If you look at the team radios, Bottas asked to come in for Inters on the formation lap. So Alfa Romeo did the logical thing and never pitted him for Inters
How is it awful from the drivers when the teams don't give them anything to work with? Bottas had one of the best lap 1 making up 6 positions, he could have had a very solid result with the right strategy
I can just imagine the look of horror on Matt's face when he walks up to the check-in desk and says: "I have a flight back to the UK." Desk: "...we are checking."
Yuki was running fourth and keeping Lando and Lewis behind him for 10+ laps with and without DRS. But instead of pitting him for track position they went with the 'hope and pray' method waiting for rain and it cost Yuki his race. They had the data showing he could keep guys like Lando and Lewis behind him on comparable tyres and should have pitted him. Just wasted their entire race.
Tsunoda is constantly having quietly impressive performances and I wish more people would actually talk about them. Sadly I think while he's stuck in that AlphaTauri he'll never get the praise he deserves
Also, it was Yuki who demanded that he boxed lap 1. He actually said “Intermediate intermediate, box box- not Alpha Tauri. So the one good strategy call was madd by Yuki not AT
In Valteri's defense... AR screwed him on the strategy. He was the first to call for inters, and AR flatly told him no. I can imagine he would have had a substantially better result if they'd listened to him.
ratings seem biased at this stage. Logan crashed in quali ánd the race and gets a 7/10 while Bottas gets shafted by strategy and gets a 4. Stroll was begging for inters for ages and was finally allowed to pit at the end of lap 4 putting him last even behind Russell, pretty much a lap behind the leaders, but that's obviously his fault. Lewis with that car and his talent should've been on the podium yet is awarded with an 8/10 and 9/10 for finishing 6th. George outdrove him over the weekend and was very unlucky to DNF after a tiny touch but gets a 7/10.
I'm so happy to see Albon at Williams. Him and James are leading the team in a bold new direction. He's on a mission and you can see just how much at home he feels. The future looks promising for Williams.
James' reaction to Logan's crash in qually was a polar opposite to some others (Gunther...). He said that Logan knew what mistake he made - he was 10cm off the racing line and anyone could do the same. I'm paraphrasing, but he was speaking so gently and with understanding. He's an awesome team boss, especially for a rookie. If Logan hasn't improved by the end of the year, I wouldn't be surprised if he loses his seat - James is kind but no mug - but if he shows improvement he'll probably stay. If he does, he'll blossom.
This has been the most generous driver rating by quite a distance. The average rating of all the drivers for this race was a 7.05, going over the 6.675 average in Spa by quite a distance, and way above the overall average of ~6.3. Also, with a 9 from both Liam Lawson enters the standings in 2nd place, only behind Max' absolutely insane 9.65.
I don’t think it’s unjustified though- I wouldn’t have been surprised it way more drivers had DNFd than actually did, and there were quite a few very good drives and results in there
I am so happy you guys both recognized how well Yuki drove, I've seen so many people bash him over the result but like you said he was let down by the team's strategy so badly. We've rightfully praised Alex for his 44 lap stint on the softs, Yuki did 50, which is insane. Longest stint in the entire race on softs. Now I kind of understand why AT took this risk, if a SC or heavy rain came earlier they would have looked amazing, but after a while it looks like they fell prey to the sunk cost fallacy. So yeah great job by Yuki, he can be proud even if the result didn't show how well he drove. Love all the content you guys made, and agree with most of the ratings here. This channel has skyrocketed to my favourite F1 related channel by quite a margin.
Just looking at the lap times and gaps, had Yuki pitted in lap 41-43 he would've likely finished 7th-9th, assuming everything else went as expected and he hadn't gotten that penalty. Alpha lost 2-6 points in the hopes of maybe, just maybe, getting 8-12 points. I don't think it was worth it.
If Yuki pitted, Lewis and Lando would have over cut him easily. Lando and Lewis first lap after pitting was over 1 second faster than Yukis fastest lap. He did great defending, but staying out and hoping for a safety car was the best decision. He was consistently doing 1:16s for that full stint, yet later in the race, on new softs and lower fuel he was still doing 1:16, so pitting early wouldnt have gained him anymore pace. Lando, Lewis, ocon, Albon was doing 1:14s for reference.
@@oxonomy2372 The thing is: He literally never drove on those new softs in the race. He did a single stint of 50 laps on the softs straight into the inters for the end, more laps on that tire than anyone else did on any kind of tire. So comparing those lap times doesn't really give us any info as he just hasn't driven those lower fuel runs on softs. So all it really shows is how much time he was losing per lap by not pitting. I still agree he would've lost at least some positions for pitting of course, almost certainly to Lando and Lewis, but he definitely could've fought for points.
I'd put at least part of the blame here on the team. They left him out on the same set of soft tires for 50 laps (more than anyone else on any kind of tire) and basically told him to make it work. Forcing him into some pretty desperate and disadvantageous defending with no grip. This just increases the chances of some contact being made somewhere along the way. So regardless of whether the FIA should've given him a break or not, the team could've avoided putting him in that situation in the first place.
Liam did race well, I'm not saying he didn't. But I feel like a 9/10 is a bit too high. Yes he's a rookie, yes he only got one practice session, but still, qualifying a second after p19 while being "a future world champion" and "the most promising rookie" is not really the best. I'd give him a solid 7/10, race was alright.
Yes, I feel there's some hype around him tbh. He had the merit of staying out of trouble but that P13 is inflated by virtue of Yuki's penalty and George's contact with Lando. 7/10 from me as well.
Well when you consider the dreadful conditions and that he had no prior time in the car, I think a 9 is well deserved, 8 at the very least. You couldn't really expect better qualifying all things considered especially when Alpha Tauri is one of the worst cars on the grid and in the race he did really well.
They didn’t give him a 9/10 because they’re trying to hype him up. They did it to emphasize how hard it can be to come in with so much pressure from media and fans and everything but still be able to perform.
You just gave all the reasons he should be 9/10 ironic. You saw Perez and other drivers going off the track right? Hope you don't think every rookie is like Max.
LH also went through the gravel so 9/10 is fair and on classifications on paper if he got those 10 secs back (from the team double stacking both cars and Yuki slow pitstop) he would be in the points. @@MrBashem
7/10 for Logan?? - Just barely getting out of Q1 at P15 - Made it to Q3, props for that! - Immediately crashed in Q3 - Lost 7 places in half a lap at the start (from 10 to 17) - Crashed That. Is not a 7/10 for me. Crashed the car twice and was P17 after half a lap, undoing the P10 from quali immediately anyways. And seeing where Albon put the car, he probably should be getting into Q3 anyways
100% he was almost 7 tenths of of Albon in q2. The Williams was just really fast in zandvoort. Honestly don’t know why people treat Sargeant like that and not like most other drivers
If they wanted to swap Logan's 7/10 for Guanyu's 4/10 I'd agree, he was actually racing pretty well in a car that weirdly no one really talks about, but I think is the actual "worst car on the grid"; and everyone was saying that the crash was out of his control there so really a bit of misfortune - he was better than Bottas the whole weekend
I feel like being Fernando's teammate has finally killed Stroll, he held up pretty well(ish) against Seb but this year has been so bad. Don't see him being on the grid after 24.
Time for Stoffel to make a comeback. The most deserving of all former drivers imho. He should at the very least get a chance for redemption and he is definitely solid when he gets in a car that actually works
I'm just mad we missed the chance to see Piastri overtake Norris when he closed him down on the mediums when Norris was on the softs. Impressive pace there, he caught him fair and square and would have passed him. For most of the race he had better pace than Norris. He got into DRS range right before the rain came.
Piastri didn't have a good Q3 but people need to remember that he hadn't raced on that track other than a few laps back 4 years ago. He hadn't done many laps on dry conditions as he went off the track in Practice session 2. The breaking zones were different for Q3 and unfortunately he didn't put a good lap in. I think this year has been a nearly year for Oscar. Partly due to not racing on a lot of these tracks previously and the poor strategy he has had from McLaren combined with Norris being prioritised at every opportunity. He has also had quite a lot of bad luck with safety cars and other drivers damaging his car. Next year I think he will finish top 3 if he has a good car.
I feel like everyone keeps forgetting Oscar was unlucky due to the safety car coming out just as he left the puts after recovering from not pitting at the start. He was back up to 6th when it happened
Matt and Tommy have appeared to completely forget that Piastri is a rookie and therefore you would expect him to be obedient with the poor Strategy call. Piastri did very well in the actual race to finish P9. If Lando gets an 8, Piastri deservs a 7 at the very least.
Just remember Alonso set up that dive bomb into T3 2 years ago at the first race back at Zandvoort when he was the first driver to take the wide line that everyone copied. The ultimate long game, Nando is the 🐐.
From my point of view the 4 for Zhou is a bit unfair, especially when you compare it with the 6 for Logan Sargeant. The Williams is clearly the better car in comparison to the Alfa, Logan crashed in Qualy and the Race, the conditions under which Zhou had his crash where nearly undriveable and a lot of drivers went of the track in turn 1.
