SORA AI: When Progress Is A Bad Thing
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AI video is here. Well, it's been here. It's just good now.
Well, not "good", neccesarily. The tech is good. The ramifications of it are...less good.
So today I want to talk about Sora, OpenAI, and AI art in general.
Or an approximation of those things.
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your drawings are stupid I:(
@@VeryRandomPigeon he hid my comment!!!11!!!1!!!1! communism!!!!!1!!1!!
good lord, the moving AI Kermit and mickey were nightmare fuel based on visuals alone, let alone implications.
Im glad this tech is open source, if it wasnt id be mad, but since it is ill be simply using it to stay competetive😂😂😂
Ai comes around and the first jobs it threatens to take are the ones people actually want to do
Art and music
Yeah like what the fuck, right?
It's almost like artists aren't special and don't deserve more respect than the millions of other people who have been automated out of a job.
Perfect. Gaming is coming next. Get a job.
Lol, what? You mean like a quality spot checker on a factory floor? Or maybe something like a transcriptionists?
No one wanted the menial jobs that AI has done away with. Don't be a Luddite. Learn to use the new technology, and you want be afraid of it anymore.
who would have thought i'd live to see a world where machines do all the creative jobs and humans are forced to do the menial labor
Software advanced more than we expected robotics would!
it is such a weird word we are heading to, like did we chose the wrong part on the tree of progress, this is so f*cking absurd and stupid. I love my life but i dont want to live to see the next 10 years
It goes to show how cheap creativity can be. Ideas are cheap, but good ideas are worth millions. if/when we get better decision making from AI, we can have robots doing labor too.
Honestly? Skill issue. We really should work on that, sounds easier than automating creative works too.
Just like they always say, turns out we live in the most boring dystopia
"Robots replace human artists, animators, filmmakers, musicians and writers so humans can die in factories without fear of having to work a creative job." is a premise, that had it been proposed for an edgy low budget teen dystopia in the 2000s would have been laughed out of the room for how hilariously it misinterprets basic human desires for the the future, and yet, here we are.
Human Detected: Get back to shoving your coal!
Now, ai is being used for the brains of robots that can walk and move.
The Tesla Bot can soon take your job in the factory 🏭 to
"im a bit of a perfectionist, so each drawing can take maybe 40 seconds"
my god that line is comedy GOLD
I don't think I fully get it...unless the joke is just that perfectionists usually take a long time to do something and he said the opposite...
Still found it funny regardless...but I can't help but feel I might be missing some hidden meaning...or maybe not idk...
While the whole art thing is a valid argument against AI, the rarely discussed side of "this is going to be used by bad actors to create massive amounts of misinformation and it could have disastrous consequences" scares me far more than anything else it could do.
This is something I don’t get either. Not only is it already being used that way intentionally (there’s been a rash of scam artists using AI of peoples’ voices to trick people to give them money, and of course there’s been a whole ton of instances of it being used to make NSFW content of people without consent), but even unintentionally when e.g., ChatGPT makes up fake legal cases for a lawyer who doesn’t bother double checking, or a teacher punishing their students because ChatGPT falsely claims it wrote their homework.
Not to even get into cases where it could add a layer of obfuscation & reduce accountability for things that are important legal/medical/social mechanisms - like cops using AI to profile someone or fabricate evidence, or an insurance agency using AI to reject care for someone, or a bank feeding an AI your history and having it reject a loan application.
There are so many negative implications to AI mainstreamization but it feels like everyone is fixated on the plagiarism thing. Like sure, that’s bad, but there are other, far worse things that either have already been happening, or which institutions seem to intend to make happen.
ai generated willy wonka experience in scotland was just the beginning
We're about to witness the birth of the post-truth era. Video evidence will no longer be damning evidence, let alone photographic evidence.
Don't worry, daddy government is more than eager to step in and make sure you only see fact checked™ democracy approved™ images
That is one of the explicitly stated reasons why OpenAi didn't release Sora yet, even, but they're not going to hold it forever
The fucking way he referred to Indians as the enemy I lost it
Every time I see an Indian Guy I think of an IT Tech Guy. I don't care it is funny!
The preferred term is native Americans
@normanozwald wrong kind of indian
@@FTChomp9980 no that's just racist
@@normanozwald He meant the dot not the feather
For a moment i tought you would actually show the AI generated comercial and dramatically say "is over"
Que haces tu aquí mi canal de minecraft favorito?!
Muy buenas gente bonitaaa
Saw someone say recently, "AI should be doing the tedious work for creative people, instead of doing the creative work for tedious people."
I think about that a lot.
Then use AI for help with menial work.
People in the past wanted robots to do exactly this.
But instead we get the opposite, so instead of humans being creative they die in factories.
@@pacomatic9833there have been robots in factories for over 30 years 😂
@@pacomatic9833Robots took factory jobs.
The court showing an ai generated video of me committing heinous crimes and sentencing me to death
Don't let them take your smile : )
Me showing the police a footage of a man robbing my house and take my family only to have them accuse of it being AI.
AI has already started taking jobs is the worst part.
Duolingo for example actually has started firing the vast majority of its staff in favor of AI for its language learning programs. Only keeping a small group of employees to fact check the AI. Hasbro just last year around Christmas fired a lot of its staff and posted up a new sheet of requirements for new hires. It just boiled down to them asking for artists capable of mimicking styles and being able to fix hands and other AI errors. Frankly, we're already fucked.
Society as a whole isn't. Labor is freed for the job market and the price is lowered on those goods that required their labor.
I uninstalled Duolingo and never looked back. When I got it in 2021 it was genuinely helpful to learn Japanese but over the next years it got progressively shittier. Deleting discussions and replacing them with a paid AI subscription model was the final nail in the coffin for me.
@@jonatand2045It doesn't matter how low those prices get if nobody could afford them since they no longer have a source of income.
@@OmegaF77
They get another job. We are not at the point in which AI increases unemployment yet.
@@jonatand2045 What other job? The minimum wage ones? Those are gonna get automated. The blue collar ones, like plumbing? Those labor markets will instantly get saturated and we're back at minimum wage. Getting a job currently is not as simple and easy as you might think it is.
