For those interested in this topic, another interesting site that is barely known about, is the Kaingaroa Rock Carvings - ua-cam.com/video/iddMQlgFBzQ/v-deo.html
Hey thanks for the cool video. That wall is biological. I haven't studied enough yet with Rodger at mudfossil university channel. He could tell you correctly what that it, either tissue, muscle, etc. Granite ain't what you think it is. Saltwater flooded remains dont breakdown as expected, and form gold and precious gems inside, giving motive for the massive deception, imo. Tyson's mudfossil adventures has a video where he walks inside a vein or artery. Check it out. Be prepared tho, you can't unsee the truth in plain sight, once you know what you're looking at. Peace out.
Righto - just look up Redheads on YT, and you'll find the Skeletons in the Cupboard doco, and there's a whole bunch after that which I haven't seen yet - which is what ima bout to do! !! Chur!
Bebe you been there? I have, unfortunately when you look around the back of it, it starts to look more and more natural rather than manmade. I might have some pics and vids from my time investigating it. It's nice to be able to see these things for yourself to make your own judgement. Unfortunately, excavations are banned which is the only suspicious thing to me.
Throughout Polynesia prehistoric features lay unexplained, Haʻamonga ʻa Maui, is a stone trilithon located in Tonga. Cut and transported from the reef… of another Island?! Samoa, Rapanui Moai etc why not in NZ?
@@zaceriwata actually there's a couple explanations. 1) is the traditional explanation which has been around for centuries and millennia. 2) is the modern explanation that foreigners impose, supposedly backed by science.
@@samos343guiltyspark These rocks are like the ones in Giza Great Pyramids and Peru stone walls, they are originally natural irregular shaped rocks, then they were processed!!! The fronts and the cuts are definitely processed.
New Zealand used to be much larger. As soon as I put this in a book surprise surprise! Geologists knew about it well before I discovered it. There are walls to the very west of what was New Zealand. I worked with someone in Australia who was half Greek and half Australian Aboriginal. I have also worked with with native New Zealanders. He looks just like them. He gets asked that all the time. Many of the tattoos used in New Zealand and other things are very similar to ones found in Ancient Greece.
Kia Ora bro. I am from Waihaha and Waipoua. We are the remnants of the nation of Waitaha. The structures you are looking at, are from Mu. The civilization that existed from around 60,000 years ago, until the times of the destruction of Atlantis. Mu used to stretch from NZ, up through the Pacific to Asia, across Australia towards Madagascar and up towards India
May I contact you to discuss your info? I’m a mama in NZ n I have an unexplainable connection n fascination with this culture and I need to find out more x
The wall is around 330,000 years old or older according to the census amongst experts. It is man made, I agree. The wall is made of rhinestone. The nearest natural accuring Rhinestone is roughly 14-16kms away.
@@MoonOfMyLife Don't won't to sound to crazy, lol. Humans are apparently about 200-250,000 years old, the wall is about 330,000 years old. Experts from around the world came here in the 90s and determined it was man made or constructed by someone. The Wall extends down 3meters deep as discovered using laser scanning technology, it also has flat edges at a depth of 3 meters and the people who did the scanning said it's shaped like a pyramid. God bless you, hope you find what you are looking for.
@@carmelopai4833 A brand new addition to the thread...two years ago, I'm reading your notes and falling for you all over again. You know, even if we can't find the place the journey of exploring is well worth the risk, time could never be wasted searching for truth, looking for clues...
Im a tuhoe te iwi living in Norway .Lets rather get rid of current vegetation,and get some experts in from the tor heierdahl foundation of archiology in oslo Norway.
I read about it in the newspaper some years ago and became highly motivated to go see it for myself. As John writes, opinion is divided - some say it is a natural formation (it is true that nature can throw up quite symmetrical rock formations at times) or otherwise a man-made megalithic structure. If it is the latter then it changes New Zealand's history. Officially NZ was uninhabited since time began until about 1350 AD at the earliest. But if this "wall" is man-made then it would have been constructed much earlier as the debris on top of it was thrown out by a massive volcanic eruption 1,800 years ago.
I think traditional archaeologists like to keep these things in the background because it does not support there beliefs on the history of civilization.
I'm more inclined to think it was built before the Oruanui eruption 26500 yrs ago , this coincides with Lumeria disappearing into the pacific around that time . The Oruanui eruption of the Taupo Volcano was the world's largest known eruption in the past 70,000 years .It occurred around 26,500 years ago and generated approximately 430 km³ of pyroclastic fall deposits, 320 km³ of pyroclastic density current (PDC) deposits (mostly ignimbrite) and 420 km³ of primary intracaldera material, equivalent to 530 km³ of magma. Modern Lake Taupo partly fills the caldera generated during this eruption. Tephra from the eruption covered much of the central North Island with ignimbrite up to 200 metres deep. Most of New Zealand was affected by ash fall, with even an 18 cm ash layer left on the Chatham Islands, 1,000 km away. Later erosion and sedimentation had long-lasting effects on the landscape, and caused the Waikato River to shift from the Hauraki Plains to its current course through the Waikato to the Tasman Sea.
The site is ancient and connected to all the others around the world. Before the tower of Babel, we communicated telepathically and this is why hieroglyphics are pictorial. The pyramids were used like the Internet, where we would communicate globally, using telepathic means. The confounding of language, as told in the Bible, was the origins of the spoken language. Thoth taught us how to read and write with Letters and Numbers. The diaspora that resulted, is the origins of the different dialects, that evolved in isolation of each other but were all based on the same light language, which is why Hebrew, Hawaiian, Samoan etc. are similar. The followers of Marduk, were using the pyramids to ascend and gain the knowledge of the Gods...the Gods who usurped the worship of the true elemental creators. The fake God that took the name YHWH, wanted us to mine Gold for them and ascension was a distraction from this. So it destroyed the tower, so they wouldn't be able to communicate with the other cities and the larger worldwide community. The remnants of the Nephilim were elite white rulers and they became the elite rulers of today. Their offspring had blonde hair and blue eyes, were bigger and obviously different to us. We took them for God's, but they were just more advanced and bigger.