@@enotdetcelfer to be honest Monza is one of the simplest tracks on the calendar so it would be surprising if he performed comparatively worse at monza than zandvoort
@@Brossano22I would, I mean he had no practice, he's a rookie, had the worst car on the grid, and didn't only have a wet race but had changeable conditions with a red flag where zhou who's been driving for much longer binned it and he didn't. Can't really get harder than that and he still overprefomed
Completely disagree, it's almost an absurd comparison. There could hardly have been a bigger difference in the situations between Lawson's and deVries debuts. Nick had full set of practice sessions, dry conditions throughout, on arguably the simplest or 2nd simplest track on the calendar. Liam had exactly none of those things. Less than 24hrs notice, ZERO running time on slicks before the race, qually in the wet-to-dry and on a much more challenging circuit that has much less room for error, and less room period, and a race in the most changeable race conditions in memory. So much more difficult that it was almost a different era and sport! I'm not a deVries hater, just spitting facts. I am a believer in Lawson, he clearly showed his mettle and earned it.
Don't really understand how you rate Piastri below Sargeant when he qualified closer to his teammate, finished closer to his teammate in the race and had less crashes🤔
Totally agree. Matt and Tommy have appeared to completely forget that Piastri is a rookie and therefore you would expect him to be obedient with the poor Strategy call. Piastri did very well in the actual race to finish P9. If Lando gets an 8, Piastri is at least a 7.
McLaren is arguably the 2nd best car on the grid right now. Williams is clearly not even in the front pack vying for 2nd-6th best car even if Zandvoort proved a good track for them. Also, pretty unfair to blame Logan for the crash in the race--no driver on the grid could've done any better going through a 120 MPH corner and having their steering completely die on them. Even if you took only Albon's points and multiplied by 2 to offset Logan, Williams would still have less than half the points of 6th place. Williams may not be the p20 merchants of years past, but it's not good and is a good showing by both drivers to have made Q3 period.
I was thinking “because Piastri isn’t a rookie” and well that just says it all really doesn’t it? Piastri has been really strong lately and even in tough conditions he’s a safe pair of hands. I look forward to seeing him progress.
Again, so happy for you boys and all your success. Hopefully Tommy's daughter can be under the podium in a few years when max wins his 10th WDC in a row. (Sorry Matt)
Seeing the pace interval graphic between Max and Checo was like watching a countdown timer, what insanity. I’ve learned to just accept the brilliance of max and I’m actually excited to see him and Redbull take it all. But for the love of God I don’t want to watch this happen again next year.
I don't want this for next year either... Except I kinda do. The F1 fan in me want greater variations in winners for the next two years, but the Honda fan in me screams even louder that we need all the wins if Honda is to overtake Renault for P4 in the rankings of the most successful F1 engine manufacturers.
Checo has been in a awful run of form and that's a fact, but one thing is already clear for everyone to see, Max is in a different level compared to the rest of the field, and Red Bull is clearly making the gap between Max and Checo even bigger with their development focus, because Checo's form would not have ceased to exist out of nowhere, but for Red Bull, what Checo is doing is probably enough (even if they make it sound like it isn't), because with the podiums he gets once a while it's still enough for him to get second in the drivers championship, Red Bull clearly only cares about breaking all records possible with Max, but even so Checo's form should not been this bad
@@diegoemanuel8641 the real villain in this race is FIA for having a one size fits all penalty for pit lane speed violations. Checo was less than 1 km/h over because he hydroplaned coming in and couldn't brake as much as needed to make speed. for this tiny violation he gets 5 seconds and drops a position. it's the only reason gasly made podium.
I think Lance was a bit harsh because he was screwed worse than likes of Yuki in terms of strategy. Pitted 2 laps late at the start and also an extra pit stop for some reason because they got stuck behind Russell in a DRS train.
Aston Martin's modus operandi this year seems to be splitting strategies. Alonso justly gets first call and then they usually go different with Stroll, often to his detriment.
True but the strategy had bigger consequences for Yuki. He was running net P8 for well over half the race and keeping Norris and Hamilton behind quite easily
@@stampede5x5 Brad was dull but he was on point with strategies on races like this, that´s why stroll almost always delivered on these types of weekends but since ben took over not so much. He has been getting unlucky with strategies this year to say the least
Bottas is being unfairly judged in these episodes this year. Its like their rating is directly related to car performance rather than driver performance. I don't think max or alonso should have so many 10s after all what rank do you give them on a weekend where they dominate by a full minute despite other things.
But I mean, look at Bottas now, he has this "I don't care" attitude, which make people not like him anymore, and gives the sensation that he isn't trying (I don't believe he doesn't try but you know)
@@FuturaEstrella-rr3wqHuh. A finn has an attitude that feels very "I dont really care"-ish after moving from a title-challenging team to a backmarker and having very lackluster performances. Sounds familiar, no?
Crazy Dutch 🇳🇱 GP track where everybody says it's nearly impossible to overtake with modern day F1 cars has just set an all-time overtake record with 186 overtakes in the race ... 🤯
I love how Williams is slowly becoming a consistent points scoring team, they have still some way to go but it's like they get better every race. Now a lot of that is down to Alex performing incredibly well, but also behind the scenes they've found their mojo again. And i'll be the first to admit that i was very worried when Dorilton Capital took over, usually investment companies like to invest as little as possible, and sell for the highest price as soon as possible, but they have invested greatly into this team, kept the brand name alive, and are now making strides on track as well, color me impressed. Ofc they will sell the team at some point, but it will not be a bottom scraper team when they sell it, if they can keep this development going at Williams, i can see them become a very solid top 5 team, maybe top 4, in seasons to come, and i would be all here for it, Williams was always a special team in F1.
I don't know how would I rate Perez, it feeled like he tried to complete some F1 bingo or something... - awesome tyre change call - P1 with great gap - saving tyres (while Max is pushing like madman) and loose the gap embarrassingly - is undercuted - has slow pitstop - smacks it into the wall (but saves it) - get stuck behind the red light (but get the position back on lap rollback) - his car is repaired during red flag period - speeds in pitlane and gets penalty
team told him more rain was coming in 10 minutes. it was clear he was going to need wets. to avoid an extra stop he had to preserve the inters until rain started. he wasn't going full bore when max roared up on him. the speed limit violation was only 0.8 km/hr and that because he was hydroplaning and could not brake well. . The FIA rule is vile and needs to be softened based on entry speed over 60 km/h. Five seconds for that small violation is outrageous. It's the only reason Gasly finished on podium. to rate alonso and gasly 10 and checo 6 is just more checo hating. he drove an 8 or 9. remember he started 7th and finished 4th (really should have been 3rd or even 2nd). in fact, when he came out of first pit he was p14.
race engineer for lance was really face buried in computer radar (like so many race engineers in this). asides from lance screaming like an unhinged goblin, pitting for inters on lap 1 or formation lap would have been the right call for lance's drive. alonso, he's experienced as hell and can totally handle being on slicks for a while in light rain. stroll? he's not nearly as experienced to match that kind of feat. so many bad strategy calls
Strategically this was the worst race in the season. The only team that didn't fuck it up was Red Bull. Everyone else felt like they had absolutely no idea what they were doing.
Really want you guys to start rating the teams as well soon (next season). I would love for the ratings to include the pit wall, garage work, and overall weekend team contribution. There would be so many attributes to cover that actually make sense to rate the rest of the team by. Please rate the team as well as drivers next!! Love you guys!
Did you guys leave the hospitality area and watch the race. Harsh on Piastri and illogically kind to others. Rookie. Little track experience. Screwed by strategy being left out on slicks in treacherous conditions ( like Albon). Was over a minute behind at the start of the race. Brave overtakes in changing conditions on the slicks. Double stacked behind Lando at the second deluge. Still scored points
I was fuming that I AT didn't pit Tsunoda.. like it's almost Ferrari level strategy blunder. He was fighting for position and WINNING against Hamilton and Lando and only if they had pitted, he could have been in 6-8 position.
it was incredibly frustrating to watch for sure. He did 50 laps on those softs, Albon did 44 (already insane and an outlier), George 44 but on hards and everyone else 30 something laps at most on any kind of tire. They made him do the longest stint out of anyone on any kind of tire... on softs. It is utterly ridiculous. Yuki is secretly driving an incredible season but with almost nothing to show for it in terms of results through very little fault of his own.
Harsh valuation of Lance. He called for a pit stop in the wet and the Team didn't listen to him. I think you need to better check what happened with all the drivers.
AM being atrocious at strategy is getting covered up a lot by Alonso being able to run his own strategy department (which is an exceptional ability and shouldn’t be expected of Lance [or the Ferrari boys, for that matter]).
When it comes to Lance it doesn’t matter what he does anymore because we’ve all decided he sucks & can do nothing right. He could find a cure for cancer & we’d be mad he didn’t cure the common cold first.
