I think the biggest difference between Battlebots and Robot Wars was that Battlebots was more a test of skill and craftsmanship. It was a real competition. Robot Wars was more along the lines of "Okay now let's just watch stuff get broken and lit on fire."
nothing to do with hypnodisc, that was a derivative of other bot designs that had been out years before, but were more powerful. Little known fact about hypnodisc - far from being the 'most powerful spinner', it was actually the WEAKEST spinner out there, all the others were too powerful for the arena to hold, hypnodisc was the only one weak enough to be contained. At the time, there were battlebots lightweights that would hit harder than hypnodisc, despite being a quarter their weight.
Actually, if you are referring to when Nightmare's disc stoped, it wasn't power down (well, it might've been a little later, but that's not why it stopped spinning). After Warhead ripped off one of the teeth, it left the metal, where the tooth was, very sharp and jagged. Therefore, as the disc came back around, it cut through the remaining belt powering the disc. With that belt cut and the other lost after the bots collided, the disc was left powerless and, ultimately, useless.
Actually warhead didn’t rip nightmares tooth off If you look at the damage done to the dome You will see nightmare had the first contact and left a gash in warheads dome In that same hit Nightmare ripped its own tooth off (it did it again in the rumble and sent it through the ceiling) Nightmare had a problem with the new motor (big ass ETEK) which had a ton of torque and a ton of speed, the torque ripped the tooth because the disc wanted to keep going while the tooth was being embedded into the dome
If you look at the design of warhead, it was basically Warhead with the main weapon rotated 90 degrees located lower to the ground and better armored. It's unsurprising that his excellent desgin won. Not to say that nightmare isn't an excellent design as well, but it's a little too vulnerable.
Nightmare's flaw: it's driver was too cocky. That being said, both driver and Nightmare are too be commended for being simple with it's weapon design and being effective despite it's simplicity.
6mm lexan is 'bullet proof'. thats what the Robot Wars UK arena had for the first 3 seasons. It's pretty thin really. By contrast, the lower walls of this arena are two 12mm sheets of lexan together. Heavyweight spinners at battlebots have gone through it (Mechavore in the S4 rumble, if memory of my co-worker is correct - he was about 10cm from the arena when that happened, one of BattleBots' safety officers)
I'm confused, It's obvious what most of the battlebots actually do but I don't understand. Warhead doesn't look like it does anything but bounce around and spin. I'm probably just extremely dense, but please explain! What are it's weapons?
P.S. Would you like to explain to me how a bunch of people who entered with bots didn't get rejected but just got confused and left the studio since RW didn't reject people for stuff such as having too much armor or not enough style?
Outside of RW Typhoon is one hell of a beast, Hypnodisc loves to stop cold whenever it touches anything harder than tinfoil sacrificial lamb armor. Never seen 259 really throw robots or having the power to srimech with its own wheel.
More like Pro vs Pro from another series. Warhead's team had another robot, Razor, which was in the battlebots Pay-Per-View event (and won the heavyweight rumble) as well as being 2-time Robot Wars world champion and the 4th UK champion. Warhead was built specifically for Battlebots season 5, as Razor was ineffective here in the US. As for Warhead's wings, they're a srimech, or self-righting mechanism. If your robot can't drive upside-down, it's best to have a way to flip it back on its wheels.
I would have loved to see Vlad the Impaler (The older one especially.) vs some of their bots back then. Vlad was incredible, ramming people into the sidewalls and just being a sturdy bot with a smart driver who could handle the incredible speed.
@Zmaczimum Nightmare's wheels are what provides its mobility. Without them Nightmare cannot direct its spinning blade and enemies can easily avoid it. Additionally Nightmare would be counted out because it can't move from it's SPOT. In short, if Nightmare were to increase its speed or protects its wheels, it wouldn't be so easily defeated. (have no idea where you got the notion of getting a quick getaway from).
@Zesmus I dont think so. I mean the other has a bigger body which adds to weight but the other one has a very big blade which adds alot to weight. I think they are the same weight classes but not of the same weight.
It's less of a blade and more of a hammer... Or something. I dunno how the physics work, but that spinning head clearly causes some crazy collision damage.
They are very unlucky but build amazing looking an performing robots, i had the pleasure of meeting them and got to drive razor. Amazing machine and it's absolutly massive upclose.
@Icelandicishnese Stupidly they are not allowed to use Razer as it can only be used in BBC competitions, stupid contract is still in effect even though the BBC dropped the show years ago.
