I just came across your channel -- imagine my surprise and delight that you're working from drawings I made in August of 2016 -- I remember it well, as I'd just received a kidney transplant, and the meds were making me feel terrible. The most recent former owner of my Rhodes had a section on his personal website dedicated to Rhodes shapers. He was contacted by someone looking for the dimensions of the shaper vise, and he forwarded their info to me. It took me a while, but I eventually produced the measured drawings you show in your video! I'm so glad they are able to help you. I still have the drawings! What a small world.
what an emotional rollercoaster... from getting to know the shaper and having a good time, to leaving the shaper unattended, to almost destroying his own vice. i guess you have a really close relationship to your local metal dealer ( where i live, this would cost you an arm, a leg, and your newborn, if they decide to sell it to hobbiests altogether...) stoked for part 2!
My metal supplier just has an area outside with their random offcuts, sold by the pound. It’s hit or miss, so when I see a good chunk I need for a future project, I grab it and then spend a few months tripping over it.
You sometimes see manually driven shapers. It seems they might actually come in handy for creating dials and similar very fine work. The very slow cutting speed of the shaper reminds me of a quote about them. " A shaper can make anything, but money. "
For future use next time you over bore a hole, you can put a light knurl on the bushing to make up the difference. That way you will still have a press fit.
You made cutting the jaw keyway slot look so easy I would have thought a "loose" key with a slot in the jaw and the base would have been your solution of choice. 😜 I actually groaned both times out loud. Much to the annoyance of my wife. I was wearing buds. Keep up the good work.
Seeing the vice base moving while the jaw slot was being cut caused that nasty little surge of adrenaline that I'm all to familiar with when machining!
That was a lovely way to spend twenty five minutes in the Spring sunshine with some excellent coffee and a laptop, watching chips being created. Looking forward to the next episode!
Really enjoyable Jeremy, thank you for taking the time to make the video - it's always fun and interesting content. The shaper is a real dream, one day!
That's a very nice build. Makes it even nicer that you you show the "oh crap" moments. Too many youtubers would have cut them out of the final video. Triple thumbs up.
Really fun to watch this develop from rough to nearly finished parts, can't wait for the finish! I'm not even a machinist, but I find the sometime perfection of the finished pieces fascinating and the processes to get there hypnotic. Have to say though, I struggle to get used to scraped surfaces! _Always_ look wrong to my eyes, although I know intellectually they're far improved from the starting point :shrug:
Don't know whether you are aware or not, but if it turns out that the taper in your Index Mill spindle gets messed up Index can machine your spindle to fit the R-8 taper for which there is a lot more tooling available than the B&S 9 that was standard. I had my spindle done and am very happy with the outcome. I'm enjoying your videos.
It’s pricey though, and this machine has some other issues that need to be dealt with before it would be worth doing. I may eventually go that route though.
Greatly enjoy your content! I had a similar problem with my Gorton 8-1/2D (9 B&S taper). I bought it (cheap) with the collet chuck having been broken off leaving the taper tail stuck in the spindle. Luckily it was a threaded drawbar taper and I was able to rig a makeshift all-thread puller…. Tighten….penetrating oil…..grit teeth-frown-pray and cautiously tap on the all-thread that protruded through the threaded taper tail. Rinse and repeat for a few days and then one day, POP! Not sure if this had already been suggested, but it worked in my case👍
Really nice job! I immediately thought that might be a nice addition to my Rhodes but when I had a look at it I realized it was before they added the vise... thus no hole in the center. Some great tips in your video, thanks for posting!
Jeremy I've really enjoyed your videos. Great work, and out of scrap materials using old machinery and fixtures you make yourself. A man after my own heart! I've built two lathes, and I cast iron. Even your snow looks familiar. Keep them coming!
Spectacular! There is an add on to my Cochrane bly mill that I have been wanting to build for some time from old pictures online and nothing more...it would definitely be a big undertaking
Beautiful work! I'm not sure if you've seen any of my Atlas 7B Shaper restorations videos, but I finished and am in the "test and tune" process. I love my shaper and will be posting videos similar to yours. Thanks for the great videos.....
I'm curious: why a shrink fit for the pinion, instead of a taper or flange? I'm sure both are more than strong enough, but it feels like with the force going straight downward a taper would be perfect.
16:40 I just thought about this... does anybody use grinding paste to fit two parts like these together? Like the stuff you use to grind valve seats in engines?
What tooth-pitch blade do you have on that saw? Is it the one more like 20TPI or more like 10TPI? For the hot suppers I see you feeding it, you'll definitely get faster cuts out of 10TPI. I can't remember what I sent on it, probably the 10TPI since I knew you wouldn't be cutting thin-wall pipe most of the time
Is your INDEX machine the same as Wells Index? They are the only manufacturer of USA made vertical milling machines made today. I'm on a search now for Wells Index machine to be a companion to my South Bend heavy 10 lathe.
