Chatting with a Person Living with HIV
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Chatting with a Person Living with HIV
"The human immunodeficiency viruses (HIV) are two species of Lentivirus (a subgroup of retrovirus) that infect humans. Over time, they cause acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS),[1][2] a condition in which progressive failure of the immune system allows life-threatening opportunistic infections and cancers to thrive.[3] Without treatment, average survival time after infection with HIV is estimated to be 9 to 11 years, depending on the HIV subtype.[4] In most cases, HIV is a sexually transmitted infection and occurs by contact with or transfer of blood, pre-ejaculate, semen, and vaginal fluids. Research has shown (for both same-sex and opposite-sex couples) that HIV is untransmittable through condomless sexual intercourse if the HIV-positive partner has a consistently undetectable viral load.[5][6] Non-sexual transmission can occur from an infected mother to her infant during pregnancy, during childbirth by exposure to her blood or vaginal fluid, and through breast milk.[7][8][9][10] Within these bodily fluids, HIV is present as both free virus particles and virus within infected immune cells." - wikipedia
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I'm so glad you challenged him on not disclosing.
@@Apostrophe18 19:21
@Boreeng Vajay lol chill I don’t think it’s that deep on Andrew. He challenged him, maybe he wanted to make the guy look like a ass on his own
yeah this guy should probably be investigated. Not sure an eye roll is appropriate when questioned about a life threatening disease. This isn't a game people, your talking about taking meds until you die, I would consider that a HUGE deal. This also goes for straight people to, be responsible!
*This guy is incredibly reckless by even suggesting that people shouldn't disclose. Wow.*
^^^^^^
hiv is a mindvirus
What part of vid?
Watching it's around 19-21 minutes
The reasoning he gave was "since you didn't ask whether or not the other person have hiv too, it's your fault too" no my dude, how many people have hiv, maybe 2-4%? you're the one bringing something different to the table that's life threatening so it's solely your responsibility to bring it up and disclose. what if you have some other disease just as life threatening and communicable and the person didn't even know the name of it? besides asking people if they've hiv is not polite, or asking any person if they have any disease, for that matter. should one make a list of all the diseases one can get during sex and ask the other person before indulging in sex whether or not they have those? what if the person have the disease that you somehow skipped from the list, so it's your fault for not bringing that particular disease up? what a fucked up logic and extremely manipulative way to assign your responsibility and blame on someone else.
and about the taking the meds and the virus being untraceable and non communicable... well there is still a probability however small it is that you can still get a virus. and if there is a possibility than you have 100 percent reason to know about it. make enquiries whether or not the other person is regularly taking their meds, make a decision whether or not to believe them and then finally decide whether or not to go forward with having sex.
If you're so worried about what's gonna happen to you if you disclose, just dont have sex with that person. This view on disclosure is so self-centric that it blows my mind. At the end of the interview you should have told him "by the way, i have corona. you should have asked me if I had it"
lol true
If you don't know how someone is going to react to your disclosure of having HIV, you probably don't know them well enough to be deciding to have sex. DUHHHHH
@@aredesuyo yeaaah
Gays for you
Hmm. I see. That's an interesting point. For Corona then isn't part of the communication to ask if the other person has it or to wear a mask for safety? Also it seems that HIV is much more controllable and preventing spreading it than Corona at the moment, so maybe the arguments aren't really the same. No? I see what you're saying though in terms of responsibility.
After this interview, you really should have a medical professional come on your show to clear up some facts or have another person on with HIV who is responsible and does indeed disclose their HIV status.
Why? Because you think this gives a bad name to people with HIV?
Sorry, but this is the reality that SOME people will not disclose their HIV. And I think it's common sense that some people will disclose it.
I prefer to be made believe that people won't disclose theit hiv status rather than get sold on the idea that i should trust every person when they dont mention that they have and std.
@@nonenone2669 exactly hearing him say he wont disclose its gonna stay with me for ever how some people are scummy, but still there should be someone who’s knowledgeable on the subject of beinh hiv positive from a neutral standpoint
I can understand why one might be uncomfortable disclosing. The fear of rejection is pretty powerful. However, I feel like it's selfish and wrong not to give your potential partner the heads-up so they can make an informed decision.