@@jrrobotics Personally, I could see it going either way, but I think it would seriously depend on whoever got the first strike. If Nightmare landed the first hit, I don't know if Razer would be able to recover and attack. On the other hand, if Razer managed to get to one of Nightmare's "legs" before Nightmare could strike, I think Nightmare would be in serious trouble.
@@razgrizaceblaze259 Well if razer got to nightmares sides than that would be a huge opening for nightmare to turn around and destroy the sides of razer
@@jrrobotics Potentially. That being said, (generally) after Razer crushes down on their opponent, they generally don't let go for a while. I wouldn't be surprised if Razer could've either snapped one of Nightmare's legs or broken away one of the motor mounts (which would've left Nightmare with severe mobility problems).
@Ammonite78 They do actually ive seen the contract. When they started making toys of uk robot wars, by signing the contract you are licensing your robots likeness over to merton productions. my father and I built a middleweight entry so we have read the contract. I know what it contains.
hey what ever happend 2 backlash is the team who made nightmare the same team who made backlash? backlash was a good bot it had good defence and was rly quick but i liked the first one the best even tho it was a bit bulky
Then why is it that every time a Robot Wars bot entered they failed to make it through. Why hasn't Warhead been in Robot Wars? Also, why were 90% of all the robot wars bots slow as a Smart car tugging a pregnant lorry?
Robot Wars was not a straight competition. Matches were stacked by producers, robots would be rejected for too thick of armor, not stylish enough, etc. Battlebots was a competition, you meet the rules you're in, simple.
by autonomous i mean some design need great pilot skill & will not work as excpected with weak driver; not conviced about weaponery allowed or not (else consumable as fire or bullets) from what i seen (some dozen of design) i think the armored flat with a lifter (that aloow to return itself or ennemy in less than a second ) and the ability to roll when on the bad side is the great but there is a lot of shape and lifter concept to explore all of the saw/blade,bitter,hammer,claw seen dead weight
@MrSqueakyBootz It's Nightmare's blessing and its curse: designed to get one or two knockout blows per-match. If it can't get those then it's got nothing.
False Team coolrobots had dreadnought & Minion both in the SHW class Team Loki had a fuck ton of bots in each weight class (some even fought each other)
Panic Attack, Killerhurtz, Razer, Bigger Brother, Mortis, Suicidal Tendancies, Dantomkia. P.S. I'd like you to name an instance where debris in Robot Wars actually hit the lexan, embedded or went through it.
First off, autonomous combat robots aren't really a thing yet - while there are a few small classes for them, they're not very popular. As far as the best design, assuming by "non-restricted" you mean all weapons allowed by the RFL rules, it would have to be an invertible drum spinner, similar to Touro Maximus from Combots.
heheh the legacy of HypnoDisk lives on in Nightmare hahah dang in all the years of both RobotWars and now Battlebots there has not been a war machine that has had a weapon THIS powerful
@VITIN1201 Nightmare was pretty BA. With that being said, he lost in one of the finals if I'm correct to Son of Wyachi, which I don't know if SoW played Warhead or not, but it'd be really sweet if they did.
Dont forget the driver aspect here. but razer could probably be sent flying several times and survive. now if that claw could get a good grip on warhead it would be over.
Lmao, this was over quick. I saw a montage some guy put together, looks like another guy totaled him. I wasn't sure if this was the same season or not at first (If it was the same it would have meant Nightmare won.).
i think its because 1 they have no schrimech 2 exposed wheels 3very vonruble to horizantal spinners in 1 on 1 macthes this aint 2 bad but robot wars you could have pontentional 6 robots in a arena and even hypno disc stuggles with that
woah are you kidding me the robots wars spinners are hugely destructive such as typhoon, hypno disk,fluffy,259,S3,X-Terminator,pussycat,tornado(well he's apinner isn't he)
I think the biggest difference between Battlebots and Robot Wars was that Battlebots was more a test of skill and craftsmanship. It was a real competition. Robot Wars was more along the lines of "Okay now let's just watch stuff get broken and lit on fire."
Nightmare has one of the most simple designs ever and yet its been able to kick ass for so long
Warhead is what you get when you put Razer and Hypnodisc in a love hotel. ;)
Warhead certainly is an interesting looking bot. Probably why it got on TV while other good bots didn't.
nothing to do with hypnodisc, that was a derivative of other bot designs that had been out years before, but were more powerful.