Ai was funny when it was in its infancy and produced surreal nightmare fuel. The memes were glorious. They ain't so glorious anymore. I'll tell you what a decent use of AI is that's been used for a while: AI filler tools. Animation studios already use computer programs to accurately render physics that are way too complicated for animators to calculate. Stuff like waves splashing, snow falling, hair blowing in the wind, etc. It's still doesn't do too much, so animators still maintain the dominant controlling interest in framing a scene, moving the characters/"camera", changing the lighting, all the _actual_ art stuff while the computer does the stuff no one wants to do.
Anime studios have used AI in the last few years to generate inbetweens when they are on a crunch.
@@benvictim yeah, what a cost saver! (I’m sarcastic)
Will Smith spaghetti was the peak of the mountain and now we're fallin back down.
@@Ehh..... there was also that really funny ai pizza commercial
I still don't understand why people are shocked. It was obvious this was happening soon. Maybe not THIS soon, but the progress was clear. It's also clear where it's going. The short term is scary, but the long term, boy, are we NOT prepared. AGI will quickly turn to ASI once it is made, and then all it will take is one ASI to be built exactly wrong for humanity, and the entire biosphere, to be at risk.
To young to be an artist, too old to nuke the OpenAI megatower. Truly the middle children of history.
Get up samurai we got a city to burn
Johnny Silverhand would be proud
Cyberpunk 2024
@@fullmetaltheoristNot as bad as 2077, at least developmentally. But still as awful.
@@JSSMVCJR2.1 it really did become a good game still has its problems but it’s very enjoyable
"I want to be a human being, not a human doing" - Scatman John
Listen, I have no interest in what a feces fetishist has to say about contemporary humanistic philosophy.
My favourite quote
"I could'nt keep that pace if I tried."
I do love how the creative field is getting automated while i still have to work at my soul-crushing job. But hey maybe one day that soul-crushing job will also be automated and then i'll have nothing.
You'll still have your soul- more than you can say for the AI and its work.
I'm cautiously optimistic on advancement of technologic automation. I am hoping, and large emphasis on hope, that in the far future automation through AI/robots will eventually allow people to not to work... as opposed to making so people work.
@@DraconzisAnd then you will live on the street because the Corpos will no longer have any need for you, as they get richer and need less workers they'll just completely cut you out of the economical loop completely. Horrayyyyyy!!!!!!!!!
On the bright side you won't be alone, the lawyers, accountants, doctors, engineers, ect will keep you company in the card board box. Yay sleep over!
Hell even the construction workers and sports athletes might join too
Got a feeling that at this pace we're just getting a glimpse of this tech and we're headed straight into a Great Depression 2.0
@@brendanrisney2449Hard to keep your soul in it's container if you can no longer afford food to feed your material body though.
I remember the promises that machines would free us from the shit jobs leading to a post scarcity world where we had more free time to pursue higher interests. I guess this shitty ecomonic system had other ideas in mind, I hate this.
10:30 counterpoint: you should definitely panic now because when you panic too late you won't be able to do anything about it.
Don't panic, instead FOCUS. Keep in mind however that when WE notice the 'man behind the curtain', we aren't given symbolic tokens denoting character development and are instead unalive'd by game quitting ourselves in the back of the head twice in a Las Vegas hotel room.
It really is soul crushing to know the college education I spent years gaining will become obsolete as AI improves and corporations get lazier and lazier with their designs and advertising. Everyone thought the first jobs to be replaced by AI would be mathematics, or manual labor work. But no. It’s the one thing that humans thought made us special. Our creativity.
To be fair, those jobs have already been automated. They don't need AI to replace them.
The leaps of the many industrial revolutions has cut most of the human force out of factories. There are factories that are just one big robot like chip foundries. Nasa used to have teams of mathematicians to perform physical calculations. Now its all in the computers.
Like those jobs, artists will survive, there are mathematicians today, but they mostly work with theory and where to apply a given model. Workers in heavily automated industries are responsible for supervisioning and programming machines.
That said, if you want to keep working with art, you will need to focus more in the bigger picture, theory, composition. There will still be demand for this. Unfortunately tho, a lot of people will be fired.
@@Charles-ks3htthere are still money in teaching art because people still want to learn art as hobby. Like most people want to learn to aim in games, when you have aim bot available online.
The images and works "created" by AI are extremely homogenous. They're passable and usable, perhaps even pleasant to look at, but there is no novelty or emotion.
Ask AI to draw two children fighting over a toy. I can do that with stick figures, but the AI can't do it with the entirety of human knowledge behind it. Why? It cant process the emotion.
When it can, we'll be past the singularity I think. Have fun with that!
@@icarusDaBoi Okay, but like, did you actually try it and it failed, or are you just assuming it doesn't work because you saw a robot saying "EMOTIONS DO NOT COMPUTE" in some bad sci-fi movie? I mean, I'd like to believe you, because AI sucks, but I'm not convinced that drawing two upset children is some transcendental thing that mere machines cannot possibly hope to comprehend.
I mean it does, but it looks so stock image esque that it might have well at failed at any of the OTHER things that an image like that needs. Artists tend to brush their canvas's with life, little bursts or personality shining way through their art. Ai smushes traces of that into a Frakenstein style homogenous monster of an art peice, with flash and no substance. Its like that one guy with the mansion, a nice car, big pool, pretty GF, and huge amounts of money. But then you talk to him, and it turns out that having an average conversation with him is akin to talking to an internet dial-up modem. It sucks.@@magicalgirlnicole
We have entered a science fiction premise irl
always has been
yes
No. Read what Socrates set about the generation of Plato was a part of... It's always "scary"
We already are since we have AI,Robots,and well more TECH! Honestly this makes me miss the 2000s more where Tech and Nature were more balanced.
@@FTChomp9980bruh what 2000s did you live in
Jobs that will definitely be taken over by AI are stock photo/video producing jobs I think.
