Woww amazing report.. Even after 6 years its rare to see that kind of info on youtube... Thank you for your efforts... Love to see your progress and your place now in this hydrogen hip
Great reporting, rich in detail. Hawaii has everything coming together. Using water as the feed stock with the abundance of solar and wind resources you're focusing on a real path forward, and a model for the 21st century. An energy system (solar-water-hydrogen) operates with no fuel costs, no toxicity, industrial strength, greater safety and higher performance. There's a future in that. Hawaii has everything to gain from this renewable water battery technology driven by distributed solar energy. Economically, the world treats energy as a commodity, if you need it - you pay some vendor for it - the price always changing. The solar water cycle your system demonstrates would change the fundamental economics of energy in Hawaii from a high-cost variable commodity, into a lower fixed cost - reducing energy prices while abating pollution from traditional fuels. Hawaii has a bright future as you accelerate this work. Looking forward to your next report.
Very good. Many of the details of hydrogen production and tank filling I didn't know about. The actual complete hardware and proccesses from a h2 refueling station explained. Wow. already 3 years ago. Hope your still out here.
Given the incredible resources Honda clarity R&D department has I wonder why they couldn't miniaturize this unit from Millenium Reign to fit in their power exporter accessory using the cars tank or a larger tank in a home garage for storage? I think it would be much more useful to reverse it's proccess to be a hydrogen importer. mondrian.mashable.com/wp-content%252Fuploads%252F2015%252F10%252FHonda-Power-Exporter-900.png%252Ffull-fit-in__638x368.png?signature=C6QkVTnSt_ZprJt63xKaPL50kWo=&source=http%3A%2F%2Fmashable.com mashable.com/2015/10/27/honda-clarity-fuel-cell/
How long will the desiccant last before it needs to be changed or recharged?
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i didnt watch the video but my advice is to use quicklime as dessicant because you can throw its waste into a sodium carbonate solution and it will make you sodium hydroxide and calcium carbonate, and calcium can be recycled indefinitely.
Pure water converts to liquid hydrogen at a roughly 1:32 ratio based on the atomic mass of water vs hydrogen. But if you use solar power to convert it, and eventually recycle all involved equipment, you can generate useful power at a fixed cost in a closed cycle since the hydrogen just becomes water again.
liquid H2 needs to be maintained at minus 250C or there abouts, so the cost of getting H2 to liquid state means that unless you do it al large scale it's too expensive to make. The optimum liquid H2 plant produces 30 ton's/day of H2.
Very nice explanation.. love it.. very clear.. If you don't mind Stan, a small question on the h2 market that I can not understand. Why everybody seems to use cylindrical tanks? You said that the biggest issue is the storage.. but I dont understand why nobody take the advantage on the volume/surface ratio benefits of the sphere and the scale. Those cylinder tanks does not take advantage of scale, neither volume/surface ratio. For example: If you use 1 sphere tank with the same surface than 1 cylindric tank, then you get 50% more volume, then if you remplace all those 6 cylindric tank with 1 sphere tank with the same surface than all those cylinders, you get 450% more volume at the same cost. But still.. most applications use it.. why??
First thing I have to say.... This is obviously not Stans channel but someone who has taken the footage and posted it on you tube instead of having to watch it on tv. Now on the the point. Have you ever tried to move a tank of that shape or of that size???? Normal tanks as they are can be very annoying to move and very very heavy. Shape is a very big issue when it comes to that kind of thing. Although I do understand your way of thinking it is very impractical to have something like that for the average person since no one would have a way to move it realistically without help and it would take up allot of ground space in their storage area. With the stand up tanks I believe that you actually get a better amount of storage if you are a company that has to deal with storing the tanks and filling them as well as ship them out.
I was digging more in the cylindrical vs spherical tank issue since my comment.. What I find out is that is not an issue of handling. is because cylindrical shapes were always (mostly in the past) easier and cheap to manufacture, You simply need a flat metal sheet and fold it like a cigarette, but cyindrical has another flaw beyond volume wasted, they resist less pressure. Now with carbon fiber and automatic machines who "paint" layer by layer.. the spherical shape is not longer an issue, that is an issue only if you start from flat metal sheets, but this technology is still new and there is not a huge demand yet, so nobody made big investments to set a factory of spherical tanks.. But this is an opportunity... About the handling, that is the less of your concerns and can be easily fix it in case you care.. but these tanks are not made to move them from one place to another.. PD: I read a PDF where is explained all the details about tanks manufacture, they explain all shapes, I also find info from NASA, which now is experiment with spherical fiber carbon tanks.
Thanks brother . god bless your hard for teaching us. Your beatifull sistem to control hho for pour and rich people . that means you love our planet. God bless you and your family and the people you love and. The people how love you like me .
*I have two questions:* 1. Why don't we generate electricity from hydrogen fuel cells so all vehicles can essentially run electric? Why is there a preference for fuel in the form of hydrogen instead of hydrogen to electric prior to energizing our cars? 2. Why don't we just 'mine' the hydrogen in space? Seems easier than processing water for hydrogen. Best wishes +ThinckTechHawaii :) I found this presentation highly educational, thank you! Hydrogen is the future! - Float Circuit.
Float Circuit I assume #1 energy density and quality of batteries isn't there yet. H gas is a good energy storage method, and can be re used with less waste, #2 space is still costly
How viable would a H2 electric generator be? It seems this could be a great way to store solar energy for use in winter, if it can be stored decently. In summer you end up producing tons of power while in winter the days are very short so it could help. Where would one buy a very high pressure compressor if they wanted to build something like this? Most compressors you can buy only go up to around 135psi.
