Shawk & McLanahan - A Would-Be St Louis Revolver Company
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2024
- The Shawk & McLanahan revolvers are a lesser-known example of a very low production Civil War era revolver not made in the Confederacy. Abel Shawk was manufacturing entrepreneur in St Louis making fire engines when he decided to take up arms manufacturing instead. He partnered with J.K. McLanahan who acted as a financier for the project, and with a young German immigrant gunsmith named William (Anglicized from Wilhelm) Tegethoff.
Shawk apparently built his own rifling machine, and sourced many of his other tools form an acquaintance named Charles Rigdon. Ridgon would go on to move to the South and work on several revolver making enterprises for the Confederacy during the Civil War. This led to an assumption that the Shawk & McLanahan guns were also affiliated with the CSA, although they were actually not.
Only about 45 or 50 guns were made before the business venture fell apart, and the surviving examples are all slightly different, suggesting that a final production model was never perfected. The workmanship is quite good, though. The example we have today was actually plated and presented to a Confederate officer by his men, along with a very fancy metal holster.
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Fascinating
Beautiful revolver
I heard of them from the show, tales of Wells Fargo.
Louis L' amour mentioned this gun in his book [To Tame a Land.]
Rye Tyler later was given two brand-new Smith & Wesson by friends and was a bit melancholic when he packed away his old Shawk & McLanahan.
Never seen such a beautiful holster! Revolver is pretty neat too!
Shawk and McLanahan sound like the main characters of a bad buddy-cop film.
Wilhelm Tegetthoff sounds like the kind of guy who puts a ramming prow on a revolver.
@@Grimmwoldds I see what you did there.. oddly enough the austrian Wilhelm von Tegetthoff who was famous for a naval ramming attacks in the battle of Lissa was actually in the US for study purposes in 1866
That revolver shape is beautiful I will say. Like many southern revolvers such as-let's say- the spiller and burr revolver looks very similar. But this is still it's own thing if you will. It has that iconic style and shape that's been used alot but that's its own idea if you catch my drift
Revolver sold for 34,500.
Rick from Pawn Stars- "I'll give you 10 bucks and that rusty can of fishing worms over there"
@ lmao !!😆
That holster is really beautiful, I respect craftsmanship and it clearly had it in ample supply
Louis Lamour used one of these in one of his books. Re worked for cartridges tho.
The bit of Latin on the holster is...interesting. It's supposed to say, *ANIMIS OPIBUSQUE PARATI* - 'Prepared in Minds & Might,' which was the South Carolina Motto at the time. What it actually says, however, is *INIMUS OPIBUSOUE PARATI* - 'We enter prepared into resources-via a female sheep', or perhaps 'We eggs come into a prepared man's wealth.' Presumably, the engraver didn't know Latin as well as he thought he did.
I am not very proficient in Latin, and I'm not saying that you're wrong. But I'm wondering, How exactly does changing the "A" to an "I" at the beginning of ONE of the words completely change the definition/meaning of every word, thus entirely changing the message of the "saying", which is simply a compilation of words that have a previously agreed upon and accepted definition. I'm legitimately curious to know the answer to this, because I'm not aware of any other words (specifically only referring to words in the few languages that I'm familiar with) that can change the entire meaning of subsequent words, simply by exchanging one or more letters in it, I.E misspelling it.
@@logancurl9526 Dad just passed but in Canada Latin was taught in all schools all the way up into the late fifties. He of ten referenced Latin in his conversation, as just a regular student. but so many Americans in those days were from Europe and English and Latin!! were not their original mother tongue or language.
"Romans they go to their houses?"
Chris Bellers I was stunned by how accurate that scene was. Cleese’s character was a bit overly pedantic, but everything he said was either correct or a reasonably close approximation.