Actually nothing in any of the papers state that NZ was uninhabited prior to 1350AD, all they say is that they had not found sufficient enough evidence to support prior habitation. But that's not the same as saying that there was without a doubt nobody here. Personally I subscribe to Maori tradition about the lands history, Maori have always stated Maori were always here in NZ, just not the same population of Maori, the Modern population of Maori were refugees coming from the sunken islands of Avaiki. And the Maori who were already in NZ welcomed them and took them in.
went up there today and found a different wall facing south. 5mins digging found a symbol cut into rock face that was flat and stacked next to another stone the same way as the wall. not the one 10mtrs away attached to main part this is another wall across the road and up the hill. I'm going back to uncover more soon
John Mills yip but it was late in day by time I found it and phone was not picking it up well. I'm going back next wed or Friday morning with my boy and having a proper dig and get better photos and some video. it was crazy finding it. at 1st I thought na probably just a rock but literally 5mins scratching with a stick I found the symbol. so far I've looked for maybe 30mins for similar symbols and closest so far are viking rune stones but not a exact match but more digging may reveal more to study. I'll cut a decent track to it so others can find it in the future.
The Kaimanawa Wall is very similar in structure to a lot of south American structure, like I've seen in Peru for instance, enormous stones fitted together with laser like precision that are hundreds of years old, with the right amount of digging into history, you can find the link between Peru & New Zealand, which makes me think, if amateurs such as us can find this information with some work, what do the specialists in the field know? I would love to pick the brains of an expert on the matter, if only for my own education and curiosity. I've also heard some stories that could never be confirmed out of the defense forces about unexplained phenomena in the kaimanawa forest. Has anyone else heard this???
+Matt McNelis Yes it does seem similar to structures in Cuzco, Peru. Also, the stone blocks remind me of the ahu (temple foundations) that I saw on Easter Island, particularly at the site of Vinapu. I've posted pictures here - medium.com/@John_mills/the-mysterious-kaimanawa-wall-70390ce176b2?source=linkShare-503f276ee015-1502702439. Thor Heyerdahl, the famous Norwegian adventurer & ethnographer was convinced there was a link between South America and Polynesia which contradicts the mainstream view.
I spent some time in Cuzco last year, and my first thought was the similarities between stonework, it's no coincidence. The Maori were all about wood structure rather than stone, one thing that was mentioned on another video I watched on the wall, was a Waitaha elder acknowledging it's existence and that it predates them significantly. I know they have a spoken history, hopefully any information pertaining to pre Maori Nz won't be lost.
Matt McNelis to start with Maori was a mythical race pakeha had invented,by saying we paddled here from islands like Tahiti (Tahitians)Rarotonga (Tongans) n other islands n calling our whanaunga by different names (Tahitians)(Tongans)(Samoans) n such gives u a ruff time of when this confusion started
This is because Thoth took us to South America, prior to the end of Atlantis. The Hopi have the stories of those who didn't want to fight, leaving in spacecraft and the rest of the warring ones, had to make their way, by boat. This is why there have been red haired Giants discovered in South America, prior to the crossing of the bering straight. This is a history that is being suppressed as there were nuclear wars and destruction that most don't want to admit involvement in.
Hey there John. Thanks for this. I could easy know if its a natural formation or not. If I myself go there to vist it. And I will one day. I will follow for more updates for sure. Darren
Have you been? Not sure if they can cut off the road as it lead to a hunting club at the end of Clements Road. Amazing site, gave me shivers. Going back again.
i wish we could fully excavate this site to either confirm it is a "natural rock formation" or an ancient "civilization megalithic structure" censored and gaged on many archaeological discussion forums unfortunately... could be a massive tourist attraction
So... how in the world did you find out about this thing? Is it common knowledge or on an oddities map of some sorts? Most people know about the big tourist attractions, but small gems like this are pretty cool to see (and usually more interesting).
+David Good, that's what dads are for 😃 ... to tell you about obscure things that most people don't know about. Like me, he has an interest in ancient history, of which New Zealand has none... or perhaps... it does??? I'm not sure how he learned of it, but he visited some years ago and then I accompanied him on his second trip there in 2004. There are a few more interesting stone objects around the country that seem like they could be man-made that I'd like to investigate in the future.
There's a two part documentary on u tube - I think Red Headed Maori is at least part of the title. Worth a gander - its quite a few yrs old now, with one or two young-looking researchers of Ancient Aliens fame thrown in (I think the doco's predate AA, so David Childress and the other one - Brian Forrester perhaps - don't seem to have hit the kooky crowd yet! Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the kookies too lol...👽)
@@john_mills_nz Hey John - I commented on ur Welly Protestival video....about true news with comments enabled blah blah. Glad u hearted it, otherwise I may not have drifted here! Nice to see a local exploring these hidden gems. Hope u find and watch the doco's I mentioned above, cos they may inspire u to have a gander at the other secret spots - if one still can of course. Some of our people don't really want this stuff out there, as, in the eyes of many, that would lessen the legitimacy of us being The Natives (even tho the Moriori aren't a secret...🤔)hmmmmm....
@@carmelopai4833 Hi Carmel, there are a few other interesting sites that I have visited and filmed in NZ. Some have unusual art painted on cave walls, chiseled into rocks, etc. I will get around to editing and publishing them sometime, but with two young kids (4 months & 21 months), I unfortunately haven’t been able to allocate time for it. There are some other locations that I’d like to get to, but I’m not sure how to get access/permission to visit them.
