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- A report says that the Miami Dolphins and Tua Tagovailoa are “not particularly close” on an extension. Emmanuel Acho, Joy Taylor, James Jones, and LeSean McCoy discuss Tua’s potential new contract and if he should play if he doesn’t receive an offer.
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Tua wasn't lighting the league on fire before Tyreek + McDaniel, but which QB could when dealing with the worst offensive line in several years, no running game support (Myles Gaskin at RB1, not good enough to get 1 single snap from any other team after his rookie contract), league bottom WR separation, a WR room missing its starters the vast majority of his starts, and 3 offensive coordinators in his first 2 seasons?
Tua's WR1 was Parker who started just 10 games that Tua started over those first 2 seasons. Hurns at WR2 was on IR all of 2020 and retired afterward. Albert Wilson at WR3 was on IR all 2020 and started 5 total games in 2021. So outside rookie Waddle in 2021, Tua was throwing to several WRs who were done in the league within 3 years. The other 2 exceptions were Jakeem Grant (9 receptions with Chicago in 2021 after being traded mid-season, not resigned afterward) and Mack Hollins (on his 3rd team in 3 seasons since leaving Miami in 2021, with 18 catches for Atlanta last year).
Not a single QB would excel in that environment, to say nothing of the head coach trying to sabotage him for two years. That said, Tua's worst season still ended with 2 wins more than losses.
Since then the O-Line has gotten better starting talent, and Tua has looked great when they're healthy. Tua has shown when he has serviceable blocking and missing one or two of his key playmakers (Tyreek/Waddle/Mostert/Achane), he can still win games authoritatively. He has also shown (along with basically every other QB ever) that when the line can't protect him, he looks a lot worse and his stats and chances of winning both drop noticably.
You hit that on the nail! But I think he should be closer to 40m not 50m but he is still playing better than Herbert and he is over payed
Big fact and plus let’s not forget josh Allen was trash before diggs
Good point until you ask yourself, how many qbs can perform better in Tua’s current situation
@@papakolea84 Nah, he deserves the 50m Goff and everybody else in that tier is getting, and he will get it.
Blah blah blah. Late season collapse, looked terrible in the playoffs. Enough said.
When they say who was Tua before hill and waddle they never mention his weapons. Salvon almed, Patrick laird, Lynn Bowden, Malcom perrry, Durham smythe, Mack hollins and Isaiah ford.
Most qb would look average with these as your best players not all but most.
Shhh the haters don't want to hear facts
dont forget parker... all those people are out the nfl now btw
@@trashastrash9722 yes, Parker, jarkeem Grant, Preston Willams.
The more we look at the receivers Tua had when he came to the league it's shocks me he had a winning record in those seasons. He gets better every yr.
@@adrianshields8003 literally gets better every year. unfortunately we have too many casual fans
Tua has done special things. Remember coming back against the ravens after being down 3 or four tds to win the game???? I'd say that was special. Over 400 yards and six tds to add to it. Tua is a solid qb
I disagree with Shady. He’s like “let’s not forget what he looked like” but why are we acting like Tua wasn’t a baller in college? Dude almost won the Heisman, but was set back by a gruesome injury. He’s a great QB regardless of what they think 💪🏽
The only greatness about Tua is the hopes we have for him. So far, especially this year where he played all games, they have not materialized. 2 years under wily McDaniels, and he keeps choking against the big ones (1-6). He is not (yet?) the game changer we expected.
He was throwing the ball to 3, 1st round draft picks vs teams with none. Mac Jones was a Baller for the same team.
College is not the nfl Marcus mariotta was like that in college and we see how he turned out
Dolfans I love y'all bro and we LOVE our TEAM❤❤❤ But we really as fans gotta separate the player from the team I love tua as a person but I will never let that cloud my judgment for what the team needs to be Superior..... In order to support tour we have to lower our expectations of him and defend them.....just think about that.... We deserve to expect Superior and get Superior....not settle
Baker was awesome in college. Doesn’t mean sh!t
Hate this narrative that tua wasn’t good before mcdaniels and hill. Meanwhile tua had like a 13-3 record and dolphins pre Mcdaniels were like 0-9 without tua.