I imagine honestly most of the negative reaction was from them being told so late into the date/ getting to know him.
However? This guy should be in jail.
@@TheImmenseFence I believe this 100 percent. The people with HIV NEVER admit it but everyone who's been burned by someone with HIV, even the spreaders, all claim it was given to them by someone who did NOT disclose. So why repeat the pattern?
“I am on various gay apps”
Andrew: *giggles*
Ahhh, a true boy at heart. 😂👌🏼
The whole thing felt like he was trying to justify his own guilt.
he probably infected a few people without saying anything...
If you have an STD/STI, regardless if it's curable or not, you should 100% definitely tell your partner BEFOREHAND no matter what. Of course their response more than likely won't be positive....but the most SELFISH thing a person who is positive can do is NOT tell someone before having sex...putting an innocent person at risk while KNOWING you have a life threatening or non curable disease all because you're afraid of their reaction, it actually illegal and you can be charged for it.
Even if it was legal to do it, it would still be selfish and ethically wrong
@@1astrocytecell780 haha you're a sociopath 2
GameMaster aha 4 what
Wow my dude you are being very selfish by not disclosing.
Disclosure is super important. Asking someone before you clap if they have aids is somewhat insulting/insinuating they've been around. I'm not gonna risk my life for a nut
Fuck it, I am. Whoops
JordanLemonsorbet a couple min of pleasure for a lifelong illness lmao
If you don't ask, and don't use protection, then you are risking your life.
@@EpicBandicoot This guy gives off the vibe he would lie when asked though which is horrifying.
I’m not Christian but the older I become the more I understand why waiting to have sex is a concept we should try to reintroduce
Am I the only one who thinks this dude is delusional?
Nope
3:55 it's still his responsibility to tell people
He says you could get beat up or killed. I don’t really think anyone is going to kill you for disclosing you have HIV.
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He's so worried about people getting hurt when disclosing.... I bet money its more dangerous not to disclose if the person finds out later.
Who wants to be monogamous?
Thanks for being here.
Victoria Bergman what?
Victoria Bergman alright prude
Good thing he disclosed it for the interview, cause otherwise they wouldn't know what the hell to talk about in the first place
If you have to live with the fact that you have HIV, you also have to live with the fact that you are 100% responsible for letting any sexual partners know. Childish if you think otherwise
"Responsability is just one of those words that I try to move us away from"
SNAKE
Isn’t it a law that you have to disclose?
Here in Germany Doctors can't make the diagnose public, they can only announce it anonymously in order to protect the persons social status.
Zero Cool in commiefornia, if you knowingly spread it to someone you would have faced a felony and 3-8 years in prison but just this year it was reduced to a misdemeanor 6 months in prison. Know you can go in and out of jail and keep spreading it, yay!
Honor 8x these things don’t even relate lmao
yes. it is illegal. i actually had an experience with a guy who, before we had sex, lied to me when i had asked (about his sexual health in general. not just HIV) him if he was negative or positive. luckily, we used a condom. but i was still livid about it. i had found out that he was sloppy (through a friend of our's) about him taking his meds consistently and lied about being negative to his past partners. i went ahead and got tested anyway and THANK GOD i was negative. some people just don't give a shit.
Daniel Lopez wow I’m so sorry that happened to you. I can’t even imagine the distress that caused you.
14:00 This is the most irresponsible part. "Stop assigning blame" etc. HIV is nearly impossible catch. If you don't inject drugs and don't have unprotected anal sex, your chance of getting HIV basically zero. He's making it seem like he's a five year old who got leukemia. It's sad that a quarter century in, he's still paralyzing young men into pretending they have no choice in whether they get HIV or not and it "just happens." BS.
Why do I have the feeling this guy will "blame" taxpayers if they don't want to pay for his expensive antiviral drugs?
Yeah this guy sucks. The fact he doesn’t disclose tells me he’s truly a POS.
Mate, how is this guy going to justify not telling someone that you're HIV positive, absolutely pathetic.
He just doesn't care. Doesn't love people and himself at all I think
I wonder if the HIV persons who disclosed their status and were beat up or kill disclosed their status before or after any physical contact with the person who hurt/killed them?