John can you please tell me exactly how far down Clements Mill Road it is? I tried to see it today on my way through Taupo but could not find it. Cheers
Megan Chamberlain The wall is located on the left side as you drive in Clements mMill Rd. it is about 100 meters before Clements Clearing campsite. So If you see the campsite, you've gone too far. It is not obviously signposted (perhaps intentionally) but there is a small DoC sign stating that the rock is a natural formation and that digging on the site is forbidden.
geez. those are huge blocks and those line are similar to those in machu pichu, H blocks in south america and among others. these are defintey man made with ancient technology
The ""stone" is organic in origin. At some stage they must, like the ones in Peru, been of a softer consistency and easily shaped. They are made up of "mudfossil" conglomerates of creatures and beings, which can be simply verified with *hyperspectral image capturing* cameras. Some of the stones, as in other parts of the world, are covered in *sigils* . !!!
I visited an Olmec ruin in central America recently the on-site guide was telling me that they now think the Olmec were the same as the aboriginal people of Australia no bones have been found yet but the facial features of the basalt rock head carvings are the same 1000s of years before the Mayans. The Mayans built over most of the ancient Olmec cities....they only just found out that the famous Mayan calendar is actually Olmec.
Please take pictures of anything you discover digging. Log it and keep all you find cataloged because there are some people who will try and destroy it to keep things secret. Basically what this site is, is a giant Pyramid. Someone needs to go there and chop all those trees down, dig up the roots, and unearth the pyramid.
The government sent in their archaeologists who declared it a natural formation. This isn't unknown, its suppressed. Just like all knowledge of our ancient people's. They know and so do certain iwi. I was told the stories by my elders, AFTER I researched this subject for 10 years, independently without knowing any of my whanau. I was raised by my English/Irish mother. After they heard my journey and why I am on this path, they made me Kaitiaki. This is why I respectfully ask that people don't go digging around. I am in the process of documenting the whole story, from Tane separating Rangi and Papa, or the destruction of Tiamat which caused the asteroid belt or Rangi nui or heavens and Earth or Papatuanuku. I understand the history and why Waihaha means "the tail end of exploding planets, where the ancients came to bathe their young". This will all be revealed but it won't help to have outsiders with no knowledge, coming in and dating stones when some of us already know. It will just confuse the narrative and bring bad karma for you. Just a friendly reminder
@@RifullOfTheWest I respect your perspective and won't debate with you. If you feel that you are entitled to follow Jesus, that's upto you. I hope he brings some back up for you though cos some of my more recent tipuna, liked to eat people and I see them as shadow beings. You can go ahead and knock yourself out homie. Chur
@@kaaronmackie208 Jesus will return very very soon, sooner than you think, and by then it will be too late for you. God sacrificed Himself for your sins on the cross so you would live for forever.
Super interesting. I am going back to here next year with my brother. I would love to see some kind of excavation of the site. even a minor effort. I don't understand the resistance to excavate it, if it is a natural formation then there is ZERO harm in doing so. Wasting resources and time is not an excuse as there would be plenty of people what would put up their hands to help. One of my friends works for DOC and he said its absolutely shameless that they will not do it. Apparently there is more to the wall off to the left and some kind of carvings near it too there is another video on youtube were you can see all of this here - ua-cam.com/video/fCC2_v--8cI/v-deo.html Also other videos were people have dug down and there is more flat surfaces under the ground in front of it, I'm sure you have seen those ones. I honestly don't know what to think but all the pictures of ignimbrite outcrops I can find look nothing like this, esp when it comes to the layers it has behind it, this video is one of the only ones I can find that has good footage of what's inside it off to the right hand side. I have also complied side by side pictures of megalithic walls from Baalbek, Easter Island and Peru and put them next to pictures of the Kaimanawa wall and showed them to people asking them what they think just to try get a completely unadulterated, unbias opinion to gauge their initial impressions, a few people have said "its the same wall just older" and others have said they look very similar, out of all the people I showed none of them said they look different. I've showed a good friend who is a chemical scientist, a structural engineer from the middle east, A builder for DOC and an environmental scientist. I don't believe in aliens or magic or any of that nonsense I just want facts and some more investigation into the site
DOC are they ones halting this. Lidiar results squashed until 2063? TV3 interview with a Neville Ritchie from DOC describing the wall to be Ignimbrite and not Rhyolite, false. To much at stake for government, media. Lots of $$$ for Netflix!
If someone can provide a serious reason for an excavation, maybe we'd get one. So far, there have been 0 logical reasons to dig up this admittedly cool, rock formation.
natural, i have seen similar rock walls around the back blocks of Ohakune, raetihi towards the Whanganui river, my father cut native bush for 20 odd years around central Plateau, i remember as a kid 2 unfinished waka were found by another gang in the same area a few kms from the river.
Correct Carl. The scientific conclusions of the Department of Conservation etc. investigations into the Kaimanawa Wall are clear and unambiguous. What you are seeing is a small part of a larger ignimbrite outcrop. Approximate age 330,000 years ago. The science/geology says it’s neither a megalith or a wall.
Hope they have more people do some drone footage in 2023. Maybe some 1 can talk netflix into a movie or series for the excavation. Would solve some of the funding. Would be cool af if it was a pyramid 😆
If you have seen how nature produces, with extraordinary uniformity the hexagonal volcanic extrusions, there is probably an explanation for this feature which is entirely natural.
Where did I say it was basalt? The devils stairway may be basalt, I don't know. At a glance the kaimanawa feature could be ignimbrite? My point was if something as complex yet very uniform can be produced, as the Giants Causeway in Northern Ireland it is very conceivable that something as simple as the kaimanawa feature could easily be entirely natural.
@@vgs147 Where did I mention basalt? The devils stairway may be basalt, I don't know, but at a glance the kaimanawa feature looks like ignimbrite? My point was that the Giants Causeway in Antrim, is it, is exceptionally regular and quite complex but entirely natural, it is quite likely something as simple as the kaimanawa feature is also entirely natural.