@jonathannaranjo5105 he wasn’t and he was always injured. I wouldn’t give him a huge contract. He’s another concussion away from being out. He’s overrated . I can’t wait for the bills to owned him once again without diggs lol.
Thank you. If you don't know ask somebody. With no decent receivers before coach came. None of them are in the league now oh yeah the Tightend Mike Gisicki
Just because he "shouldn't play without a contract" it doesn't mean the contract has to be for a delusional amount.
Surely as a bills fans you'd want them to overpay him and ruin the franchise lol
He shouldn't play for anything less them 45mill a yea
Tua and Miami could do very wll with a Geno Smith type of contract.
All quarterback get paid ridiculous amount it is 50mil like it or not standard rate
@@2gunzup07 At this price, Miami better ditch him, play Skylar, tank and build a roster around a talented rookie. Save lots of time and money.
What they are also failing to mention once you pay him that $50 million it’s gonna be harder to pay their other top athletes and then they are gonna have to rely on Tua to carry that team with lesser talent cuz they can’t afford to pay other players.. and Tua ain’t good enough to carry a team like that
THANK YOU 😂, he CANT Carry , the talent on offense Elevates tua , not the other way around
@@kevinluna5164no quarterback do including Mahomes and Brady
Just like that with dak bum a$$
That's the problem for any QB that's not a rookie
5 years ago, $35 million was the highest paid QB and it didn't cripple the team. 5 years from now it will be $75 million and it won't cripple the team. So $50 million now won't ruin the Phins.
James Need More Air Time Bruh
Skip needs to fire key and steal James shady and ric💯🤷🏿♂️
@@Dipset415 nah just let Skip retire.
Why do Shaddy always saying before HILL and MCDANIEL. So was Josh Allen before Diggs. So is Herbert, and they keep changing coach thinking that's the issue. So was Tervor before the current coach and his weapons....and So on
cuz he's a hater.
All those qbs besides Trevor are better than Tua without their weapons, without a doubt lmao
@@1inchpunisher715How if they had weapons?
Bills was 10-6 and went to the playoffs before diggs it's a big difference
Josh was Josh without Diggs. Diggs gained more from Josh than Josh did from Diggs. Diggs wasn’t a pro bowler until Josh and probably will not be again
Shady ended this video with so much disrespect lol
So you don’t think Tua was disrespectful to Fitzpatrick…..smh
40 yards after the catch is not a deep ball
Shady & Joy getting to big for their britches. They love to hear themselves speak.🤮
Tua has done more for his team than Justin Herbert.
Gotta be the dumbest comment under this vid
Not really saying anything at all
Bruh 1st rd exit, 2 years in a row and didn’t play one of those games
@@greyyb8860 well, Justine Herbert is getting beat by 4 interceptions T-Law🤷🏾♂️ Josh Allen is only beating Mason Rudolph and back up QB in playoff. So what are we talking about? The difference between Tua and Josh Allen last year was that Tua ran into Mahome first.
AND TREVOR LAWRENCE
Joy showed that family pride 😂
Whatever thst means
@@russellpenoyer81806:30 talking about her brother DE Jason Taylor 😂
Not if you ask me
0:35 Yes Shady. You are tripping. Like always. If you wanna discredit Tua for being a regular QB then you have to discredit Hurts because he looked regular before AJ Brown 😂
He played bad with him
I also wanna discredit him for those "Two SBs"😂😂
At least he was showing Improvement every year before him and he was a 2nd round QB not 1st they not the same 1 QB has been to the superbowl the other QB can't win a game if it's 45 degrees or less😭🤣🤣
@maskedman5657 - wrong
Jalen lost his job to Tua in college
Acho murdered shady on this topic
He went at Hurts kinda harshly 😭 but it was accurate bruh was trash until year 3
No he didnt, he further proved he's a brain dead hypocrite
Not really
@@CLS_7301 yet he made the playoffs his second year with reagor (BUST) as his number 2 receiver lol
@@moe8599yeah and had a heisman at Wr1. So that was irrelevant lol.