Weirdly enough despite finishing 6, I think this was one of Lewis’s good races this season. Dude was absolutely flying at the end the amount of overtakes he did was impressive. As usual Mercedes is turning into the new Ferrari with that late pit call and slow pit stop
A bit rough of a score for Piastri, he had the same terrible strategy call as Albon, but made some good moves when he could. Not much more he could've done.
Sargeant at a 6 and a 7 is mad. How are we supposed to objectively measure driver performance when younger/lower expectation drivers are given boosts? If Magnussen or Bottas had that weekend they would have been given 2s or 3s.
Ye like he crashed out of q3 and probably broke the car enough to damage other parts that failed in the race. Then you compare him to albon where albon himself said there was more in it and they chosed the wrong strategy so albon should have a 8 and sargent max a 4 not close to albon and besides being in q3 nothing special in race besides dropping like a stone
Bottas overtook like 7 cars in lap 1 and got denied by his team when he wanted to pit. 8/10 for me. He would easely finish top 10 if they listend to him.
I was watching a watch along with trackmap and timing. Poor Yuki was really struggling. How or why they didn't bring him in is beyond me. Alex Albon on 45 lap old tyres was awesome. Great stint there.
How has George with P17 more than Piastri? This makes no sense - yes George got freaked by Mercs strategy - but he didn’t manage to climb back in any shape or form like his teammate did…
Stroll got his race screwed again by his team specially by his engineer who was literally ignoring his advice to pit for inters and then pit for inters when it was already good for softs, but of course they don´t even know or care to mention that. Do more research and don´t be so bias.
They want Stroll gone from F1, so they will never show the full story. Stroll could luck his way into a podium like same as Gasly and they would give him a 6/10 since it's luck.
@@epic908Brad was kind of dull but in these types of races they would always get stroll strategy right, while with ben not so much. In regards to matt and tommy i like their content but damn they are extremely biased sometimes and i think they geniunely don´t like stroll at all because if that happened to alonso they would be crying the whole video.
For the next year you could break the points for every diver. For example: Checko Qualifying- 6 Race - 8 Decisions during race - 10(for the first lap pit) Overall - (6+8+10) /3 = 8 Zhou Qualifying - 3 Race - 5 Decisions during race - 10(for the first lap pit) Overall - (3+5+10) /3 = 6 This way you will be able to award more accurately every single driver. You can put even more metrics. And last but not least, the segment will be longer = more $$$$
Hey guys, Suggestion here: maybe add a grade for the race itself (and maybe another for qualy?) as well to these. Then at the end of the season we can see which race was best.
A lot of the Lance Stroll hate is genuinely misplaced, he got shafted by the team and got stuck in a drs train. There’s a clear bias for Lando no matter what he does and I find it odd.
Exactly! If Lando is as good as people say he is, he should be miles clear of his teammate, who is a rookie of all things. People say “it’s the car” for so many drivers like Max or Lewis even when they are miles ahead of their teammates. McLaren made an excellent car and now, suddenly, it’s all Lando.
I've given Matt very much heat because of his preseason prediction on De Vries. He did well last season to get a point in the Williams car. However, in what would have been his car Liam Lawson did something incredible on an unforgiving circuit as Zandvoort, with one practice and only Quali 1 to get some experience and then drive to 13. It proved me wrong and Matt right. My apologies Matt. As impressive as De Vries' performance in the Williams last year was, Lawson proved your point in De Vries' former car.
I was more pessimistic about Nyck from the get go despite that Monza showing. I just figured that most teams have a really good feeling about drivers, and there was a reason for why nobody had picked him up until that one great drive. I really wanted that feeling to have been wrong, so it sucks, but he just isn't F1 material. :/
First time I don't agree. Sargaent crashes out in qualy AND the race, and still receives a 6/7. Zhou crashes in the race, because of the horrible conditions and recieves a 4?? For me this doesn't add up
Max had his win-streak, including -miami, starting p9 with the teammate on pole -monaco with an all time last sector and very challenging rain conditions -canada with another unbelievable qualifying in mixed conditions -Spa, although may be his best track, still a grid penalty and mixed conditions in quali -zandvoort, most chaotic race -Austria and great britain, also weekends with mixed conditions If there is only one tiny mistake and he gets second, the streak is gone. That he put together that streak on so many chaotic races is actually unbelievable.
Hardest race to rate as so many got screwed by strategy even when they called to pit but their team refused. But looking at pure pace, some were really quick when they were given the right tire.
Can't lie these are the worst grades you've given all season imo. Seems like you didn't look into it much for most of the drivers. Still love the content and watch all of your videos
@@Idontknow-pp9hona most make no sense it wasnt a amazing race by albon it was a solid race really, how lewis was better then Norris i dont get, piastri WORST then logan even tho both are rookies is a joke, Zhou a 4/10? For aquaplaning? Like what we saw literally Lewis struggle under VSC to keep the car on track on turn 1 how is the crash his fault really. Its obviously still a tyre problem because they need to stay on inters or else they lose out on to much pace. Bottas and his call didn't get mentioned.....
The race crash was a mechanical problem. Now i would have given him a 6 but since he is a rookie i think a 7 is more fair. Especially since albon is SO incredible!
Lol I was just thinking before they said it (as I usually do) "Yeah probably a 3/10... nah what am I saying that's a 4/10" and then I hear Matt with a 7
I swear Matt hates Zhou or something. When Zhou is doing well, Tommy would acknolwedge it and show excitement and enthusiastism. On the other hand, Matt barely acknowledges Zhou when he does a good job and often just gave backhanded comments. But when Zhou makes a mistake. Matt is the first one to jump on him and is extra hrash on him, while always being lenient and make excueses for other drivers he like. I am tired of the bias.
Okey, I know I am a Lando fanboy. But how is Hamilton getting 9/10 and Lando 8/10. They finished the race at the same time nearly perfectly, and Hamilton didnt do well in the qually, while Lando put it P2. Am I crazy to think that?
I was thinking the same thing! In my opinion, Lando and Alex had a very similar weekend: great quali, very bad strategy and good recovery drive. So don't completely understand how Alex got a 9 and Lando almost a 7
One started p13 and got to p6 where did Lando start and where did he finish? Not that difficult to work that out. People like you should watch the race instead of relying on Highlights or others telling you what happened. Make your own conclusions. Lewis had a better recovery drive than Lando.
@DarwiishIoI ye but he should not qualify that bad lol George was in the top 3-4 easily, so whats your point? Is it a 9/10 for checo if he qualified p8 and came back to p4? No because he should have performed better in quali
@@ehrlichgesagt863 what's your point?! One bad qualifying and you come running for Lewis's head clutching pitchfork, and don't bring up Checko who's in the fastest car of the season telling me he qualified p8 then in the race at some point 14 seconds ahead of Max and squanders it. Try again fella cause you ain't winning any argument with softballs like that.
Max can break the record for most consecutive podiums (2nd and 3rd places count) at the GP of Mexico. A record that stands for 21 years (Schumacher, 19 during USA GP 2001 until Japan GP 2002
I love that sargeant gets a free pass for being balls because he’s a rookie but pastrami gets the disappointment face even though he’s just as much a rookie.
Im okay that you guys do a rating video for each race. But if you do it, actually do some research or rewatch the race. Stroll got absolutely screwed by his team for his strategy, came back from 19th to go up to 11th. If Norris or Albon or Piastri did this, he would have got a 6 or 7 minimum.
Before the red flag, Max had more than 27 seconds on Alonso, gaining 3 seconds in the last lap before the red flag. If the situation wouldn't have been bad enough for a red flag, Max might have won the race with at least 20, probably even 30 seconds. This is something that might be ignored when giving Alonso the "Driver of the day" instead of Max. Alonso was totally awesome, such a great ride, but Max, that was just an insane race.
you guys should also do crash ratings .. be fun who crashed the best .... maybe something to think about and when engine failures who had the best fire coming from the engine 🤣 keep up the good work guys .. glad you had a good weekend and a good stay with us
Logan Sargeant crashing after barely making it into q3 and then crashed again in the race, while his teammate outperformed him by a margin: 7/10 Zhou getting a clean p5 in quali, outperfoming Bottas, and then crashed in the race: 2/10 I'm sure that's consistant.
@@oxonomy2372 I'm not against that. I actually support it. But how on earth does Logan's performance in the race deserves a 7/10 if you ignore the quali?
@@type-ke7921 because humans can’t rate things properly. The average rating should be 5/10 but it never is. They consistently rate every race higher than 5 star average. It’s the same with hotels, restaurants and movies, 2.5 star should be average, yet most are 4 star.
I have consistently criticised the points given to Tsunoda, however this time I believe they have a point, the team let him down. Lawson was exceptionally good deserved the plaudits and a chance at a seat
This is the highest average ratings I've seen in a long time, maybe ever. Just one 3/10 and a whopping eight 10/10s, and in changeable conditions too. Terrific job by the grid as a whole.