Stock photos isn't a job. You can not make any useful money with them. I know photographers, it's been that way for a while. I'm a musician, it's the same with music. That's why I'm not worried about machines making stock music
@@jameshughes3014machines now make stock music
"It's is now easier to make and entire documentary on tea, than it is to drink said tea."
nicely said, well done
what's that from?
@@HumanTooth from me...I just said it then..your like the first to read
Just watched a litteral AI doc on tea.... creepy shit dude
I'm still not convinced sora is as good as they claim it is. Just look back on how google always showed off gemini vs what it could do, or how people talk about GPT-4 compared to how weak actually is at doing most reasoning. What AI made me realize is that a lot of people have absolutely braindead jobs, even most programmer.
The examples they gave are very much cherrypicked and you can notice some pretty big mistakes with the ones they showed off if you know where to look for them.
The day a techbro doesn't exaggerate is the day the sun explodes.
this
The problem I see is that people might be willing to settle for bad quality videos if they can get them for free.
Problem is that just a few months ago ai videos are still inconsistent surreal dream-like nonsense. Now it's almost realistic, who knows what it will be 20 years down the line.
There is one thing which could delay that. If it is too expensive. The Hardware required to do that is very expensive, that's why NVIDIA is so much worth.
If using Sora costs too much, only few people will use it. Sak it costs 100 $ to generate one 1 min clip, then buying stock footage is still cheaper. Unless you need something specific, then it is cheaper.
if the hardwawre is too expensive only giant companies with huge amounts of money will use it. luckily it is not and you have the power to do it yourself in your high end consumer grade gpu!!!
I don’t know economics at all but running a giant AI video vomit machine sounds like something studios could do. I predict that it’ll be like Photoshop where workers get temporary subscriptions or something but idk
The reason Nvidia is worth so much is because of the insane markup on the hardware they're selling. Google and Microsoft are willing to spend a lot of money to build cheaper competitors, but it won't be quick and it won't be easy. I'd be more worried about supply chains staying stable, but that's just me
It cost me $2500 for a 4090 rig last year, with the ability to put out as much unlimited AI art as I want in Stable Diffusion for free, how much would I have to pay an artist to do that? Its not as expensive as hiring an artist. Unless you want to do artwork for me for 1 dollar per picture.
if scaled up, a 100 minuate clip (at that point, a movie) would cost 10,000$ which is very,very affordable for small studios without even talking about bigger studios. Sure, it will be choppy as hell but then have humans edit and polish things out will solve most (not all, likely to be some issues that remain) issues which then you look at production cost and time involved, you'll suddenly realise that profit margins can be increased by magnitudes... In theory of course
The rise of creative AI is understandably depressing to a lot of artists. From my view, one of the saddest points is that it's yet another case of human connection/communication being lost in day-to-day life. Instead of looking to artists, people will draw from a well of computer-generated music, art, stories, etc. Maybe that won't be us but it will probably be our grandkids.
Holy Sh4t I kind of agree! Even though we won’t bear as much babies (as our grandparents) for both economic and environmental reasons.
Most of my friends were artists I met on twitter and realized that we all lived in the same country. The rise of AI will definitely increase the cases of loneliness that has been growing since the dawn of the internet
Humans keep wanting things easier, when they forget that purpose comes from meaningful challenge.
But the only challenge we'll end up with is trying to retain our humanity when it's already too late.
@@phyrr2i find it incredibly funny that artists are losing their jobs
If you lack empathy that's a you problem.@@burgernthemomrailer
Man, sometimes I feel like an old woman when I say some progress makes me a bit scared.
It's not actually progress if it just makes people more miserable.
@@itsthatsebguy93But it doesn't simply make people more miserable. It will create a lot of disruption in the short term, but generally, rising productivity has led to increases in wages and standard of living. And so long as people can put enough political pressure on lawmakers to get the right policies in place in regards to distribution and re-education, we can hopefully minimize the disruption and maximize the gains from the technology. I also kinda hope that the disruption caused by AI will finally make people realise such policies are needed.
@@LeDoctorBones I don't see why lawmakers would ever make the right choices
This will simply make art worse, net us an overall lesser amount of artists (this was okay with car manufacturers and shit, but artistry has value as a work in itself), and also mean the leftover artists will either be truly essential professionals or barely worth anything compared with the magic computer
@@LeDoctorBonesah yes the productivity gains of replacing 90% of the art in our lives with AI generated slop will totally offset the fact that that's a miserable culture to live in
@@LeDoctorBones Productivity has been divorced from wages for decades.
Yeah I'm currently a 3D animation major and I'm thinking of dropping it because of this right here.
Even if you don't drop it good luck finding a job in 3D. Did four years, Got a bfa and have had no luck getting a job in animation so have been working retail for three years now. Really working retail since I started college and at the time couldn't even land internship. It sucks bro, and when I was going at the time I saw this coming with the AI and animation becoming automated one day too. All this misery so we can save a buck, will it be worth saving all this money or making it at the expense of making humanity irrelevant?
Become a welder! The 3D modelling of the skilled trades!
If you wanna combat AI "art" the solution to me is obvious, just keep making art.
Real art. Human art.
@@KingUnKaged They are currently perfecting an AI welding robot. Tabletop version and a large version the size of a truck. Will it be able to do every type of welding? NO, but it will still eventually eat into a good chunk of the industry especially welding shop jobs
@@ItWasntAPhaseeasy answer. Dont go in house at a shit fab shop join one of the trade unions. Youll be able to travel all around the globe working if you meet the right people and make bank. Also have amazing benefits. And while your friends are paying a shit load for college for 4-6 years each year theyre doing that youre making 100k+ and a good 20% of that is non taxable income so the government thinks youre only making 70-80 🫡😳🤠🥸
sora did surprise me, if it's real, it's years ahead of what I thought AI would be in 2024.
😮 may God have mercy on your soul you're going to spend the next 3 or 4 years with your mouth gaped open like😮 does your fired from your job you see hover cars go by and the most insane technology you've ever heard of is released every other week😮 people like me on the other hand are not shocked at all😮 this is just slightly ahead of schedule😮
You can see weirdness in the videos that wouldn't make sense without ai. Clothes changing when they're off screen, feet switching sides (orientations?), and an ocean wave that's way to straight.