What a great project, you must have invested a hefty number of hours into this already! Guessing you didn't dig that slab of steel out of a river somewhere? 😁
Hi Jeremy I am an avid watcher of your UA-cam channel and greatly enjoy the videos that you make, l have recently obtained an old Rhodes shaper and have been restoring it to its original condition, or as original as l possible can. I have been watching the videos you made about making a vice for your Rhodes shaper, would it be possible for you to allow me access to the plans or put me in touch with the gentleman that supplied you the plans to make the vice. Kindest regards Gary
I just came across your channel -- imagine my surprise and delight that you're working from drawings I made in August of 2016 -- I remember it well, as I'd just received a kidney transplant, and the meds were making me feel terrible. The most recent former owner of my Rhodes had a section on his personal website dedicated to Rhodes shapers. He was contacted by someone looking for the dimensions of the shaper vise, and he forwarded their info to me. It took me a while, but I eventually produced the measured drawings you show in your video! I'm so glad they are able to help you. I still have the drawings! What a small world.
Thank you for doing them! I took some liberties from them, but they were so very helpful!
Love the This Old Tony style intro and your voice over.
Excellent job, thank you 🙏
Thanks Jeremy. Most informative. Nice to see that you too are plagued by Murphy on occasion. Looking forward to part 2.
You got me with the intro. I was expecting a This Old Tony style karate chop, and the metal just breaks haha
what an emotional rollercoaster... from getting to know the shaper and having a good time, to leaving the shaper unattended, to almost destroying his own vice.
i guess you have a really close relationship to your local metal dealer ( where i live, this would cost you an arm, a leg, and your newborn, if they decide to sell it to hobbiests altogether...)
stoked for part 2!
My metal supplier just has an area outside with their random offcuts, sold by the pound. It’s hit or miss, so when I see a good chunk I need for a future project, I grab it and then spend a few months tripping over it.
Great job. Some good machining. Cheers Tony
nice work.. I love "if it seems like it is tedious, its because it is". Very good video.
Unusual vise build; nice pick. We shared this video on our homemade tools forum this week 😎
You sometimes see manually driven shapers. It seems they might actually come in handy for creating dials and similar very fine work.
The very slow cutting speed of the shaper reminds me of a quote about them. " A shaper can make anything, but money. "
That was brilliant Jeremy. Triumph and failure, comedy and tragedy. So much more involved than the few pics I've seen could show. 👍💯🍺
If I may make a suggestion - drill / ream holes first and then make the bushing to fit. Thanks for showing your mistakes!
Very enjoyable & educational, you sure do make that Index Work.
Now THAT was a GREAT CUT! XD
For future use next time you over bore a hole, you can put a light knurl on the bushing to make up the difference. That way you will still have a press fit.
Very interesting and informative. Excellently filmed. Thank you for sharing. 👏👏👍😀Andrew
Man, that was an excellent job, top.
"Jeremy Makes Things" to perfection. Love your work Jeremy, 10/10. I don't know why you didn't use that hack saw you made to cut that slab.
Inventive thinking!
Good job.
You made cutting the jaw keyway slot look so easy I would have thought a "loose" key with a slot in the jaw and the base would have been your solution of choice. 😜
I actually groaned both times out loud.
Much to the annoyance of my wife.
I was wearing buds.
Keep up the good work.
Seeing the vice base moving while the jaw slot was being cut caused that nasty little surge of adrenaline that I'm all to familiar with when machining!
@Ferrum Ignis
I think I might have clamped it to the table without the swivel base.
Then again, I might have milled it 😎
I like your videos. Especially making things yourself from raw material
Wow this is impressive. I love these little shapers.
That was a lovely way to spend twenty five minutes in the Spring sunshine with some excellent coffee and a laptop, watching chips being created. Looking forward to the next episode!
Beautiful
You do like a challenge, and I admire that. Keep up the good work.
Nice Work!
Really enjoyable Jeremy, thank you for taking the time to make the video - it's always fun and interesting content. The shaper is a real dream, one day!
That's a very nice build. Makes it even nicer that you you show the "oh crap" moments. Too many youtubers would have cut them out of the final video. Triple thumbs up.
Oh, I cut some of them out too.
Really fun to watch this develop from rough to nearly finished parts, can't wait for the finish!
I'm not even a machinist, but I find the sometime perfection of the finished pieces fascinating and the processes to get there hypnotic. Have to say though, I struggle to get used to scraped surfaces! _Always_ look wrong to my eyes, although I know intellectually they're far improved from the starting point :shrug:
enjoyed as always. awesome!