The answer to everybody's questions are that there are human remains in there, they are like graves most people were buried in the trees these are tombs, be respectful
Agreed. If you aren't from there and don't understand the history, you're actually disturbing my ancestors and it can be taken as a sign of disrespect. We are the nation of Waitaha. The peoples who existed here, prior to the warring peoples of the Pacific showing up and committing genocide. I'm in the process of having our history documented and then I'm going to show the world, what mainstream archaeology and science is hiding. There was a peaceful, multicultural society that existed here. We were the peaceful peoples of Atlantis and Mu who left for the mountains of Turkey Tibet and Peru, prior to the flood. We met up here later and lived in peace. The mainstream don't want to admit that war is not human nature and this narrative, PROVES IT! The local Iwi don't speak of it because it makes us look like hypocrits for wanting reparation when we did the same thing. There were those who were taken as slaves and the knowledge passed on by the Kuia at night, when nobody could stop them. I am Kaitiaki of Waihaha and Waipoua and as such, they can't stop me from telling our truth. Please don't walk around playing amateur archaeologists though. This is NOT your place Kia ora
@@kaaronmackie208 I'd be hugely grateful to hear your history, even in the time I've lived in NZ (30y) the official narrative of history has been changed, trimmed and edited multiple times
Have you ever wondered why all these sites are usually in national parks/forests? :)) Do you think it's a coincidence or do you think the governments made these site as such :))... Also, whoever is reading this; you should really research how the volcanic lava solidifies in reality, What different shapes it can assume... stir clear of the so colled geologists and similar "experts" paid by the institutions.
@@bztrd80 dude geologists are scientists. they love the science and accuracy. they are all about making discoveries and getting it right, especially if other people have it wrong. do you know any scientists?
Pakeha confused themselves when they invented a whole new mythical aristocracy n called my ppl Maori mean while them say we paddled here from Tahiti,Raiatea,Rarotonga,n other islands,why then were those left n Tahiti called tahitions,n not Maori???why were those left n Tonga,called Tongans n not Maori,once u find these answers then the pathway will be clear
This is a fact alot of people miss. Maori as a collective group of people was given by pakeha. Most occupants living in Nz at the time. Identified in tribes not as one group. That is why Waitaha and moriori all these people are linked but not from the same origin.
If it is a man made wall it would actually strengthen maori rights to the land. It would prove earlier human settlement then the narrative. But you couldn't prove that it wasn't constructed by maori. Because maori arrival is based on carbondating. And carbondating is only accurate when your carbondating the earliest material.
It's a natural rock formation. The folks with the other videos have Pareidolia or worse. Basically just the same as the "pyramids" in Bosnia. Example of weathered and jointed ignimbrite, Grind of the Navir, Shetland gigapan.com/gigapans/195437
looks nothing like it what are u on about I just searched "weathered and jointed ignimbrite" and can't find anything that looks like the Kaimanawa "wall" the "Wall" is clearly a few layers deep, if u had been there you would know this
it's not a natural formation lol it is man made always has but of course we can't go saying that since academia would have to make a history change can't be having that so many damn lies Can't be making assumptions that perhaps it is extremely old and the history books have to change
What a load of crap. This is a natural rock formation. There are hundreds of these that can be found just hiking the trails of the Tararua Ranges north of Wellington. I've seen many during my years of tramping the Tararua tracks. This does not make me waiver from the fact that someone was here before the Maori but this piece of rock about 1.5 to 2m wide is 100% natural. The splitting or fissures are totally natural. And the reason it's not been destroyed is that the 'ancient structure' is a money-making con by the tourism industry of NZ.
For those interested in this topic, another interesting site that is barely known about, is the Kaingaroa Rock Carvings - ua-cam.com/video/iddMQlgFBzQ/v-deo.html
Hey thanks for the cool video. That wall is biological. I haven't studied enough yet with Rodger at mudfossil university channel. He could tell you correctly what that it, either tissue, muscle, etc. Granite ain't what you think it is. Saltwater flooded remains dont breakdown as expected, and form gold and precious gems inside, giving motive for the massive deception, imo.
Tyson's mudfossil adventures has a video where he walks inside a vein or artery. Check it out. Be prepared tho, you can't unsee the truth in plain sight, once you know what you're looking at. Peace out.
Righto - just look up Redheads on YT, and you'll find the Skeletons in the Cupboard doco, and there's a whole bunch after that which I haven't seen yet - which is what ima bout to do! !! Chur!
Google, ‘natural rock formations that look man made’.
Cheers John ✌
You've done some great work here.
And if nothing else, You've got people thinking 😉
(I'd be keen if there ever was a next time 🤣👍)
@@carmelopai4833 Interesting as
I've watched a few videos about this mysterious site and I'm compelled to say this looks man made to me. I'm your 200th subscriber!
Bebe you been there? I have, unfortunately when you look around the back of it, it starts to look more and more natural rather than manmade.
I might have some pics and vids from my time investigating it. It's nice to be able to see these things for yourself to make your own judgement.
Unfortunately, excavations are banned which is the only suspicious thing to me.
Throughout Polynesia prehistoric features lay unexplained, Haʻamonga ʻa Maui, is a stone trilithon located in Tonga.
Cut and transported from the reef…
of another Island?!
Samoa, Rapanui Moai etc why not in NZ?
@@zaceriwata actually there's a couple explanations.
1) is the traditional explanation which has been around for centuries and millennia.
2) is the modern explanation that foreigners impose, supposedly backed by science.
@@samos343guiltyspark
These rocks are like the ones in Giza Great Pyramids and Peru stone walls, they are originally natural irregular shaped rocks, then they were processed!!! The fronts and the cuts are definitely processed.
Would be an interesting place to do a LIDAR scan .