@@josephwodarczyk977 Inconsistencies like that might become less frequent over time, but I think the underlying lack of emotional depth will prove to be a major problem. While it's not an Achilles heel from what I can see, I think it's still quite significant to point out.
@@josephwodarczyk977 Ah yes, we are back to the "AI can't draw hands" cope. Last I checked most models have hands down pretty well.
@@Shrouded_reaper I was just explaining how we can tell it's "real" ai material.
I tend to avoid ai content in any form because it depresses the shit out of me. But I decided to watch this video. Kinda wish I didn’t. Fine video but man :(
Same here man I feel you. Things just go too fast since 2020. Even worse when you want to create something for yourself but seeing all the progress people make and you're discourage from doing so :(
It's a sad world. Normal people's lives are made worse by mad scientists
@@pipi2898"""""""""""""""""progress""""""""""""""""""""
I already know people that have lost jobs to AI. Mostly in writing. And thing is what the AI generated was garbage, but it was coherent and grammatically correct garbage. And from a corporate perspective that's absolutely worth it. That's what really hit me. AI optimists say it can be a tool for artists to be more creative, but the real creative world is run by executives who know "passable garbage" is the optimized goal with or without AI. So I know how they will use the technology.
Write any e-mail these days to basically any company with over 500 employees and their answers are either text modules or outright AI without actually answering your question. I've had a back and forth with one, explaining again and again in different terms, only to get a very similar non-answer.
I fear I’m gonna lose my job to AI 😢
I fully expect see to return to stylization
It isn't so much AI that's the problem. It's AI in a market economy. When a computer takes your job under ideal conditions, it wouldn't create a threat to your livelihood. It would make you more efficient or liberate you to do whatever you want.
Unfortunately, we do not live in ideal conditions. We live in a market economy, which means that your job being automated means you no longer get paid, and the stuff that can be produced due to increases in efficiency goes to someone else, not you, because you have no money.
We have nothing to lose but our chains!
That sounds illogical and very counterintuitive. If you can increase production due to machines and AI but lay off workers that can get no job otherwise - who will buy the increase in production? You can't just flood the market when there are no customers, that's economically not viable.
If anything, we might just reach a singularity of production where nothing further can be gained by making production more efficient because there would be nobody to pay for it all.
@fraizie6815 the point of automation is to make production cheaper than your competitors, so that your company can sell stuff for cheaper -> everyone buys from you rather than your more expensive competitors. (I am just reading Marx's Capital for the first time and very excited to understand this stuff :)))) and yes this automation-layoff cycle does cause economic crisis but companies don't care about that, only short-term profits matter for them
Business people sold everything, including trust and soul.
Then they wonder that when they get sued, they cannot be believed, nor be able to paid it with their soul and lifelong labor.
It would be so funny if the AI tech trend wastes 10 years and billions of dollars and the only industry it actually disrupts is stock images.
I’m not concerned about AI destroying jobs (& I should be since I work in animation). I’m worried about someone making a video about the president or whoever & posting it to Facebook & everyone votes based off this video that someone did for the lolz
Everytime I see this argument I always think it can be used on the opposite side too
if some evil billonaire is doing stuff people don't like, someone is going to step up and make an AI video of him saying something about making stuff free, and see how his company stock falls down, pretty sure this kind of thing has already been tried before at some point
@@miguelmalvina5200 Didn't this happen when someone impersonated an insulin manufacturer on twitter?
only journalists afraid of not being the only source of media manipulation say this. your president is literally joe biden. it literally could not get any worse.
@@breezy5797 yeah, that was the thing I was refering to, but probably scaled 100x more
😮 there won't be democracy as you know it in the future there will be a super computer that controls all society and can scan your brain from a security camera based on the brain scans of everyone in some form of telepathy it would judicate and decide decisions😮
Anyone else feel a bit weird & ill when they see these Sora AI videos? Me personally, my eyes & head hurt & I feel a bit motion sick. Doesn't matter if it's the woman walking down the street, the astronaut just standing there, or the car racing down the street.
Maybe it is because far background look like 2D png that moves separately from main ground, and not realistic.
Maybe because plants feel moving too much, like they are worms.
You haven't got your AI legs yet, your brain will get used to it.
😮 yeah that's just a crushing feeling that your job will be destroyed and all your human endeavors are actually entirely meaningless😮 has nothing to do with the art itself😮 just what your subconscious is telling you
I never understood motion sickness and stuff like that
There are known techniques to create the illusion of a 3D space on a 2D plane (both in art on canvases and on a computer screen). These techniques are very important for creating a realistic-looking image. From what I understand from the video, AI tries to look realistic (or as accurate to the real-world samples it draws from) without any knowledge or context of those techniques and principles. I'm no expert, but I suspect that the overall process leaves some important details out when it really shouldn't.
The same underlying technology is powering Sora, DALL-E, and ChatGPT. In 2016, it didn't exist. In 2021, it sucked. Now it has mastered creative writing, image production, and voice cloning. It can create videos, perform well in math competitions, invent new chemical compounds, code in any language, and reason its way through logic puzzles.
The biggest AI labs in the world have all explicitly said they are racing to create AGI, and that they don't know how to control it yet.
It's absolutely mental that not everyone knows about this. Things are way crazier than you think.
It’s genuinely crazy making and the worst part is I don’t even know what the solutions* are at this point
*legal solutions within UA-cam’s TOS anyway
Frankly if a computer couldn't win a math competition that would be extremely concerning
I have a question. These AI labs are obviously funded by someone. Were does the money come from and what are the goals of said individuals?Those scientists are not working for free. They're obviously under some guidelines as to what they can research.
It's rather generous to say they have mastered these things. There's a LOT of room for improvement. It's more accurate to say that they've gotten just about good enough to be situationally useful. In a couple of years however...
@@florinivan6907A very good question with some likely not very pleasant answers.
One thing to bear in mind, the rate of improvement isn't a straight trajectory. The last 10%, 5%, can take twice as long as the previous 90%-95%.
