Ion think that’s her ultimate I think it’s just a finisher nd there’s different versions of finishers I’ve seen regular bankai ichigo do 2 different finishers
Important note: First gameplay was done by players who knows the control and to showcase the gameplay, and then it was just the voice actors + tite kubo having fun. They don't know how to play video games (especially fighting game) so please be lenient toward them!
EDIT: Yh, none of you have a business mind. Someone even saying I lack a moral compass for my comment lmao. Competitive fighting games already struggle from lack of numbers. Most don’t last long. Sure, the showcase uses VAs and “the goat himself” but that isn’t what people will remember. They’ll remember how they felt watching the gameplay. Was it fast? Exciting? Did they have a burning passion to buy it? That’s marketing. Someone said I wanted a “western showcase”. That’s also brain-dead. I wanted good marketing regardless of culture. The game will not last. It’s average at best. People will buy it, then like all the others, player count will significantly drop within a year. You guys always do this. Heavy support for the trailer but you’ll drop off within a year. Mark my words. Why be lenient? It makes NO SENSE to get such people to showcase the game. Like what kind of brain-dead marketing is this? Who would watch inexperienced people play the game and say “you know what? This BORING gameplay is exactly what I need”.
@@clickbaitpolice9792 cultural difference. Seiyu (voice actors) are really respected and important in Japan. That's why they are invited everywhere like celebrities
@@clickbaitpolice9792 you act like your a expert gamer. they played fine it was enjoyable, none of us haven't even played the game to be critiquing gameplay of players who were just having fun.
I don't know about being disappointed but this a first year where both connection Naruto, DBZ sparking zero and bleach ros all from the big 3 is beyond amazing
@@Fullmetaljackal He's actually telling the truth DBZ has never been considered part of the big 3 it's always been OP, Bleach and Naruto that's not to say DBZ isn't good but it's not one of the big 3
I 100% love the vibe this game has. From the early 2000s vibe it has from some of the music and the announcer going *nuts* with the little callouts to the gameplay looking weighty and fun to play, this game is gonna be a banger.
This what I finally needed to see from this game just to see how it’s all put together and flow of it I think we eating bleach culture 🤝🏽🔥 even the music sound like an old school arcade room 😭🔥
Honestly didnt think it would look this good. It looks as stylish as the anime did. The strike back, soul break, and now or never text that appear during certain attacks and counters was a really cool choice. Reminds me of persona games. I'm much more hype for this now
Honestly the camera system and the 2.5D movement system looks similar to some competitive fighting game but the problem is the movement is too slow and even the default combo looks like it was copied from a storm game but slower
@@potato-b4cyou think so? That’s interesting. There were moments where I saw a lot of possibilities for whiffing , and the movement looks like it has a lot of room for unique set ups, and even some fake outs. Maybe when we all get to play it the speed will show
I was worried before on the gameplay but now I feel its a lot better than I expected. Only things I think that will take getting use to will be that the concept of a super/ultimate move doesn't really exist until you soul break or for soul destruction. So its not a move you can power up for to unleash. Now the little gripes I have (more like nitpicking): - The announcer sounds a little weird with the whole "Soooulll Brrreeeaaakk~" and "sooouull dessstruction" - Maybe its the way its said or the voice but its a bit funny to me - Sometime when the characters fall like with Rukia gameplay; when she is launched from the sky to ground she gets stuck or drifts into the ground for quite some time before standing back up. - Wish they showed more of the Mask mechanic with Ichigo (but I guess they getting used to playing it so can't blame them) - I noticed that the players don't have an option to dash towards the opponent ... which I can see being irritating if you constantly far away fighting someone like Gin or Byakuya. IF there was a quick/long dash function towards the opponent like in the storm games; then I think it would balance things out for close vs long range fighters. (Then again I guess you can always use flash step to get to them) - Still trying to get use to the UI, I find it's a bit too big and take up a decent portion of the top and bottom of the screen ... especially with the additional text like Evolution and what not. I'd want to see the characters, environment and the destruction ... so hope they shrink it a bit or find a way to make it cover less of the screen. - Lastly, wish there was clothes/battle damage in the upcoming builds; the minor stage destruction is good but battle damage would really add to it and maximize the impact of moves. Not hating and still super hyped for the game; it definitely surpassed my expectations compared to the very first (edited) gameplay trailer shown. Leaks sort of confirmed its coming in 2025 ... so I think they have time to polish the game more just like the sparking zero team (at least I hope they follow their approach to listening to fans and working on it for various test builds) What do y'all think? Hyped for the game as well? Shared any of the minor nitpicked points?
