Bipolarcast Episode 15: Georgia Ede
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
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This is an interview with Harvard-trained, board-certified psychiatrist Dr. Georgia Ede. One of the earliest pioneers of nutritional and metabolic psychiatry and a world leader in bringing ketogenic metabolic therapy to mental health conditions.
Georgia leads the first CME course in ketogenic diet for mental health (including principles of psychiatric medication management). These are live, small-group trainings, and clinicians from all backgrounds are welcomed:
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Look out for Georgia's book arriving in 2023 and her international database of ketogenic metabolic therapy clinicians soon to be announced.
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If you live in Scotland and would like to join a ketogenic diet and bipolar disorder study please see the pilot study Dr. Iain Campbell is working on at Edinburgh University funded by The Baszucki Brain Research Fund:
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If you live in the U.S and would like to join a ketogenic diet and bipolar disorder trial please see Dr. Shebani Sethi Dalai's Baszucki Brain Research Fund trial at Stanford here:
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Podcast hosts Matt and Iain have of 8 years of combined experience using ketogenic metabolic therapy for bipolar disorder and are working to raise awareness about the evidence of benefits of a ketogenic diet for bipolar disorder.
Iain's keto and bipolar blog: www.ketobipolar.com
For more info on ketogenic diet please check out: www.dietdoctor.com
I've put my BD2 in remission without medication for 5 years thanks to this way of eating (I tell my story in episode 11 of BipolarCast). I'm now registered for Dr Ede's course August 2023 and I am so excited to gain her knowlegde so that I can help others on the same path
"We need all mental health practitioners to learn about brain metabolism." Now that's a proclamation!
We've been stuck in the "neurotransmitter imbalance" paradigm for so long. It will certainly be a welcome change to re-introduce these fundamental features of neuronal function to the conversation again!
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Started carnivore 2 months ago with my wife, purely as a way to support her and to make mealtimes easier. She's had fibromyalgia/chronic fatigue 15 years and a few other autoimmune disorders. We've transitioned recently to keto by including avocados and a few very low carb vegetables. I noticed within a few days of starting how clear and stable my brain has become. I'm bipolar type 1 and aspergers. Never been treated as I've worked from home for the past 22 years, being at home most of the time keeps me fairly stable. When I noticed these profound changes in my brain I started looking into why the diet has had this effect. Been amazing to find out it's a thing and that I'm not imagining it.🙂
Fantastic to to hear this Paul! I hope you and your wife continue to have great health. I would love to hear more about your experience if you'd like to get in touch iainhcampbell@gmail.com
Excellent presentation! I am a retired physician board certified in Family Medicine, I've enjoyed several presentations by Dr. Ede. All have been interesting and educationa! I admire her dedication.
Another branch of medicine where the ketogenic diet can be helpful in symptom control is narcolepsy. It’s a devastating disorder. In my six and a half years of eating this way, I’ve personally experienced a 180 degree in symptom control and improvement in overall brain health eating ketogenically. It’s not something my personal sleep med doctors are interested in discussing but I hope one day this becomes mainstream bc it is truly life changing.
Thank you all for putting this information out for the public to hear.
It's always great hearing Georgia speak. A true pioneer 🥰👏💜
Agreed!
Yay!! I cannot wait to take Dr. Ede’s Keto for Mental Health Clinicians course in January! It’s a big splurge, but she and her expertise are totally worth it.❤
Totally agree, a great decision! Looking forward to speaking soon on the podcast :)
@@ketobipolar After watching every episode, I'm beyond honored to participate in this amazing series!
Looking forward to having you in the course, Dyane!
@@dyaneharwood2023 you’ll love the course and it’s well worth the $
2023: correct, we can't wait for trials. Those of us out here in the wild with shrinks not sure or unwilling to learn, must take matters into our own hands. LEARN / GO SLOW / TRANSITION / FIND HUMAN SUPPORT ♡♡ from family or friends.
8 months strict keto and I'm making my 1st med decrease (1 pill) its not huge, but its a nice slow decrease that I'm ready to take now.
Thanks for sharing LadyA, did you notice a change in bipolar symptoms going into ketosis that made you want to stay on the diet?
This description of bipolar 2 resonates so much with me.
Hi Barbara, thanks, which aspects did you relate to?
I'm wondering now about my son. And he is on an SSRI. I am wondering how to find the right clinician to help us.
@@jenduhe47 chances are bigger winning the lottery. Basically clinicians only want to pop pills , never life style changes as a therapy...Its like finding the winning lottery ticket
@@jenduhe47just eat more beef butter bacon and eggs… add salt. First week is tough as your body starts to break the carbohydrate / garbage you’ve been swallowing into your body. It’s real tough and symptoms could get worse but won’t last more than 24-72 hours from what I experienced and have heard from others!
I’m bipolar 2 with heavy depression and I’m healing myself, very rapidly too…
Thank you Dr Ede for your compassion and bravery!!
Great video. Another overlooked aspect of health worth mentioning is getting regular exposure to direct sunlight throughout the day.
Great point, morning sun exposure certainly affects metabolism. Have loved seeing Andrew Huberman highlight the benefits of this.
My husband and I have been following the information from Metabolic mind for several months now. It was a revelation to me that lasting healing is possible through the ketogenic diet. I have had bipolar disorder 2 for decades. I went all in and to my great surprise I was out of the depression after a week. It seemed like a miracle. After 7 wonderful weeks I had a huge setback. I remain faithful to the diet and hope it does its job. Are there people with the same experience?
100%. K try to stick to mostly keto as much as possible. I have BP2 - went carnivore after a bad depression and got out within a few days vs a few months… I now go hardcore carnivore with fasting/OMAD when I feel a tickle of a low coming.