@@WyattsVlog hydrogen has a very low flash point and using a fridge compressor might cause an internal detonation which you want to avoid LOL . Best and safest way to compress hydrogen is either by cryo method by supercooling it or using an ebsorbant …
@@PhysicsViolator Correct me if I'm wrong but only liquids have flash points. We're talking about pure hydrogen gas. Hydrogen gas has an auto ignition temperature of 500C. So unless your fridge compressor reaches 932°F, your safe. Care to elaborate?
When you say h2 electric generator, that's what a hydrogen fuel cell is (and an electrolyzer is essentially the opposite of that) and yes I think adding a fuel cell to this system as a home storage system for solar is a viable idea. I remember seeing a company selling a product like that not long ago. Can't recall the name now. Combine that with a hydrogen fuel cell electric car and it seems like a nice setup.
Hello Stan, do you think it is possible to have hydrogen generation and dispensing unit at home to charge a Toyota Mirai? If so which ones do you recommend?
You’ll spend more money on the station than on the car itself. LoL. If you really 100% need a car and cannot go with alternative transportation i would suggest a BEV. Better concentrate on building up one working infrastructure than multiple completely different ones. And electric is what works just nice already ;)
What is the reason for storing the oxygen? I expect that most of it is vented as its volume is much more than that of hydrogen. Is a little oxygen used somewhere in the hydrogen production process?
Love you man....this kind of attitude will save this amazing blue planet, still I have a question ..... if they have safe enough liquid hydrogen tank's to fit in cars do you know why they don't just run regular combustion gasoline engines ????......why so expensive fuel cell technology,???
sry to disappoint you but these systems will never work for the masses in this manner, combustion hydrogen engines are extremely inefficient and unreliable, electrolisys is also inefficient, storage is inefficient and more dangerous than any other fuel, and a save storagesystem will be as expensive as a EV. these problems can mostly be overcome, however the list of problems is so long that there are better alternatives.
@@fabianseewald7884 Dude you OK ? Seems to me a little sqitzophrenic .....there are safe enough tanks for liquid Hydrogen in so expensive fuel cells cars and obviously there are safe tanks for liquid Oxygen....., and so your huge problem is solved straight away.
Possible does not mean practical, also why install it if batterys are cheaper saver and you don't need hydrogen fuel station every 100 miles, also i have a mental illness yes, but i also know my stuff
Blue fuel Systems H2o gas I think Fabian is right about certain things. This technology is not well suited for car application, BEVs are simply superior. Trying to make it fit would be a wasted opportunity anyway, since burning hydrogen in gas-powerplants is so much more valuable as aid to balance powergrid-fluctuations caused by renewable energy sources. You could even biologically or chemically methanate the H2 and feed it into the heating gas grid in the winter times. Decarbonising the primary energy resources also means to find a carbon neutral way to heat peoples homes as well. And since the transportation sectors already undergoes a promising technological development it would be unwise to not use h2 in another sector. What do you think?
I think the live of EVs in Hawaii is related to the fact you don’t produce them in Hawaii and don’t ever have to deal with that noxious part of the supply chain. Disposal and replacement is never something battery proponents want to talk about. An “aged” Tesla that needs new batteries can hardly be given away. Same for older Toyota Prius. And by the time you need new batteries the battery tech is advanced so retrofit of batteries becomes another issue. The only positive about battery cars is that the government subsidizes them d sad so heavily that they seem cheap. Take Tesla off the welfare dole and their sparkle dims.
An even better way to store hydrogen is in hydride or lithium 6. The hydride will absorb the hydrogen in high density amounts and won't be released until a heat source is put to it thus making it a controlled release. You could get in a head on collision with another car and the tanks could be crushed or broken in half that has the hydride stored in it and even when the hydride is full of hydrogen it is safe. You could literally shoot incendiary rounds at the tank and it would not explode. The hydrogen again is trapped in the hydride is only released slowly using heat. It's literally the safest way to store and transport hydrogen.
How do you separate the oxy and hydrogen gas produced ? I can use a refrigeration compressor to bottle 450psi but I need to use bladders to separate the gases at vary low pressure.
Stan, enjoyed your video. My question is how much PSI is needed from the storage tank in the vehicle to the fuel cell. We are perfecting a system to run a fuel cell from hydrogen produced on-board the vehicle.
Yes. If you stored hydrogen and oxygen together in the same container that would essentially be a bomb. That is why it is important to store hydrogen with a high purity percent like these machines do.
Akash Saini Mr. Osserman will have better stats and numbers but consider this: a hydrogen leak disperses fast (really fast, which is why, in a combustion engine H-2 works so well) and it disperses upward. Gasoline fumes sink, increasing dangers of combustion as the fumes travel along the ground looking for an ignition source.
The firefighters trained by Dept of Energy national labs all say hydrogen is safer than gasoline or propane. A lot like diesel as far as safety goes, but for different reasons. The main reason is that hydrogen is so light it rises and disburses so fast it's hard to get it to ignite, The storage tanks are also very well designed and strong with safety mechanisms built it.
Carbonized creatine from chicken feathers makes a cheap nesting material for the storage of hydrogen. Out of a unit of water you should get 1883 units of hydroxide or 1,255.33 units of pure hydrogen. i would be very interested to know if those figures approximate your actual results. Thank you for the video.
Hi could I use hydrogen instead of my lpg tanks to power my batch oven. I currently use 7 47kg bottles a week. I’m in the UK and a gas engineer by trade
Installer magazine has an article this month on Hydrogen .Apparently Worcester Bosch is looking into carbon free appliances www.worcester-bosch.co.uk/img/documents/hydrogen/The_Future_of_Fuel.pdf Take a look
Small low pressure tanks can only hold about 20 minutes of cooking time for hydrogen. We've found that small carbon fiber tanks are great, but it's hard to find anyone that can fill them.