@@bankaimaster999 I definitely agree. battle damage should’ve been included, I was also thinking maybe they should’ve put in secret ending a little cinematic scene against opponents they fought or lost too. Like how in dbfz goku vs beerus have a nice one together. I also see why the rukia gameplay did look off when launched like that
@@KonohasHero You see the ground stuff in the last match with Byakuya and Yoruichi as well. Other than that I agree with you but it could be something they include later after taking some feedback. So far its only been the VAs that played the game and gave feedback; so like I said I hope the studio puts out a demo sooner than later to gather feedback to polish this and for us to get a better understanding of the mechanics as well. Still its very promising so far and hyped to get a proper bleach game ... they can take their time to improve it because Sparking Zero will hold me over for anime games in the mean time
im a little bummed at the size of the battles they seem too up close, in pair with your dashing points. i expected bigger arenas with fast movement, seems a little too close to tekken for me
Clothes damage is starting to be overrated with how often and frequently people expect it in anime fighters. I prefer prioritizing smoother gameplay over flash aesthetics at this point. I thought people were over the Storm series formula.
With Mark Okita* voices over during the battle, it sounds & feels like a Kamen Rider game 😅 *Mark Okita is the voice for Kamen Rider Decade & Diend's drivers + has voiced in the Climax Heroes games. If anyone was wondering.
It's so cliché, it's so OLD SCHOOL, year 2000, the old pop music when yoruichi transforms and the referee's voice which is exactly the same as in KOF MAXIMUM IMPACT. I love it ♥😍😍😍😍
The music at the very least is good stuff. I'm curious whether there is a dash mechanic, because I don't like the idea of multiple characters just being smacked down from half a screen away by Byakuya or Gin with no recourse.
I’m almost convinced there will be several different versions of characters with these builds. Ichigo and byakuya will at the very least need a hueco mundo version because byakuya doesn’t even have gokei and ichigo doesn’t have a mask. Also yoruichi will need a Fake Karakura town version because she fights almost completely different armored.
Holy shit this might actually be INSANE Don't know what people are crying about. It looks like it has way more depth than a Storm game, and ffs, us Bleach fans been starving for YEARS. Support something decent so we might get more. This is the first console game in like a decade ffs
Just wish the ultimates looked better like how sparking zero does it. This game, the character does an ultimate and before you can even see it, huge words are written across the screen
To be honest... I still don't understand the way it works. It's all too confusing. Also too close up. Tho i love the announcer! Additionally, i'm really curious to see long combos. Resets. Set-ups in this game.... at least if it's possible. Doesn't look like it so far... reminds me of the bleach fighting game on the Wii
Oh the health in this game work differently from any other fighting game. You need to break the defense gauge, after successfully break def gauge we got chance to use special attack and its deal lethal damage to your enemy
The game looks spectacular, graphically crazy and I feel it reminds me a bit of Killer Instinct, I don't know if it's the soundtrack, but it looks great.
Yeah and those horrible MHA and OPM games.... goodness man if only every anime game we got looked as good as this, Sparking Zero, Hinokami Chronicles and Storm. Idk what they were thinking with the OPM JJK ans MHA games cause all 3 were just so bad 😂
I loved it so much. The only thing I didn't like were those english inserts in the middle of the fight (strike back, it's on...) they so generic and awful. It would be nice to have a japanese option for it.
Make transformations and ults really cinematic , and make it easier to flow combos, and close distance. Do allat and we really got sum special here. This game looks great, bleach is top tier so each match should be a SPECTACLE 🔥💯💯
The game looks great. The fighting Mechanic seem a bit slow to me like the rush Dash needs to be faster. I also hope there’s better combos for creativity in this game. Still think it’s going to be peak. Hopefully we get a bleach soul resurrection NEXT with these exact graphics
When they do these long showcases I really wish they would just have people that knew how to play the game or let the voice actors play like a week ahead of time so they could like know what to do or something
Game is looking fire, Love the Maps especially, hope they make the ultimate finishers more cinematic though.