Little known fact about hypnodisc - far from being the 'most powerful spinner', it was actually the WEAKEST spinner out there, all the others were too powerful for the arena to hold, hypnodisc was the only one weak enough to be contained. At the time, there were battlebots lightweights that would hit harder than hypnodisc, despite being a quarter their weight.
And Warhead became one of the most powerful bots of the first 3 reboot seasons.
The fight starts at 3:49, if anyone's interested.
Actually, if you are referring to when Nightmare's disc stoped, it wasn't power down (well, it might've been a little later, but that's not why it stopped spinning). After Warhead ripped off one of the teeth, it left the metal, where the tooth was, very sharp and jagged. Therefore, as the disc came back around, it cut through the remaining belt powering the disc. With that belt cut and the other lost after the bots collided, the disc was left powerless and, ultimately, useless.
Actually warhead didn’t rip nightmares tooth off
If you look at the damage done to the dome
You will see nightmare had the first contact and left a gash in warheads dome
In that same hit
Nightmare ripped its own tooth off (it did it again in the rumble and sent it through the ceiling)
Nightmare had a problem with the new motor (big ass ETEK) which had a ton of torque and a ton of speed, the torque ripped the tooth because the disc wanted to keep going while the tooth was being embedded into the dome
If you look at the design of warhead, it was basically Warhead with the main weapon rotated 90 degrees located lower to the ground and better armored. It's unsurprising that his excellent desgin won. Not to say that nightmare isn't an excellent design as well, but it's a little too vulnerable.
Actually, Robot Wars started in America in the early 90s, then moved to Britain, while Battlebots started in 1999.
It took 16 YEARS to finally break Warhead's disk
Nightmare's flaw: it's driver was too cocky. That being said, both driver and Nightmare are too be commended for being simple with it's weapon design and being effective despite it's simplicity.
Jim smentowski isn’t cocky
He had a strategy but warhead fooled it by doing 1 thing
Turning
6mm lexan is 'bullet proof'. thats what the Robot Wars UK arena had for the first 3 seasons. It's pretty thin really. By contrast, the lower walls of this arena are two 12mm sheets of lexan together. Heavyweight spinners at battlebots have gone through it (Mechavore in the S4 rumble, if memory of my co-worker is correct - he was about 10cm from the arena when that happened, one of BattleBots' safety officers)
Nightmare also sent a tooth through the ceiling in the S5 rumble
The pounding sound at 4:16 was one of the guys on the Warhead team pounding his fists on the glass in excitement after it scored the knockout.
How did you get this video?
I'm confused, It's obvious what most of the battlebots actually do but I don't understand. Warhead doesn't look like it does anything but bounce around and spin. I'm probably just extremely dense, but please explain! What are it's weapons?
Where the hell did you get that from? I got it from a guy I used to work with who was heavily into robotic competitions and used to be on a team.
From what I can tell Warhead's head is a horizontal spinning blade.
Warhead is EPIC!!! Such a compact and rigid design. The Nightmare is not sturdy enough and it's WAY too vulnerable.
P.S. Would you like to explain to me how a bunch of people who entered with bots didn't get rejected but just got confused and left the studio since RW didn't reject people for stuff such as having too much armor or not enough style?
Nightmare's weakness has always been its wheels - they never protect them.
56 seconds. That's longer than a good number of Nightmare's matches.
THAT's what I'm TALKIN' ABOUT!
"The Box is locked, the Lights are on! It's Robot Fightin' Time!"
aw i wish i had seen that fight. do you think u can get it to youtube?
Nightmare stood NO chance...at all.
Coolness.
I have the same opiinion, and yes backlash and nightmare were both built and driven by Jim Smentowski.
what do u think was better.... battlebots or robot wars?
how would you think razer from robotwars would have fared against it?
i do see the american flags but notice there are uk too so does battlebots go to the uk or based in it or wot i want to see it
Warhead has the right idea using big mass vs the opponents spinning weapons.
Outside of RW Typhoon is one hell of a beast, Hypnodisc loves to stop cold whenever it touches anything harder than tinfoil sacrificial lamb armor. Never seen 259 really throw robots or having the power to srimech with its own wheel.
Wow. I thought nothing could beat Nightmare...Warhead is very impressive. Cool looking too.
isn't he the same guy that had a bot called "razor" and is this show on tv still?
More like Pro vs Pro from another series. Warhead's team had another robot, Razor, which was in the battlebots Pay-Per-View event (and won the heavyweight rumble) as well as being 2-time Robot Wars world champion and the 4th UK champion. Warhead was built specifically for Battlebots season 5, as Razor was ineffective here in the US.