Definitely! Fuel cell vehicles all have batteries, the trick is balancing the fuel cell size and the battery size to meet the vehicle mission. Fast or long range, light weight or heavy hauling. most cars have small batteries and larger fuel cells.
I've always said, that I would only go electric if the car would have a very long lead! I am very interested in hydrogen however....... But cars on hydrogen? As far as I know only Toyota makes them😐. That's why I'm still driving on fuel..... There are only two hydrogen tankstations in the Netherlands. A machine as you shown us: how much tank fillings (%) I would have (Toyota!) per 24 hrs?
@@Inertia888 I made hydrogen at home as a 15 year old using two carbon rods from zinc carbon batteries and a model HO train transformer. The setup included two jars inverted upside down in a plastic wash pan so that they were filled with water. One carbon rod was inserted from the underside opening of each jar with the openings of the jars under water. I think the HO transformer was variable with a max of 12 volts. When the power was turned on oxygen bubbled from one rod and hydrogen bubbled from the other. I could tell which was which by the volume of gas produced. If I dropped a match into the oxygen it would would flare bright and burn real fast. The hydrogen would explode with a load pop.
@@voxelmaniam first off, thank you for the detailed description. I may give it try since I'm a bit of a tinkerer myself. So it seems that if hydrogen is easy to harvest than the missing element is the desire to build motors and generators that run on hydrogen?
Solar makes power, it takes 12V at X amps to make hydrogen from water. If you want it for a fuel cell you will be losing power due to friction and heat. If you want it to store as a "battery" then I guess it might be okay as an emergency backup. If you want it as a combustible for stuff like an HHO torch and anything then 110% do it, but use a system that separates the hydrogen and oxygen so you can store them separately. Hydrogen with more than 4% oxygen mixed in will create a bomb in the container.
Lets say some one uses a propane stove to cook with that only requires a 16 ounce tank. Would there be a safe way to set up a solar powered tank refilling station to go hydrogen. Right now 16 ounce of propane lasts me for 30 days to cook, But it also make me dependent on some one else s prices for my fuel.
thank you for the information. Not really wanting a pound of hydrogen. A 1 pound tank of propane lasts me for a month and think 1 pound propane tanks are pressure rated at 425 psi, 250 psi is what they are filled at. I just figured if a pound of propane lasted me a month then 1 ounce of hydrogen would last 2 days between refills. So if I went with say 1/4 of a pound and maybe up the tank size to a 20 pound tank it could be workable.
batterys will be cheaper for you! if you want to store hydrogen and compress it, aswell as have enough for a few days of constant supply the system, you could buy a house for that, hydrogen will never be cheaper than hydrocarbons or pure carbon.
The short answer is that it's better to use a solar stove to cook or use the gas directly off a basic electrolyzer (HOH). The HOH is too dangerous to store, so you just use it as you make it. The long answer is too long for here.
The smallest one they make is still a bit expensive at $95,000, but it's easy to operate and maintain, and best of all it's considered an appliance (like a refrigerator). so few permitting issues and you have your own gas station at your house.
Hello Stan, I just watch this video almost 2 years later.... I have few questions.. everybody is talking about Fuel cell and I like them ... as a matter of fact all hydrogen form of energy. But I m with a group who still like spark ignition engines, especially since I would like to restore old cars and run them with hydrogen( I was sold to hydrogen 40years ago, because a magazine said: you can burn it on a v8 motor too) ... if I m able to make a solid hydrogen storage tank Eg: metal hydride, with low pressure: no more than 1000 psi. Will your H2 dispenser handle it??
hydrogen is extremely hot while burning and can damage an engine especially an old one, hydrogen can push atoms through solid steel and even attack a metal storage, however natural gas is a good alternative for classic cars and less dangerous and cheaper and you don´t need a huge storage system.
Im just leaving you with the information that you can either chemically or biologically methanate H2. Methane is basically natural gas/heating gas. Don’t know if it’s still relevant for you a year later now.
The Millennium Reign Energy equipment in this video can fill up to 5,000 psi tanks. There's also a UK car show that runs on the "Motor Trend" channels that does electric conversions and they have done one fuel cell conversions. Internal combustion engines don't do well with Hydrogen unless you can inject it under pressure and delay the timing so you are injecting just prior to top-dead-center.
Just subscribed, I'm very interested in hydrogen displacing traditional fuels because we are in the grips of OPEC. I like HHO more though, it's less expensive to produce,
Hence the reason for the flash-back arresters used with the torches. When HHO burns it is more of a detonation than an explosion. Ever seen what happens when you fill a balloon with HHO and release it? It rises, making it very difficult to confine, and the hydrogen atom itself is so small that it is difficult to contain pure hydrogen.
Its intresting but the way current hydrogen cars work are very different from what i intend to do i want to custom build a car with a twin cylinder motor that uses hydrogen as a combustable source its not as stable but it could be effective if done right
how many kilowatt hours to produce one kilogram of hydrogen? How much does hydrogen go for there? Edit: See, these are not comments that are helpful. My research (but the results were really ambiguous) leads me to believe that it takes between twenty and fifty KW/H to produce a kilogram of hydrogen. But that's a huge range. I was really hoping to narrow it down. Similarly, research is really unspecific, but it's somewhere between $3 and $16 per kilogram for hydrogen. Again, that's a very broad range. For people wondering if this could be a going concern, these differences matter.
it depends, hydrogen is mostly extracted from natural gas as it is the cheapest method to come by, electrolisis is very inefficient and you have to do the reverse wich is similarly inefficient, that´s why hydrogen isn´t compatative as prices are concerned
Let's say you used exactly 2 gallons of distilled water to make your hydrogen. If you connected the tank to a hydrogen generator: How much distilled water would you get back from the exhaust after using up all your hydrogen?