Agreed, Yoruichi's in particular feels underwhelming. Ichigo's is okay, Byakuya's is alright, but I feel like they need to make them more epic.
hope we get some QTE stuff like in naruto
Exactly, cause you can't spam ultimate, so they need to be more unique
Ion think that’s her ultimate I think it’s just a finisher nd there’s different versions of finishers I’ve seen regular bankai ichigo do 2 different finishers
Imma gave to disagree. You are Easily ambushed. ONE thing I will give this game is they new fighting play type. N graphics.
Important note: First gameplay was done by players who knows the control and to showcase the gameplay, and then it was just the voice actors + tite kubo having fun. They don't know how to play video games (especially fighting game) so please be lenient toward them!
EDIT: Yh, none of you have a business mind. Someone even saying I lack a moral compass for my comment lmao. Competitive fighting games already struggle from lack of numbers. Most don’t last long. Sure, the showcase uses VAs and “the goat himself” but that isn’t what people will remember. They’ll remember how they felt watching the gameplay. Was it fast? Exciting? Did they have a burning passion to buy it? That’s marketing. Someone said I wanted a “western showcase”. That’s also brain-dead. I wanted good marketing regardless of culture. The game will not last. It’s average at best. People will buy it, then like all the others, player count will significantly drop within a year. You guys always do this. Heavy support for the trailer but you’ll drop off within a year. Mark my words.
Why be lenient? It makes NO SENSE to get such people to showcase the game. Like what kind of brain-dead marketing is this? Who would watch inexperienced people play the game and say “you know what? This BORING gameplay is exactly what I need”.
@@clickbaitpolice9792 cultural difference. Seiyu (voice actors) are really respected and important in Japan. That's why they are invited everywhere like celebrities
@@clickbaitpolice9792 you act like your a expert gamer. they played fine it was enjoyable, none of us haven't even played the game to be critiquing gameplay of players who were just having fun.
@clickbaitpolice9792 actually it does over there.
@@clickbaitpolice9792 different people different cultures. You should've waited for the" western" showcase .
Sparking Zero and Rebirth of souls, this gotta be the first year we didn't get disappointed by any anime game announced😂... Both 10/10 peak
I don't know about being disappointed but this a first year where both connection Naruto, DBZ sparking zero and bleach ros all from the big 3 is beyond amazing
@@LelandMGrayer what do you mean all from big 3? Dragon ball isnt part of the big 3. Its one piece, naruto and bleach.
Keep in mind JJK Cursed Clash also released this year
@@allisterthegreat6521 dbz ranks so high above *your* big three
@@Fullmetaljackal He's actually telling the truth DBZ has never been considered part of the big 3 it's always been OP, Bleach and Naruto that's not to say DBZ isn't good but it's not one of the big 3
Finally the Uncut Gameplay the Rebirth of Souls is absolutely peak cinema. I can't wait to main my boys.
Who are you thinking about playing?
@DariusnessOG if they add fullbringers, I'm definitely maining ginjo
@@lostbankai6521I don’t see why they wouldn’t
@woxkoffone well, tybw isn't going to be in the game for example
@@lostbankai6521 oh
1st fight was fun to watch, after that you can tell they had no clue what to do 😂
Imma be playing like that😊
facts
VA's playing if I remember, they really did not know how to play, but it was cool to see their characters in action
Yoruichi's theme is a genuine banger!
Bro the soundtrack is amazing!!!
I hope they give us a public demo
The battle music my boy is some heat
2:26 THE OST GOESSSS HAAAARD!!🔥🔥🔥
Yoooo dude whats up!?
IKR each evoution having its own OST?!? The OST is boutta be so insane
I 100% love the vibe this game has. From the early 2000s vibe it has from some of the music and the announcer going *nuts* with the little callouts to the gameplay looking weighty and fun to play, this game is gonna be a banger.
Byakuya’s zoning looks OP already lol
As a huge Bleach fan I’m so happy we got an amazing bleach game . I can finally put my ps vita to rest 😂😂 been hitting Heat the Soul 7
You get my respect chief with that HoS 7
Been playing brave souls so can't wait for this
@@windmaster9 this sure is a step-up from that...
@@toreeg1 I ll say
This what I finally needed to see from this game just to see how it’s all put together and flow of it I think we eating bleach culture 🤝🏽🔥 even the music sound like an old school arcade room 😭🔥
It reminds me of an old Killer instinct track: K.I feeling.
