Who are the Lichhavis ? | Sushant Pradhan Podcast
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
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Dr. Purushottam Lochan Shrestha is a Professor, a Researcher, and one of the most Intellectual person on Bhaktapur's History and Archaeology. He has a Ph.D. in the Era of Tantric Power in Bhaktapur. He has served as a Professor and Head of the Department of History, Anthropology & Sociology at Tribhuvan University. He also has received several awards including the prestigious Mahendra Bhusan Class A. In this podcast, Dr.Purushottam and Sushant talk about Bhaktapur, Ancient Nepali Civilizations, Tantric Power, Human Sacrifice, Arts, Monuments, Ancient Rulers and much more.
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Thanks for bringing Mr. Shrestha. I am surprised to hear Hadas are Lichavis because I am a Hada. Here’s are my comments:
1. We Hadas have always thought we are migrants from Rajasthan during the Malla period 500 years ago. It’s a surprise to hear from someone, we are Lichavis, maybe we are, let’s take a look.
a. We have our Kul Devata at our Aagan Guthi right around Bhaktapur Durbar Square. Nobody knows when the Kul Devata idol “Murti” was made neither from where it originated. I’ve seen the idol statue many times but have never paid attention to it. Now, I want to pay attention. The best way to determine if the Hades are really Lichavis is to examine the Kul Devata idol statue. If the archaeological findings show the idol is around 500 years old or that the art does not resemble Lichavi period then Hadas are not Lichavis; we are from the Malla period or that we are migrants from Rajasthan. If the findings show the art of the idol matches Lichavis period and that it’s 1000 years old then we could be the Lichavis. The problem is our Hada clan does not allow any outsiders to view or even take a glimpse of the idol. If requests can be made by historians to examine the idol, I’m sure something can be done. Historians have examined all idols in Kathmandu, but this is one idol no one has examined. We Hadas have no clue when or where it came from.
b. People from the Lichavi period were mainly hybrid of Buddhism and Hinduism and some totally Buddhist. Migrants during Malla period were totally Hindus: vaidyas, Maskeys, rajbhandarys, etc. Based on my observation of the Hada rituals at our Guthi, the rituals are 100% Hindus. There’s absolute no influence of Buddhism. If Hadas were Lichavis I would say there should have been elements of Some Buddhist influence just like other Newars from Lichavi era. I’m an engineer. Please contact me if I can be of some help in pursuing this research for the guest. I live in the US but I still have affiliation with our Guthi Aagan.
2. Why did Mr. Shrestha have to apologize for stating all migrants to Kathmandu Valley became Newars during ancient period. This is a fact. Kathmandu was a melting pot, just like what US is today. Facts need to be stated without apology. Stating facts is not being “Sampradayik” or communal.
3. Above al this Thakuri narrative is so misconceived that media needs to clarify and educate the public. People think it’s the Khas Thakuri Bhansa that built the Bihars and the wonderful arts and craft during 900 AD till 1200 AD in Kathmandu. This whole lopsided understanding of The translated Khas word Thakuri from the word Thaku from Newari and Thakur needs to be made understood. Historians are using the word Thakuri carelessly which misleads people. Please use the correct word “Thaku”.
yes
I wanna add sthing in ta statements
Souces??
Great discussion sir, thank you.
wow Prasant, your are just brilliant ❤that you invited historians !
Please invite Dr jagaman Gurung and Dr Gautam Bajracharya (living in US, can arrange video talk show)
I am Lichchhawi
Historian Gautam Bajracharya would be great to hear, he’s none other than the nephew of t Dhan Bajra Bajracharya, the father of ancient Nepal Mandal History and also a Madan Puruskar recipient during the Panchayat era.
@@rajeevhada4989 यो बज्रचार्य परिवार बिना नेपाल को इतिहास, शिक्षा, आयुर्बेद, संस्कृति, कला को ज्ञान अधुरो हुनेछ। most respected family
. Ki itihas ko kura garda praman sahit aunu parxa ntra Nepal ko itihas ko punar- anusandhan hunujaruri xa
Is Newar Singh also Lichhavi? Kindly reply please. From lalitpur ❤
No, you are from maheshpal dynasty
so interesting truly......
Interesting
Who respect with pray as to love for ancestors to Liwee Bhadrakali are Lichhwee generation . As running of historical movement they changed to unknown with silence , avoide.
great
Their sur name are “HADA”. Angan and Bhadrakali Devi both situated near . As Doctor Purushotsm has researched doctrine is scarcity.
I get the answer of my curiosity about licccivi
ma ni shakya ho
shakya haru ko pani vanus
shakyas are lichchhwis
Sakya might come from saket dynasty of current banaras
check shakya dynasty in ancient India history
the followers of Buddha call themselves sakya, may be,
later around 300 years after Buddha's death the buddhism turned into religion
Shakya are licchavi from madhes who direct there lineage to Buddha.