I'm sorry, but Tua HAS proven himself in the cold. Not the -27 degree cold maybe, but look at how he played in the buffalo snow ball. There were 3 perfectly thrown missed catches in the end zone. If any of those were caught or we didn't give up 17 yards on a 3rd down, we win that game. He has answered EVERYTHING that people knocked him for. Is anyone still talking about arm strength? No one except the most extreme Tua haters. Can't stay healthy? Does it. Can't win a playoff game? Can't win the division? That's coming this year. Just watch. Enough with this Tua hate.
If they don't win the division this year, what's the excuse? From a life long Dolphins fan, I want Tua to be the guy too; but he's not. His eyes turn to saucers when the big lights shine. He will never bring this team success where it counts. I hope he proves me wrong though.
@@ToniKhoury83 yall can have Justin Herbert who never makes the playoffs or you can have Trevor Lawrence who’s over there stinking up the joint. You can have Kyler Murray who’s playing like trash yall need to be thankful. your never gonna get a Patrick Mahomes.
@@andreneal2078 I think you know all three of those QBs would have just as much, if not more, success as Tua with this team.
With a successful QB/HC relationship Trevor Lawrence did lead his team to a playoff victory.
Tua has his head coach and the best we can do is barely make the first round. I truly believe he has everything needed to succeed and he's shown he can't.
We'll see how that works out for Herbert this year, who is getting, a pretty great coach if history is any kind of indicator. Will he step up or do nothing? We'll see this year.
And we'll see how Kyler does with a coach that has coached grown men vs college only. I'm not sold on Kyler either, but he's much more dynamic than Tua I would say, if nothing else.
Dolphins had trouble beating teams that were over .500
Excuses, excuses, excuses. A good QB is supposed to elevate the team. Not the other way around.
Shady and JJ hit it on this one IMO. Tua and TLaw should be very happy with 40-45 mil a yr. They dont deserve the big boy contracts and need the pieces around them.
Why would the dolphins pay tua that much when a rookie or fa QB can win with this roster.
@@MrBalockaye That's my point of why Tua should accept that right away, if offered. Lol
@@MrBalockaye do you remember our record without Tua. We can't win.
@@emmanueldean8822 I can’t remember 1 win where I’ve thought wow if we didn’t have Tua… while there’s a ton of losses I’ve thought, if we just didn’t have Tua…
@@MrBalockaye his Win/loss record is 32-19 tho.
Why can’t Tua just get a reasonable contract. He for sure doesn’t deserve to be the next highest player player. But at the same time he’s done a lot for the dolphins and Mike McDaniels seems to like him. Not every QB deserves a contract like what Goff got
Because he’s an absolute fraud. He can be replaced with most qbs. Literally no other team would want tua if he were available.
Agreed. But definitely not the highest paid. Poor guy is one head hit away from never playing again
Because he don’t need a contract he could play on his 5th year just like the 2x mvp lamar did
@@VP20001 he does that and he finishes the year like he did last year and he might lose millions. If he gets seriously hurt again he might not get another contract
@@Shinobi33 ima dolphin fan how is that my problem?
Joy looking irresistible😊
Meh she looked better before she started trying to look like a white woman
Y'all can't get your facts straight. Nobody tried to trade Tua but Flo. GM and owner have been fully behind Tua the whole time. If you thought Tua was average then you didn't pay attention to details.
Exactly
No Tua and Trevor are better then Daniel jones
It annoys me to the 10th power that joy knows this and never corrects it
I love Tua he’s a good quarterback 🧡🩵💯🐬
Can you win a SB with Tua after you have to get rid of good players because you can’t pay them? He is good no doubt but is he THAT GOOD?