I agree this fuel cell is a lie or more to the point unnecessary and has been don't to confuse the truth, I am telling you this because over forty years ago I was shown a Holden Kingswood run on tap water with no fuel cell at all, he filled his fuel tank with strait tap water and showed it was going into the carburettor. He only gave us a quick description on how he did it as he was trying to sell it to Holden but got told they were not interested and got the same from Ford as well and after that he was visited by two men that told him to keep his mouth shut, but when he showed it to us there was a twenty seven year old that had seen it as well and built his own two years later and the man who showed it to us was killed, But what he told us was all he did was increase the jets in his carburettor and built this coil he had mounted on the side of the motor that was about 4x4 inches in size to burn the water and that was it, no fuel cell at all, when water is placed under a vacuum and hit with x-ray frequency releases hydrogen and is what I think is going on with this system and is as safe as. I know this is real and is a fact so to say it is fake is not quite correct it is just being done the wrong way.
so the car ran on batterys to fuel the coil and had a watertank? if you seperate water to combine it again your engine produces less power than the process needed to fuel the seperation? maybe they weren´t interested because it´s pointless to create hydrogen to burn it.
this entire system needs to be produced in huge volumes so the costs can come down. from 100K to 10K then it will have a chance for individuals to produce their own. OR 1 of these per 10 block radius in a co-operative buy with all individuals in 10 block radius sharing the pump and supplying the power from solar to it
And that’s good! Don’t unnecessarily push h2 in the transportation sector. It’s not gonna happen. German government still tries just this and every educated person on this topic I know cringes everytime it’s mentioned in the news...
I agree this fuel cell is a lie or more to the point unnecessary and has been don't to confuse the truth, I am telling you this because over forty years ago I was shown a Holden Kingswood run on tap water with no fuel cell at all, he filled his fuel tank with strait tap water and showed it was going into the carburettor. He only gave us a quick description on how he did it as he was trying to sell it to Holden but got told they were not interested and got the same from Ford as well and after that he was visited by two men that told him to keep his mouth shut, but when he showed it to us there was a twenty seven year old that had seen it as well and built his own two years later and the man who showed it to us was killed, But what he told us was all he did was increase the jets in his carburettor to twice there size to allow enough water in and built this coil he had mounted on the side of the motor that was about 4x4 inches in size to burn the water and that was it no fuel cell at all, when water is placed under a vacuum and hit with x-ray frequency it releases hydrogen and is what I think is going on with this system and is as safe as. I know this is real I have seen it done. It is just being done the wrong way.
@Stan Osserman You don't need a fuel cell at all just increase the fuel jets in the carburetor to allow enough water into the motor and a high voltage x-ray frequency to burn the water in the motor nothing more.
Woww amazing report.. Even after 6 years its rare to see that kind of info on youtube... Thank you for your efforts... Love to see your progress and your place now in this hydrogen hip
Very informative video, thanks for uploading it.
What’s the chance of owning a hydrogen generator and becoming the new gas station without a major supplier. Start up cost ?
Great reporting, rich in detail. Hawaii has everything coming together. Using water as the feed stock with the abundance of solar and wind resources you're focusing on a real path forward, and a model for the 21st century. An energy system (solar-water-hydrogen) operates with no fuel costs, no toxicity, industrial strength, greater safety and higher performance. There's a future in that. Hawaii has everything to gain from this renewable water battery technology driven by distributed solar energy. Economically, the world treats energy as a commodity, if you need it - you pay some vendor for it - the price always changing. The solar water cycle your system demonstrates would change the fundamental economics of energy in Hawaii from a high-cost variable commodity, into a lower fixed cost - reducing energy prices while abating pollution from traditional fuels. Hawaii has a bright future as you accelerate this work. Looking forward to your next report.
I know this is a older video...
But WOW the best video ever herd...
Thanks for the feedback. We're still doing shows on Think Tech!
Very good video. Thx
Awesome video.
Very good. Many of the details of hydrogen production and tank filling I didn't know about. The actual complete hardware and proccesses from a h2 refueling station explained. Wow. already 3 years ago. Hope your still out here.
Given the incredible resources Honda clarity R&D department has I wonder why they couldn't miniaturize this unit from Millenium Reign to fit in their power exporter accessory using the cars tank or a larger tank in a home garage for storage? I think it would be much more useful to reverse it's proccess to be a hydrogen importer.
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Thanks for the inspiration.
Answered questions a lot of other vids don't
How long will the desiccant last before it needs to be changed or recharged?
i didnt watch the video but my advice is to use quicklime as dessicant because you can throw its waste into a sodium carbonate solution and it will make you sodium hydroxide and calcium carbonate, and calcium can be recycled indefinitely.
Depends on use, but full time would be about once per year.
Pure water converts to liquid hydrogen at a roughly 1:32 ratio based on the atomic mass of water vs hydrogen. But if you use solar power to convert it, and eventually recycle all involved equipment, you can generate useful power at a fixed cost in a closed cycle since the hydrogen just becomes water again.
liquid H2 needs to be maintained at minus 250C or there abouts, so the cost of getting H2 to liquid state means that unless you do it al large scale it's too expensive to make. The optimum liquid H2 plant produces 30 ton's/day of H2.
I am a long time (22 yrs) former resident of the Kingdom of Hawaii. I would subscribe here just for the opening theme song if for nothing else.
I have a thousand gallon tank for propane. What’s the chance that could convert to hydrogen and what’s coming for home heating hydrogen furnace ?
Very nice explanation.. love it.. very clear..
If you don't mind Stan, a small question on the h2 market that I can not understand.