It's been done many times
@@ihimaera7424 i cant find any information for it have being done? mostly because it will prove their were other people in NZ first
@@V8ToYy it would prove archeologists and historians were wrong all along and maori have been here longer then they initially want people to believe.
@@ihimaera7424 you gotta remember there were people there before Maori
New Zealand used to be much larger. As soon as I put this in a book surprise surprise! Geologists knew about it well before I discovered it. There are walls to the very west of what was New Zealand. I worked with someone in Australia who was half Greek and half Australian Aboriginal. I have also worked with with native New Zealanders. He looks just like them. He gets asked that all the time. Many of the tattoos used in New Zealand and other things are very similar to ones found in Ancient Greece.
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Kia Ora bro. I am from Waihaha and Waipoua. We are the remnants of the nation of Waitaha.
The structures you are looking at, are from Mu. The civilization that existed from around 60,000 years ago, until the times of the destruction of Atlantis. Mu used to stretch from NZ, up through the Pacific to Asia, across Australia towards Madagascar and up towards India
May I contact you to discuss your info? I’m a mama in NZ n I have an unexplainable connection n fascination with this culture and I need to find out more x
The wall is around 330,000 years old or older according to the census amongst experts. It is man made, I agree. The wall is made of rhinestone. The nearest natural accuring Rhinestone is roughly 14-16kms away.
@@MoonOfMyLife Don't won't to sound to crazy, lol. Humans are apparently about 200-250,000 years old, the wall is about 330,000 years old. Experts from around the world came here in the 90s and determined it was man made or constructed by someone. The Wall extends down 3meters deep as discovered using laser scanning technology, it also has flat edges at a depth of 3 meters and the people who did the scanning said it's shaped like a pyramid. God bless you, hope you find what you are looking for.
Noice! I haven't seen this "admission" from any of our other cuzzys.
@@carmelopai4833 A brand new addition to the thread...two years ago, I'm reading your notes and falling for you all over again. You know, even if we can't find the place the journey of exploring is well worth the risk, time could never be wasted searching for truth, looking for clues...
Im a tuhoe te iwi living in Norway .Lets rather get rid of current vegetation,and get some experts in from the tor heierdahl foundation of archiology in oslo Norway.
I read about it in the newspaper some years ago and became highly motivated to go see it for myself. As John writes, opinion is divided - some say it is a natural formation (it is true that nature can throw up quite symmetrical rock formations at times) or otherwise a man-made megalithic structure. If it is the latter then it changes New Zealand's history. Officially NZ was uninhabited since time began until about 1350 AD at the earliest. But if this "wall" is man-made then it would have been constructed much earlier as the debris on top of it was thrown out by a massive volcanic eruption 1,800 years ago.
I think traditional archaeologists like to keep these things in the background because it does not support there beliefs on the history of civilization.
Geoff Mills aahh there was ppl before 1350AD,hu said there wasnt
I'm more inclined to think it was built before the Oruanui eruption 26500 yrs ago , this coincides with Lumeria disappearing into the pacific around that time . The Oruanui eruption of the Taupo Volcano was the world's largest known eruption in the past 70,000 years .It occurred around 26,500 years ago and generated approximately 430 km³ of pyroclastic fall deposits, 320 km³ of pyroclastic density current (PDC) deposits (mostly ignimbrite) and 420 km³ of primary intracaldera material, equivalent to 530 km³ of magma.
Modern Lake Taupo partly fills the caldera generated during this eruption.
Tephra from the eruption covered much of the central North Island with ignimbrite up to 200 metres deep. Most of New Zealand was affected by ash fall, with even an 18 cm ash layer left on the Chatham Islands, 1,000 km away. Later erosion and sedimentation had long-lasting effects on the landscape, and caused the Waikato River to shift from the Hauraki Plains to its current course through the Waikato to the Tasman Sea.
The site is ancient and connected to all the others around the world.
Before the tower of Babel, we communicated telepathically and this is why hieroglyphics are pictorial. The pyramids were used like the Internet, where we would communicate globally, using telepathic means. The confounding of language, as told in the Bible, was the origins of the spoken language. Thoth taught us how to read and write with Letters and Numbers.
The diaspora that resulted, is the origins of the different dialects, that evolved in isolation of each other but were all based on the same light language, which is why Hebrew, Hawaiian, Samoan etc. are similar.
The followers of Marduk, were using the pyramids to ascend and gain the knowledge of the Gods...the Gods who usurped the worship of the true elemental creators. The fake God that took the name YHWH, wanted us to mine Gold for them and ascension was a distraction from this. So it destroyed the tower, so they wouldn't be able to communicate with the other cities and the larger worldwide community. The remnants of the Nephilim were elite white rulers and they became the elite rulers of today. Their offspring had blonde hair and blue eyes, were bigger and obviously different to us. We took them for God's, but they were just more advanced and bigger.
Actually nothing in any of the papers state that NZ was uninhabited prior to 1350AD, all they say is that they had not found sufficient enough evidence to support prior habitation. But that's not the same as saying that there was without a doubt nobody here.
Personally I subscribe to Maori tradition about the lands history, Maori have always stated Maori were always here in NZ, just not the same population of Maori, the Modern population of Maori were refugees coming from the sunken islands of Avaiki. And the Maori who were already in NZ welcomed them and took them in.
Cool vid. Really good footage of the Wall :) It is an interesting formation :)
Psst: Not a wall.
This is a natural fault scarp.
The Kaikoura earthquake created dozens of them, and they look just the same.
There is no LAHT.
went up there today and found a different wall facing south. 5mins digging found a symbol cut into rock face that was flat and stacked next to another stone the same way as the wall. not the one 10mtrs away attached to main part this is another wall across the road and up the hill. I'm going back to uncover more soon
+Bro Tang that's very interesting. Any pictures or video?