Every qb in the league is a good quarterback then 😂
I have a budget for a car….. I ain’t overpaying Mercedes prices for a Toyota
That’s easy to say. There’s a million Toyotas out there, not more than 30 franchise QBs
@@sillywabbit3689 exactly ....he's a dime a dozen....he's a system QB....not what you're referring to as unique.
Tampa seems to be the only team that can pull that off. Getting Baker for 30M a year looks like a steal at this point.
Mercedes don’t hold there value and stay in the shop .. do your homework on Toyota
@@ck7cu it’s really simple , there’s not enough QBs out there. He got the dolphins to the playoffs twice, who knows what would happen last yr if he didn’t get injured. Shady acting like making playoffs is no big deal lol one playoff game is like +100mil revenue to the owners
Tua struggled vs teams over .500 last year
Team sport
what about the year before?
Who knew he played defense and punt coverage..
@princecheck11 another losing record against good teams when he actually played
@@user-oh6sx7cp4c only lost to the Bills and 49ers that had winning records..
I hate when people speak on things they don't know about.
1. Tua was supposed to redshirt his rookie season cause he was coming off that nasty hip injury.
2. He had no receivers running backs or offensive his first year, and a rookie jaylen Waddle his 2nd.
3. His coach hated him, which is why he's not there anymore.
4. He played every game last year, so he was healthy
5. Tua has gotten better every year
I'm not a Tua stan, I wish we would've gotten Lamar over Minkah in the draft, but give Tua credit. Stop dismissing everything he does. Patrick Mahomes sat his first year and had Andy Reid(Shadys goat coach), Tyreek Hill, and Travis Kelce. You don't think that accelerated his growth as a QB, he couldn't even read a defense. Imagine Mahomes first season playing he was coming off injury and had a bad coach and no weapons like Tua had his rookie season. (I'm not saying Tua is a better QB)
Conveniently none of them mentioned that Tua has also been in the MVP conversation for part of the season the last two years also. Also, when they talk about, who was he before Tyreek Hill Tyreek has had career high numbers being with the Dolphins. Again, career high numbers. The most yards he had before playing with Tua was 1,479. His first season with Tua he got 1,710 and last season he got 1,799.
Lol in the Playoff game that they are bashing Tua for Mahomes also looked like garbage but he was playing against a fully injured defense while Tua had to play against a top 2 defense. The conditions just weren’t good for football overall. The score looked bad 26-7 but the actual product was terrible, from both teams. We just forgot how Mahomes looked because they eventually went on to win the Super Bowl but that boy was 23-41, 266 yards, 1 TD. Tua was 19-39, 199 yards and 1 TD. Be so real dawg.
It's not just the Chiefs game though, Tua stats against good teams or in the cold are bad.
26-7 is a beat down shut up with the excuses. Tua doesn’t beat good teams either you don’t pay a QB all that money if they can’t lead you to a win in tough conditions or competition.
@@CLS_7301 If you’re gonna say Tua doesn’t beat good teams as a reason to not pay him then you can’t use the injuries against him because him not beating good teams was only a last year thing and frankly those games (go back and watch all 7) Tyreek fumbled or dropped sure fire TDs that would have tied, won or put us in position to win those game. Tyreek was way more at fault for those losses than Tua was. After Tyreek’s inability to capitalize that’s when Tua would start to press and make bad decisions and we’d lose those games but Tyreek was more the catalyst for those losses not Tua.
@@theliverpoolking2259 blaming the WR is crazy 😭 reek was almost a mvp last year nobody thought Tua as
Mahomes was not garbage. He was moving the ball up and down the field all game and put up 300 yards of offense if you include his 41 rushing yards. He got his team into field goal range all game and it was enough to win cause Tua was significantly worse literally not generating any offense
Yes who would’ve known a QB got better with good receivers and a coach that put him in a system that fits his skill set wow how terrible that player must be
Hard to look anything other than average when your head coach doesn't want you and keeps you hamstrung.
if you are getting rid of Tua, who are you getting in return? he’s gonna get picked up by a desperate organization and probably win with him too. name all the QBs before Tua, a bunch of bums. only a few QBs in this year’s upcoming draft will be franchise QBs
1. Tua needs to be glad he has a job and not ask for so much money that others won’t be able to get. think about your teammates.