THANK YOU.
Yeah totally
I hit a family in my truck, drunk, they all die, the court wants to charge me with DUI and ManSlaughter. Me : Well, you see, it’s important that we don’t cast blame on anyone here, and in fact, I didn’t even know I was drunk when it happened.
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How is catching HIV analogous to someone dying from a drunk crash in 2020 dude ?
@@gilh4159 Are you stupid?
Worried about reaction? Thats not a valid worry for the person with HIV because the other person has to worry about actually getting HIV not a "reaction" this guy is a sociopath honestly.
I feel like the reaction comes in when you disclose it after having sex. I can imagine situations in which that could get violent, but it's much harder to imagine a situation in which telling someone beforehand would lead to violence. I feel like he's citing situations like "I had sex with someone, then told them I was HIV positive, then they got aggressive" as an excuse to not disclose beforehand.
if you person is on ARV meds the HIV cant be passed onto whoever they have sex with tho
B harrison yeah but you still have to disclose you have hiv and let the person decide. If that thats the case you should also tell that person that it will be difficult to catch since your on meds. But at the end of the day people assume your clean until otherwise noted
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Didn’t he already do this?
Just watch True Detective
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@@jacobmccarthy1171 just watch silence of the lambs
@@yoavhalperin5852 what about an active serial killer then?
That's terrible not to disclose??? Then again im not casual like that
@NIkefan253 Yes, even if the risk of transmission is much lower, it's still there, and not disclosing is a really shitty thing to do. he should put himself in the shoes of his partner.
@@anthonychrisbradley no, he didn’t say “much less” he said “the chance of transmission is zero”... which is true?
Great talk, nice to see chatting with back!
The face Andrew pulls and glance at the camera at 11:58 when Alex asks to ask him a questions absolutely kills me, the nervousness 😅
this guy is basically saying "I won't get laid if i disclose my sexually transimitted, potentially deadly, disease. So i don't wanna tell them - cause i wanna get laid"
always bringing interesting perspectives on the world andrew great stuff!
The last thing I want someone to bring up before having sex is HIV. Sorry dude, the burden is on you 100%; nobody is going to ask nor should they be expected to.
I thought the point he was making was that if you wouldn't ask them if they have HIV or if you wouldn't wear a condom, then why would they tell you? Right? Like sex requires two people so communication about something like that doesn't necessarily have to be with just the person who has HIV, right? I see what you're saying though. I never thought about it the way Alex did until watching the video.
@@Origamiztec It takes two people to tango right? I agree so that's why I ask all of my neighbors if they're a sex offender before I continue further relations with them. They say you're supposed to be registered but heh, it's my fault for moving next to a sex offender and not asking, am i right?
He kept saying “logical point of view” i dont think he realizes his disclosure argument is all emotional
“I mean my audience knows I’m kind of a jackass”
Mom I went to drink the milk and it was rotten...you should have told me! Haha aww sweetie but you never asked.
You wanna jet back to my place and pop in a chatting with?
First you need to ask if I have HIV, because I’m not going to tell you. Why would I?
Otay Otay
I feel like Andrew is sitting further away from this guy then other guests lol
There is a difference between disclosing after having sex and disclosing before:
Disclose before, get consent. Fine.
Disclose after, no consent. Not fine.
This guy has HIV. Goes to a bar and meets another guy. Discloses that he has an incurable and sexually transmitted disease (HIV). The guy he just met says "maybe we shouldn't go home together", implying he doesn't want to contract HIV. And this guy says he was "sort of a douchebag" for rejecting sleeping with him?????
This guy 10000% doesn't disclose to everyone he sleeps with that he has HIV which is super fucked up. You can tell by his reaction when Andrew first brought it up. His excuse might be that it's very treatable... but now the person he just gave it to has to take two pills a day for the rest of his life
24:50 "Did you ask her?" So according to this guy you gotta bring an encyclopedia and start asking all the transmittable diseases because if you don't, they don't have to disclose. SMH.
14:37 I don't agree with this guy. He is justifying not telling the people he meets on dating apps that he is HIV positive
You need to disclose your status man. Logically and objectively it’s the infected persons responsibility.