Yoruichi's theme is a Bop lol @2:14
Literally the most anime-game OST possible, they capture the fun of fighting, and make it more catchy
It’s like some X23 theme from mvc3
its so good
YEZZIRRRR 😤
Takeharu Ishimoto, everyone😌
Honestly didnt think it would look this good. It looks as stylish as the anime did. The strike back, soul break, and now or never text that appear during certain attacks and counters was a really cool choice. Reminds me of persona games. I'm much more hype for this now
05:00 Rukia vs Byakuya
10:03 Gin vs Ichigo
15:10 Byakuya vs Ichigo
20:38 Yoruichi vs Byakuya
This game is going to be peak
OST slaps! And I love overall style of the game
This is the first arena fighter I’ve seen that looks like it could also be a legit competitive fighting game
Honestly the camera system and the 2.5D movement system looks similar to some competitive fighting game but the problem is the movement is too slow and even the default combo looks like it was copied from a storm game but slower
@@potato-b4cyou think so? That’s interesting. There were moments where I saw a lot of possibilities for whiffing , and the movement looks like it has a lot of room for unique set ups, and even some fake outs. Maybe when we all get to play it the speed will show
Any game can be competitive if the fan base wants it to but it's not gonna be at Evo or anything like that 😅
@@Circa.Bereshith The game is still in development I'll stop assuming since most of these demo game plays are people button mashing
@@potato-b4c The first fight wasn't, the others though... yeah they're not really showing anything.
I was worried before on the gameplay but now I feel its a lot better than I expected. Only things I think that will take getting use to will be that the concept of a super/ultimate move doesn't really exist until you soul break or for soul destruction. So its not a move you can power up for to unleash.
Now the little gripes I have (more like nitpicking):
- The announcer sounds a little weird with the whole "Soooulll Brrreeeaaakk~" and "sooouull dessstruction" - Maybe its the way its said or the voice but its a bit funny to me
- Sometime when the characters fall like with Rukia gameplay; when she is launched from the sky to ground she gets stuck or drifts into the ground for quite some time before standing back up.
- Wish they showed more of the Mask mechanic with Ichigo (but I guess they getting used to playing it so can't blame them)
- I noticed that the players don't have an option to dash towards the opponent ... which I can see being irritating if you constantly far away fighting someone like Gin or Byakuya. IF there was a quick/long dash function towards the opponent like in the storm games; then I think it would balance things out for close vs long range fighters. (Then again I guess you can always use flash step to get to them)
- Still trying to get use to the UI, I find it's a bit too big and take up a decent portion of the top and bottom of the screen ... especially with the additional text like Evolution and what not. I'd want to see the characters, environment and the destruction ... so hope they shrink it a bit or find a way to make it cover less of the screen.
- Lastly, wish there was clothes/battle damage in the upcoming builds; the minor stage destruction is good but battle damage would really add to it and maximize the impact of moves.
Not hating and still super hyped for the game; it definitely surpassed my expectations compared to the very first (edited) gameplay trailer shown. Leaks sort of confirmed its coming in 2025 ... so I think they have time to polish the game more just like the sparking zero team (at least I hope they follow their approach to listening to fans and working on it for various test builds)
What do y'all think? Hyped for the game as well? Shared any of the minor nitpicked points?
@@bankaimaster999 I definitely agree. battle damage should’ve been included, I was also thinking maybe they should’ve put in secret ending a little cinematic scene against opponents they fought or lost too. Like how in dbfz goku vs beerus have a nice one together.
I also see why the rukia gameplay did look off when launched like that
@@KonohasHero You see the ground stuff in the last match with Byakuya and Yoruichi as well. Other than that I agree with you but it could be something they include later after taking some feedback. So far its only been the VAs that played the game and gave feedback; so like I said I hope the studio puts out a demo sooner than later to gather feedback to polish this and for us to get a better understanding of the mechanics as well.
Still its very promising so far and hyped to get a proper bleach game ... they can take their time to improve it because Sparking Zero will hold me over for anime games in the mean time
im a little bummed at the size of the battles they seem too up close, in pair with your dashing points. i expected bigger arenas with fast movement, seems a little too close to tekken for me
Clothes damage is starting to be overrated with how often and frequently people expect it in anime fighters. I prefer prioritizing smoother gameplay over flash aesthetics at this point. I thought people were over the Storm series formula.
i definitely saw dashes during the gameplay
This game can't come out fast enough.