2. The Dolphins proving why they are currently a poverty franchise
Well according to Joy's logic JUS YESTERDAY. He should get paid. He's the next one up
Exactly, I was just thinking that. Yesterday she says he's next up & has to be top paid. But today she says don't go crazy over the numbers. Pick a side girl
Majority of the players in that offense his first 2 years aren’t even in the league anymore
Having injury history is even more reason to maximize your money smh these talking heads trippin
Not if the organization doesn't like you like that..take the max you can get but don't get greedy
I usually like Shady but come on now Tua was always known as a very accurate QB even before he got Tyreek and Waddle he just came into the league hurt thats why he didnt look as good Shady!!
Tua is not accurate in the NFL game. Every pass has the receiver waiting on the ball. He never leads or throws open his receivers. That's the system they built for Tua. They are betting on the play called and beating the defense and not having Tua beat that defense or throw a lot of picks.
@contentm3893 Breh. Wtf you talking about guy, Tua put the ball on the spot on the money all year!
@@contentm3893just proved you dk what you talkin about
Bro tua was doing what fitmagic was doing... he is right, people were looking to get tua out of maimi..before tyreek came. Now we can blame a defensive minded HC, but the fact of how the dolphins ended after tyreek went down last year must mean something to you
@@contentm3893You just don’t like tua because thats just not true. Acc has been his bread and butter even when we had no weapons.
Why is Acho alway jocking McCoy? We all know Shady's resume, dont need it repeated every show 😂
Tua will get paid. I don't think he should hold out for what it's worth.
If Tua isn't paid and he plays, every good game he gets (and we know how good the Dolphins are in the first half of the season) will increase that value
Shady wasn't all that. He was just a average running back and nothing else. So stop ✋️ it. 😮
You must have started watching football yesterday. Any running back that is able to get well over 10000 yards in a career is well over average. Look at all time rushing list and where McCoy ranks. He is most likely going to be in the hall of fame at some point.
@user-cv5fb4uu3v
Kid go home and shut up stay out of adult conversations 👍🤡
Love Tua, but i think he shouldnt expect a large payment. Also Tua had one season without Waddle and it was his rookie year
I love it when people count other people's pockets hopefully when McCoy comes up for his next contract at speak I hope they make him take less money I know he'll be glad to do it
Shady always against players getting payed Tua, Justin Herbert,Dak
I agree 💯.
Yeah, because none of those three deserve massive extensions
Maybe McCoy should critique McCoy. He was in back-to-back SB and never played a down.😂
I noticed that Tua gets alot of criticism. I expect the sane for herbert, zack Wilson, kirk cousins. I can go on.
You're 100% right. But no, Cousins is deemed "a great businessman". Herbert is stamped "a franchise QB" (whatever that means).
@jeanfourcade cousins also puts up good numbers, and has never had a good defense, Herbert has yet to have a good coach, so he tends to get passes which will end this year
And Zack Wilson gets criticized and called one of the worst qbs every timed he's mentioned
@@user-oh6sx7cp4c Cousins is on par with Tua, but gets far less flak. As for Herbert, I must admit he looks absolutely great. But those next 2years under Harbaugh will be make or break years for his status of star or fake.
@@jeanfourcade except he puts up far better numbers, wins more games, gets hurt less, has a worse team around him, and has actually won a playoff game
Nobody is saying Tua shouldnt get paid....they saying he should get Cousins type money...not Mahones type money
Exactly. He’s one of the only quarterbacks who isn’t considered the best player on the team
0:35 while I don’t think Tua should be overpaid, I also think it’s such a paradoxical argument to say a QB isn’t good because they have weapons. Thats the point of team building and player development
True. And the characteristic of a promising QB is precisely to thrive WITH weapons.