John Mills yip but it was late in day by time I found it and phone was not picking it up well. I'm going back next wed or Friday morning with my boy and having a proper dig and get better photos and some video. it was crazy finding it. at 1st I thought na probably just a rock but literally 5mins scratching with a stick I found the symbol. so far I've looked for maybe 30mins for similar symbols and closest so far are viking rune stones but not a exact match but more digging may reveal more to study. I'll cut a decent track to it so others can find it in the future.
John Mills my emails Brotang1984@windowslive.com I don't know how to email you but I'll send ta what I've got.
I can email them lol, I meant I don't know how to email you over you tube. email me and I'll send the photos I got
+Bro Tang cool! I'll keep an eye out for them next time I visit them.
The Kaimanawa Wall is very similar in structure to a lot of south American structure, like I've seen in Peru for instance, enormous stones fitted together with laser like precision that are hundreds of years old, with the right amount of digging into history, you can find the link between Peru & New Zealand, which makes me think, if amateurs such as us can find this information with some work, what do the specialists in the field know?
I would love to pick the brains of an expert on the matter, if only for my own education and curiosity.
I've also heard some stories that could never be confirmed out of the defense forces about unexplained phenomena in the kaimanawa forest.
Has anyone else heard this???
+Matt McNelis Yes it does seem similar to structures in Cuzco, Peru. Also, the stone blocks remind me of the ahu (temple foundations) that I saw on Easter Island, particularly at the site of Vinapu. I've posted pictures here - medium.com/@John_mills/the-mysterious-kaimanawa-wall-70390ce176b2?source=linkShare-503f276ee015-1502702439. Thor Heyerdahl, the famous Norwegian adventurer & ethnographer was convinced there was a link between South America and Polynesia which contradicts the mainstream view.
I spent some time in Cuzco last year, and my first thought was the similarities between stonework, it's no coincidence.
The Maori were all about wood structure rather than stone, one thing that was mentioned on another video I watched on the wall, was a Waitaha elder acknowledging it's existence and that it predates them significantly.
I know they have a spoken history, hopefully any information pertaining to pre Maori Nz won't be lost.
Matt McNelis to start with Maori was a mythical race pakeha had invented,by saying we paddled here from islands like Tahiti (Tahitians)Rarotonga (Tongans) n other islands n calling our whanaunga by different names (Tahitians)(Tongans)(Samoans) n such gives u a ruff time of when this confusion started
Just read your post - agree. Similar to Sacsayhuaman in South America
This is because Thoth took us to South America, prior to the end of Atlantis. The Hopi have the stories of those who didn't want to fight, leaving in spacecraft and the rest of the warring ones, had to make their way, by boat. This is why there have been red haired Giants discovered in South America, prior to the crossing of the bering straight.
This is a history that is being suppressed as there were nuclear wars and destruction that most don't want to admit involvement in.
Hey there John. Thanks for this. I could easy know if its a natural formation or not. If I myself go there to vist it. And I will one day. I will follow for more updates for sure. Darren
Have you been? Not sure if they can cut off the road as it lead to a hunting club at the end of Clements Road. Amazing site, gave me shivers. Going back again.
@@stephenhoward7454 I can just ımagine. Hey thanks for your comment Stephen. Take care
@@NewZealandCulturalArt Approx. 12km on the left along on a toe, Clements Rd. Is exposed and seen from a car, parking opposite is easy.
i wish we could fully excavate this site to either confirm it is a "natural rock formation" or an ancient "civilization megalithic structure" censored and gaged on many archaeological discussion forums unfortunately... could be a massive tourist attraction
Geopolymer blocks ?
Looks similar to the wall on Easter Island
So... how in the world did you find out about this thing? Is it common knowledge or on an oddities map of some sorts? Most people know about the big tourist attractions, but small gems like this are pretty cool to see (and usually more interesting).
+David Good, that's what dads are for 😃 ... to tell you about obscure things that most people don't know about. Like me, he has an interest in ancient history, of which New Zealand has none... or perhaps... it does??? I'm not sure how he learned of it, but he visited some years ago and then I accompanied him on his second trip there in 2004. There are a few more interesting stone objects around the country that seem like they could be man-made that I'd like to investigate in the future.
There's a two part documentary on u tube - I think Red Headed Maori is at least part of the title. Worth a gander - its quite a few yrs old now, with one or two young-looking researchers of Ancient Aliens fame thrown in (I think the doco's predate AA, so David Childress and the other one - Brian Forrester perhaps - don't seem to have hit the kooky crowd yet! Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the kookies too lol...👽)
@@john_mills_nz Hey John - I commented on ur Welly Protestival video....about true news with comments enabled blah blah. Glad u hearted it, otherwise I may not have drifted here! Nice to see a local exploring these hidden gems. Hope u find and watch the doco's I mentioned above, cos they may inspire u to have a gander at the other secret spots - if one still can of course. Some of our people don't really want this stuff out there, as, in the eyes of many, that would lessen the legitimacy of us being The Natives (even tho the Moriori aren't a secret...🤔)hmmmmm....
Redheads - skeletons in the closet
1st part on YT, and more thereafter. Interesting!!!
@@carmelopai4833 Hi Carmel, there are a few other interesting sites that I have visited and filmed in NZ. Some have unusual art painted on cave walls, chiseled into rocks, etc. I will get around to editing and publishing them sometime, but with two young kids (4 months & 21 months), I unfortunately haven’t been able to allocate time for it. There are some other locations that I’d like to get to, but I’m not sure how to get access/permission to visit them.
Oh wow this is incredible!
John can you please tell me exactly how far down Clements Mill Road it is? I tried to see it today on my way through Taupo but could not find it. Cheers
Megan Chamberlain The wall is located on the left side as you drive in Clements mMill Rd. it is about 100 meters before Clements Clearing campsite. So If you see the campsite, you've gone too far. It is not obviously signposted (perhaps intentionally) but there is a small DoC sign stating that the rock is a natural formation and that digging on the site is forbidden.