Feels like there's a little bit of rating inflation. Did all of these drivers getting 10/10s really drive a *perfect* race instead of a merely great one?
He drove as high as 4th and they were trying to extend that soft stind until the rain came in. Had that rain come in while he was still in fourth and had he been able to stay within 5 seconds of Sergio it would have meant a maiden podium for Yuki.
team radio showed that the teams this race messed up big time in being able to choose and stick to using inters, drivers that werent called to pit were asking for it even but were denied the chance to change. in that regard i would atribute much of the loss of performance to team strategy here, except for when it was indeed the drivers fault, bee it a crash or anything related to skill.
So the McLaren drivers - commentary for Piastri terrible McLaren strategy but drivers should ignore the team strategy and just pit (maybe they forgot he is a rookie and rookies don't go against team orders) was on slicks the entire early wet spell, started 8 finished 9 (-1) - scored 6. Norris terrible strategy but apparently it is ok for this 5 year veteran to follow team orders, eventually went on to inters during first wet spell, started 2 finished 7 (-5) - scored 8. And I was beginning to think they were getting over their Brit bias....
Lawson's performance is being overblown IMO. Basically in last the whole race, got to unlap himself from the red flag and finishes P13 with 4 retirements and Tsunoda's penalty. Sure it was commendable he kept it on track but he's not that much of a racing amateur where that should be an issue. We'll see how Italy goes.
I'm starting to think you guys are racist against Perez. I didn't want to believe it, but I can't overlook these slights you frequently throw at him. My observations of your comments over the last two years leads me to this conclusion. I know the British media is rife with racism and you seem to fit right in. Shame on both of you. I was such a fan until now, but I can't stand the slander any longer.
Mclaren strategy of staying out was the second best option and Norris made the call for the worst of all the options (piting too late). If he had kept his cool and stayed out as requested he would most probably got some nice points. A bit weird to get such a high score after making the worst possible call that cost him the race.
@@xtheamazingax they're pretending. They are in Amsterdam f.f.s. Probably having the time of their lives away from the family. Getting hammered every single night and I can imagine Matty waggling through the red district every night, shouting Forza Ferrari and stopping at every window to tell to the scarcely dressed girls that Charles calles him "babe". Eventually ending up on the side of the road crying while drying his tears with his Ferrari scarf. Then you suddenly hear a carradio in the distance MAX MAX, SUPER SUPER MAX MAX MAX... and behold, there is his best friend again. Tommy, who pulls up to the side, lowers his passenger window and shouts to Matty to get his losing Ferrari-ass in the damn car.
In terms of overall driver rating points with Matt changing his score from a 9 to a 10 that means Carlos has now pulled 1 point ahead in cumulative driver ratings over Charl
How can Hamilton have a 9 and be lower than Russell when Russell had the better weekend? Qualified much better and Hamilton made up the majority of his positions in the race due to drivers ahead having bad strategy at the end. And Hamilton went into the gravel but didn't lose out because of the red flags. 2:14 Then why is Russell lower than Hamilton? 7:00 Lance literally outqualified Hamilton in a slower car and lost out because of strategy and he's rated *6* less than Lewis. He's so over hated.
Russell did not have a good weekend. In free practice he was slower than his team mate. He did well in qualy and in the race but finished 15th i believe
I very much enjoy you guys! I am an American F1 fan from way back before it was popular in the states. Started watching back in 2004. I also have followed ya'll from WTF1 and then over here, however, I believe your British bias came out for Hamilton on this one. LOL! Ocon and Hamilton had similar weekends and ended up where their cars should be and you give Hamilton an 8/9 and Ocon a 6. See what I mean. I still love you guys, keep it up. I just wanted to call you out!! LOL!!!
"Staying out wasn't the right call" applies to every relevant driver's grade except Stroll because why actually be honest about his race where he went from 19th to 11th
honestly i’m just baffled that no one realised hamilton went off into the gravel during the wet wet weather and only recovered bc of the red flag. he had a pretty poor showing shrouded by a lot of luck imo
If you look at the team radios, Bottas asked to come in for Inters on the formation lap. So Alfa Romeo did the logical thing and never pitted him for Inters
Tha Ferrari sauce dropping from the ferrari PU
He should have pulled a Ferrari and just pit even if the team isn't ready and force them to give him inters
The team was on par with their drivers. Quite awful
How is it awful from the drivers when the teams don't give them anything to work with? Bottas had one of the best lap 1 making up 6 positions, he could have had a very solid result with the right strategy
France 2021 all over again!
I can just imagine the look of horror on Matt's face when he walks up to the check-in desk and says: "I have a flight back to the UK."
Desk: "...we are checking."
Stay out! Stay out!
"I will come back to you..."
"Your flight is le Clerc's tires when he pulled into his pit box"
"we do not think"
Yuki was running fourth and keeping Lando and Lewis behind him for 10+ laps with and without DRS. But instead of pitting him for track position they went with the 'hope and pray' method waiting for rain and it cost Yuki his race. They had the data showing he could keep guys like Lando and Lewis behind him on comparable tyres and should have pitted him. Just wasted their entire race.
Tsunoda is constantly having quietly impressive performances and I wish more people would actually talk about them. Sadly I think while he's stuck in that AlphaTauri he'll never get the praise he deserves
very well said I 100% agree
Also, it was Yuki who demanded that he boxed lap 1. He actually said “Intermediate intermediate, box box- not Alpha Tauri. So the one good strategy call was madd by Yuki not AT
@@stevieboy666 yes this, every publication writes "tsunoda and alphatauri decided" when it was all yuki.
Yes, the rain would absolutely arrive but they stretched it too far.
In Valteri's defense... AR screwed him on the strategy. He was the first to call for inters, and AR flatly told him no. I can imagine he would have had a substantially better result if they'd listened to him.
Bottas wanted to pit for inters on formation lap, but Alfa refused.
alfa's strategy has always been bad, both alfa driver fucked by the team for multiple times
ratings seem biased at this stage. Logan crashed in quali ánd the race and gets a 7/10 while Bottas gets shafted by strategy and gets a 4. Stroll was begging for inters for ages and was finally allowed to pit at the end of lap 4 putting him last even behind Russell, pretty much a lap behind the leaders, but that's obviously his fault.
Lewis with that car and his talent should've been on the podium yet is awarded with an 8/10 and 9/10 for finishing 6th. George outdrove him over the weekend and was very unlucky to DNF after a tiny touch but gets a 7/10.
@@daarom3472 Why was that stroll fault? lol
@@daarom3472 That´s irony for sure
@@Yetabronz yea it wasn't, it's just that in his case they blame him and Lando gets and 8/10 even though he dropped from 2nd to 7th in the race.
I'm so happy to see Albon at Williams. Him and James are leading the team in a bold new direction. He's on a mission and you can see just how much at home he feels. The future looks promising for Williams.
I'm happy for Williams as well but I'm not so sure Albon will stay with them for another 2 or 3 years especially if a top team comes calling.
@@soundscape26Albon rejected the offer from RB. I think he's staying at Williams to build them into a better team.
Any real F1 fan is happy to see the revival of Williams.
James' reaction to Logan's crash in qually was a polar opposite to some others (Gunther...). He said that Logan knew what mistake he made - he was 10cm off the racing line and anyone could do the same. I'm paraphrasing, but he was speaking so gently and with understanding. He's an awesome team boss, especially for a rookie. If Logan hasn't improved by the end of the year, I wouldn't be surprised if he loses his seat - James is kind but no mug - but if he shows improvement he'll probably stay. If he does, he'll blossom.
At this point, I think Williams is ahead Alpine and close to Aston Martin
This has been the most generous driver rating by quite a distance. The average rating of all the drivers for this race was a 7.05, going over the 6.675 average in Spa by quite a distance, and way above the overall average of ~6.3. Also, with a 9 from both Liam Lawson enters the standings in 2nd place, only behind Max' absolutely insane 9.65.
I don’t think it’s unjustified though- I wouldn’t have been surprised it way more drivers had DNFd than actually did, and there were quite a few very good drives and results in there
Yes and this was probably the most difficult race for all the drivers because of not only quite a technical track but also the weather too
I am so happy you guys both recognized how well Yuki drove, I've seen so many people bash him over the result but like you said he was let down by the team's strategy so badly.
We've rightfully praised Alex for his 44 lap stint on the softs, Yuki did 50, which is insane. Longest stint in the entire race on softs.
Now I kind of understand why AT took this risk, if a SC or heavy rain came earlier they would have looked amazing, but after a while it looks like they fell prey to the sunk cost fallacy.
So yeah great job by Yuki, he can be proud even if the result didn't show how well he drove. Love all the content you guys made, and agree with most of the ratings here. This channel has skyrocketed to my favourite F1 related channel by quite a margin.