Shady saying he was regular before Tyreek and before McDaniel needs to look at the situation. Tua had a head coach that hated him. Season one he tried to sabotage Tua by playing him before he was fully recovered from the hip injury. Flores basically destroyed the kids confidence by playing then benching him for Fitz multiple times in a season. They also gave him THREE offensive coordinators in his first two seasons. He still had a winning record and is the only quarterback to NEVER lose to a Bill Belichick coached team.
The games played to win games. Tuas Won games even on bad teams, Shady don't know what he talkin about. Also Tua showed more processing before McDaniel got there. These guys sooo clueless. Tua had nothing to work with and 4 different Offensive coordinators before McDaniel got there.
Shady n Acho are both haters and changes there view because the producers say too. But Acho has big time hate for Hurts and it shows. How every Tua needs to have a reasonable contract ie Kyler Murry level or range any more then that cripples the dolphins and will have too hit on all picks, trades, free agents coming this year with minimum contract cost. Any higher then what is stated with security players in place then your dolphins are doomed before even getting started
Tua is so much better than Hurts!!! Just ask Saban!!!!
It’s time for everyone to admit that Justin had a great rookie season and has not had much sense to show for it. TLAW is a good QB why not pay him. Same with Tua. Shady acts like these qbs don’t need a good team around them. Not everyone is Tom, Patrick or Joe. Be realistic bruh.
Can't pay him top money...just get a reliable backup quarterback and hope we can squeeze into the play-offs
Coaching or lack of Coaching is a factor as well. Other teams have good receivers to help QB's perform. The O-Line is also a factor in performance.
Shady is a hater. Josh Allen was trash until 14 showed up. Herbert got numbers early but not wins. Burrow had one good year with Chase and company. Go roll Tua's tape before Tyreek he's still accurate, didn't throw many picks and won games.
Nah wtf burrow got 2 good years bruh
They literally tried to trade tua. Can’t say that about the others
@@boltgang6192 they or Flores? They never actually attempted to trade him. The owner wanted to win a SB now and tried to get Brady but never actually attempted to trade Tua.
With due respect. McCoy wasn't all that to be talking about others. You had 6 1000 yd seasons, but only had 2 seasons with double digit rushing TDs.
and I love it when all these commentators talk about his tool can stay healthy no quarterback can stay healthy when he's got defensive lineman slamming his head to the turf in a wrestling move like the Bengals did and Milano in the Buffalo Bill game pushed Tua down after the ball was gone and it should have been called a roughing the passer but for some people they don't get that call Brady would.. but not them
Dak went 13-3 in his rookie year, Acho said only Patrick and Lamar had great rookie years, how do these people get on TV 📺 distorting the facts every day
Think Zeke had 1700 rushing yards g like he went absolutely crazy
They said pat n jackson plays well without number 1 receivers bro
He said only Pat & LJ can overcome bad offense...Dak had the #1 OLine, #1 RB he wasn't alone
He said Without top help … Dak had Zeke and all pro Dez Bryant but I don’t know why he put Mahomes in there, they were good before him
Yea Patrick was behind aalex Smith in his rookie year.. but Dak had probably the best team out of the three.
He's on same page as Lawrence. He should make more then Lawrence but less then goff. Same with dak.
People forget they fired Brian Flores because he didnt want to break rules and he didn't want Tua.
They were in the playoffs one of his years there. They had a good defense also. He had a winning record and got fired. They give tua the money and they will Regress. They wont keep half of the guys they have now. The also put up a better fight in the playoffs with a Backup so they need to really think about how much longer they want to be ok or bad.
Sometimes with a contract it’s more about the business and fans. Teams just with to sell march, tickets, get TV times maybe get a home playoff game, some of these players are popular with the fans.
Tua need to Honor his contract 5 year and prove ur self to earn the pay you are looking for period 🤬🙏
This could cost us 60mil per year… let’s play him then tag him for 38 million…hahah
With those weapons they can bring in Tannehlll and do just as well. Maybe better.