Yes, that is good directions 👍🏽
The wall appears to be manufactured by the same / similar techniques used @ Sacsayhuaman
The resistance has begun. We will dig this structure up if it takes 1000 trips in the dead of night!
geez. those are huge blocks and those line are similar to those in machu pichu, H blocks in south america and among others. these are defintey man made with ancient technology
Is this when the continent of zealndia was above water
can someone just scan the whole area with some type of ground penetrating radar and put an end to this "myth"...
The ""stone" is organic in origin. At some stage they must, like the ones in Peru, been of a softer consistency and easily shaped.
They are made up of "mudfossil" conglomerates of creatures and beings, which can be simply verified with *hyperspectral image capturing* cameras. Some of the stones, as in other parts of the world, are covered in *sigils* . !!!
I visited an Olmec ruin in central America recently the on-site guide was telling me that they now think the Olmec were the same as the aboriginal people of Australia no bones have been found yet but the facial features of the basalt rock head carvings are the same 1000s of years before the Mayans. The Mayans built over most of the ancient Olmec cities....they only just found out that the famous Mayan calendar is actually Olmec.
Please take pictures of anything you discover digging. Log it and keep all you find cataloged because there are some people who will try and destroy it to keep things secret. Basically what this site is, is a giant Pyramid. Someone needs to go there and chop all those trees down, dig up the roots, and unearth the pyramid.
lol
The government sent in their archaeologists who declared it a natural formation. This isn't unknown, its suppressed. Just like all knowledge of our ancient people's. They know and so do certain iwi. I was told the stories by my elders, AFTER I researched this subject for 10 years, independently without knowing any of my whanau. I was raised by my English/Irish mother.
After they heard my journey and why I am on this path, they made me Kaitiaki. This is why I respectfully ask that people don't go digging around.
I am in the process of documenting the whole story, from Tane separating Rangi and Papa, or the destruction of Tiamat which caused the asteroid belt or Rangi nui or heavens and Earth or Papatuanuku.
I understand the history and why Waihaha means "the tail end of exploding planets, where the ancients came to bathe their young".
This will all be revealed but it won't help to have outsiders with no knowledge, coming in and dating stones when some of us already know. It will just confuse the narrative and bring bad karma for you. Just a friendly reminder
@@kaaronmackie208 There is no such thing as Karma, Jesus Christ is the God of this universe, and sits on the Judgement Seat. He controls what happens.
@@RifullOfTheWest I respect your perspective and won't debate with you. If you feel that you are entitled to follow Jesus, that's upto you. I hope he brings some back up for you though cos some of my more recent tipuna, liked to eat people and I see them as shadow beings. You can go ahead and knock yourself out homie. Chur
@@kaaronmackie208 Jesus will return very very soon, sooner than you think, and by then it will be too late for you. God sacrificed Himself for your sins on the cross so you would live for forever.
Super interesting. I am going back to here next year with my brother. I would love to see some kind of excavation of the site. even a minor effort. I don't understand the resistance to excavate it, if it is a natural formation then there is ZERO harm in doing so. Wasting resources and time is not an excuse as there would be plenty of people what would put up their hands to help. One of my friends works for DOC and he said its absolutely shameless that they will not do it. Apparently there is more to the wall off to the left and some kind of carvings near it too there is another video on youtube were you can see all of this here - ua-cam.com/video/fCC2_v--8cI/v-deo.html Also other videos were people have dug down and there is more flat surfaces under the ground in front of it, I'm sure you have seen those ones. I honestly don't know what to think but all the pictures of ignimbrite outcrops I can find look nothing like this, esp when it comes to the layers it has behind it, this video is one of the only ones I can find that has good footage of what's inside it off to the right hand side. I have also complied side by side pictures of megalithic walls from Baalbek, Easter Island and Peru and put them next to pictures of the Kaimanawa wall and showed them to people asking them what they think just to try get a completely unadulterated, unbias opinion to gauge their initial impressions, a few people have said "its the same wall just older" and others have said they look very similar, out of all the people I showed none of them said they look different. I've showed a good friend who is a chemical scientist, a structural engineer from the middle east, A builder for DOC and an environmental scientist. I don't believe in aliens or magic or any of that nonsense I just want facts and some more investigation into the site
DOC are they ones halting this. Lidiar results squashed until 2063? TV3 interview with a Neville Ritchie from DOC describing the wall to be Ignimbrite and not Rhyolite, false. To much at stake for government, media. Lots of $$$ for Netflix!
Why are they no excavation? How long are we going to stare at it doing nothing?
If someone can provide a serious reason for an excavation, maybe we'd get one. So far, there have been 0 logical reasons to dig up this admittedly cool, rock formation.
natural, i have seen similar rock walls around the back blocks of Ohakune, raetihi towards the Whanganui river, my father cut native bush for 20 odd years around central Plateau, i remember as a kid 2 unfinished waka were found by another gang in the same area a few kms from the river.
Correct Carl. The scientific conclusions of the Department of Conservation etc. investigations into the Kaimanawa Wall are clear and unambiguous. What you are seeing is a small part of a larger ignimbrite outcrop. Approximate age 330,000 years ago. The science/geology says it’s neither a megalith or a wall.
Hope they have more people do some drone footage in 2023. Maybe some 1 can talk netflix into a movie or series for the excavation. Would solve some of the funding. Would be cool af if it was a pyramid 😆
Graham Hancock sequel.
This is part of ancient Lemuria💙
Prove it
*MEGALITHIC STRUCTURE*
Megalitic wall
Ain't the Inca people small people they could be the ones who migrated to nz .
And it's alligned TRUE NORTH👍🇳🇿
90% man made structure ( two separate stones have one common horizontal straight line )
Towel-poe???????