Logan Curl I would’ve replied sooner if I’d seen it, but if you still care, here goes: there were three letters changed, not one. The initial A being switched for an I is one, the I at the end of the first word switched for a U is two, and the Q toward the end of the middle word is three. The first trouble is that there is ambiguity all over the place in Latin, with homonyms all over the place. Hence, “parati” means “prepared,” but it’s down to context whether it’s nominative (subjective) plural, or genitive (possessive) singular, and if the context changes, this may change. Secondly, “animis” is a noun (in the ablative case...English doesn’t have an equivalent..., plural) meaning “spirits;” but “inimus” is a verb (1st person plural present active indicative) meaning “we enter.” So that causes some major changes too. Finally, the suffix “-que” means “and,” but “-oue” means nothing, nor does “opibusoue.” So we have to assume “oue” is a separate word without a space, as was common for many centuries (although it would ordinarily be consistent through the whole phrase). “Oue” could a late formation plural nominative (subjective) or accusative (objective) of “ovum,” egg, or an ablative singular of “ovis,” sheep. Hence the variety of potential meanings. Latin is a very dense language compared to English, with often far fewer words used than we would use to convey a given idea; but that comes with a lot of ambiguity, and sometimes a one-letter difference will completely change how the rest of the words in a sentence fit together.
I would like to know the same thing everyone else does, if the holster and revolver stayed together.
It would be a shame if they didn't.
That's a fancy way to say Carondelet.
Louis Lamour wrote about shawk and mc lanahan in" to tame a land"
Finally, ever since I saw this video i knew I had seen a Shawk& McLanahan revolver mentioned in a book. It is the revolver carried by Ryan Tyler the protagonist in Louis Lamour's novel to Tame a Land.
I remembered this as well, almost gave me goosebumps. Had no idea it was a real gunmaker or that they were so rare
I came to post this. Though when I read To Tame a Land my impression was that the Shawk & McLanahan was a cartridge gun. I didn't know until I saw this video that it was a percussion revolver.
I thought that name sounded familiar great book
Why I am here!
Very cool
The ad on this video is offensive. Why can’t ads be reported as offensive?
Awesome
Anyone know if they sold to the same person??
From the British, to the French, to the Confederates.
Ian keeps getting kidnapped so often, you'd think it was on purpose!
Not only is Ian Gun Jesus, he is also Gun Princess Peach.
(Bergmann)
It's remarkably easy to kidnap Ian. ua-cam.com/video/nCuINDtVe9I/v-deo.html
You forgot his well documented escape from Finland.
Gorgeous revolver and holster.
James Chestnut? The husband of Mary and the largest slave holder in SC? That Chestnut?
I hope they get to stay together
same, would be a real shame if they didn't
They got split up
@@samholdsworth3957 how do you know?
One of the coolest guns I have seen. Thanks Ian.
Wow, usually when a gun gets stolen, you say your goodbyes cause you'll never see it again. Amazing to learn of a gun where they actually got the dang thing back!
TheGoldenCaulk its worth enough that the insurance comoany tracked it down
The idiot that stole it probably realized pretty quickly that he couldnt do drive-by's with a percussion revolver. Couldnt sell it to anyone in the hood so he tried a pawn shop.
My uncle had a S&W 66 stolen in 1986. It was recovered in 2004 in another state. The sheriff's dept said it's role as evidence in trial was done, please come pick up your property. For stupid reasons, my uncle was then legally unable to posses firearms, so he signed his rights over to my brother, who has it now. I've never seen a gun more mistreated, and I fully restored it. It is a great shooter, and you would never know it's history.
1) The thief or persons who held it as stolen property mistreated it. It is a 6" SS revolver. It was so thoroughly black with gunsmoke and ??? that it almost appeared to have worn blueing everywhere but under the grips. Bore was good though and lockwork in fine condition. The rear sight was half broken off. I soaked it for a week in a ziploc full of CLP mostly dissembled. Then scrubbed it all with very fine steel wool for a long time, until it looked like any other SS revolver with a normal life. I was able to find the correct sight parts after looking for a while. At the time the fine picture rear leaf was very hard to find, and generally very expensive.
2) Uncle. Background that is relevant. --- My uncle is not tactful, and that makes his life harder than it could be. He had a long standing property fight with his neighbor. The neighbor was in the wrong and made a situation that involved police. Police came and arrested my uncle for theft, and issued orders outside their authority. The law and facts were completely in my uncle's favor. (I'm an attorney, and know what I'm talking about here). The cop just went with a hunch and picked a side. He chose wrongly, and was badly embarrased and reprimanded by the judge. This lead to a grudge against my brusque uncle and the cop.