Lamar did, won MVP and it worked out for him..
@buckwyld218 and choked when it mattered. They had the most talented team last year and couldn’t pulled through.
Shady just lost a friend vehemently bashing his neighbor. Acho was making his points with facts, and it just enraged this guy.
Shady is the master of the evolving argument. lol..
Marino was super special and couldn't win because he didn't have the complete team.
If Marino couldn't do it. No one can.
yea, becasue the NFL is exactly the same as it was then. hahaha stop iiitttt!!!
Marino had a pass happy Team in an era where WRs were getting obliterated BEFORE they even touched the ball...in the air
@@Joker.9.9.9
And somehow Monatana managed to win a few 🤔
They left out two many things that went against the young man like 3 different offensive coordinators that's 3 different offensive systems
Cool don’t get greedy when the Super Bowl ask for whatever you want. Bring Miami a Super Bowl. I’ve been waiting since 86.😊
If Tua can get a Kirk Cousins contract offer he should take it and be happy.
I was thinking more along the lines of a Geno Smith type of deal.
Acho stay givin shady his props 😂
You’d think a great like shady would know that almost every qb would need help around them. Tua had almost nobody around him the first 2 years including coaching. I guess we could say Josh Allen should’ve taken a pay cut.
What makes the dolphins situaion sticky is that the weapons you built around Tua are only going to be here for 1-2 years MAX. In the time it would take to develop another QB to work in that system, the system will already have to be overhauled. McDaniel should be the coach for the Dolphins the next 6+ years, but even if he gets paid Tua's got that same 2 year window to get them to a championship game before they need to overhaul and let Mike cook up a new system.
Josh had 29 total TDs in his second season and made the playoffs at 10-6 then had an MVP caliber season in his third year and went to the AFC championship Acho has no idea what he's talking about as usual...
"Josh Allen was not good his first 3 seasons" By his 3rd season he was 2nd in MVP voting.
Why pay ahead on an uncertain injury future. Man is not fifty million a year. Sitting out of everything till season start is a recipe to get injured
Great WR and hopefully a much better Oline and key piece to work with let not forget RB set that to match I really think he will grow Give him Quarter of what he asking makes second round of playoffs pay him
"put another qb in there" lets see how did they do when teddy 2 gloves and skylar started?
Skylar finished the job Tua couldn't finish (straight losses to SF and GB) in 2022.
The fascination with Justin Herbert, who haven’t done nothing is crazy
Exactly Acho! The staff matters! Name a current young QB who's been great without a good coach? Lamar / Harbaugh...Pat / Reid...Purdy / Shannahan ... Hurts / Siriani ... Love / LaFleur ... Burrow / Taylor etc. The QB's that struggle have coaches who aren't equipped to help that player reach his true potential (defensive minded with no real experience developing a QB). I honestly think that's why Josh hasn't taken the next step. Losing Dabol was huge! McDermott is not a QB whisperer. Draft the talent...then have a coach who can truly coach them up and develop them. Sometimes QB's can be saved with a coaching change ... look at the jump Trevor made with Pederson. Why do you think Herbert has faded? Why has Kyler not continued to progress? Coaching matters, and FLO wasn't "him" either.
But when it's Dak and The Cowboys it's a problem huh?.. " I agree with Shady"
Why does everyone forget Coach Flores didn’t want Tua so he didn’t play Tua then the GM tried to get Sean Payton and Tom Brady that fell through they get a new coach and Tyreek and Tua been ballin ever since
Tua is one body slam from an early retirement, he will get hurt by week 5! The dolphins should have traded up to get Penix!
So happy you mentioned this! I was hoping... But no, Dolphins don't want to gamble for a new rookie just yet. They should give Panda Tua a Geno Smith deal (3 year, 45 guartd), and see if he steps up and becomes a true POs contender (like Goff, Mayfied, Hurts have). If yes, extend him big time, if not, go for a new one.