There are shakyavanshi still in the terai regions and india
कतै सुर्यबन्शी बैँस राजपुत क्षेत्रीय हरु पो हुन कि लिछक्ष्वी हरु कि ।
Lichavi haru ko history Buddhist dharma ko Tripitaka ma majja le lekhiyeko cha..
Aja Clear ta Chinese traveler Hang tsang ko ‘ India Visit diary ‘ ma majja le lekhiyeko cha.. hang tsang chai Jibit true manis hun ( not Sastra ko patra) Jas le Nalanda university ko address batayeko tiyo..
Baisali hudai Sarnath Jane kram ma bheteko Lichavi ko hun , ke tiye , kun dharma mantyo sab lekhiyeko cha..
Baki ta sab Hindukaran gariyeko Fantus fake story matra ho..
U can check evidence and proof..
Etro herera yo dimag sideko manxe haru ko comment herna!!🤣🤣
Hada Lichhavi hudai hoinan, they are not Lichhavi descendants. Dr. saab is wrong here and he himself said it is just his speculation and theory. Hadas are found in India and they are Agnivanshi Rajputs. Gopalrajvamshawali states there were Hada Chauhans that came during Hari Simha Dev and present Hada-Bijukchhes are their descendants.
Lichhavi descendants are found among Kisi Shresthas of Patan where in Saptami they take out Maneshwari, kuldevi of Lichhavi in a jatra. Many Lichhavi must have been assimilated within Jyapus too but most Chathariya Shresthas don’t claim to be Lichhavi descent. The dynasty after Lichhavi were Vaishya Thakuris whose descendants are Thakul Shresthas. Chathariyas didn’t marry them traditionally believing them as Thakuris but Vaishya and not as Kshatriyas like them.
he state his statements according to archeology finding but u r stating ya statement according to religion books.
Ur eager to debunk dr saab but your statements seems very unlogic and hard to believed in scientific ways.
@@cheltooktribefreethinker1028 I’m not basing it on religious books you fool. It is written is a book called Gopalrajvamshawali and Nepalrastrashastra, it was written during Jayasthiti Malla’s time. It writes that Hada-Chauhan came during Hari Simha Dev’s time along with other clans like Bhandari (Rajbhandari), Achar (Joshi and Karmacharya), Chandel (Maskey, Dhonju), Vaidya, Rathaur (Amatya, Pradhan, Gonga)
@@Ishitmypantsfull did u state ya research according to a!cheogy finding too which match wid ya books.
Look boi, while stating sth it must be realistic and logical. Yu are determining ya serach from books which is like rig ved
@@cheltooktribefreethinker1028 are you stupid? I just said it was written in the book. Gopalrajvamshawali is regarded as a crucial piece of history and evidence in Nepali history. I have relatives who are Bhaktapur’s Hada who themselves say they are descendants of Chauhan Rajputs and not Lichchavis. When they themselves are saying, who are we to decide otherwise for them? Also Dr. Shrestha himself clearly says here it is just his speculation and he doesn’t have enough evidence for his claim. I am basing this on my knowledge and research and not speaking from my ass like you are doing.
@@Ishitmypantsfull look boi, if some ancestors says sth can't take it reference. Historys are made winners so religious books and oral stories can't be proof.
u don't have authentic Proof to deny professer saab.....
Bijukshe belong to licchavi
Lichhavi ko hun thaha paunu agadi nidayechu😂😂
ufff...hana sidai bhanda hudaina?
Kaie tantra daykhauxan ke vayara heryo k k ho
Kati bhumika badheko ho yar
Lichavi
oi babu
sodeko kura vanum nah hoo
Nepal ko history kina Folk tales based cha ??? Tajub lagcha..
ke Nepal history bhitra Thulai ghalmel ra Ghuspait bayeko cha ki ???
Ajkal ko Science lastai develop bhai sakya cha ??? Archological and scientific facts haru majja le use garna sakincha..
Nepal ko history ra India ko history inter conned cha.. Aja Samma pramanit era bhaneko Gautam Buddha hun( Oldest lekhit proof Asok Pillar) .. Buddha kai pala dekhi koji gardai leu na sab Clear huncha..
Kina Waiyat Fantus kura haru layera lyang lyang garne ho ???
Tero Gopal ra mahispal chai 100000%% fake and baseless kura ho. Bakbasss , Nonsense
budo lai podcast ma bolako hoki budo le bolako podcast ma? 🤣
Greetings.
I thought they were Madhesis. THey are Khas????
@@pratikking2272 No they arent 'Khas'..They are also included in the Royal Thakur Shrestha Clans.
@@thegradient2086 All are Thakurs? What about Rajputs? Prajapatis? Napit? Kapali? Kayastha?
How mature of you to distinguish surnames/castes like that .. grow up mate
@@pratikking2272 Only Kayastha among those you mentioned above is a Royal clan..Not Others..