In a perfect world, TWWIII would've had sea battles, these monsters would appear as a 3rd side as wild cards that would attack everyone to spice it all up. And I'm reminded that Merwyrms are still not in the High/Dark Elf rosters with Vampire Coast factions not having undead variants of them.
In a perfect world they'd be available as units and wild cards, wild cards would be great for the game overall, even if there was team sided wildcards having said that it would certainly need to be more refined then the man o war system where everyone can take everyone
There's not enough money in the world for me to live in Warhammer fantasy (let alone 40K). You are literally never safe. Even if you seem safe from everything, the Skaven Under-Empire is global. And even if *somehow* they can't get to you, gods (likely Chaos gods) can just fuck with you if they deem it worth their time.
I hope you eventually do a video on Mermedus, a lesser-known Daemon God(same class as Hashut) of the Deep Seas worshipped by the Skaelings of Norsca. There isn't much on him, but he is incredibly fascinating.
Currently running Salzenmund: City of Salt and Silver for a two player group. My players are currently on their way to Wreckers point via ship to investigate undead disturbances. What they don't know is that everyone on board their ship is a member of a Cult of Stromfels planning to sacrifice them along with a priest who accompanied them on their journey. This video helped me pick out which sea serpent they're going to be sacrificed to, should they get that far. PS-Your Salzenmund video hooked me and convinced me to buy it, thanks a lot!
@@chiefmasterofdeepwarrens3208 the naval battles that were found in earlier total war games, based on how man o' war functioned it would be closest to empire or napoleon total war, but with sea monsters, and more unique designs, alongside the dwarfs, which have ww1 based ships
Sea Giants have no lore but look pretty cool, Bone Hydras are terrifying, Promethieans are crab, kraken are obvious, and Sea Elementals are just water.
yeah I must admit as much as it's incredible having the whole world, I think it would be nice if there was some more natural seperation between areas with dominant cultures.
Agree, especially because there's a LOT of chewy fat around where Kroq-Gar starts, or east of the World's Edge mountains. There is open area, it's just oddly placed
12:00 Altered and alerted are very, very different things. Alerted infers that Triton himself commenced whatever metamorphosis occurred. Altered as the text says, by the coming of Chaos could mean it was an involuntary change.
Most of the naval lore available on warhammer comes from man o war and dreadfleet, both done in the times when Cathay had no lore beyond, China lol, if we were to see a reboot of any naval system for fantasy we would likely see a Cathay fleet and lore for many new monsters, likely inspired by Chinese mythology, same for that entire region really, though I don't know enough about those mythologies to name sea monsters
If I wrote for gamesworkshop I would flesh out the southern part of the "African continent equivalent" I would make armies based off of the Zondiy, the Annabailey, the Zulu, and Kush. I would also have Vortrekers, Imperial settlers that would be like Afrikaners and Bores. There would be where hyenas or maybe leopards There would be armies of beastmen based on African Beast. Water buffalo gazelle elephant men ect.. Zebra men would be their own faction. I love the idea of a horde of highly mobile blood-crazed cannibal zebra centaurs that attack in swarms from multiple directions just roaming the Savannah destroying whatever they come across. There would be a chaos jungle and the southern people would have their own takes on the chaos gods Zeench would be a spider who spins webs of plots and intrigued, like Anansi the spider. Khorn would be the rage lion, god of battle honor and Victory. Nurgle would be a diseased crocodile that lives within a poisonous swamp. Slanesh would be... I don't know, a creepy hermaphrodite with exaggerated features i guess.
I really wish we got it, but it's almost guaranteed we won't get it, I'd be happy if they even just translated man o' war the game almost 1 to 1 online for the naval system, just having them is so much better then island battles, which in turn were better then forced auto resolve
I would love to see them in TW:WH3. One of the issues with TW:WH series so far has been not using the bodies of water effectively. In fact, IMO TW:WH3 made it even worse by reducing the size of the bodies of water. I think that the seas and oceans of Total War: Warhammer III should be dotted by under-water races' settlements and gigantic marine monsters that interact with the NPCs and players. Side note: Besides submarine settlements, I still believe that we should have flying cities, and real under-cities that are located on a sub-layer of the game's map.