As for Warhead's wings, they're a srimech, or self-righting mechanism. If your robot can't drive upside-down, it's best to have a way to flip it back on its wheels.
I would have loved to see Vlad the Impaler (The older one especially.) vs some of their bots back then. Vlad was incredible, ramming people into the sidewalls and just being a sturdy bot with a smart driver who could handle the incredible speed.
Vlad was the first champion...vlad was the first champion...
@Zmaczimum Nightmare's wheels are what provides its mobility. Without them Nightmare cannot direct its spinning blade and enemies can easily avoid it. Additionally Nightmare would be counted out because it can't move from it's SPOT. In short, if Nightmare were to increase its speed or protects its wheels, it wouldn't be so easily defeated. (have no idea where you got the notion of getting a quick getaway from).
@Zesmus I dont think so. I mean the other has a bigger body which adds to weight but the other one has a very big blade which adds alot to weight. I think they are the same weight classes but not of the same weight.
Does anyone have all the seasons?
or at least one whole season?
cool and it armed to the teeth but is their any purpose for them 2 arms
Is that fight in UA-cam? That was amazing, my favorite
What happened to the program with the flames coming out of the ground and the "super hard" boss bots?
what is warhead's weapon??
It's less of a blade and more of a hammer... Or something. I dunno how the physics work, but that spinning head clearly causes some crazy collision damage.
whats the other guy with the saw
im looking for the best design not in restricted arena Nor best remote pilot competition (maybe with standard Ai's)
What ever happened to Battlebots???? it just stoped?
dammm that awsome the fact that warhead can lift its hands/claws that awsome
whoa, when i first saw this fight, i thought that warhead got away without a scratch. what a dent in that dome!
They are very unlucky but build amazing looking an performing robots, i had the pleasure of meeting them and got to drive razor. Amazing machine and it's absolutly massive upclose.
@animefin i dont think wheels are meant to protect you except when getting a quick getaway
@Icelandicishnese
Stupidly they are not allowed to use Razer as it can only be used in BBC competitions, stupid contract is still in effect even though the BBC dropped the show years ago.
then why'd you guys decide to make
Who do you think would win a fight between Nightmare and Razer?
Nightmare would destroy Razer in about 30 seconds
@@jrrobotics Personally, I could see it going either way, but I think it would seriously depend on whoever got the first strike.
If Nightmare landed the first hit, I don't know if Razer would be able to recover and attack. On the other hand, if Razer managed to get to one of Nightmare's "legs" before Nightmare could strike, I think Nightmare would be in serious trouble.
@@razgrizaceblaze259 Well if razer got to nightmares sides than that would be a huge opening for nightmare to turn around and destroy the sides of razer
@@jrrobotics Potentially. That being said, (generally) after Razer crushes down on their opponent, they generally don't let go for a while. I wouldn't be surprised if Razer could've either snapped one of Nightmare's legs or broken away one of the motor mounts (which would've left Nightmare with severe mobility problems).
what is warheads weapons how does it fight
Spinning disk with blades on the end
@Ammonite78 They do actually ive seen the contract. When they started making toys of uk robot wars, by signing the contract you are licensing your robots likeness over to merton productions. my father and I built a middleweight entry so we have read the contract. I know what it contains.
inb4 someone decides to build a combat-ready version of King Robota. Though I'd have to say they'd still have a hard time doing even that.
THANK YOU!!!
hey what ever happend 2 backlash is the team who made nightmare the same team who made backlash? backlash was a good bot it had good defence and was rly quick but i liked the first one the best even tho it was a bit bulky
Backlash & Nightmare are the same team
@@Leatherface123. Oh wow, this is an extremely old comment that I completely forgot about. Thanks for the clarification.
@24infernoX warhead is part of the razer family, the team did a real good job on both bots.