Who asks “do you have HIV?” Before sex? Lol talk about a mood killer
You dont wanna ask cuz is uncomfortable, she may feel the same way telling you. And about risks, I think someone responsible (wich im assuming both are) that knows has HIV knows more about precautions than you.
Jorge Alberto Benavides Ojinaga Yeah the person is obviously uncomfortable telling them they have HIV. But that does not matter. It is cruel to not let them have the choice to decide if they are actually comfortable or not. The person with HIV can explain their situation and then the other person can decide if they’re okay with it. Same reason trans people disclose that information before they have sex. It is scary but it is the right thing to do. And imagine if they find out AFTER the fact? You are putting yourself in just as much, if not more, danger .
If this guy can empathize with being rejected within a gay relationship/sexual encounter, you should be able to sympathize with the fear of getting HIV if you don’t have it. It’s true, it’s not easy to ask and people with or without HIV can get offended.
This guy is slimy as hell. You can tell he's had years and years to master manipulation because that's exactly how he's presenting himself. I hope his future partners come across this video and drop this guy like a fly...what a sad world we live in sometimes.
"Do you have HIV? Chlamydia? Gonorrhea? HPV? Leprosy? Ligma?"
"No"
* *does sex* *
"That was grest, btw I have AIDS"
I knew gay sex was riskier than straight sex (in general, there are exceptions of course), but after seeing this seemingly normal and well put together gay man share his thoughts on disclosure, my perspective on gay sex has completely changed. It's fucking way more dangerous than I thought with people like this out there.
Wow. This guy is horrible
post more bro 😅 used to love watching these
Emotional harm isn’t the same as rejection either, at least not in the same degree
I told my new girlfriend about my stds before we did anything sexual (not hiv or aids) and she accepted me and the relationship has been so healthy and great. Even if she didn’t accept me and didn’t want to see me, this is still the better route to go. It wasn’t fair when someone gave me stds without telling me and it wouldn’t be fair to do the same!
"Why would she tell you she has HIV if you didn't ask her?" WTF?! You need to mention if you have HIV before sleeping with someone. Honesty is the best policy and its the LAW in most states.
this guy is extremely selfish and is CLEARLY making excuses for himself
@GameMaster what?
? explain
@@jackgrubb6620 they said he's gay. That means the guest is homosexual. Got it?
I died at "did it feel like a death sentence" amazing delivery
Omg.... you HAVE TO DISCLOSE! This is someone’s life. “Complex” reasons.... unbelievable....
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You can say what u want about this guy, but through it all he at least stayed ₕᵢᵥ positive.
Top comment worthy
I was scared to death of getting hiv as a straight guy in the 90's. The movie Kids? yeah. We all were
That movie is a prime example of reality. ANYONE can get it. Scary.
*“Viral load”*
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Didn't even cop that Haha
"Responsibility is one of those words I'm trying to move us away from"
Andrew, i'm just gonna like the video because of you, this guy is full of BS
Should have asked him about bug chasing. That shit is WILD.
Do a chatting with someone who recovered from an eating disorder
Its absurd to be aware that you have HIV, have sex with someone and not tell them about it beforehand. All you are doing is fulfilling your egotistical desires, having a good time fulfilling your sexual urges and having no care for the person you are putting at risk because you are afraid of being judged or rejected. (ego hurt)..... this is the Most ridiculous shit i have ever heard
Most people with Herpes and HIV don't disclose, they don't want to lose a chance to have sex.
19:19 How to dodge a question and avoid responsibility
Nice Andrew, keep the fresh content coming!
This guy is cooked
Which one?
soft and slow talking sounds smart... but there is hardly any real information coming out. it’s all fluff and no meat.
Yeah he’s good at talking
Good chat Andrew!
This is unbelievable. This loser should go to prison.
Stay positive, just not HIV positive
lmao
Thanks Han Solo
Note "Always Ask even if you end up being the dick" because people are untrustworthy.
Whoever slept with this dude gotta get checked ASAP
It's morally irresponsible to not to disclose.. .this guy let's just try to defend himself the whole time
Andrew: so you have hiv?