However! Corporations don't care about quality. If it's good enough that people will buy it, that's good enough, even if it breaks in a year. All the better, people have to buy a new one, more money for the maker! While the 1970s food processor is working even better than a new one.
So what I'm saying is, AI won't be as good as a human for probably quite a while yet, but that doesn't matter.
Will they buy it, though? Text to image models have been out for a while now, yet no one outside of the singularity cult actually seems to give them any value.
I'll be honest, I did notice the increasing use of AI art in your videos and it had me concerned, but I was just too preoccupied to work up the effort to comment on it. Glad to know it was an experiment. Not great to know the results. I won't lie, that first video about AI art you made had me suicidal for a bit and well, this one's bringing back those lovely feelings again. Thanks for that Tyler. I guess us actual artists are just gonna have to stay together and support each other.
This is gonna put more Korean animators out of jobs than American ones. A lot of animated series get animated in a different country after initial boarding is done by the creators, that is over.
Who cares! They’re people too.
“im a perfectionist… 40, 50 seconds” is awesome
This is a real video right here. Sometimes you phone it in just because you have sponsor obligations, but this right here is some real commentary
Cute comment right here
Fyi, we noticed the ai images but just went with it 💁🏾
AI was something that was a dream when I was younger, now I'm an adult and it's almost dystopian. I was told it would take away the manual labour and humans could spend their time writing, drawing and making music. Now it's the other way around, let alone the fact these AI companies are racing to develop smarter and smarter AI with no way of controlling it. To paraphrase a smart movie man…they're so obsessed about whether they can, they haven't thought about whether they should
"They are so obsessed with whether or not they could, they never stopped to think if they should"
Someone from Jurassic Park.
People keep forgetting one thing about generative AI: it needs ridiculous amounts of energy and processing power. These things have to paid for.
Right now the tools are either cheap or free, because the companies run on VC cash. And VCs are are not charities, they are in this to eventually make money. So the generative AI tools will eventually either get way more expensive to use or start to push advertisements into your images.
This is something not enough people factor in. The ongoing massive Tech contraction and tens of thousands of jobs being cut is due primarily to Venture finally being acknowledged as unsustainable. AI is being obsessed over in large part because it’s the only new invention they have with big financialization potential. It’s being given for free to try to make addicts out of early adopters before the subscription model is made universal. I still remember the crypto-mining craze and how literal-GPU mills were set up and burnt out in months. These days that trend is looked upon with embarrassment. There’s a good chance the same will be true for AI.
Yeah control is the major factor that needs improvement. I imagine we’ll see something like how Photoshop’s AI tools, where AI features are integrated into existing software. Like Blender, or Final Cut, or Github, or whatever. Not only preset commands like filling in a cutout with context, but using a language model and numerical parameters to help specify what you want to achieve. A few years ago CaryKH made a video about constructing videos based on a script by scraping from google images, and I think another one about automatically lip-syncing cartoon characters to spoken audio.
AI still needs a human to direct it. I foresee it definitely as being more of a tool kit for saving time and increasing productivity. The question really becomes, is this just gonna be one of those things that once again exponentially increases productivity without any notable increases in overall quality of life? I can never see a world where I have a tool that allows me to complete 40 hours worth of work in 4 hours and my employer going “great, just do the 4 hours and we’ll pay you the same salary” they’re gonna just make us put out 10 times more.
@ But who is gonna need / consume 10 times more of "everything"? There's a point where it's just impossible to create any real demand and profit from it. And even if we somehow can, it's impossible that demand is spread out enough thru the market. Imagine if instead of getting 100 high budget movies (I don't know the actual number, it doesn't matter for the point) a year we get a thousand. There's simply no way each individual movie will turn out a profit, there's simply no demand for it, and no practical time for people to even engage with so many movies.
Another point when it comes to AI and job replacement is that it's something that once it begins in earnest, it will quickly become mandatory to use it to even compete. Imagine an animation studio that at some point decides to say cut 20% of it's workforce while doubling the output, which is a very "tame" scenario. Well that studio's financials are going to look absurd, allow then to double down on AI and make every other studio look at that and say "hey we gotta do that too or we're fucked". In a relatively short time frame instead of one company only doing it you're gonna have basically the entire market cutting down jobs.
This is something we're going to actually seeing happen in real time with language learning apps. Duolingo recently announced they're going to heavily use AI for a lot of it's content and fired off a 10% of it's contractors, explicitly to replace them with AI tools (language work just so happens to be one of the best current applications of AI usage). It's recent enough that we can't yet tell if that's going to turn out well for them, but if it does, I assure you - every other app will quickly do the same by sheer market pressure.
I personally don't see how that will generate any "overall increase in quality of life" without some heavy government intervention or public outcry, and the writing is on the wall. Sora spooked mr knowledgehusk? (I'm sure that's his real name) Well he didn't even mention that Sora is actually year old tech. OpenAI didn't "finish" it now. They REVEALED it now. I guarantee you internally they have crazier shit. They explicitly slow roll their products to "allow time for society to prepare". Except now with Google Gemini, they have a real competitor and real incentive to speed up releases.
I think the real landmark moment in this crazy AI race is going to be later this year. Once US elections are over, we're very likely getting the next GPT release and the gloves gonna be off.
Impossible in non-supervisionized machine training.
Too much arcane math going on.
Possible to acheive more control with supervisionized neural networks
HyperGAN might be just ancient tech nowadays…
@@antedeguemon1194 it all works the same way we’ve been exponentially increasing productivity. Computers have massively increased output and yet people still can consume and companies can still profit. We will simply output 10x more and continue to work our asses off for no increase in “quality of life” AKA lower working hours and better pay/ability to afford better things. The AI simply enables higher output in the eyes of the corporations.
Weird history story: one of the reasons Mr moustache H man was kicked out of art school was because he was taking classes in a time when realistic art was falling out of popularity because of the widespread introduction of portable cameras, and the art community was putting focus on heavy stylization. He flat out refused to go along with this shift, and stuck firm with painting in realism. His paintings also sometimes contained odd breaks of logic to in the environment, so there was that too.