Just looking at the lap times and gaps, had Yuki pitted in lap 41-43 he would've likely finished 7th-9th, assuming everything else went as expected and he hadn't gotten that penalty. Alpha lost 2-6 points in the hopes of maybe, just maybe, getting 8-12 points. I don't think it was worth it.
He crashed into George, wrecked his front wing, and received a five second penalty for his troubles. 🤷🏻♂️
@@TheCrumb74Yeah but on soft tires that shouldn’t have been going for that long. Probably felt like driving on ice
If Yuki pitted, Lewis and Lando would have over cut him easily.
Lando and Lewis first lap after pitting was over 1 second faster than Yukis fastest lap.
He did great defending, but staying out and hoping for a safety car was the best decision. He was consistently doing 1:16s for that full stint, yet later in the race, on new softs and lower fuel he was still doing 1:16, so pitting early wouldnt have gained him anymore pace.
Lando, Lewis, ocon, Albon was doing 1:14s for reference.
@@oxonomy2372 The thing is: He literally never drove on those new softs in the race. He did a single stint of 50 laps on the softs straight into the inters for the end, more laps on that tire than anyone else did on any kind of tire. So comparing those lap times doesn't really give us any info as he just hasn't driven those lower fuel runs on softs. So all it really shows is how much time he was losing per lap by not pitting.
I still agree he would've lost at least some positions for pitting of course, almost certainly to Lando and Lewis, but he definitely could've fought for points.
I give Tsunoda a "give him a goddamn break already, FIA" out of 10
"Give him a fucking decent strategist" out of 10
Nah 50s penalty for ocon imo
I'd put at least part of the blame here on the team. They left him out on the same set of soft tires for 50 laps (more than anyone else on any kind of tire) and basically told him to make it work. Forcing him into some pretty desperate and disadvantageous defending with no grip. This just increases the chances of some contact being made somewhere along the way.
So regardless of whether the FIA should've given him a break or not, the team could've avoided putting him in that situation in the first place.
Liam did race well, I'm not saying he didn't. But I feel like a 9/10 is a bit too high. Yes he's a rookie, yes he only got one practice session, but still, qualifying a second after p19 while being "a future world champion" and "the most promising rookie" is not really the best. I'd give him a solid 7/10, race was alright.
Yes, I feel there's some hype around him tbh. He had the merit of staying out of trouble but that P13 is inflated by virtue of Yuki's penalty and George's contact with Lando. 7/10 from me as well.
Well when you consider the dreadful conditions and that he had no prior time in the car, I think a 9 is well deserved, 8 at the very least. You couldn't really expect better qualifying all things considered especially when Alpha Tauri is one of the worst cars on the grid and in the race he did really well.
They didn’t give him a 9/10 because they’re trying to hype him up. They did it to emphasize how hard it can be to come in with so much pressure from media and fans and everything but still be able to perform.
You just gave all the reasons he should be 9/10 ironic. You saw Perez and other drivers going off the track right? Hope you don't think every rookie is like Max.
LH also went through the gravel so 9/10 is fair and on classifications on paper if he got those 10 secs back (from the team double stacking both cars and Yuki slow pitstop) he would be in the points. @@MrBashem
7/10 for Logan??
- Just barely getting out of Q1 at P15
- Made it to Q3, props for that!
- Immediately crashed in Q3
- Lost 7 places in half a lap at the start (from 10 to 17)
- Crashed
That. Is not a 7/10 for me. Crashed the car twice and was P17 after half a lap, undoing the P10 from quali immediately anyways.
And seeing where Albon put the car, he probably should be getting into Q3 anyways
100% he was almost 7 tenths of of Albon in q2. The Williams was just really fast in zandvoort. Honestly don’t know why people treat Sargeant like that and not like most other drivers
Absolutely. If you crash in both qualy and the race you cannot get a 7/10. 5/10 for me.
He should start to deliver now or he also has no business being in F1
If they wanted to swap Logan's 7/10 for Guanyu's 4/10 I'd agree, he was actually racing pretty well in a car that weirdly no one really talks about, but I think is the actual "worst car on the grid"; and everyone was saying that the crash was out of his control there so really a bit of misfortune - he was better than Bottas the whole weekend
@@TheAlexDekker It's very hard to tell what's the worst car on the grid... I guess there isn't much between Alfa Romeo, Haas and Alpha Tauri.
I feel like being Fernando's teammate has finally killed Stroll, he held up pretty well(ish) against Seb but this year has been so bad. Don't see him being on the grid after 24.
It’s so weird he had that one race with his busted hand where he did pretty good then it all just went downhill
Time for Stoffel to make a comeback. The most deserving of all former drivers imho. He should at the very least get a chance for redemption and he is definitely solid when he gets in a car that actually works
@@Roguescienceguy I think they would favour Drugovich over Vandoorne if they had to replace Lance.
He was probably at the same level (or probably a bit worse as he had less experience, especially with the new cars) but Alonso is much better than Seb
@@Roguescienceguy bro stoffel was 21-0 to Alonso. wtf are you saying.
I'm just mad we missed the chance to see Piastri overtake Norris when he closed him down on the mediums when Norris was on the softs. Impressive pace there, he caught him fair and square and would have passed him. For most of the race he had better pace than Norris. He got into DRS range right before the rain came.
I agree. Oscar’s no joke.
Piastri didn't have a good Q3 but people need to remember that he hadn't raced on that track other than a few laps back 4 years ago. He hadn't done many laps on dry conditions as he went off the track in Practice session 2. The breaking zones were different for Q3 and unfortunately he didn't put a good lap in. I think this year has been a nearly year for Oscar. Partly due to not racing on a lot of these tracks previously and the poor strategy he has had from McLaren combined with Norris being prioritised at every opportunity. He has also had quite a lot of bad luck with safety cars and other drivers damaging his car. Next year I think he will finish top 3 if he has a good car.
I feel like everyone keeps forgetting Oscar was unlucky due to the safety car coming out just as he left the puts after recovering from not pitting at the start. He was back up to 6th when it happened
Matt and Tommy have appeared to completely forget that Piastri is a rookie and therefore you would expect him to be obedient with the poor Strategy call. Piastri did very well in the actual race to finish P9. If Lando gets an 8, Piastri deservs a 7 at the very least.
Just remember Alonso set up that dive bomb into T3 2 years ago at the first race back at Zandvoort when he was the first driver to take the wide line that everyone copied. The ultimate long game, Nando is the 🐐.
From my point of view the 4 for Zhou is a bit unfair, especially when you compare it with the 6 for Logan Sargeant. The Williams is clearly the better car in comparison to the Alfa, Logan crashed in Qualy and the Race, the conditions under which Zhou had his crash where nearly undriveable and a lot of drivers went of the track in turn 1.
I was very impressed by Liam. I’m really pulling for him coming into Monza
For sure... but also, Everyone was impressed by De Vries for a similar situation last year... Will be interesting to see how he does in Monza
@@enotdetcelfer to be honest Monza is one of the simplest tracks on the calendar so it would be surprising if he performed comparatively worse at monza than zandvoort
Agree, but I wouldn't have give him a 9/10
@@Brossano22I would, I mean he had no practice, he's a rookie, had the worst car on the grid, and didn't only have a wet race but had changeable conditions with a red flag where zhou who's been driving for much longer binned it and he didn't. Can't really get harder than that and he still overprefomed
Completely disagree, it's almost an absurd comparison. There could hardly have been a bigger difference in the situations between Lawson's and deVries debuts. Nick had full set of practice sessions, dry conditions throughout, on arguably the simplest or 2nd simplest track on the calendar. Liam had exactly none of those things. Less than 24hrs notice, ZERO running time on slicks before the race, qually in the wet-to-dry and on a much more challenging circuit that has much less room for error, and less room period, and a race in the most changeable race conditions in memory. So much more difficult that it was almost a different era and sport!
I'm not a deVries hater, just spitting facts. I am a believer in Lawson, he clearly showed his mettle and earned it.
Don't really understand how you rate Piastri below Sargeant when he qualified closer to his teammate, finished closer to his teammate in the race and had less crashes🤔
Totally agree. Matt and Tommy have appeared to completely forget that Piastri is a rookie and therefore you would expect him to be obedient with the poor Strategy call. Piastri did very well in the actual race to finish P9. If Lando gets an 8, Piastri is at least a 7.
Because they are totally overrating the Williams Drivers all Year
McLaren is arguably the 2nd best car on the grid right now. Williams is clearly not even in the front pack vying for 2nd-6th best car even if Zandvoort proved a good track for them. Also, pretty unfair to blame Logan for the crash in the race--no driver on the grid could've done any better going through a 120 MPH corner and having their steering completely die on them.
Even if you took only Albon's points and multiplied by 2 to offset Logan, Williams would still have less than half the points of 6th place. Williams may not be the p20 merchants of years past, but it's not good and is a good showing by both drivers to have made Q3 period.
I was thinking “because Piastri isn’t a rookie” and well that just says it all really doesn’t it? Piastri has been really strong lately and even in tough conditions he’s a safe pair of hands. I look forward to seeing him progress.