Alex: yeah
Andrew: that’s cool
i wonder how many lives this guy ruined just by not disclosing his condition
I watched this almost immediately after it was posted, and felt triggered, so I decided to sit on my thoughts for a few days. 1) If you are HIV+, you are obligated - LEGALLY, to disclose your status to a sex partner. It is also a moral obligation, and anyone who disagrees is delusional, or simply evil. There is NO prancing around this obligation. EVER. This guy mentions people being a 'douchebag' several times. He needs to look in a damn mirror. Knowingly infecting a partner is murder. Period. End of discussion.
it's like go shopping when you are corona positive, and it's their fault for coming close to you and not asking you. if you are the one who can put someone life in danger, you should let the other person know so they can take precaution and use proper protection.
This guy needs to be locked up
You could have changed the title to "Chatting with a gay person" and context would still be the same.
Why is youtube hiding your videos?
That's like an Uber driver not telling you he's drunk because he has airbags in car... like wtf?
I understand that the reaction to disclosure might be harsh, or even dangerous, but surely that's a better result than giving someone HIV (even if the risk of that is low)
19:20 is the moment the whole interview becomes hard to watch. Such an easy question to agree with, such a bad answer.
To all the people saying it's reckless to not disclose, be aware that the chance to get HIV from a person who is on medication is 0%. Therefore it's safer to have sex with a medicated hiv positive person than with someone who gets tested once a year.
Edit: Totally forgot that people on meds have to go to a check up once every three months where they get tested for every STI. So...
That's what I was thinking
I would be mad if someone told me after even if he's on medication... but logically you're right, if he knows he can't 100% give me hiv it's like he doesn't even have it. Mixed feelings about this...
@@Screaming-dy4gt I get that. I was really glad my bf told me before our first time having sex even though there was no risk. He was so afraid I would reject him he almost cried.
I am like a chronic overthinker everytime I hear the slightest bit about an illness or disease I immediately think I have it wish I hadn't watched this xD
He lost me when he started talking about how a person shouldn’t be blamed for giving someone HIV (especially when he mentions Not telling his sexual partners about having it). I mean he literally said he wants to move away from the word “responsibility” lol yikes
In some countries you can get a criminal record if you hook up with a person knowing about your status, but not disclosing it to your partner.
You should have an infectious disease doc on to follow this up. Respect to this guy for doing this and I don't want to sound insensitive toward him but there are quite a few inaccuracies here that may be damaging to someone else. AIDS (Acquired ImmunoDeficiency Syndrome) is also not a subjective relic from the 80's. It's an attempt to objectively classify the condition that occurs when you no longer have a functioning immune system due to HIV. There are other similar syndromes that can occur due to inherited disorders (SCID, CVID, etc.) and the idea is to identify these "syndromes" in order to help guide treatment. E.g. there are anti-viral treatments to prevent HIV from taking over and then there are other treatments (think vaccines and antibiotics) that will be required when you no longer have an immune system to prevent progression of other diseases (like pneumonia) which can also be deadly or disabling.
The way he talks grosses me out
This guys talking to Andrew like he’s 13
Yeah, i know, Andrew is 14.
It's feels like he constructed these morals in the 80s and 90s, when publicly disclosing HIV positive status was social suicide. He should really question whether this approach of 'mutual risk overrides personal responsiblity' is still ethical in the 2020s.
On the other hand, if someone is diligent with taking their medication then I can see why they would choose to not disclose. They know they aren't infectious, so their HIV status is just a chronic disease to them like diabetes, epilepsy or ADHD. Would anyone feel obligated to disclose any non-infectious chronic conditions? This is a difficult topic.
my gaydar needed 0.1 seconds to be sure
With Andrew your talking about?
Very educational
" I'm not sure , I'm hiv positive " - Eric Cartman
A lot of people in the comments are arguing that it's selfish to not tell the partner about having HIV. I understand that point of view, but i think it would be more valuable to see other people specifically in the LGBTQ+ community also respond to that. Alex's view of communication being needed in both parties definitely is a challenging topic.
Whilst I disagree on disclosure at least generally, he has brought up very good points and perspectives that have made me rethink things.
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get rid of the word responsible? lets not do that
You have to think about the other person. It’s about stopping this virus once and for all. It’s your responsibility and their right to know if you have HIV.
americans love the gray area to change what is obvious