Don't know whether you are aware or not, but if it turns out that the taper in your Index Mill spindle gets messed up Index can machine your spindle to fit the R-8 taper for which there is a lot more tooling available than the B&S 9 that was standard. I had my spindle done and am very happy with the outcome. I'm enjoying your videos.
It’s pricey though, and this machine has some other issues that need to be dealt with before it would be worth doing. I may eventually go that route though.
Greatly enjoy your content! I had a similar problem with my Gorton 8-1/2D (9 B&S taper). I bought it (cheap) with the collet chuck having been broken off leaving the taper tail stuck in the spindle. Luckily it was a threaded drawbar taper and I was able to rig a makeshift all-thread puller….
Tighten….penetrating oil…..grit teeth-frown-pray and cautiously tap on the all-thread that protruded through the threaded taper tail. Rinse and repeat for a few days and then one day, POP! Not sure if this had already been suggested, but it worked in my case👍
"The shaper is happy to work away while I do something else"
(Tool snaps)
Time to babysit the shaper. :P
Really nice job! I immediately thought that might be a nice addition to my Rhodes but when I had a look at it I realized it was before they added the vise... thus no hole in the center. Some great tips in your video, thanks for posting!
Jeremy I've really enjoyed your videos. Great work, and out of scrap materials using old machinery and fixtures you make yourself. A man after my own heart! I've built two lathes, and I cast iron. Even your snow looks familiar. Keep them coming!
beautiful job! more like jeremy makes my favorit videos on youtube... also, I only could dream of finding cast scraps that big XD
Great job man, very interesting project..
Great job bro! I cant wait to see it finished. Thanks for sharing. Have a great day and take care.
-David Cox
Spectacular!
There is an add on to my Cochrane bly mill that I have been wanting to build for some time from old pictures online and nothing more...it would definitely be a big undertaking
Moving along! Enjoyed watching, thanks.
Beautiful work! I'm not sure if you've seen any of my Atlas 7B Shaper restorations videos, but I finished and am in the "test and tune" process. I love my shaper and will be posting videos similar to yours. Thanks for the great videos.....
I need to make a graduated dial for my shaper, hands,t thought of using it to make it - thanks
Awesome work. 👍
Awesome
I'm curious: why a shrink fit for the pinion, instead of a taper or flange? I'm sure both are more than strong enough, but it feels like with the force going straight downward a taper would be perfect.
16:40 I just thought about this... does anybody use grinding paste to fit two parts like these together? Like the stuff you use to grind valve seats in engines?
0:43 geez did that get cut with a damn blow torch :p
What tooth-pitch blade do you have on that saw? Is it the one more like 20TPI or more like 10TPI? For the hot suppers I see you feeding it, you'll definitely get faster cuts out of 10TPI. I can't remember what I sent on it, probably the 10TPI since I knew you wouldn't be cutting thin-wall pipe most of the time
The one that was on there when I got it was right about zero tpi. 😆. I’m running a 10/14 variable on it now.
@@JeremyMakesThings Hah ok, sorry for sending you a dud! I must have sent that to you before I got my bulk order of blades
Is your INDEX machine the same as Wells Index? They are the only manufacturer of USA made vertical milling machines made today. I'm on a search now for Wells Index machine to be a companion to my South Bend heavy 10 lathe.
The same, Wells bought Index in the 70’s and it became Wells-Index. This machine is from 1947, but they still offer (limited) support for it.
What a great project, you must have invested a hefty number of hours into this already! Guessing you didn't dig that slab of steel out of a river somewhere? 😁
No, it was $70 from the “surplus” area at my local steel supplier. But since I only used half of it, it doesn’t really blow the budget.
@ChrpysTinkerings is a bright guy. Enjoy watching his videos.
Hi Jeremy
I am an avid watcher of your UA-cam channel and greatly enjoy the videos that you make, l have recently obtained an old Rhodes shaper and have been restoring it to its original condition, or as original as l possible can.
I have been watching the videos you made about making a vice for your Rhodes shaper, would it be possible for you to allow me access to the plans or put me in touch with the gentleman that supplied you the plans to make the vice. Kindest regards Gary
Shoot me an email, and I’ll see if I can find them for you. Jeremymakesthings@gmail.com
Please clarify what type of steel is being used to make this vise?
It’s just hot rolled mild steel. Nothing special.
Funny nod to TOT
Now do Winky
you could have sliced it with just kung fu IMHO....
Using band saw, cut off wheel takes a way long time and it creates a lot of mess...
It sure does…but if you go back and look, I have a bandage on my hand after trying the karate chop….