Again, so happy for you boys and all your success. Hopefully Tommy's daughter can be under the podium in a few years when max wins his 10th WDC in a row. (Sorry Matt)
Or she can see leclerc dnf
Yeah, max, max, MAX, SUPERMAX, MAX, max, max. You made my day.
@@rmamon2554I hope you can beat autism!
@@DusJanGamesmaybe both? Lol
@@rmamon2554he can't win every race.... right?
Seeing the pace interval graphic between Max and Checo was like watching a countdown timer, what insanity. I’ve learned to just accept the brilliance of max and I’m actually excited to see him and Redbull take it all. But for the love of God I don’t want to watch this happen again next year.
I don't want this for next year either... Except I kinda do. The F1 fan in me want greater variations in winners for the next two years, but the Honda fan in me screams even louder that we need all the wins if Honda is to overtake Renault for P4 in the rankings of the most successful F1 engine manufacturers.
Checo has been in a awful run of form and that's a fact, but one thing is already clear for everyone to see, Max is in a different level compared to the rest of the field, and Red Bull is clearly making the gap between Max and Checo even bigger with their development focus, because Checo's form would not have ceased to exist out of nowhere, but for Red Bull, what Checo is doing is probably enough (even if they make it sound like it isn't), because with the podiums he gets once a while it's still enough for him to get second in the drivers championship, Red Bull clearly only cares about breaking all records possible with Max, but even so Checo's form should not been this bad
@@diegoemanuel8641I agree!
@@diegoemanuel8641 the real villain in this race is FIA for having a one size fits all penalty for pit lane speed violations. Checo was less than 1 km/h over because he hydroplaned coming in and couldn't brake as much as needed to make speed. for this tiny violation he gets 5 seconds and drops a position. it's the only reason gasly made podium.
I think Lance was a bit harsh because he was screwed worse than likes of Yuki in terms of strategy. Pitted 2 laps late at the start and also an extra pit stop for some reason because they got stuck behind Russell in a DRS train.
Aston Martin's modus operandi this year seems to be splitting strategies. Alonso justly gets first call and then they usually go different with Stroll, often to his detriment.
True but the strategy had bigger consequences for Yuki. He was running net P8 for well over half the race and keeping Norris and Hamilton behind quite easily
@@stevieboy666Lance went from 8 to last man and almost a lap behind the leaders. Him and russell were clearly the most affected ones
I think he more often then not gets the worst strategy. His race engineer goes under the radar just how bad he is
@@stampede5x5 Brad was dull but he was on point with strategies on races like this, that´s why stroll almost always delivered on these types of weekends but since ben took over not so much. He has been getting unlucky with strategies this year to say the least
Bottas is being unfairly judged in these episodes this year. Its like their rating is directly related to car performance rather than driver performance. I don't think max or alonso should have so many 10s after all what rank do you give them on a weekend where they dominate by a full minute despite other things.
But I mean, look at Bottas now, he has this "I don't care" attitude, which make people not like him anymore, and gives the sensation that he isn't trying (I don't believe he doesn't try but you know)
But your example is also judging the driver based on the car. It is impossible to judge the driver without including the cars performance.
Alonso definitely deserved a 10 this race as the Aston isn't the second best car anymore but he still got P2
So we shouldn't judge a driver by their car but you will not give credit to a driver because they have a good car?!
@@FuturaEstrella-rr3wqHuh. A finn has an attitude that feels very "I dont really care"-ish after moving from a title-challenging team to a backmarker and having very lackluster performances. Sounds familiar, no?
Crazy Dutch 🇳🇱 GP track where everybody says it's nearly impossible to overtake with modern day F1 cars has just set an all-time overtake record with 186 overtakes in the race ... 🤯
I love how Williams is slowly becoming a consistent points scoring team, they have still some way to go but it's like they get better every race.
Now a lot of that is down to Alex performing incredibly well, but also behind the scenes they've found their mojo again.
And i'll be the first to admit that i was very worried when Dorilton Capital took over, usually investment companies like to invest as little as possible, and sell for the highest price as soon as possible, but they have invested greatly into this team, kept the brand name alive, and are now making strides on track as well, color me impressed.
Ofc they will sell the team at some point, but it will not be a bottom scraper team when they sell it, if they can keep this development going at Williams, i can see them become a very solid top 5 team, maybe top 4, in seasons to come, and i would be all here for it, Williams was always a special team in F1.
I don't know how would I rate Perez, it feeled like he tried to complete some F1 bingo or something...
- awesome tyre change call
- P1 with great gap
- saving tyres (while Max is pushing like madman) and loose the gap embarrassingly
- is undercuted
- has slow pitstop
- smacks it into the wall (but saves it)
- get stuck behind the red light (but get the position back on lap rollback)
- his car is repaired during red flag period
- speeds in pitlane and gets penalty
team told him more rain was coming in 10 minutes. it was clear he was going to need wets. to avoid an extra stop he had to preserve the inters until rain started. he wasn't going full bore when max roared up on him. the speed limit violation was only 0.8 km/hr and that because he was hydroplaning and could not brake well. . The FIA rule is vile and needs to be softened based on entry speed over 60 km/h. Five seconds for that small violation is outrageous. It's the only reason Gasly finished on podium. to rate alonso and gasly 10 and checo 6 is just more checo hating. he drove an 8 or 9. remember he started 7th and finished 4th (really should have been 3rd or even 2nd). in fact, when he came out of first pit he was p14.
@@garymartin9777yeah, tfhink it shoul be proportional to how much did you speed
race engineer for lance was really face buried in computer radar (like so many race engineers in this). asides from lance screaming like an unhinged goblin, pitting for inters on lap 1 or formation lap would have been the right call for lance's drive. alonso, he's experienced as hell and can totally handle being on slicks for a while in light rain. stroll? he's not nearly as experienced to match that kind of feat.
so many bad strategy calls
Strategically this was the worst race in the season. The only team that didn't fuck it up was Red Bull. Everyone else felt like they had absolutely no idea what they were doing.
Really want you guys to start rating the teams as well soon (next season). I would love for the ratings to include the pit wall, garage work, and overall weekend team contribution. There would be so many attributes to cover that actually make sense to rate the rest of the team by. Please rate the team as well as drivers next!! Love you guys!
Yes I agree, team ratings overall would be great
That would be great!
I’ve taken the train from Amsterdam to London before, it’s a nice ride.
This! I prefer it over the flight.
When Norris stayed out in Sochi he followed his own mind, I can understand why he followed the team’s decision this time, even tho it was wrong
Did you guys leave the hospitality area and watch the race. Harsh on Piastri and illogically kind to others. Rookie. Little track experience. Screwed by strategy being left out on slicks in treacherous conditions ( like Albon). Was over a minute behind at the start of the race. Brave overtakes in changing conditions on the slicks. Double stacked behind Lando at the second deluge. Still scored points
Bottas was the first to call for Inters he didn't overrule his team and just in to others did.
I was fuming that I AT didn't pit Tsunoda.. like it's almost Ferrari level strategy blunder. He was fighting for position and WINNING against Hamilton and Lando and only if they had pitted, he could have been in 6-8 position.
It happens nearly every race and its just depressing atp
it was incredibly frustrating to watch for sure. He did 50 laps on those softs, Albon did 44 (already insane and an outlier), George 44 but on hards and everyone else 30 something laps at most on any kind of tire. They made him do the longest stint out of anyone on any kind of tire... on softs.
It is utterly ridiculous. Yuki is secretly driving an incredible season but with almost nothing to show for it in terms of results through very little fault of his own.
Harsh valuation of Lance. He called for a pit stop in the wet and the Team didn't listen to him. I think you need to better check what happened with all the drivers.
AM being atrocious at strategy is getting covered up a lot by Alonso being able to run his own strategy department (which is an exceptional ability and shouldn’t be expected of Lance [or the Ferrari boys, for that matter]).
When it comes to Lance it doesn’t matter what he does anymore because we’ve all decided he sucks & can do nothing right.
He could find a cure for cancer & we’d be mad he didn’t cure the common cold first.
Ain't nobody got time for that, these podcasts are for entertainment--they can't go through hours of listening to everyone's radio the whole race.
@@ViggoMor10sen Alonso probably has bandwidth to take on Lance's strategy too, add it to his responsibilities.
been waiting for this one for a while, love u guys
Weirdly enough despite finishing 6, I think this was one of Lewis’s good races this season. Dude was absolutely flying at the end the amount of overtakes he did was impressive. As usual Mercedes is turning into the new Ferrari with that late pit call and slow pit stop
Was over a minute behind on lap 5.
Made up 17s gap time in the 40 laps between the two safety cars.
A bit rough of a score for Piastri, he had the same terrible strategy call as Albon, but made some good moves when he could. Not much more he could've done.
Sargeant at a 6 and a 7 is mad. How are we supposed to objectively measure driver performance when younger/lower expectation drivers are given boosts? If Magnussen or Bottas had that weekend they would have been given 2s or 3s.