TOE-POOR
If you have seen how nature produces, with extraordinary uniformity the hexagonal volcanic extrusions, there is probably an explanation for this feature which is entirely natural.
So you're saying this is basalt? References?
Where did I say it was basalt? The devils stairway may be basalt, I don't know. At a glance the kaimanawa feature could be ignimbrite? My point was if something as complex yet very uniform can be produced, as the Giants Causeway in Northern Ireland it is very conceivable that something as simple as the kaimanawa feature could easily be entirely natural.
@@vgs147 Where did I mention basalt? The devils stairway may be basalt, I don't know, but at a glance the kaimanawa feature looks like ignimbrite? My point was that the Giants Causeway in Antrim, is it, is exceptionally regular and quite complex but entirely natural, it is quite likely something as simple as the kaimanawa feature is also entirely natural.
It is part of a structure built for practicing ram raids and was built by the Ngati Chur.
@@ourpeople-g7r Your comment needs to be the headline of every newspaper in the country, You have made my day, thank you.
2:14, 2:27, 2:45
Seems to me that's just the tip of the Iceberg...Earth Soul Blues RocknRoll...
These walls where built by the Annunakis as per Zetas
Let’s uncover these rocks,but they want this place preserved,why,so the mystery will continue,nothing like making money keep it going.
The answer to everybody's questions are that there are human remains in there, they are like graves most people were buried in the trees these are tombs, be respectful
Agreed. If you aren't from there and don't understand the history, you're actually disturbing my ancestors and it can be taken as a sign of disrespect.
We are the nation of Waitaha. The peoples who existed here, prior to the warring peoples of the Pacific showing up and committing genocide. I'm in the process of having our history documented and then I'm going to show the world, what mainstream archaeology and science is hiding. There was a peaceful, multicultural society that existed here. We were the peaceful peoples of Atlantis and Mu who left for the mountains of Turkey Tibet and Peru, prior to the flood.
We met up here later and lived in peace.
The mainstream don't want to admit that war is not human nature and this narrative, PROVES IT!
The local Iwi don't speak of it because it makes us look like hypocrits for wanting reparation when we did the same thing.
There were those who were taken as slaves and the knowledge passed on by the Kuia at night, when nobody could stop them.
I am Kaitiaki of Waihaha and Waipoua and as such, they can't stop me from telling our truth.
Please don't walk around playing amateur archaeologists though. This is NOT your place
Kia ora
@@kaaronmackie208 I'd be hugely grateful to hear your history, even in the time I've lived in NZ (30y) the official narrative of history has been changed, trimmed and edited multiple times
@@kaaronmackie208 Your people were wiped out so how did you survive? I think you are just a fan.
Have you ever wondered why all these sites are usually in national parks/forests? :)) Do you think it's a coincidence or do you think the governments made these site as such :))... Also, whoever is reading this; you should really research how the volcanic lava solidifies in reality, What different shapes it can assume... stir clear of the so colled geologists and similar "experts" paid by the institutions.
when trying to find out how a rock was formed you should steer clear of people who are experts in geology?
@@eeeaten the currupt ones, yes. Pls steer clear of those.
@@bztrd80 the corrupt geologists huh. jeezus what a dreamer.
@@eeeaten who's the dreamer here? U've got no clue of this world.
@@bztrd80 dude geologists are scientists. they love the science and accuracy. they are all about making discoveries and getting it right, especially if other people have it wrong. do you know any scientists?
... lemuria 🌈 ?
No where in the world has lava ever produced this, lava sets l
ike mud flood
natural capstone. with some human modifications
Someone needs to hit it with LIDAR and see if it connects to the natural bedrock.
Pakeha confused themselves when they invented a whole new mythical aristocracy n called my ppl Maori mean while them say we paddled here from Tahiti,Raiatea,Rarotonga,n other islands,why then were those left n Tahiti called tahitions,n not Maori???why were those left n Tonga,called Tongans n not Maori,once u find these answers then the pathway will be clear
the Tahitian meaning of the word Maori means Fair skinned Traveler
This is a fact alot of people miss. Maori as a collective group of people was given by pakeha. Most occupants living in Nz at the time. Identified in tribes not as one group. That is why Waitaha and moriori all these people are linked but not from the same origin.
Ma = White
Ori = Oriental
divide and conquer
Nature does not do straight lines..............................
Slate...
Pyrite...
Me...
If it is a man made wall it would actually strengthen maori rights to the land. It would prove earlier human settlement then the narrative. But you couldn't prove that it wasn't constructed by maori. Because maori arrival is based on carbondating. And carbondating is only accurate when your carbondating the earliest material.
It's a natural rock formation. The folks with the other videos have Pareidolia or worse. Basically just the same as the "pyramids" in Bosnia. Example of weathered and jointed ignimbrite, Grind of the Navir, Shetland gigapan.com/gigapans/195437
looks nothing like it what are u on about I just searched "weathered and jointed ignimbrite" and can't find anything that looks like the Kaimanawa "wall" the "Wall" is clearly a few layers deep, if u had been there you would know this
it's not a natural formation lol it is man made always has but of course we can't go saying that since academia would have to make a history change can't be having that so many damn lies
Can't be making assumptions that perhaps it is extremely old and the history books have to change
What a load of crap. This is a natural rock formation. There are hundreds of these that can be found just hiking the trails of the Tararua Ranges north of Wellington. I've seen many during my years of tramping the Tararua tracks. This does not make me waiver from the fact that someone was here before the Maori but this piece of rock about 1.5 to 2m wide is 100% natural. The splitting or fissures are totally natural. And the reason it's not been destroyed is that the 'ancient structure' is a money-making con by the tourism industry of NZ.
False
Tararua Rangers huh? hmmmm Tara - rua, second Tara? in Scottish the word Tara means A hill where the kings met, things that make you go hmmm....