Then why is it that every time a Robot Wars bot entered they failed to make it through. Why hasn't Warhead been in Robot Wars? Also, why were 90% of all the robot wars bots slow as a Smart car tugging a pregnant lorry?
you think the razer team are like one of the best robot building teams because they build razer and warhead, two awesome machines
Robot Wars was not a straight competition. Matches were stacked by producers, robots would be rejected for too thick of armor, not stylish enough, etc. Battlebots was a competition, you meet the rules you're in, simple.
by autonomous i mean some design need great pilot skill & will not work as excpected with weak driver;
not conviced about weaponery allowed or not (else consumable as fire or bullets)
from what i seen (some dozen of design) i think the armored flat with a lifter (that aloow to return itself or ennemy in less than a second ) and the ability to roll when on the bad side is the great but there is a lot of shape and lifter concept to explore
all of the saw/blade,bitter,hammer,claw seen dead weight
@MrSqueakyBootz It's Nightmare's blessing and its curse: designed to get one or two knockout blows per-match. If it can't get those then it's got nothing.
i miss this show sooo muchhh
@leeofbacup nah tough i admit its confusing with the pound kilo thing 220 pounds is 99.7 kilos so they are the same catagory
I didn't think it was possible, but those geniuses may have made a robot better than Razer!
4:56! Wait a minute, the old guy with a tag is John Reid, Team Hurtz, the guy with killer and terrorhurtz!
who won i couldn't tell
they cant because razer is also a heavyweight and the BB rules alowed only 1 robot per weight class for each team.
False
Team coolrobots had dreadnought & Minion both in the SHW class
Team Loki had a fuck ton of bots in each weight class (some even fought each other)
is this a american or britsh show
y dont they just use razer?
i think its a good idea for house robots it give the robotiers more chances to destroy each other and also to finish of after a fight
im pretty sure its coming back on ESPN2 in april 2009
If I had designed Nightmare, I would've at least put some armor on the sides along with some spikes or something to help protect it.
Panic Attack, Killerhurtz, Razer, Bigger Brother, Mortis, Suicidal Tendancies, Dantomkia. P.S. I'd like you to name an instance where debris in Robot Wars actually hit the lexan, embedded or went through it.
In the first sentence, I meant to say 'stopped' and 'powered down'.
@24infernoX i think warhead came before razor, but both were pretty beastly.
That is friggin' awesome.
did you see mauler vs slamjob?
sry for the double post but it was actualy the 3rd version of backlash that i liked not the first
We didn't make him. I'm friends with the current owner, who bought it from the original builder: Gage Cauchois.
That disc at the front moves incredibly fast, I can't give you a statistic but take alook at around 6:00 at the dent in Nightmare's blade
Nightmares weapon spins far faster
First off, autonomous combat robots aren't really a thing yet - while there are a few small classes for them, they're not very popular.
As far as the best design, assuming by "non-restricted" you mean all weapons allowed by the RFL rules, it would have to be an invertible drum spinner, similar to Touro Maximus from Combots.
@Zmaczimum - nope, Razer was built a good 4 years before Warhead.
heheh the legacy of HypnoDisk lives on in Nightmare hahah dang in all the years of both RobotWars and now Battlebots there has not been a war machine that has had a weapon THIS powerful
Nightmare is older than hypnodisc IIRC
@VITIN1201 Nightmare was pretty BA. With that being said, he lost in one of the finals if I'm correct to Son of Wyachi, which I don't know if SoW played Warhead or not, but it'd be really sweet if they did.
this remember me bayblade
Self-righting and balance, of course there's the intimidation part, too.
i seem to recall it beating stealth,bigger brother(well not beat but still lots of damage)atomic,raizerblade,splinter who are not made of tinfoil
Dont forget the driver aspect here. but razer could probably be sent flying several times and survive. now if that claw could get a good grip on warhead it would be over.
Correct, except SoW used two of them to spin one weapon.
i think warhead has state-of-the-art armor
there's barely a scratch on him
warhead and razer both looked badass:))
Why not enter Warhead in Robot Wars and pwn everyone?
see that big thing on its head? That spins really fast. That is a weapon. How do you think nightmare got destroyed??
Lmao, this was over quick.
I saw a montage some guy put together, looks like another guy totaled him. I wasn't sure if this was the same season or not at first (If it was the same it would have meant Nightmare won.).
Well, if you want to enter without any driving experience, then be my guest. Don't expect to win against any of the big names, though.
i think its because
1 they have no schrimech
2 exposed wheels
3very vonruble to horizantal spinners
in 1 on 1 macthes this aint 2 bad but robot wars you could have pontentional 6 robots in a arena and even hypno disc stuggles with that
i miss this show.
Well guess what its back since 2015 with 7 seasons and a miniseries
I know that there made by the same person however I believe that razer vs warhead would be a unbelievable fight !!!
woah are you kidding me the robots wars spinners are hugely destructive such as typhoon, hypno disk,fluffy,259,S3,X-Terminator,pussycat,tornado(well he's apinner isn't he)
I wathched these guys with Razer in 2003.
OMFG they put it on steroids!