Ye like he crashed out of q3 and probably broke the car enough to damage other parts that failed in the race. Then you compare him to albon where albon himself said there was more in it and they chosed the wrong strategy so albon should have a 8 and sargent max a 4 not close to albon and besides being in q3 nothing special in race besides dropping like a stone
And Zhou was rated 4 for crashing out in undriveable conditions
Bottas overtook like 7 cars in lap 1 and got denied by his team when he wanted to pit. 8/10 for me. He would easely finish top 10 if they listend to him.
Additionally to the drivers ratings, how about a team/strategy rating ?
I was watching a watch along with trackmap and timing. Poor Yuki was really struggling. How or why they didn't bring him in is beyond me. Alex Albon on 45 lap old tyres was awesome. Great stint there.
How has George with P17 more than Piastri? This makes no sense - yes George got freaked by Mercs strategy - but he didn’t manage to climb back in any shape or form like his teammate did…
Stroll got his race screwed again by his team specially by his engineer who was literally ignoring his advice to pit for inters and then pit for inters when it was already good for softs, but of course they don´t even know or care to mention that.
Do more research and don´t be so bias.
They want Stroll gone from F1, so they will never show the full story. Stroll could luck his way into a podium like same as Gasly and they would give him a 6/10 since it's luck.
@@epic908Brad was kind of dull but in these types of races they would always get stroll strategy right, while with ben not so much.
In regards to matt and tommy i like their content but damn they are extremely biased sometimes and i think they geniunely don´t like stroll at all because if that happened to alonso they would be crying the whole video.
My ratings
Max - 10
Checo - 5.5
Sainz - 9
Charles - 5
Lewis - 7
George - 7
Gasly - 10
Ocon - 6
Lando - 8
Piastri - 5
Alonso - 10
Lance - 5
Yuki - 7
Liam - 7
Bottas - 5
Zhou - 7
Hulk - 6
KMag - 4
Albon - 8
Logan - 4
For the next year you could break the points for every diver. For example:
Checko
Qualifying- 6
Race - 8
Decisions during race - 10(for the first lap pit)
Overall - (6+8+10) /3 = 8
Zhou
Qualifying - 3
Race - 5
Decisions during race - 10(for the first lap pit)
Overall - (3+5+10) /3 = 6
This way you will be able to award more accurately every single driver.
You can put even more metrics.
And last but not least, the segment will be longer = more $$$$
I find it a teeny tiny bit annoying that you keep saying "finished DNF". Thats literally "finished did not finish" as I'm sure you know..
Hey guys,
Suggestion here: maybe add a grade for the race itself (and maybe another for qualy?) as well to these. Then at the end of the season we can see which race was best.
A lot of the Lance Stroll hate is genuinely misplaced, he got shafted by the team and got stuck in a drs train. There’s a clear bias for Lando no matter what he does and I find it odd.
Exactly! If Lando is as good as people say he is, he should be miles clear of his teammate, who is a rookie of all things. People say “it’s the car” for so many drivers like Max or Lewis even when they are miles ahead of their teammates. McLaren made an excellent car and now, suddenly, it’s all Lando.
I've given Matt very much heat because of his preseason prediction on De Vries. He did well last season to get a point in the Williams car. However, in what would have been his car Liam Lawson did something incredible on an unforgiving circuit as Zandvoort, with one practice and only Quali 1 to get some experience and then drive to 13. It proved me wrong and Matt right. My apologies Matt. As impressive as De Vries' performance in the Williams last year was, Lawson proved your point in De Vries' former car.
I was more pessimistic about Nyck from the get go despite that Monza showing. I just figured that most teams have a really good feeling about drivers, and there was a reason for why nobody had picked him up until that one great drive.
I really wanted that feeling to have been wrong, so it sucks, but he just isn't F1 material. :/
Lawson will surprise everyone this week
@@lestercombs1871 Who knows Lester. I am looking forward to it.
I wonder what grade Max the inevitable Verstappen gets this time 🤣
Thanks guys.. same as every race week, Been looking forward to this video since the Sunday race..No F1 channel beats P1..
I have not once noticed or heard Stroll in the race. I think not having any pressure on his seat is affecting his motivation and focus quite badly.
Dude bottas have a stunning start and the team don’t listen to his calls
First time I don't agree. Sargaent crashes out in qualy AND the race, and still receives a 6/7. Zhou crashes in the race, because of the horrible conditions and recieves a 4?? For me this doesn't add up
Max had his win-streak, including
-miami, starting p9 with the teammate on pole
-monaco with an all time last sector and very challenging rain conditions
-canada with another unbelievable qualifying in mixed conditions
-Spa, although may be his best track, still a grid penalty and mixed conditions in quali
-zandvoort, most chaotic race
-Austria and great britain, also weekends with mixed conditions
If there is only one tiny mistake and he gets second, the streak is gone. That he put together that streak on so many chaotic races is actually unbelievable.
Hardest race to rate as so many got screwed by strategy even when they called to pit but their team refused.
But looking at pure pace, some were really quick when they were given the right tire.
Can't lie these are the worst grades you've given all season imo. Seems like you didn't look into it much for most of the drivers. Still love the content and watch all of your videos
The only rating I strongly disagree on is for Sargeant. Other are relatively good.
@@Idontknow-pp9hona most make no sense it wasnt a amazing race by albon it was a solid race really, how lewis was better then Norris i dont get, piastri WORST then logan even tho both are rookies is a joke, Zhou a 4/10? For aquaplaning? Like what we saw literally Lewis struggle under VSC to keep the car on track on turn 1 how is the crash his fault really. Its obviously still a tyre problem because they need to stay on inters or else they lose out on to much pace. Bottas and his call didn't get mentioned.....
Nah 7 for logan is ridiculous. Way off his teammate again in qualifying and crashed twice.
The race crash was a mechanical problem. Now i would have given him a 6 but since he is a rookie i think a 7 is more fair. Especially since albon is SO incredible!
Lol I was just thinking before they said it (as I usually do) "Yeah probably a 3/10... nah what am I saying that's a 4/10" and then I hear Matt with a 7
Rookie is not an excuse for me. The gap to albon is too much
Most of these scores are laughable.
@@pmia23 Yhea i think alot of them are too tbf
Sargent binned his car twice in the whole weekend aswell as qualifying behind his teammate and getting a 7/10
You know the Poms are legit worried about Piastri with a rating like that 😅
As an Australian, I love knowing deep down they are worried 😅
I swear Matt hates Zhou or something. When Zhou is doing well, Tommy would acknolwedge it and show excitement and enthusiastism. On the other hand, Matt barely acknowledges Zhou when he does a good job and often just gave backhanded comments. But when Zhou makes a mistake. Matt is the first one to jump on him and is extra hrash on him, while always being lenient and make excueses for other drivers he like. I am tired of the bias.
Maybe don't watch UA-cam videos then if all you want is a fucking unbiased wikipedia article
Have you noticed they BOTH hate Perez?
Okey, I know I am a Lando fanboy. But how is Hamilton getting 9/10 and Lando 8/10. They finished the race at the same time nearly perfectly, and Hamilton didnt do well in the qually, while Lando put it P2. Am I crazy to think that?
I was thinking the same thing! In my opinion, Lando and Alex had a very similar weekend: great quali, very bad strategy and good recovery drive. So don't completely understand how Alex got a 9 and Lando almost a 7
One started p13 and got to p6 where did Lando start and where did he finish? Not that difficult to work that out. People like you should watch the race instead of relying on Highlights or others telling you what happened. Make your own conclusions. Lewis had a better recovery drive than Lando.
@DarwiishIoI ye but he should not qualify that bad lol George was in the top 3-4 easily, so whats your point? Is it a 9/10 for checo if he qualified p8 and came back to p4? No because he should have performed better in quali
@@ehrlichgesagt863 what's your point?! One bad qualifying and you come running for Lewis's head clutching pitchfork, and don't bring up Checko who's in the fastest car of the season telling me he qualified p8 then in the race at some point 14 seconds ahead of Max and squanders it. Try again fella cause you ain't winning any argument with softballs like that.
Max can break the record for most consecutive podiums (2nd and 3rd places count) at the GP of Mexico. A record that stands for 21 years (Schumacher, 19 during USA GP 2001 until Japan GP 2002
We start off, I see a 7 out of 10 for Sargeant, who was way slower than his teammate and literally crashed. Nahhh, you're joking
the amount of slack SAR gets from these guys is INSANE
Can’t blame him for the crash, the hydraulics blew and he lost steering.
But yeah still not a 7
@@oxonomy2372 I meant the crash in qualifying
@@kevindejong01 ah right, but they do their ratings for the GP not the weekend
@@oxonomy2372still the start was awful he literally lost 7 places in half a lap lol first time top 10 and the pressure took him
My p1 for me is gasly. Unbelievable drive from him
Can you add a segment to rate the races too?