Why everybody seems to use cylindrical tanks?
You said that the biggest issue is the storage.. but I dont understand why nobody take the advantage on the volume/surface ratio benefits of the sphere and the scale.
Those cylinder tanks does not take advantage of scale, neither volume/surface ratio.
For example:
If you use 1 sphere tank with the same surface than 1 cylindric tank, then you get 50% more volume, then if you remplace all those 6 cylindric tank with 1 sphere tank with the same surface than all those cylinders, you get 450% more volume at the same cost.
But still.. most applications use it.. why??
First thing I have to say.... This is obviously not Stans channel but someone who has taken the footage and posted it on you tube instead of having to watch it on tv. Now on the the point.
Have you ever tried to move a tank of that shape or of that size???? Normal tanks as they are can be very annoying to move and very very heavy. Shape is a very big issue when it comes to that kind of thing. Although I do understand your way of thinking it is very impractical to have something like that for the average person since no one would have a way to move it realistically without help and it would take up allot of ground space in their storage area. With the stand up tanks I believe that you actually get a better amount of storage if you are a company that has to deal with storing the tanks and filling them as well as ship them out.
I was digging more in the cylindrical vs spherical tank issue since my comment..
What I find out is that is not an issue of handling. is because cylindrical shapes were always (mostly in the past) easier and cheap to manufacture, You simply need a flat metal sheet and fold it like a cigarette, but cyindrical has another flaw beyond volume wasted, they resist less pressure. Now with carbon fiber and automatic machines who "paint" layer by layer.. the spherical shape is not longer an issue, that is an issue only if you start from flat metal sheets, but this technology is still new and there is not a huge demand yet, so nobody made big investments to set a factory of spherical tanks.. But this is an opportunity... About the handling, that is the less of your concerns and can be easily fix it in case you care.. but these tanks are not made to move them from one place to another..
PD: I read a PDF where is explained all the details about tanks manufacture, they explain all shapes, I also find info from NASA, which now is experiment with spherical fiber carbon tanks.
manufacturing cylinders is easier than spheres, i guess
The strongest tank for a gas under pressure is a sphere, the second is a cylinder, after that there are too many weak points that lead to failure.
Thanks brother . god bless your hard for teaching us. Your beatifull sistem to control hho for pour and rich people . that means you love our planet. God bless you and your family and the people you love and. The people how love you like me .
At a young age I was fascinated by Hydrogen. It's good to see the positive attention you give it! Wish you the very best and your company too!
*I have two questions:*
1. Why don't we generate electricity from hydrogen fuel cells so all vehicles can essentially run electric? Why is there a preference for fuel in the form of hydrogen instead of hydrogen to electric prior to energizing our cars?
2. Why don't we just 'mine' the hydrogen in space? Seems easier than processing water for hydrogen.
Best wishes +ThinckTechHawaii :)
I found this presentation highly educational, thank you! Hydrogen is the future!
- Float Circuit.
Float Circuit I assume #1 energy density and quality of batteries isn't there yet. H gas is a good energy storage method, and can be re used with less waste, #2 space is still costly
Thank you +RangerOberon, I appreciate your answer.
no, it isn´t, also spacemining gas? how? fuelcells are very inefficient!
How viable would a H2 electric generator be? It seems this could be a great way to store solar energy for use in winter, if it can be stored decently. In summer you end up producing tons of power while in winter the days are very short so it could help. Where would one buy a very high pressure compressor if they wanted to build something like this? Most compressors you can buy only go up to around 135psi.
Anyone?? Have you learned anything about finding a compressor? What is the style/name of the compressor that this system uses?
@@natiej Fridge compressors
@@WyattsVlog hydrogen has a very low flash point and using a fridge compressor might cause an internal detonation which you want to avoid LOL . Best and safest way to compress hydrogen is either by cryo method by supercooling it or using an ebsorbant …
@@PhysicsViolator Correct me if I'm wrong but only liquids have flash points. We're talking about pure hydrogen gas. Hydrogen gas has an auto ignition temperature of 500C. So unless your fridge compressor reaches 932°F, your safe. Care to elaborate?
When you say h2 electric generator, that's what a hydrogen fuel cell is (and an electrolyzer is essentially the opposite of that) and yes I think adding a fuel cell to this system as a home storage system for solar is a viable idea. I remember seeing a company selling a product like that not long ago. Can't recall the name now. Combine that with a hydrogen fuel cell electric car and it seems like a nice setup.
Hello Stan, do you think it is possible to have hydrogen generation and dispensing unit at home to charge a Toyota Mirai?
If so which ones do you recommend?
don´t do this as a private person it makes no sense from any standpoint, install a battery at home and use photovaltaik directly
You’ll spend more money on the station than on the car itself. LoL. If you really 100% need a car and cannot go with alternative transportation i would suggest a BEV. Better concentrate on building up one working infrastructure than multiple completely different ones. And electric is what works just nice already ;)
What is the reason for storing the oxygen? I expect that most of it is vented as its volume is much more than that of hydrogen. Is a little oxygen used somewhere in the hydrogen production process?
Love you man....this kind of attitude will save this amazing blue planet, still I have a question ..... if they have safe enough liquid hydrogen tank's to fit in cars do you know why they don't just run regular combustion gasoline engines ????......why so expensive fuel cell technology,???
sry to disappoint you but these systems will never work for the masses in this manner, combustion hydrogen engines are extremely inefficient and unreliable, electrolisys is also inefficient, storage is inefficient and more dangerous than any other fuel, and a save storagesystem will be as expensive as a EV. these problems can mostly be overcome, however the list of problems is so long that there are better alternatives.