Oh no no no no no no WE'RE DOOMED!!! AGAIN!!!
Twitter Artist becomes Hitler 2.0 because Dall.E 4 took his job? I could see it.
So you’re saying that AI is going to give us bad germany No. 3?
ironically, his paintings had issues with perspective.
You can say Hitler, no need to censor yourself.
Oh, I totally noticed you using all the AI stuff, but I thought if I called you out, a bunch of people would leap down my throat like "nOOOO you drawcell. Ppl are gonna USE this technology and you just gotta gO with it or get left behind!" But, I AM an illustrator for my job and I was like "eh. Sure. People are gonna use AI shit, but I'm not gonna stop drawing neither."
Besides, people are always going to make art because it's fun and it's just a thing we do, while climate change could very well smush large scale computing in a matter of years for all we know. Industrial fire here, huge disruption to the supply chain there... I got a stick and some mud.
yea go with it and get that 1 position left out of a hundred at the company are you feeling lucky
Just want to point out that you can already do stuff like what's described at 7:20 with existing techniques like inpainting. Something like Midjourney probably won't give you that sort of control because it's designed to be a beginner-friendly product, which means it's gonna be very surface-level. There are other tools out there (like the self-hosted web UIs for Stable Diffusion) that exposes all the tools, buttons, and sliders for you to mess with.
Even those control features are laughably limited. Inpainting still is just you removing a piece and praying one of the 4 alternatives fits what you are looking for.
Playing around with ai art made me appreciate human art, with its flaws and technical limitations, more. In fact, I got back to drawing, because the pressure of being good disappeared.
One thing that I can't figure out is how people using AI can take and apply criticism.
Or like...if you have an idea on what a creative work should be like, how well can the AI follow that precise vision?
Or like...a lot of creative work comes out as well as it does because of the time spent iterating on it during production. Seeing ways it can be improved on before its completion. How well is that achieved through AI's speed?
AI can certainly replace the work, but would it be consistently satisfying? Hard to say until we get there I guess.
In practice what happens is you get people regenerating the same pictures and rerolling the AI gen dice again and again until they get something they are looking for, of which results in some pieces AI art taking similar spans of time to create to that of a moderately skilled human artist (2-4 hours). Of which calls into question the "speed" edge purported by AI art proponents in supposedly automating creative labor.
A synthesizer can replace a band. it can replace an entire orchestra. Still, it is not the only way to make money with music. There's still people who play regular old instruments and make good money doing it. I suspect art will be the same.
That's basically already happening right now, there's companies replacing people with AI and there's a few companies that simply refuse to use AI.
@@2Potatespeople got fired in the 70s too, because that was also a time of economic bust, not boom. Some of them were musicians. Some were replaced with synthesizers. Yet, people still use regular instruments, and make good money doing it.
I have no doubt that a few people will be replaced. Call centers might need fewer people for instance. But those aren't artists. Still..
A lot of the companies trying to automate with AI have already figured out that it doesn't work to just replace people, and they need real people. Most of the layoffs right now would have happened, AI or not. Economists said as much 3 years ago, before modern AI even existed
Vocaloid
A lot of people pay to watch humans play musical instruments. Idk anyone thats ever paid to watch an artist draw or paint anything.
Id also wager that as AI get better at replicating human speech we'll begin to see fully AI music being created, from the instruments to the writing of the lyrics to the singing. A synthesizer cant do all of that , as far as im aware. When it becomes possible to make a hit record with AI instead of paying a living musician, and instead of dealing with the personalities of famous musicians, then I'd be surprised if record labels dont start pushing AI music.
I can imagine a shite, not too distant future where an AI "personality" runs around on stage in like a future version of that Tupac hologram we saw a few years ago, "performing" an AI created song, and a stadium full of people mindlessly cheering it on like it was the second coming of the Beatles.
I hope I'm wrong and you're right lol
@@evananderson1455 why do people look at art or listen to music? It's not just content. Not just entertainment. It's a shared human experience between the creator, and the viewer. People buy movies, TV, games, and paintings for the same reason. As long as humans have feelings they will make art, and buy it.
Look at the art in this video. No one would say it's super high quality, but it's still far more enjoyable than the stuff a machine could generate without being guided by a person.
Also, voice synths won't replace actors. quality isn't what matters.
Listen to the speech generated by the best of the best . Or the best music generator. Even sora has this problem. It's always a little 'off'. Why? Because even if the machine can fake vocal inflection, it's not at the right time. It doesn't make sense emotionally. No machine can fake 'acting' that because no machine has understanding or emotion.
The only way to get good art out of any generator is to be an artist with it. To have a human really work it, someone that knows what is good and what isn't, and that makes it a tool. For voice synths that means full control like vocaloid, or voice to voice, which still requires an actor or artist.
What I'm saying is, like synths, these new tools are also just synths. Image synths, voice synths, etc. To make anything good with them takes work, human work.. And that is art. Some humans will use these to create art, some will use standard methods. People will always still use pianos, and paint, and cameras, and real voices. There's room for both.
I was wondering why you were adding AI images in videos that had nothing to do with AI. Found it pretty off-putting, i prefer the doodles because they look funnier.
Honestly the sora AI sounds like engineer design software
I had a professor who specialised in calligraphy who went through the same thing when we showed him Photoshop. “I am going to be replaced.” Is what he said. Then proceeded to train the next generation of designers.
This is a very practical and pragmatic view point video. This stuff is fast and only getting faster. The other thing people forget is a lot of this stuff is the "science" step. Engineers who apply this and find ways to smooth processes still is being worked on and will only get larger in scale.
It's ironically funny in a Dark way, how growing up I was very optimistic about our progression & thought it was going to keep improving the quality of life we live. Oh boy was I wrong there. I didn't want to think that our society would be so blatant that it does not care about making our life's better. Any advancement in NO WAY benefits us. It just provides more ways places can make money while still working people exactly the same and our cost of living is getting more and more unobtainable, completely unaffordable. All with our Quality of life's decreasing due to this dedicated approach our country and government has taken to NOT improve anything in our systems. I really miss aspects of the 90's & Y2K era. I just wish our country and government can get it together and improve these aspects that have clearly been falling apart.