Thanks for another great video!! Would you be able to tell us which book or course these creatures come from? I’m starting to collect warhammer fantasy books but having a tricky time finding out the names of the books being referenced.
It would be cool to see a collaboration with you and loremastersotek he did a Halloween story line are year or 2 ago about monsters in the war hammer world and the leech wyrm was one but it’ll be really cool to see y’all do a video about lesser know lore
I'm surprised you didn't touch on Triton's original lore from man o war. The sea elemental entry hypothesizes that triton's people became the sea elementals.
Size(Length) scale; Megalodon -> Estimated 52" or 16 meters. Orb Leviathan -> 45 yards = 135" or 41.1 meters. Black Leviathan -> 4 "Furlong"(equal to 1/8 mile) and 2 "Chain"(66") = 2772"(0.52Miles) or 884.9Meters(0.844Kilometers). Gonna be real honest, the "Gargantuan" sounds tiny but thicc(10 yard diameter = 30" or 9.1 meters wide) since "Hundreds" long isn't as long as *half a mile* when compared to the Black Leviathan.
Nice video. With regards to the multiple sea gods comment, I don't believe Manaan and Mathlaan are different Gods, but rather different versions of each culture's belief in their god of the sea. The names are too similar to be unique. Stromfels and a range of other less deities of the sea of course exist. I also believe Khaine and Khorne are probably interchangeable, Khaine being a little bit more refined as the elven god of murder.
It implies the potential for great change. World ending levels of change. Even if it's say 1% of Tzeetch's power, it has much more power than any single entity in the old world, including old world Sigmar
Mermanticores! Manticores, but in the ocean. Aranessa Saltspite was said to be able to hunt them before her tenth birthday. Also, sea nymphs. Aranessa was said to have been raised by three of them.
Really, it's a shame they don't have more. Count Noctilus in lore even has something of a hobby of finding the weirdest, strangest nightmares of the deep, killing them, then reanimating them, and even has a few "ships" made out of them. Also some Skaven got involved once, so there's a fleet of sorta kinda undead Skaven out there sailing a sea monster iirc
Man o' could be ported as it was made and put into the game and be a genuinely great addition to the game, if they made a total war Man o war game it would be amazing, so if they could make it interconnect like the main trilogy did that would make it the best total war game they ever did, and likely the best they'll ever do
Glad to see you doing lore videos!! I was worried this channel was turning into a mod review channel for total war. I am a big fan of Man O'War: Corsair, even though it's a dead game. The seas are not safe!!
Apologies for the late post between getting ill and some other family matters I forgot to schedule the video. Have a good weekend guys.
Never apologize for the great work you do
Quick question what game is this from I’m guessing it’s dread fleet or is it something else
You're forgetting cylostra is an avatar if a sea God in lore
Oh hey! You get to fight some of these in Man o War Corsair!
In a perfect world, TWWIII would've had sea battles, these monsters would appear as a 3rd side as wild cards that would attack everyone to spice it all up.
And I'm reminded that Merwyrms are still not in the High/Dark Elf rosters with Vampire Coast factions not having undead variants of them.
In a perfect world they'd be available as units and wild cards, wild cards would be great for the game overall, even if there was team sided wildcards having said that it would certainly need to be more refined then the man o war system where everyone can take everyone
@@calebbarnhouse496 in a perfect world there'd be a similar mechanic for gigantic wild land creatures too!
There is not enough money in the world for me to be a warhammer sailor
There's not enough money in the world for me to live in Warhammer fantasy (let alone 40K). You are literally never safe. Even if you seem safe from everything, the Skaven Under-Empire is global. And even if *somehow* they can't get to you, gods (likely Chaos gods) can just fuck with you if they deem it worth their time.