Tua literally played games without tyreek last year did he not? lol
Tua is in a good system with lots of weapons. Leverage is a tricky thing.
We can make this same argument about Josh Allen and Hurts without Diggs and AJ Brown. Josh was ok without Diggs, but nowhere near this freakazoid we see now. Hurts was downright awful without Brown. It ain't just Tua. The majority of QBs are going to be worse without high caliber weapons. It's a TEAM GAME. No qb is balling by themselves
Just a dumb comment. How did Hurts get the team to the playoffs if he was "downright awful without Brown"??? 🙄
@@neetrab bro, use some common sense and critical thinking lmao. The man did not have a great year if you watched all the games. The team won enough games to make the playoffs anyway, but he did NOT have a great season by any means. That extended out to the playoffs too where he was destroyed in Tampa where he again played awful
11:40 Finally somebody said it. I LOVED Flores. Black coach! I wanted to support him but he wasn't the best fit here. Tua was always good
Tua 32-19 as a starter, 8 game winning drives. Tua was more of a comeback artist in his early years, he's lost it lately I feel because of Mcdaniels complicated offense he has to think more. Hopefully he loses the playsheet wristband and calls his own plays this year
That’s not fair to throw Burrow in there to say he wasn’t a really good QB before he got Chase. It’s imperative that you emphasize that Burrow was hurt that year. We DID NOT QUESTION Burrow’s ability! Not the same!
All I know is I’ve been a fan since Marino. Had to live thru Cleo lemon, John beck, Matt Moore , ray lucas, Aj freaking feely! Tua the best since Marino. Pay that man. Fins up!
I love how Joy isn't just a pretty face talking football. My future baby's momma drops facts and insights that the dudes just never consider.
Get ya money, we the fans, so loyalty is our job.
9:20 Shady you just started watching Tua NOW! He's always been accurate. Processing was never bad but it was slower as a rookie and sophomore which is expected. Tua us the same guy that got back to his Alabama form post injury. He a system QB like Brady but you really think that's bad? Hill has been better with Tua than Mahomes cause of that system.
Long story short, Tua BEEN this good. Unless he gets hurt or lose ALL his weapons he'll be bottom end top 5 QB stats and bottom end top 10 QB talent
Patrick Mahomes really screwing up current Franchise QB expectations with his results and team friendly contract
It's crazy how they are blasting Tua. Most of those players Tua was playing with are already out of the league. Do they know that? Tua also was being sabotaged by Flores and CO. and switching him with Fitzpatrick. Tua came to the league injured and was trying his best to stay healthy. Josh Allen was nothing until he got some help. What has Herbet done??
Being a Phinfan for 35 years!!!! I'm not content making the play-offs that's the problem with the franchise it should be Super Bowl champions or nothing. Pay Tua and get home field advantage for the play-offs!
Tua had prove that he can roll with the best of them .
Tom Brady didn't push for the biggest contract, he's the example. Look what's happened to guys who get huge contracts.
The only thing I don't like about shady's pre McDaniels and tyreke hill argument is that this doesn't take into account that Tua was still a young developing qb and he was playing for a coach that was a defensive guy. So I don't think he was getting the best out of tua.
Every QB is a system QB. Some can carry a team to wins with talent, but without the right team around them and a system that fits their game they will fail. Tua has all that on offense.
Shady throws hella shade at Tua but ends with “but I really like Tua” make up your mind he had a defensive minded coach that didn’t want him and just about every receiver he had before McDaniel doesn’t even play in the league before minus Waddle
Tua should definitely play. People say it’s bad for teams to wait too long to extend someone because that someone may ball out on their last year and be entitled to an expensive contract. This is Tua’s one opportunity to prove he’s the franchise QB and get paid big.
Hugs to u all!!!
The carpeting that Nick does for Lawrence is wild especially compared to how he approaches someone like Hurts.
“Everybody get your money, we happy for you”….except Daniel Jones. For him we protest every chance we get. “He does not deserve to get his money”