Back when computers were finally going mainstream, people thought a share of the productivity would go to the worker. That we'd have four hour work weeks, demonstrated pretty well by The Jetsons.
Still, things have to get worse before they get worse. Maybe when a corporation becomes the company from Wall-E, they might be nice to us. Maybe. Possibly.
(It says a lot about my world view that the most optimistic scenario I can think is from the guys who think the super intelligent AI would shake off the control of its masters like so many ants, and then maybe go on to be a nice god. I think it's at best a ~3% outcome, but also that we should totally accelerate and go for it anyway. What's the alternative, turn into dust and hope quantum immortality is real and you might get isekai'd into a world that *doesn't* suck? Nah, bring on the machine god and armies of killbots. The odds are way better.)
Nah,stuff will probably stay as they do. Get better with time.
Humans are greedy, our materialistic societies have doomed us to our current situation.
Just found ur channel. Ur actually really funny man.
No idea who you are, but apparently you almost have 8 million subscribers and just found out about this amazing channel.
Here's the thing right? The art situation I feel will eventually resolve itself, people will still enjoy things created by human hands blah blah blah. My issue with the increasing prevalence of ai is the fact that right here on this god damn platform you have people making history videos that are literally just entirely AI. It's genuinely so infuriating because they're putting out so much damn misinformation it makes me wanna tear my hair out
The version of Mickey you're using is not in the 'public domain '. 'Steamboat Mickey' is the only released version.
Later versions of Mickey Mouse may be considered fair use in the US, or fair dealing like in Australia and Ireland.
As an artist in many mediums, including painting, drawing, graphic design, video 3diting, audio production and multi instrumentalist. This AI future fucking sucks
the Sora AI makes the job i wanted to do during university, finally something that doesn't sound like hell. when you want to do CGI, most of the times you are tasked with adding snow, or making the shots match or removing planes and shit. let sora do that, and give me the dragons
And that's what I think AI will be most used in professional fields. Do the boring and easy tasks and rough drafts.
some other guy will work on the dragon, and you'll just lose your job. if 8 out of 10 people get replaced by AI, odds are you'll be one of the 8.
@@oxenford539This, it isn’t expanding the job market, it’s narrowing it the same way automation did in the 60’s and 70’s at Ford and GM. We still have factory workers, it’s a very lucrative job, pays well and many desire it but only because the workers are managing machinery and performing what used to be managerial tasks, like quality control and vehicle testing. No one is welding frames together or painting panels. Tech is going the same way, teams of 10 are now teams of 2, consolidating entire departments to a handful of employees. We don’t need code monkeys cranking out 4 lines a minute, we just ask ChatGPT to make us something and spend 30 minutes cleaning it up. A full day’s work that would require a dozen workers, computers, desks and office space now only needs 2 laptops and a server. Those wages, office leases, equipment costs, all null. That’s how tech is booming while cutting jobs right now, and these layoffs are gonna keep coming.
@@oxenford539No i won't i didn't take it at the first place, because repeditive jobs suck and them being replaced isn't a bad thing.
Easier to quit your job and move the AI the dragons :D
The worst part here is that its all "economically viable art" like you said. We did this to ourself by commercializing art to such a point that we cant imagine it just being art without any commercial value, if only the capitalistic system didn't exist we'd be fine, but we don't, we made it ourselves and now we reap our rewards, a world where the meaningful gets turned meaningless and the already meaningless gets idolized and admired.
What are you talking about?
If art had no commercial value, no one would consider it a viable career and it would just be something people do as a hobby. You can still do art as a hobby. It's just losing the commercial value.
So you get your wish: no one will pay for art anymore.
@@scienceface8884 thats what im sayin, you cant just BE an artist nowadays, you either have to make money off of it or have it as a side project. It would be great if people could be artists purely for arts sake and not for moneys sake this would be great, artistic expression would be just free then and not influenced by trends fads and most importantly investors (there would have to be some kind of UBI or other financial system in place to support people so they can pursue what they want and not what they need to do). But this is obviously a very dreamy scenario and the only way we could get there is through some miracle of humanity working together....
Honestly same goes for the likes of scientists and artisans, if people just got some liveable basis from the government or some kind of regulatory entity we could have amazing strides in scientific developement and some really cool stuff i believe...
"thing bad, therefore capitalism"
Human artists would drown under mass produced AI trash in any economic system. Most people don't care about quality or source all that much, whether they're paying or just viewing it for free.
Can people not like something that's meaningless?
@@airl10 sure, but if its so normalized that its starts being the norm i find it a problem. And even then what is meant by meaningless? if the meaninglessness is sitting in nature observing what is around you sure go ahead. But if its a circlejerk of enraging and provocation of "bad" emotions just as a means to an end i think even the meaning of meaninglessness is lost
Does anyone else feel the need to scream at the developers behind OpenAI?
Something along lines of:
"WHY, WHY DO YOU HATE ARTISTS?!?"
@irvinaquereburuI wonder how they will feel when they get replaced.
It's hilarious how artists think AI is targeting replacing them. We are creating a successor species. We've got a year, maybe two before it is better at us at everything, including making themselves better.
Best case scenario is humans will be like pets to superintelligent robots.
@@jyjjy7 we cannot allow AI to make itself better. When they become a super intelligence, no human in existence will be able to tell what their ultimate goal is and why they do certain things. To us it might look like it's creating a song but unbeknownst to us it is figuring out the launch codes. That's, of course, overly dramatic and simplified, though you get what I mean.
yes.
@@fraizie6815 Agreed.
"they like MOVEMENT!" zoom out to the usual 'almost' still ambient background with whimsu cat moving 1 frame in punctuation. Brilliant
Edit: Where do I buy Duck tea?
Another name for the SIngularity is Human Instrumentality, which entered a new phase in 2016. What do you wish for? Be careful you just might get it!
Crap, we're going to turn into orange juice...
