too attest to that theorem. "God bless the 57 and all who sail up him!" ua-cam.com/video/nwqP_yoszCE/v-deo.html
hahaha the amount of sm57 in this video. i heard that in woodstock all mics used were sm58s. probably cant go wrong with either of them
They will definitely work! Eh eh
@@BuddaGuedes let me add: they were also only using a 8 channel mixer, which had one channel reserved for noise cancelation. so 7 channels and all sm58 gave us the pretty good sounding woodstock recordings. amazing. jimi hendrix sound engineer was involved and there is a interview with him talking about that somewhere on youtube. cheers
I’ve seen that too. Sound is on the players not on the equipment. Frank Sinatra would always sound like that no matter what mic he used!!!
@@BuddaGuedes exactly. my favourite example is the hendrix live recordings where he is either using a gibson or fender amps but still sounds like he sounds with a strat through marshalls
Nice gear
Thanks a lot
Thanks
The beta 57 was a lot louder.-I have a beta 58.-I haven't compared it though. I usually just use a 57 to mic amp.Use the beta 58 to sing.
the Beta 57 has 5db more gain, that's why i've also showed it with 5db attenuation.
Shure SM58 sounds good to me. I'm getting a SM57 tho haha : )
Eh eh. You can’t go wrong with a 57
The fact you had to attenuate the beta57 tells me all I need to know about that mic.. it was just too much and I bet would be harder to work with on the desk. Clean the 57 sounds 👍 nicely balanced across the frequencies.. this surprised me but the 58 with the pop filter on sounded perfect for overdrive.. at least to my ears anyway. Thanks for the comparison 👍👍
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So before we get started, you had to flex that $500 Mic huh lol
What do you mean?
He means to be a jealous ass.. thinks you’re showing off your expensive microphone just because. Personally I’m glad you included a higher end mic. It helps give me context about where my money is really going in a mic purchase. Thanks for this video
That is the goal exactly. To put it against a better suited mic. I love my m160 on guitar
beta seemed to have better dynamics maybe
I also like it a lot
Ok now I see why I dislike SM57 , too harsh for my taste. Must get me some warmer mics
I prefer beta 57 in the demonstrated contexts.
It was also my new discovery! I even love it on vocals!
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I like the 58 without the grille
Thanks
@@BuddaGuedes No, thank you! I'm really glad you did this video. You actually saved me a couple of hundies that I can spend elsewhere. :) I really appreciate it!
Great
which is a 57 then
There’s only one 57!!!
It's cardioid vs supercardioid....e906 for distortion and e609 for clean....an i5 is better for distortion than a 57....the Beta57A is better for acoustic and vocals
I really like the beta 57 too.
Your beta 57 is fake because it has 3 holes near the xlr connection. A genuine one has only 2 holes.
Really!!!?!
Beta 57 is the best
I also like it a lot
beta winner
Thanks for your support
sm58 is louder than sm57
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57 smooth 👍🤘
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Tele 😮 🤭😳