@@fabianseewald7884 Dude you OK ? Seems to me a little sqitzophrenic .....there are safe enough tanks for liquid Hydrogen in so expensive fuel cells cars and obviously there are safe tanks for liquid Oxygen....., and so your huge problem is solved straight away.
Possible does not mean practical, also why install it if batterys are cheaper saver and you don't need hydrogen fuel station every 100 miles, also i have a mental illness yes, but i also know my stuff
Blue fuel Systems H2o gas I think Fabian is right about certain things. This technology is not well suited for car application, BEVs are simply superior. Trying to make it fit would be a wasted opportunity anyway, since burning hydrogen in gas-powerplants is so much more valuable as aid to balance powergrid-fluctuations caused by renewable energy sources. You could even biologically or chemically methanate the H2 and feed it into the heating gas grid in the winter times. Decarbonising the primary energy resources also means to find a carbon neutral way to heat peoples homes as well. And since the transportation sectors already undergoes a promising technological development it would be unwise to not use h2 in another sector. What do you think?
I think the live of EVs in Hawaii is related to the fact you don’t produce them in Hawaii and don’t ever have to deal with that noxious part of the supply chain. Disposal and replacement is never something battery proponents want to talk about. An “aged” Tesla that needs new batteries can hardly be given away. Same for older Toyota Prius. And by the time you need new batteries the battery tech is advanced so retrofit of batteries becomes another issue. The only positive about battery cars is that the government subsidizes them d sad so heavily that they seem cheap. Take Tesla off the welfare dole and their sparkle dims.
An even better way to store hydrogen is in hydride or lithium 6. The hydride will absorb the hydrogen in high density amounts and won't be released until a heat source is put to it thus making it a controlled release. You could get in a head on collision with another car and the tanks could be crushed or broken in half that has the hydride stored in it and even when the hydride is full of hydrogen it is safe. You could literally shoot incendiary rounds at the tank and it would not explode. The hydrogen again is trapped in the hydride is only released slowly using heat. It's literally the safest way to store and transport hydrogen.
What if a civil disturbance or major fire happened in the near vicinity of the pumping station what is the potential for a major explosion?
I am an American retired in Thailand , I am an old metal worker / shop teacher interested in hydrogen & oxygen production .
How do you separate the oxy and hydrogen gas produced ? I can use a refrigeration compressor to bottle 450psi but I need to use bladders to separate the gases at vary low pressure.
Something people don’t take into account with H-2 is that it has a very high dispersal rate and it will rise.
Stan, enjoyed your video. My question is how much PSI is needed from the storage tank in the vehicle to the fuel cell. We are perfecting a system to run a fuel cell from hydrogen produced on-board the vehicle.
how will you produce hydrogen onboard? are you talking about a ship or something?
Fabian Seewald there is no on vehicle H-2 production. There is an H-2 tank that is refilled.
@@oddjobbobb what do you mean i don't follow
Producing h onboard how will this be efficient? If you decide to burn money maybe you should instead donate to charity
the pressure into the fuel cell is rather low. Depending o the fuel cell it's between 25-100 psi.
So slept on
Is it true that you can't or shouldn't store liquid hydrogen and oxygen together in the same container?
Yes. If you stored hydrogen and oxygen together in the same container that would essentially be a bomb. That is why it is important to store hydrogen with a high purity percent like these machines do.
How can I make solar panel to produce green hydrogen and safely store it in gaseous form?
amazig video ! can u clear my doubt ? how much safe is this hydroge energy storage as compared to gasoline storage systems
Akash Saini Mr. Osserman will have better stats and numbers but consider this: a hydrogen leak disperses fast (really fast, which is why, in a combustion engine H-2 works so well) and it disperses upward. Gasoline fumes sink, increasing dangers of combustion as the fumes travel along the ground looking for an ignition source.
The firefighters trained by Dept of Energy national labs all say hydrogen is safer than gasoline or propane. A lot like diesel as far as safety goes, but for different reasons. The main reason is that hydrogen is so light it rises and disburses so fast it's hard to get it to ignite, The storage tanks are also very well designed and strong with safety mechanisms built it.
@ThinkTech Hawaii Do you have a link to purchase this system?
Are the videos real that show home made hydgens running vehicle ?
hydrogen seems like its what aliens tank up their ships with.
Am so interested in this innovation in the hydrogen energy i will like to contact for question on a project am working on if it is ok
Why is this info not within the main media?
Carbonized creatine from chicken feathers makes a cheap nesting material for the storage of hydrogen. Out of a unit of water you should get 1883 units of hydroxide or 1,255.33 units of pure hydrogen. i would be very interested to know if those figures approximate your actual results. Thank you for the video.
Units on 0-10000 or 0-5000?
@@makojuicedaniel9307 overall ratio is 1-1883. i.e. one gallon of water will produce 1883 gallons of fuel (hydroxide gas).
I want to set this up on the 9th island!!!
Ayyye me too, I just don't got the capital or the connections sadly. But I'd be glad to help
can qualified plumbers install this station?
Hi could I use hydrogen instead of my lpg tanks to power my batch oven. I currently use 7 47kg bottles a week.
I’m in the UK and a gas engineer by trade
Installer magazine has an article this month on Hydrogen .Apparently Worcester Bosch is looking into carbon free appliances www.worcester-bosch.co.uk/img/documents/hydrogen/The_Future_of_Fuel.pdf Take a look
why, it will never be cheaper than lpg, nore will it be easy to come by, and storage is the mainproblem with hydrogen
Small low pressure tanks can only hold about 20 minutes of cooking time for hydrogen. We've found that small carbon fiber tanks are great, but it's hard to find anyone that can fill them.
Aloha Mr Guru. What I would like to own is a battery electric car with a hydrogen fuel cell generator as a range extender. Does that sound feasible?