I hope you eventually do a video on Mermedus, a lesser-known Daemon God(same class as Hashut) of the Deep Seas worshipped by the Skaelings of Norsca. There isn't much on him, but he is incredibly fascinating.
"The human mind will force you to forget, to prevent insanity"
H.P. Lovecraft
I hope we get merwyrms for High Elves and undead merwyrms for Vampire Coast sometime in the future.
I have to wonder how that would work considering they're ocean-dwelling creatures
@@SpiceCh they've got legs, their models already exist in-game
@@SpiceCh Oceanborn but not ocean bound ;)
@@kalebscott282 right you are! I couldn't remember the right word, thank you :)
Fun fact. Furlongs and chains are both actual units of measurement, and, if accurate, would make those fish 2,772ft long, over half a mile.
Currently running Salzenmund: City of Salt and Silver for a two player group. My players are currently on their way to Wreckers point via ship to investigate undead disturbances. What they don't know is that everyone on board their ship is a member of a Cult of Stromfels planning to sacrifice them along with a priest who accompanied them on their journey. This video helped me pick out which sea serpent they're going to be sacrificed to, should they get that far. PS-Your Salzenmund video hooked me and convinced me to buy it, thanks a lot!
Great material for a future Naval DLC :) Leech Wyrm is one of Grandfather Nurgle's favorites sea children
Define "Naval DLC"
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@@chiefmasterofdeepwarrens3208 the naval battles that were found in earlier total war games, based on how man o' war functioned it would be closest to empire or napoleon total war, but with sea monsters, and more unique designs, alongside the dwarfs, which have ww1 based ships
@@calebbarnhouse496 I am gonna kick you in the spleen
@@chiefmasterofdeepwarrens3208 my spleen is stronger then your leg
Love sea monsters, love Warhammer Fantasy. Great vid!
There's always a Bigger Fish
Sea Giants have no lore but look pretty cool, Bone Hydras are terrifying, Promethieans are crab, kraken are obvious, and Sea Elementals are just water.
There is also some type of sea lion that live near bretonnia-some huge creature that hunts prometheans
not to mention Theralind!
I really hope CA will unsquish the map a little more by making it slightly wider.
yeah I must admit as much as it's incredible having the whole world, I think it would be nice if there was some more natural seperation between areas with dominant cultures.
@@mrhelzbygrad7485 Bretonnia, Ulthuan and Naggarond being just a turn apart is a little too close for comfort.
@@HiddenEvilStudios particularly as the likes of norsca where you really need to be able to raid and run
Agree, especially because there's a LOT of chewy fat around where Kroq-Gar starts, or east of the World's Edge mountains.
There is open area, it's just oddly placed
Never heard Megalodon pronounced that way. I dig it brother!
Can you do a video on the southern chaos wastes?
Love the way you pronounce Megaladon wrong, it's actually quite smooth lmao. Great video Nathan!
The first one you covered, the behemoth, is what the beastmen boats look like on Warhammer 3. Not sure about the other games.
I just had the flue myself so you have my empathy/sympathy, glad your on the mend.
Super excited for the fishmen video!!
That was such a good video!
Thank you. I love such awesome "deep dive" :P lore about mystic creatures. *_*
Love videos like this. As much Old World lore as possible! :D
12:00 Altered and alerted are very, very different things. Alerted infers that Triton himself commenced whatever metamorphosis occurred. Altered as the text says, by the coming of Chaos could mean it was an involuntary change.
Is there no friendly sea dragon near cathay (thinking like in shang-chi)?
There is. She's one the the Dragon Emperor's children and head of the Cathayan navy.
Most of the naval lore available on warhammer comes from man o war and dreadfleet, both done in the times when Cathay had no lore beyond, China lol, if we were to see a reboot of any naval system for fantasy we would likely see a Cathay fleet and lore for many new monsters, likely inspired by Chinese mythology, same for that entire region really, though I don't know enough about those mythologies to name sea monsters
If I wrote for gamesworkshop I would flesh out the southern part of the "African continent equivalent"
I would make armies based off of the Zondiy, the Annabailey, the Zulu, and Kush.