LET US IN!!!!!
With Mark Okita* voices over during the battle, it sounds & feels like a Kamen Rider game 😅
*Mark Okita is the voice for Kamen Rider Decade & Diend's drivers + has voiced in the Climax Heroes games.
If anyone was wondering.
Maximum Impact and Legend Driver Announcer come to mind here.
@@m3tl1kv3e9 i forgot about the Legend Driver 😅
Oh that's why it feel familiar
It's so cliché, it's so OLD SCHOOL, year 2000, the old pop music when yoruichi transforms and the referee's voice which is exactly the same as in KOF MAXIMUM IMPACT. I love it ♥😍😍😍😍
IF only the JJK could of looked like this. Im hype for this one though !!!!
Same here bro And Some People tried to Compare it to this game 😂
90s trance music for yoriuchi is awesome
Honestly. With the extremely hyped voice narrator and Yoruichis theme, i thought i was watching KILLER INSTINCT gameplay. Awesome !
The game is looking good. I hope they add costume damage as HP depletes for release.
Oh just like Senran back in the day.
I hope due to this games success they can continue senran kagura @@m3tl1kv3e9
So much better than that Hunter x Hunter game.
The reveal looked so good just for the gameplay to look like it does it made me sad
That game looks so ass 😂😂
"Looks" better for sure, too bad Hunter X Hunter PLAYS infinitely better than this floaty pos.
The music at the very least is good stuff.
I'm curious whether there is a dash mechanic, because I don't like the idea of multiple characters just being smacked down from half a screen away by Byakuya or Gin with no recourse.
Oh yh there is, yoruichi used it in the last gameplay, you can also just use the flash step for instant close ups.
First fight were players who knew what they were doing. The VA fights are button mashing 😅
I’m almost convinced there will be several different versions of characters with these builds. Ichigo and byakuya will at the very least need a hueco mundo version because byakuya doesn’t even have gokei and ichigo doesn’t have a mask. Also yoruichi will need a Fake Karakura town version because she fights almost completely different armored.
The latest attack from the series I've seen in a trailer is when Aizen and Urahara were fighting near the end of his transformation.
inb4 a $70 dlc
Dude this looks so nasty. I cannot wait for this.
Holy shit this might actually be INSANE
Don't know what people are crying about. It looks like it has way more depth than a Storm game, and ffs, us Bleach fans been starving for YEARS. Support something decent so we might get more. This is the first console game in like a decade ffs
Can’t believe we are finally getting a good bleach game. It’s been a long time coming
Actually look like a fighting game
This might be the best fighting game ost of all time. Still wish the anime music was here
Just wish the ultimates looked better like how sparking zero does it. This game, the character does an ultimate and before you can even see it, huge words are written across the screen
Glad it seems 8d and not another generic arena battler
the game is looking dope
Yea it’s fire just imagine Dangai Ichigo with the Getsuga Form As Awakening
Amazing gameplay. I love the maps too.
Shi low-key looks like a 3d fighter instead of an arena fighter wth i love this so much
This is game is going to be so much fun, I really can't wait. I hope they have a story mode in there as well and a lengthy one at that.
To be honest... I still don't understand the way it works. It's all too confusing. Also too close up. Tho i love the announcer!
Additionally, i'm really curious to see long combos. Resets. Set-ups in this game.... at least if it's possible. Doesn't look like it so far... reminds me of the bleach fighting game on the Wii
Me too
The Game, The Soundtracks, Beautiful ❤
I swear, we need subtitles when they interact with each other.
Do you honestly think they weren't be subtitles?
@@myatshimanga1201 YEAH! THERE IS NO SUBTITLE IN THE BATTLE
@@akusukamultimedia2050 the game is in fucking testing and it's TESTING IN FUCKING JAPAN 💀
@@akusukamultimedia2050bruh use common sense it's just a preview. Every Anime game gives you the option for subtitles smh c'mon now
@@akusukamultimedia2050They speak the language lol, prob turned them off
Oh the health in this game work differently from any other fighting game. You need to break the defense gauge, after successfully break def gauge we got chance to use special attack and its deal lethal damage to your enemy
Bro i want this game omfg the music, the gameplay, the system INCREDIBLE !!!