And a lot British fans say Zandvoort was boring with a record 186 overtakes
Zandvoort is a top tier circuit, let the brits cope & seethe.. they wish they could match the energy, those stuck up miserable pricks
Every race that Max wins is boring for the British... Nothing to do with the amount of overtakes. 😊
Not heard one person say that race was boring
@@oxonomy2372they said that overall Zandvoort would be boring, not this race.
Just read the comments on the BBC F1 site@@oxonomy2372
I still have hope for a Stroll podium this season. Come on Lance you got this!!
Maybe Fernando can put on his suit and sneak into his car to get him one.
@@ViggoMor10sen I'd be willing to take that at this point hahahaha
I shouldn't be angry at sth so positive & uplifting but this Lance appreciation after this season makes me wanna punch a wall
@@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168 I'm a Stroll fan so just 1 podium would make me so happy!!!!
@@TheLogFog I think all all drivers and teams should have fans, it makes it much more interesting, but I'm curious at what made you a Stroll fan...
I love that sargeant gets a free pass for being balls because he’s a rookie but pastrami gets the disappointment face even though he’s just as much a rookie.
They actually gave Carlos 10's, I'm impressed
Logan crashed and you rate him higher than Magnussen. This shows how flawed you guys are.
Im okay that you guys do a rating video for each race. But if you do it, actually do some research or rewatch the race. Stroll got absolutely screwed by his team for his strategy, came back from 19th to go up to 11th. If Norris or Albon or Piastri did this, he would have got a 6 or 7 minimum.
Before the red flag, Max had more than 27 seconds on Alonso, gaining 3 seconds in the last lap before the red flag. If the situation wouldn't have been bad enough for a red flag, Max might have won the race with at least 20, probably even 30 seconds. This is something that might be ignored when giving Alonso the "Driver of the day" instead of Max. Alonso was totally awesome, such a great ride, but Max, that was just an insane race.
you guys should also do crash ratings .. be fun who crashed the best .... maybe something to think about and when engine failures who had the best fire coming from the engine 🤣 keep up the good work guys .. glad you had a good weekend and a good stay with us
Logan Sargeant crashing after barely making it into q3 and then crashed again in the race, while his teammate outperformed him by a margin: 7/10
Zhou getting a clean p5 in quali, outperfoming Bottas, and then crashed in the race: 2/10
I'm sure that's consistant.
Logan’s race crash was a mechanical failure.
The ratings are based on the GP alone, quaili isn’t a factor.
@@oxonomy2372 I'm not against that. I actually support it. But how on earth does Logan's performance in the race deserves a 7/10 if you ignore the quali?
@@type-ke7921 because humans can’t rate things properly. The average rating should be 5/10 but it never is. They consistently rate every race higher than 5 star average.
It’s the same with hotels, restaurants and movies, 2.5 star should be average, yet most are 4 star.
Alonso is a legend.
Maybe its also fun to give the team itself also a rating for strategie and car performance?
I have consistently criticised the points given to Tsunoda, however this time I believe they have a point, the team let him down. Lawson was exceptionally good deserved the plaudits and a chance at a seat
This is the highest average ratings I've seen in a long time, maybe ever.
Just one 3/10 and a whopping eight 10/10s, and in changeable conditions too.
Terrific job by the grid as a whole.
Feels like there's a little bit of rating inflation. Did all of these drivers getting 10/10s really drive a *perfect* race instead of a merely great one?
For me:
Verstappen: 10
Perez: 6
Hamilton: 9
Russell: 6
Leclerc: 2
Sainz: 10
Norris: 8
Piastri: 7
Gasly: 10
Ocon: 7
Bottas: 4
Zhou: 4
Tsunoda: 8
Lawson: 9 (would be a 7 if he wasn't a rookie)
Hulkenberg: 7
Magnussen: 5
Alonso: 10
Stroll: 3
Albon: 9
Sargeant: 4
He drove as high as 4th and they were trying to extend that soft stind until the rain came in. Had that rain come in while he was still in fourth and had he been able to stay within 5 seconds of Sergio it would have meant a maiden podium for Yuki.
As a fellow kiwi I'm so happy liam did well excited to see how he does this weekend in hopefully better conditions
I give you guys a 10 out of 10 for having a great racing experience and making the best out of being stranded!
team radio showed that the teams this race messed up big time in being able to choose and stick to using inters, drivers that werent called to pit were asking for it even but were denied the chance to change. in that regard i would atribute much of the loss of performance to team strategy here, except for when it was indeed the drivers fault, bee it a crash or anything related to skill.
I’ve listened to this on spotify, and I’ll watch it again as a background noise while I work.
I have to say this comment section is so knowledgeable. We here in the States love you guys!
No "we" don't. Speak for yourself.
Yuki is such a poor guy..glad you guys respect and rate him fair!
So the McLaren drivers - commentary for Piastri terrible McLaren strategy but drivers should ignore the team strategy and just pit (maybe they forgot he is a rookie and rookies don't go against team orders) was on slicks the entire early wet spell, started 8 finished 9 (-1) - scored 6.
Norris terrible strategy but apparently it is ok for this 5 year veteran to follow team orders, eventually went on to inters during first wet spell, started 2 finished 7 (-5) - scored 8.
And I was beginning to think they were getting over their Brit bias....
Lawson's performance is being overblown IMO. Basically in last the whole race, got to unlap himself from the red flag and finishes P13 with 4 retirements and Tsunoda's penalty. Sure it was commendable he kept it on track but he's not that much of a racing amateur where that should be an issue. We'll see how Italy goes.
Yes, the P13 is flattering. Yuki's penalty, George's contact at the end, Zhou in the barriers... He managed to stay out of trouble basically.
Walked past Matt & Tommy at the Amsterdam Airport today. Super cool to see them in person! Thanks for your work!
I'm starting to think you guys are racist against Perez. I didn't want to believe it, but I can't overlook these slights you frequently throw at him. My observations of your comments over the last two years leads me to this conclusion. I know the British media is rife with racism and you seem to fit right in. Shame on both of you. I was such a fan until now, but I can't stand the slander any longer.
Mclaren strategy of staying out was the second best option and Norris made the call for the worst of all the options (piting too late). If he had kept his cool and stayed out as requested he would most probably got some nice points. A bit weird to get such a high score after making the worst possible call that cost him the race.
I would ABSOLUTELY love a graphic that would let me keep oversight throughout the vid 😅
Hope you guys can get home ok in due course. Stay safe, both of you.
Ofcourse they'll be safe. They are in Holland😂. They're safer there than in England
@@Roguescienceguy hey, I gotta show support for them. SOMEONE should.
@@xtheamazingax they're pretending. They are in Amsterdam f.f.s. Probably having the time of their lives away from the family. Getting hammered every single night and I can imagine Matty waggling through the red district every night, shouting Forza Ferrari and stopping at every window to tell to the scarcely dressed girls that Charles calles him "babe". Eventually ending up on the side of the road crying while drying his tears with his Ferrari scarf. Then you suddenly hear a carradio in the distance MAX MAX, SUPER SUPER MAX MAX MAX... and behold, there is his best friend again. Tommy, who pulls up to the side, lowers his passenger window and shouts to Matty to get his losing Ferrari-ass in the damn car.
In terms of overall driver rating points with Matt changing his score from a 9 to a 10 that means Carlos has now pulled 1 point ahead in cumulative driver ratings over Charl
How can Hamilton have a 9 and be lower than Russell when Russell had the better weekend? Qualified much better and Hamilton made up the majority of his positions in the race due to drivers ahead having bad strategy at the end. And Hamilton went into the gravel but didn't lose out because of the red flags.
2:14 Then why is Russell lower than Hamilton?
7:00 Lance literally outqualified Hamilton in a slower car and lost out because of strategy and he's rated *6* less than Lewis. He's so over hated.
because they are british and sponsored by mercedes??? (i mean matt and tom) given how the team is backing up lewis is no surprising their reaction
Russell did not have a good weekend.
In free practice he was slower than his team mate.
He did well in qualy and in the race but finished 15th i believe
I very much enjoy you guys! I am an American F1 fan from way back before it was popular in the states. Started watching back in 2004. I also have followed ya'll from WTF1 and then over here, however, I believe your British bias came out for Hamilton on this one. LOL! Ocon and Hamilton had similar weekends and ended up where their cars should be and you give Hamilton an 8/9 and Ocon a 6. See what I mean. I still love you guys, keep it up. I just wanted to call you out!! LOL!!!
"Staying out wasn't the right call" applies to every relevant driver's grade except Stroll because why actually be honest about his race where he went from 19th to 11th
Because they clearly hate the guy. Bias is strong with these two.
Pierre was so good this season honestly but just very unlucky, he deserves that podium over the moon for himmm
honestly i’m just baffled that no one realised hamilton went off into the gravel during the wet wet weather and only recovered bc of the red flag. he had a pretty poor showing shrouded by a lot of luck imo