I would also have Vortrekers, Imperial settlers that would be like Afrikaners and Bores.
There would be where hyenas or maybe leopards
There would be armies of beastmen based on African Beast. Water buffalo gazelle elephant men ect..
Zebra men would be their own faction. I love the idea of a horde of highly mobile blood-crazed cannibal zebra centaurs that attack in swarms from multiple directions just roaming the Savannah destroying whatever they come across.
There would be a chaos jungle and the southern people would have their own takes on the chaos gods
Zeench would be a spider who spins webs of plots and intrigued, like Anansi the spider.
Khorn would be the rage lion, god of battle honor and Victory.
Nurgle would be a diseased crocodile that lives within a poisonous swamp.
Slanesh would be... I don't know, a creepy hermaphrodite with exaggerated features i guess.
2:51 fun fact in 40k orcs have a squig called squig shark 🦈 it’s a shark but also a fungus 😅
Total War Warhammer needs Naval Battles and Water Monsters or Battles Under Water with Monsters, etc... 😍
DEUS VULT! I agree with your statement fellow Crusader with the same profile pic as me! Huzzah!
I really wish we got it, but it's almost guaranteed we won't get it, I'd be happy if they even just translated man o' war the game almost 1 to 1 online for the naval system, just having them is so much better then island battles, which in turn were better then forced auto resolve
Do you have anymore underwater creatures videos from the warhammer fantasy
I would love to see them in TW:WH3.
One of the issues with TW:WH series so far has been not using the bodies of water effectively.
In fact, IMO TW:WH3 made it even worse by reducing the size of the bodies of water.
I think that the seas and oceans of Total War: Warhammer III should be dotted by under-water races' settlements and gigantic marine monsters that interact with the NPCs and players.
Side note:
Besides submarine settlements, I still believe that we should have flying cities, and real under-cities that are located on a sub-layer of the game's map.
Thanks for another great video!! Would you be able to tell us which book or course these creatures come from? I’m starting to collect warhammer fantasy books but having a tricky time finding out the names of the books being referenced.
Leech Wyrm in the terms of design and lore is one of the creepiest warhammer fantasy creatures.
It would be cool to see a collaboration with you and loremastersotek he did a Halloween story line are year or 2 ago about monsters in the war hammer world and the leech wyrm was one but it’ll be really cool to see y’all do a video about lesser know lore
I'm surprised you didn't touch on Triton's original lore from man o war. The sea elemental entry hypothesizes that triton's people became the sea elementals.
That's because I'm working on an Elementals deep dive
The Behemoth sounds like a cross between a narwhal and a Livyatan
Size(Length) scale;
Megalodon -> Estimated 52" or 16 meters.
Orb Leviathan -> 45 yards = 135" or 41.1 meters.
Black Leviathan -> 4 "Furlong"(equal to 1/8 mile) and 2 "Chain"(66") = 2772"(0.52Miles) or 884.9Meters(0.844Kilometers).
Gonna be real honest, the "Gargantuan" sounds tiny but thicc(10 yard diameter = 30" or 9.1 meters wide) since "Hundreds" long isn't as long as *half a mile* when compared to the Black Leviathan.
If you want to get a good idea of how chasm leeches function just check out hagfish, which are clearly the inspiration for these...
Alwayls neat to warch seamonster lore, even better if its warhammer!
there is something quite fascinating with gigantic sea creatures
So Triton is basically aquamarine, just really big and angry lol
Nice video. With regards to the multiple sea gods comment, I don't believe Manaan and Mathlaan are different Gods, but rather different versions of each culture's belief in their god of the sea. The names are too similar to be unique. Stromfels and a range of other less deities of the sea of course exist.
I also believe Khaine and Khorne are probably interchangeable, Khaine being a little bit more refined as the elven god of murder.