Uncle a couple years later: Renter's on his rural property feed some strays intermittently. My uncle is a rough man, but with a soft spot for his cats and chickens. One of the strays sometimes fed by his renters was a large mean tom cat, which killed several of my uncle's cats, maimed the others, and killed all but two of the chickens. My uncle came up for lunch in time to see this cat stalking his favorite and last surviving cat, an older tom. He ran inside, grabbed a shotgun and shot the feral cat, and threw it's corpse off an embankment. Apparently the renter saw this, and called the cops. All this is completely legal, and reasonable. I'd have done the same. Uncle said something smartass to the renter, and similar to the cop, which was the same cop. The cop chose to charge him with cruelty to animals. Because my uncle is who he is, the prosecuting attorney was another person who had a grudge against him. I forget the reason for that one. (Life lesson. Don't be an ass.) Anyway, my uncle didn't take the thing seriously and used his business attorney short notice to mount a very crude defense to a felony charge, and came in to court looking scruffy. The jury were animal people, and my uncle looked like a jerk during the trial. The prosecutor made a big play about how many birdshot pellets were in the cat, and as though more pellets equaled more cruelty, rather than a quicker more humane death. That got him a conviction for felony cruelty to animals, and all the life hassles that go along with a felony conviction. -- and that is now off his record, and he can legally own firearms again. - Don't be an ass to people and life goes better for you.
The bigger lesson is to live life treating people kindly and politely and you are a lot less likely to need an attorney. If you do need an attorney, hire a specialist in the field who listens to what outcome you want. Take the situation seriously, and pay attention to your appearance. Impression makes a big difference when someone has to decide which of two sides he believes.
Lovely pieces.
Brigadier general James Chestnut: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Chesnut_Jr.
perp: "We? Who's we?"
D. Harry: "Me, Shawk & McLanahan."
That's a mighty fine looking revolver
Great job once again Ian... Thanks!
Just for fun and FYI as well. Here in Saint Louis we unfrankify French words like others do with our name -St Louis not looyee. Therefore the suburb is said, kuh-'ron-duh-'let. In the neighborhood at least. Even the news readers say it that way.
Actually the Shawk & McClanahan is used by the character Shell Tucker in Louis L'Amour's novel "Tucker"...I've known about the firearm for well over 30 years
Yes, St Louis does pronounce a lot of our French places with French pronunciation, Carondelet is not one of them. Sounds so funny hearing Ian fancy it up.
Why did they not put some leather or other stuff inside the holster,I guess the revolver will make quite a lot of noises without holster stuffing.
Gen. Chestnut's wife is the one who's diary is read during Ken Burn's "The Civil War". A well to-do and connected family in the CSA
At least one of Louis L'Amour's characters used a Shawk and McLanahan revolver before he upgraded.
"St. Louis directory City Directory for 1857. ABB-ADA"
"Tegethoff, Wm.William, gunsmith , 31 Washington av."
Fredrik Häll Nice view
Did they mean James Chesnut? The Husband of Mary Boykin Chesnut, the author whose diaries gave us a look into Aristocratic South Carolina social life and political atmosphere during the Civil War? It must be. He was the General in charge of South Carolina reserve force from 1864 till the end of the war. It is quite possible that the common soldiers or engraver misspelled the name.The Chesnut's are better known by historians than by the general public, and she is more well known today because of her diaries, but he was an important political figure in South Carolina and the Confederacy of his own right for those of us that study the era.
If so, perhaps the revolver and holster should be in a a museum, not a private collection. But not that I could afford to make that happen :) I'm quite surprised that a piece with this provenance isn't valued even higher and I'd expect the bidding to be brisk. I'll be very interested in what the hammer fall price will be.
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Would it have ever had a lining for the holster? Seems like the rattling would get tiresome quickly....
That would explain it, thanks!
hope thy get together a gain.