Definitely! Fuel cell vehicles all have batteries, the trick is balancing the fuel cell size and the battery size to meet the vehicle mission. Fast or long range, light weight or heavy hauling. most cars have small batteries and larger fuel cells.
I've always said, that I would only go electric if the car would have a very long lead! I am very interested in hydrogen however....... But cars on hydrogen? As far as I know only Toyota makes them😐. That's why I'm still driving on fuel..... There are only two hydrogen tankstations in the Netherlands. A machine as you shown us: how much tank fillings (%) I would have (Toyota!) per 24 hrs?
Why we require making, storing, and dispensing infrastructure instead of directly making fresh hydrogen by electrolyzer and use it directly?
I imagine a future where people have the technology to make H2 at home.
@@Inertia888 I made hydrogen at home as a 15 year old using two carbon rods from zinc carbon batteries and a model HO train transformer. The setup included two jars inverted upside down in a plastic wash pan so that they were filled with water. One carbon rod was inserted from the underside opening of each jar with the openings of the jars under water. I think the HO transformer was variable with a max of 12 volts. When the power was turned on oxygen bubbled from one rod and hydrogen bubbled from the other. I could tell which was which by the volume of gas produced. If I dropped a match into the oxygen it would would flare bright and burn real fast. The hydrogen would explode with a load pop.
@@Inertia888 it isn't that hard to do it
@@voxelmaniam first off, thank you for the detailed description. I may give it try since I'm a bit of a tinkerer myself. So it seems that if hydrogen is easy to harvest than the missing element is the desire to build motors and generators that run on hydrogen?
it´s inefficient, batterys work better
Thanks would like to hear more about using excess solar to make h2
@Stan Osserman yes indeed
you get arround 40% of you electric energy as hydrogen, than you have to convert it again with about 40% efficiency, if your system is very good.
Solar makes power, it takes 12V at X amps to make hydrogen from water. If you want it for a fuel cell you will be losing power due to friction and heat.
If you want it to store as a "battery" then I guess it might be okay as an emergency backup.
If you want it as a combustible for stuff like an HHO torch and anything then 110% do it, but use a system that separates the hydrogen and oxygen so you can store them separately.
Hydrogen with more than 4% oxygen mixed in will create a bomb in the container.
Can you use hydrogen instead of propane to forge steel to make knives etc on a small scale?
yes, but propane is far cheaper
induction can be used to forge if you have excess electricity
You'd have to ask a metallurgist on that topic. There is no carbon in hydrogen and that may be a problem for steel.
Lets say some one uses a propane stove to cook with that only requires a 16 ounce tank. Would there be a safe way to set up a solar powered tank refilling station to go hydrogen. Right now 16 ounce of propane lasts me for 30 days to cook, But it also make me dependent on some one else s prices for my fuel.
thank you for the information. Not really wanting a pound of hydrogen. A 1 pound tank of propane lasts me for a month and think 1 pound propane tanks are pressure rated at 425 psi, 250 psi is what they are filled at. I just figured if a pound of propane lasted me a month then 1 ounce of hydrogen would last 2 days between refills. So if I went with say 1/4 of a pound and maybe up the tank size to a 20 pound tank it could be workable.
batterys will be cheaper for you! if you want to store hydrogen and compress it, aswell as have enough for a few days of constant supply the system, you could buy a house for that, hydrogen will never be cheaper than hydrocarbons or pure carbon.
The short answer is that it's better to use a solar stove to cook or use the gas directly off a basic electrolyzer (HOH). The HOH is too dangerous to store, so you just use it as you make it. The long answer is too long for here.
How much is this system cost?
The smallest one they make is still a bit expensive at $95,000, but it's easy to operate and maintain, and best of all it's considered an appliance (like a refrigerator). so few permitting issues and you have your own gas station at your house.
What's the cost?
Hello Stan, I just watch this video almost 2 years later.... I have few questions.. everybody is talking about Fuel cell and I like them ... as a matter of fact all hydrogen form of energy. But I m with a group who still like spark ignition engines, especially since I would like to restore old cars and run them with hydrogen( I was sold to hydrogen 40years ago, because a magazine said: you can burn it on a v8 motor too) ... if I m able to make a solid hydrogen storage tank Eg: metal hydride, with low pressure: no more than 1000 psi. Will your H2 dispenser handle it??
hydrogen is extremely hot while burning and can damage an engine especially an old one, hydrogen can push atoms through solid steel and even attack a metal storage, however natural gas is a good alternative for classic cars and less dangerous and cheaper and you don´t need a huge storage system.
Im just leaving you with the information that you can either chemically or biologically methanate H2. Methane is basically natural gas/heating gas. Don’t know if it’s still relevant for you a year later now.
The Millennium Reign Energy equipment in this video can fill up to 5,000 psi tanks. There's also a UK car show that runs on the "Motor Trend" channels that does electric conversions and they have done one fuel cell conversions. Internal combustion engines don't do well with Hydrogen unless you can inject it under pressure and delay the timing so you are injecting just prior to top-dead-center.
Just subscribed, I'm very interested in hydrogen displacing traditional fuels because we are in the grips of OPEC. I like HHO more though, it's less expensive to produce,
Hence the reason for the flash-back arresters used with the torches. When HHO burns it is more of a detonation than an explosion. Ever seen what happens when you fill a balloon with HHO and release it? It rises, making it very difficult to confine, and the hydrogen atom itself is so small that it is difficult to contain pure hydrogen.
yeah, it´s expensive to produce ecological if you don´t seperate natural gas.
Sounds like a great product but the contact phone number doesn't work ☹️
You had me until you said 120000. Do you sell just the filtration part that purified the hydrogen to 99.99%
How do I order one of these ?