My hypomania seems to be stable now too. I’d say I’m 75% keto with some days of carnivore/high fat just to ensure I stay stable. Love it. No more meds either.
Went on keto 3 years ago for weight loss didn't realize I'd be helping my mental illness. But my depression evaporated.Tapered 75% of dose and now I'm working on the mood stabilizer Lamictal because it has a new warning of heart electrical problems wich I have. Tapered 50%so far. I'm thriving now and working on teaching my successes with in locai NAMI.
Thanks for sharing Jeffree!
The reason for no funding available for the studies is because there is no money in it for the medical industry. What im seeing is that this isnt just a treatment but rather a cure.
Thank You Guys ❤
💯 agree she is truly a great doctor in mental health so glad I found her and I share often as well 😉
Couldn't agree more Dell!
12:25 that's what I'm dealing with here with the public mental health system. My psychiatrist can't offer diet counseling or therapies even if she did know anything about it because it's not evidence based and they have to do everything evidence based.
We are working on a pilot trial for ketogenic diet at Edinburgh University. Trials also happening at Stanford and James Cook. Your psychiatrist may be interested in Georgia Ede's latest paper with Dr Danan here: www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2022.951376/full
The depth of ketosis definitely matters and it's high for me!!! I can't imagine why being above 3 would be bad?? At that level I feel wonderful. That bipolar "anxiety" disappears at a lower level but the higher levels feels so good. That was interesting to hear about bipolar type anxiety. I have that so badly and for some reason it's far far worse as soon as it gets dark. I was just saying over on twitter that Bipolar is a misnomer, the name should be returned to manic depression because that's what it is and is occuring in a mix. I was sad when she talked about all the weight loss. I'm taking Depakote and rapidly gaining weight which keto is not helping at all. I have to stop this somehow and fast.
Have you tried to combine keto with a) regular excercise, b) time-restricted-eating.
And have you tried carnivore/keto?
@@btudrus People always fail to understand what a problem depakote really is. For one thing, it's impossible to fast on depakote. Depakote creates a torturous hunger, binge eating, etc. Others may have another experience but I cannot fast on depakote nor can I lose weight on it. The only reason I'm not 300lbs is because I ride my bike so much and the only reason I can do that is because I take less depakote than I really need to control symptoms because if I take that much I don't want to move and literally sit and stare at the wall all day while I eat and eat and eat. I can eat until I'm completely stuffed and unable to move and STILL feel like I'm starving. People need to understand that there is something about this drug that interferes with metabolism and gods know what else. I've quit the drug now and my hunger has gone way down and weight loss is happening now. Psych drugs are common but they are hard core powerful and they screw a lot of things up.
Have you looked into the work of Joanna Moncrieff at all? She has a talk on the myth of the chemical cure which is really good. About the best thing I've done for so called bipolar disorder which I dont seem to have anymore is clean up my diet, drink very rarely and stay away from anything psychoactive including all so called medications.
@@CuriousCattery Yes I'm aware of her and I feel the whole "Mad in America" crowd is quite disingenuous with their entire premise, which is that mental illness does not exist. It's very obvious to me and by my experience that it does in fact exist and going to therapy has done fk all about it. You can't will your way out of the type of mental illness I have by simply believing it doesn't exist.
@@CuriousCattery Everything is psychoactive...food, light, sleep or lack of, synthetic toxins and natural ones etc. You can't escape psychoactive substances other than death. Obviously some of us are more sensitive to this stuff than others.
I'm a pediatrician and when we have a medical conference, they serve potato chips and Pepsi. :p
Yikes! Food marketing has too much influence over kids food choices. We have a long way to go.
medication is the only way to treat bipolar, we need to provide patients the options to try the right medication, quite frankly many don't care. finding a way to specifically define symptoms and then giving the exact medication wold be game changing however the medical community is driven by money.
I'm a holistic nutritionist and would like to take her course but I find it quite expensive and you don't even get to keep the videos so unfortunately I won't be able to.
the cycling wears you out.
I hear you Ron, been there too! Great to hear Keto has helped you.
Brain energy disregulation . So, for those who have worn a cgm. I have found that if my blood glucose is high or low. About 20 mg/dL over my fasting or under my fasting level I feel manic or anxious or jittery. Does this pattern ring true for others?
Hey, lovely interview! Question: how long does it usually taken before mental health gets better after starting the keto-diet? Thanks you for replying!
From what I heard it’s when your body goes into ketosis. So it could be about 10 to 14 days
How does trauma affect brain metabolism? I think this is a very interesting question.
Also, is it possible or will it be possible to measure brain metabolism to quantify acceptable operational brain metabolic performance?
I’m interested in the clinical trial for the US but the link isn’t working unfortunately
Shebani's trial at Stanford is now complete. Feel free drop me an email at iainhcampbell@gmail.com if you're looking for support with keto or to get involved in research and I can connect you with people.
I tried to tell the parents to feed their kids bacon and eggs before school, but the parents are beyond exhausted. Its sad.
It speaks volumes that cereal needs to be artificially fortified with vitamins. Actually eating bacon and eggs for breakfast as I write this!
is there a list of experienced dieticians and psychiatrists who can assist with keto diet for mental wellness
There is! Thanks to the great Georgia Ede featured on Episode 15:
www.diagnosisdiet.com/directory
I'm skitzo "EFFECTIVE
Love Dr ede but this channel, geez ads every 4-6 minutes.
Thanks for mentioning, that's so odd, is it more frequent than other channels?
@@ketobipolar it seemed to be
How long does it take to see real effects for bipolar? I find some days are better than others - I’m considering starting meds to balance myself while still following a ketogenic diet - I just feel like I need it.
Aim for 6-12 weeks.
@@adamandsteve13 my issue is I’m consistently 80% of the time. My ketones are hardly ever above 0.5 mmol