Being such a collectible piece, I feel that anyone wanting to purchase the gun or holster would be eager to have the other piece as well. I sure hope they both go to the same owner, they deserve to sit side-by-side in a collection with other works of art for years to come.
He obviously doesn't want it anymore.
By introducing the holster, he has massively increased the sale price of the gun.
Without the holster, the gun is much less attractive, and has much less demonstrable provenance.
He's multiplied the fuck outta his potential competing bidders, if he's trying to get it back.
If he wanted it back, he would've said "what holster," and let the price of the revolver stay low, or at least not boost it hard by making the matching holster available.
Then sneakily bid on the un-remarkable gun.
Not Pulverman I like how you say that the holster made this worth it and yet the gun sold for almost 3 times as much because it has some very good history
MrDerp24 Well, that's the point-- the holster (having been documented to belong with the particular gun) is direct, tangible proof of the gun's history and enhances its value.
That is a nice looking and well crafted revolver
For the future bidders: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE keep these two pieces of history TOGETHER.
What a beautiful revolver !
Were they reunited by the new owners
Louis la’amour armed one of his characters with a shawl and mclanahan in one of his novels, I think the first fast draw 😀
It was Ryan Tyler in "To Tame a Land".
Eventually the character updated to two S&W .44 Russians
I like it better than the Colt it's lines are nicer and the frame looks stronger, I know , blasphemy , but it's true..Wish they would reproduce it...
+Gerald Fallon-Griffin Same here. I would definitely take it over a Colt. My favorite Civil War-era revolver is the '1858' Remington New Model Army.
I would like to see uberti come out with one. I would buy 2
Класс. Жаль что больше половины рассказа об этом револьвере не понимаю, кто бы перевёл :( Всегда хотел увидеть его, с тех пор как прочитал книгу Луиса Ламура "Ганфайтер". Thank you from Russia. Cool and interestin
And the caliber is about ...?
It does have nice lines. Seems a nice hybrid between the Colts and the Remington.
A great find!
I'll be interested to see if a single buyer manages to pick up both of these at the auction. Presumably the holster will go for less than the gun. If the two were together I'd imagine they'd go for a higher price, though we may see a bidding war going on over these (oh god, but hopefully no scalping).
Gun bingo!
From the left;
MG-15
Fedorov Avtomat
ZB-26
Hotchkiss M1909 Benét-Mercié
MG-42
Awesome video as usual Ian!
It reminds me of a Whitney revolver, only with a round barrel.
did anyone read "to tame a land" by louis l'amour. The revolver model used by Tyler in the book was caliber .36.
hey ian i just got the december magazine and i see theres a .700 nitro rifle by Searcy & Co. it would be cool to do a video on it due to the caliber being a real enigma on the internet due to so little being made in general and it is truly a forgotten weapon to those unfamiliar with elephant guns
His wife, Mary Chesnut, was a prominent diarist during the war. her diaries are available in print. The general was a close friend of Jefferson Davis and served as his aide at times and hosted Davis n his visits to South Carolina.
LOL that guy has quite the story. From it's lineage and the lawsuit from those who manufactured it, to being stolen and then auctioned at the same place the holster's being auctioned too, going through being presented to a Confederate General when the Confederacy was almost done for. Really interesting piece and it's history (from beginning to end) just adds to it :D
Beautiful revolver, I really hope someone purchased both and reunited this lovely little piece of history.
Entertaining as hell my good sir! As always.
It would be cool if they would reproduce them again !
Shout out from St Louis
I have read the diary of Gen. Chestnut's wife...that sounded a little creepy. But seriously, she has published her wartime diary and her family had close ties with with the Lee's and Davis'. I bet there is chance Gen. Chestnut showed this revolver off to one or both of them.
The story of failed companies is always interesting. Looks like a very nice revolver indeed. The frame looks longer and thicker than a Colt. The holster is interesting, but i don't know about metal. But thankfully, that allowed it to survive, where a leather one would likely be in poor shape now. Great video as always. Thank you
Is that a Federov Avtomat in the background? Will you do a video on it Ian? Please?
No, it's not.
What is it?