Speaking about elves I once heard Legend saying that the Vortex is in a way a physical manifestion of Tzeetch. What does this statement imply?
It implies the potential for great change. World ending levels of change. Even if it's say 1% of Tzeetch's power, it has much more power than any single entity in the old world, including old world Sigmar
Ooh Maritime monsters, my favorite
4.2 furlongs = 844meters long, so saying it's "quite big" might be a bit of an understatement. The USS General R Ford aircraft carrier is ONLY 337m.
Ive been waiting for this
What book was this from?
Well, time to play some Man O’ War Corsair
Like all off lore of Warhammer I want the deep ones to be a playable race
The true problem of the Old World Oceans is that is Full of Elves
Where would be some blurbs about what you said about the ocean being corrupted. By darling magic
what about MerOrc?
Odd that the orb leviathan is so small considering that undead skaven made a huge ship out of one
Triton for vampire coast!!
I think Gargatuan part was cropped wrong.
Mermanticores! Manticores, but in the ocean. Aranessa Saltspite was said to be able to hunt them before her tenth birthday. Also, sea nymphs. Aranessa was said to have been raised by three of them.
Sounds like some good creatures for the Vampire Coast.
Really, it's a shame they don't have more.
Count Noctilus in lore even has something of a hobby of finding the weirdest, strangest nightmares of the deep, killing them, then reanimating them, and even has a few "ships" made out of them.
Also some Skaven got involved once, so there's a fleet of sorta kinda undead Skaven out there sailing a sea monster iirc
Can wait for Fishman.
With vampire pirates at the bottom of the ocean (somehow not a pancake from pressure) so I can sea it being very corrupted
Especially because in lore, Noctilus has a hobby of finding massive sea creatures, killing them, and reanimating them
Okay Back it up. The Meg-Al-Adon? Megalodon Mega-lo-don.
What's up with CA releasing a patch for Three Kingdoms years after they killed it?
The behemoth kinda reminds me of the beastmen-ships in total war.
Damn being a regular human in warhammer would suck, nowhere safe.
Squid controlled deep ones.
The game needs more sea monsters
why dosent khorn have a part of his realm called the eternal battlefield ?
Four furlongs and change? So greater than half a mile in length. XD
My wish is for also a dreadfleet dlc
i saw all of them in man o war corsair
Is it a good game? I've been um-ing and ah-ing for a few years on weather to pick it up or not
@@cloroxusthestainlessone4324 it's not on the steam store anymore. but it's like mount and blade with ships
@@orben-amos6172 ah shit, that sounds good. Annoyed with myself now. Cheers matey
I don't think we'll ever see naval battles in Warhammer 3, HOWEVER, I'm betting CA had talks with GW to make a Man O' War game.
Man o' could be ported as it was made and put into the game and be a genuinely great addition to the game, if they made a total war Man o war game it would be amazing, so if they could make it interconnect like the main trilogy did that would make it the best total war game they ever did, and likely the best they'll ever do
I hate the sea, and everything in it.
Mega-la-don
Ah so like the leeches from SAS4 lol
hmmm the Leviathan is supposed to be 4 furlongs long?! that's 800 m... Doesn't sound right
Well it's mini was the size of every large ship, however black arcs were in the game, and there mini was slightly larger
You come from Fishermen? That’s awesome! Tells us more ye salty sailor!
Stop. You’re going to take someone’s eye out. Besides, you’re saying it wrong. It’s MEGA-ladon not megAladon.
The idea of this vid did seem like some sort of flu-related hallucination. Hope you get better
Will there finally be black people.
Glad to see you doing lore videos!!
I was worried this channel was turning into a mod review channel for total war.
I am a big fan of Man O'War: Corsair, even though it's a dead game.
The seas are not safe!!
I do a bit of everything as long as it's related to Warhammer
I would love to see that game modernized yo
@@ecchihead They can take my money.
missing Kraken here!