The game looks unreal!! Only wish they had TYBW characters ffs!!! But that won’t happen till the series ends, game looks mad can’t wait
The game looks spectacular, graphically crazy and I feel it reminds me a bit of Killer Instinct, I don't know if it's the soundtrack, but it looks great.
The game looks are beautiful
Baby now you feel like number one shining light for everyone
Bright*
@@zekiel2533 same shit different words
Finally can be ichigo Fr this time
Music is awesome. But I hope they have some of bleach original OST too
Finally a new bleach game , playing this 100%
Combat needs slight tweaking but looks amazing
Crossing my fingers for Meninas as a playable character!
yoruichiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii game looks amazing
The music pulls you into the fight that's fir sure
Game sounds like an arcade fighting game, looks like.... idk but it looks amazing 👏🏿 😍
Hope we get the tybw characters n fullbring etc
The soundtrack is awesome 🔥
Is that Mark Okita as the announcer? This is awesome!!
Hopefully this becomes a series like Naruto ninja storm!🙏
I'm amazed this actually looks really good!
Looking forward to getting this more than dragonball sparkling
Came for Bleach, stayed for the gameplay and the amazing OST! Wth!
the game looks super fun. But hopefully theres an option that turns off the announcer hearing "STRIKE BACK" over and over is gonna make me explode irl
Why am I hearing decadriver's voice. Lmao this is awesome!
So it looks like xenoverse mixed white dissidia. And I’m here for it.
Love the music in the background😂
I NEEED THIS SOUNTRACK! IT'S AMAZING
Finally gameplay!
The graphics are better than sparring zero
JJK Cursed Clash:Who are you?
Bleach ReBirth of Souls: I'm you but better.
Yeah and those horrible MHA and OPM games.... goodness man if only every anime game we got looked as good as this, Sparking Zero, Hinokami Chronicles and Storm. Idk what they were thinking with the OPM JJK ans MHA games cause all 3 were just so bad 😂
This is beautiful
I loved it so much.
The only thing I didn't like were those english inserts in the middle of the fight (strike back, it's on...) they so generic and awful. It would be nice to have a japanese option for it.
So, each player would hear different theme music as they used their ultimate move (and stayed in that form)?
Yea seems that way
let me guess, they'll release Quincy arc contents like Ichigo, Aizen & Yuhabach fullpower form when the anime show nearly end
Gameplay looks great, hoping for a good singleplayer mode/campaign 🙏
when player 2 is attacking, the camera has to be behind him, and he is on screen in the foreground just like he is in XenoVerse jump force
game announcencer straight up came from Kamen rider Decade
We making it out of the soul society with this one
Game looks dope just can't tell front Watching what's goin on fr but cinematicly looks amazing
Make transformations and ults really cinematic , and make it easier to flow combos, and close distance. Do allat and we really got sum special here. This game looks great, bleach is top tier so each match should be a SPECTACLE 🔥💯💯
Finally a video with japanese voices 😍🗿🗿
Appreciate Japanese dub king
WHATS THE NAME OF THE SONG STARTING AT 2:17 ?!!
Up
4:31 PEAK
Just let me play as kenpatchi NOW
DAMN THIS IS SO GOOD
Tout le monde attend Dragon Ball Z Sparking, pour moi ce sera Bleach !
the sound the guy say so cool like we in kamen ride XD
The game looks great. The fighting Mechanic seem a bit slow to me like the rush Dash needs to be faster. I also hope there’s better combos for creativity in this game. Still think it’s going to be peak. Hopefully we get a bleach soul resurrection NEXT with these exact graphics
Takeharu Ishimoto cooking on the soundtrack as always
When they do these long showcases I really wish they would just have people that knew how to play the game or let the voice actors play like a week ahead of time so they could like know what to do or something
Hud needs a bit smaller size and this is fire 💯💯💯
Hope we get the fullbringer and a little bit of the tybw
i wonder if this game has online gameplay u can play with your friends and playable on the pc?
Finally, a proper 1v1 bleach game
10年出すの遅い！って思ったけど夜一さんの瞬閧状態が原作仕様なの嬉しい。
Es un juegazo dios mio, se nota que escogieron a los expertos en la materia