Call MRE at 937 -479- 1994 ask for Chris
Its intresting but the way current hydrogen cars work are very different from what i intend to do i want to custom build a car with a twin cylinder motor that uses hydrogen as a combustable source its not as stable but it could be effective if done right
What about storing the hydrogen in tanks of metal hydride ?
It's being done now, but they're still perfecting the systems.
Wot about using Hydride?
21:10 that's right kings, that's the last thing you want to do
how many kilowatt hours to produce one kilogram of hydrogen? How much does hydrogen go for there?
Edit: See, these are not comments that are helpful. My research (but the results were really ambiguous) leads me to believe that it takes between twenty and fifty KW/H to produce a kilogram of hydrogen. But that's a huge range. I was really hoping to narrow it down. Similarly, research is really unspecific, but it's somewhere between $3 and $16 per kilogram for hydrogen. Again, that's a very broad range. For people wondering if this could be a going concern, these differences matter.
Josh Bobst if he had solar panel he can make it off the power grid
it depends, hydrogen is mostly extracted from natural gas as it is the cheapest method to come by, electrolisis is very inefficient and you have to do the reverse wich is similarly inefficient, that´s why hydrogen isn´t compatative as prices are concerned
Let's say you used exactly 2 gallons of distilled water to make your hydrogen. If you connected the tank to a hydrogen generator: How much distilled water would you get back from the exhaust after using up all your hydrogen?
Probably a bit over a gallon, maybe even up to 1.5 gallons.
@@stanosserman4050 okay....thank you
Unfortunately, producing a significant quantity of hydrogen cleanly is too difficult. It will never be anything more than a minor fuel source..
I’d like to build something similar with IOT enabled components
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Wish I Had a mini version of your system to launch high altitude balloons.
Bullish on hydrogen ❤
What is the high pressure tank made of?
I thought steel couldn't be used as the hydrogen would weaken it over time.
Now I just need a cheap 5 kw fuel cell and I'm set.
High pressure tanks are usually "Type 3" carbon fiber. They are very strong and have a working pressure up to 10,000 psi
u didnt mention all the evironmental issues that oil causes and needs money and resources spent on...
why not use rainwater?
because rainwater contains impuritys, electrolisis creates dangerous byproducts when not used with extreme care
Shipping container Solar Power Plant Hydrogen Converters?
I agree this fuel cell is a lie or more to the point
unnecessary and has been don't to confuse the truth, I am telling you this
because over forty years ago I was shown a Holden Kingswood run on tap water
with no fuel cell at all, he filled his fuel tank with strait tap water and
showed it was going into the carburettor.
He only gave us a quick description on how he did it as he was trying to sell
it to Holden but got told they were not interested and got the same from Ford
as well and after that he was visited by two men that told him to keep his
mouth shut, but when he showed it to us there was a twenty seven year old that
had seen it as well and built his own two years later and the man who showed it
to us was killed,
But what he told us was all he did was increase the jets in his carburettor and
built this coil he had mounted on the side of the motor that was about 4x4
inches in size to burn the water and that was it, no fuel cell at all, when
water is placed under a vacuum and hit with x-ray frequency releases hydrogen
and is what I think is going on with this system and is as safe as.
I know this is real and is a fact so to say it is fake is not quite correct it
is just being done the wrong way.
so the car ran on batterys to fuel the coil and had a watertank?
if you seperate water to combine it again your engine produces less power than the process needed to fuel the seperation?
maybe they weren´t interested because it´s pointless to create hydrogen to burn it.
Lpm ?
MILITARY THATS FUNNY CHECK OUT SOME NAVEY THEY ARE USING IT
linear accelerator to produce 5000 times more energy than input
Great video even tho it's super boomer in format lol
this entire system needs to be produced in huge volumes so the costs can come down. from 100K to 10K then it will have a chance for individuals to produce their own. OR 1 of these per 10 block radius in a co-operative buy with all individuals in 10 block radius sharing the pump and supplying the power from solar to it
Hydrogen atoms are so small that it can leak through piped transport
All that water has to go somewhere. Flooding
Are you collecting oxygen into containers? Hospitals are running out...
we would like to connect this to www.vertogen.eu
5000 psi is more explosive
Cringe at how close you are to the green screen!
I DONT THINK OIL COMPANIES LIKE THIS
Correct
There's so many more electric cars for sale compared to hydrogen.
because they work
And that’s good! Don’t unnecessarily push h2 in the transportation sector. It’s not gonna happen. German government still tries just this and every educated person on this topic I know cringes everytime it’s mentioned in the news...
I agree this fuel cell is a lie or more to the point
unnecessary and has been don't to confuse the truth, I am telling you this
because over forty years ago I was shown a Holden Kingswood run on tap water
with no fuel cell at all, he filled his fuel tank with strait tap water and
showed it was going into the carburettor.
He only gave us a quick description on how he did it as he was trying to sell
it to Holden but got told they were not interested and got the same from Ford
as well and after that he was visited by two men that told him to keep his
mouth shut, but when he showed it to us there was a twenty seven year old that
had seen it as well and built his own two years later and the man who showed it
to us was killed,
But what he told us was all he did was increase the jets in his carburettor to twice there size to allow enough water in and
built this coil he had mounted on the side of the motor that was about 4x4
inches in size to burn the water and that was it no fuel cell at all, when
water is placed under a vacuum and hit with x-ray frequency it releases hydrogen
and is what I think is going on with this system and is as safe as.
I know this is real I have seen it done.
It is just being done the wrong way.
@Stan Osserman
You don't need a fuel cell at all just increase the fuel jets in the carburetor to allow enough water into the motor and a high voltage x-ray frequency to burn the water in the motor nothing more.