Great video, with the nitpicky exception that Ian mispronounced Carondelet. Pitty its way out of my price range, I'd love to get it back home to St. Louis.
I wonder if the sale price will approach the insured value.
I thought you didn't get ads on these.
I live in St. Louis so this is kinda cool to see.
Yis
In parts of some of your videos there is only audio on the left channel.
I remember reading of Shawn & McLanahan in a Louis L’Amour western. The protagonist had one. Can’t remember which story.
I want to say it was mentioned in "Lando".
"To tame a land" .... I think!
@@adirondacker007Lando had a 12 shot Walch/Navy .36 that he never used.
It was given to him by Cullen Baker, Albeit L'Amore's fictionalized version of him (he was the main character of The First Fast Draw, still a great read)
Does anyone else play 'name the gun sitting behind him'?
I have subscribed to forgoten weapon to long, nobody want to play name the gun with me anymore :)
I heard of them as a child in a Louis L'amour novel
Yes a character in a Louis L'Amour western story carried one. Can't remember which book it was.
I always feel special when I see under 1000 views, but damn that holster
When saying the name of anywhere in the St. Louis region remember "French is the language they mangle when giving directions in St. Louis." Carondelet is locally pronounced as it is spelled. There does not seem to be any hard and fast rules as to what would be pronounced as French, like Des Peres (Depare) or Carondelet (Karon da let).
My favorite is actually Lemay Ferry. You hear that and think, "Maybe it's Lee-May Ferry". Like, two British guys. Nope! Horribly Anglicized written version of "Lemais".
The rifle in the background, 2nd from the left, is that a Fedorov Avtomat?
I think you are right. That wooden pistol grip made me wonder.
It's a Spanish copy of the Erma EMP, Ian has covered one before
holster at 12000 wowsers...id be surprised if these items get back together
I watched this video a couple of weeks ago and found it very interesting. I hadn't heard of Shawk and McLanahan prior to this video. About one week ago, I was watching some episodes of an old western series that was on in the late 1950s, "Tales of Wells Fargo." In season 1, episode 8, "Renegade Raiders", the bad guys were smuggling pistols to the Indians. They were running the guns out of St. Joseph, MO, using Wells Fargo Express. The guns they were running...Shawk & McLanahan revolvers.
Shawk and McLanahan sounds like the law firm my future ex-wife is gonna use to take everything from me after the divorce.
😂
Funny coincident, Wilhelm von Tegetthoff was a great admiral in the 19th century in europe.
A really great story. I hope the to nice pieces get together again.
Does anybody else play the what guns are on the wall behind ian game? Last one looks like an MG-42
I heard of it in a Louis L'Amour novel. To tame a land... I think.
just amazing content, never a disappointment, may gun # 1 be reunited with its holster. Man back to his woman.
So does anyone know if the gun and holster are united? It would be a shame if they weren't.
Anyone know if they stayed together?
Man, that NRA ad on this sure is a thing.
Yes, it sure is.
I heard of a shawk and mclanahan in a louis l'amour book. Does that count?
Louis Lamour wrote about it in "To Tame a Land" Ryan Tyler carried it in the beginning of the novel and used it to avenge his Pa's death against the Indian's that killed him!!
Ok time to ask. What’s the gun on the left this time?
An MG-15.
Serial #1...8 known to exist... and I was still hoping for some dry fire action.
Being from Missouri I would love to get one of those.
What a strange set of circumstances surrounding the sale. Almost as intriguing as the story behind the revolver and holster itself.
Nice 🤙🏼
I would wear that gun on my hip any time. It looks good,and appears to be very strong. I hope the new owner takes good care of the gun and holster.
So this guy? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Chesnut_Jr.
Only 45-50 guns made - maybe they were only built when a customer ordered or wanted one?
I'm really curious how these auctions turn out. I could see someone running the second auctioned of the set up on who ever is trying to recombine them. Hopefully that doesn't happen though.
I would think that action order is going to be rather important here. If say the gun goes first there won't be as much competition for the holster, or vice versa.
Forgotten weapon for sure. I never even heard of this revolver till today.