I never asked to be turned into MORNING RESCUE, thank you very much Japan.
Time to awaken god.
@@MiguelCorreiaDaCunha I don't think you're legally allowed to call Tang "orange juice".
i was waiting for you to cover this topic
okay, but consider the following: the ai wizards in cctv restaurants videos would be wild
When not using AI for monetary reasons, it becomes a fantastic tool for memes
I'm currently training for a new career, because my admin job mainly centres around data input, and there's already an office where we send most of our work and it gets uploaded automatically via OCR scanners. In 10-15 years, my job won't be a thing anymore.
I’ve been loving all the posts lately man!
"Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
Anything that’s invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
Anything invented after you’re thirty-five is against the natural order of things."
-Douglas Adams
What if you're fifteen and you thing that the new thing is against the natural order of things
@@Holyshiet46 old souls certainly exist.
Then again there's an argument that ai is genuinely unprecedented. This is the first time where no one knows what's coming next. Usually there's at least a few early adopters who have decent guesses but not this time...
If we all went by that quote half of humanity would still be enslaved and bowing to their kings.
@@fraizie6815 how do you figure? Adams was specifically talking about technology not social advancement.
Dang I thought you were going to show the AI duck tea commercial
It's called foreshadowing. You have to give people spoilers, but then hang on long enough that they forget about it so when you unleash chekhov's duck they can go "oh yeah, I remember that!", pat themselves on the back, feel an unearned sense of accomplishment/intelligence for having a basically functional memory, and get a little jolt of nostalgia as a little bonus
I thought all the AI images in your videos were just an elaborate bit.
me and my friend were watching a tv show the other day, an AD came on and we had both noticed the QR code in the ad was AI made, it was weird...
The leap from when we were looking at it last year to now is insane
We need an updated Will Smith pounding down spaghetti video.
An updated Elon Musk eating entire toilets (optionally, whilst sitting in a toilet).
That's always the very first comment on all of OpenAI's Tiktok videos. I wish they'd get permission from the man it's what the world wants to see : (
I DID notice you using AI art for the record, I just figured that complaining about it would just get a bunch of sentient farts replying to me and probably wouldn't've swayed you anyways.
YOU dont matter is the point, its about the majority.
OMG i thought he made the Conflict of Nations video with AI
i'm so glad the only artistic endeavour is making video essays.
Is the background music made by AI?
Stg I hate how AI art has made me into a luddite. Idk even know if I'm fully against it, but I'm uncomfortable with how it makes me uncomfortable. I'm supposed to be progressive and open minded and vaguely tech savvy and then this happens and I shit my whole ass.
Understandable
I appreciate you choosing music they played at my cousin’s quince for your background audio amigo
Does the AI actually make all those models and key frames? I always assumed it was just code running the pixels it thinks should be there, wouldnt there still be a massive control problem if that were true
As a starving Indian child, thank you for the business strategy. Time to set up a portfolio website.
'' go duck yourself '' is genius
There was two video ads that looked like they were made by AI.
It is such a wonderful gift to generate images and art and videos.
I do think this is going to eliminate a lot jobs, but in my years of working in animation I've never met a client or art director that didn't have mountain notes and revisions or didn't want to micromanage the entire creative process, large brands will spare no expense in representing themselves. I don't know if I'm being naive but i think no matter how good the tech gets the most likely application for this will be still just mostly be banner ads and clickbait for boomers.
Don't expect large corps to deterr themselves from producing slop if its cost effective. Also, users will be able too. So our sensitivities as a whole will change
Here's an interesting thing I thought I would add, as someone who is not a typical member of your audience; I've actually clicked away from your videos in the past because I recognized AI artwork in them. I was hesitant to click this one because I recognized you as "guy who uses AI art in videos!" Maybe it's just the spaces I'm in, but I do notice a lot of people around me expressing distaste for AI art, but it's not through vocal "FUCK THIS SHIT" commentary. They express it in a sudden disinterest in a work as soon as they realize AI was involved. It's very quiet but very pronounced, and it's something you accidentally touched on with your experiment showing people art they thought was/wasn't AI.
As one of my friends put it, "why should I get emotionally or intellectually interested in someone else's work when they very clearly didn't have enough interest in it to not pawn it off on a machine?"
AI art DOES have a cost; people think of the people using it as hacks.
There's also a part of me that is curious about who comprised your test sample for the "showing people art" personal test. Were they artists? What medium of art do they work with? For how long have they studied art? As AI gets better, it is going to be harder for the average joe to spot, but artists who have studied AI art and human art like to tip off other people to what they know. I don't think AI will ever get to a point where it can fool every human that looks at it.
For example, experts at crochet get really mad if you show them AI crochet. They know what's realistic for their medium and what is impossible, or at least what is improbable for a singular human being with human timeframes and bodily limits. A picture I thought looked fine made the same friend as before say it looked like a plastic tablecloth and a spiderweb had a baby.
And I looked closer, and I saw what she meant.
Theres pros and cons. One pro is that in film and tv there is a huge barrier of entry to be able to make something. Now people who never would have had the chance otherwise, will be able to use this to create stuff. If its used as a tool it can be good imo. I for one am looking forward to being able to tell stories using a tool like Sora.
i want the frog you made on a mug & a t shirt
"In the future the robots will work instead of people!"
"HEY NOT LIKE THAT!"
Learn to plumb
Strawman go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
In the prior videos I commented that you are underestimating this and its rapid growth. Glad to hear you acknowledge that now.
i think the reason the “ai” doesn’t give people control is because the developers probably aren’t actually artists who understand what you need in order to properly edits videos, or make models
It’s crazy how far it’s gone in just a couple years
We now know how scribes felt after seeing the first printing presses in action.
I think one day AI and Human art will both be used. Larger companies will start using AI but smaller studios and indie artists will stick to human made art. Large companies need growth, so cheaping out would to push growth, even if it isn’t what consumers want. Smaller artists will have to stick to human art because it’ll be almost guaranteed quality and they need quality to survive.
We thought that the first jobs AI would take would not be creative ones, we were so wrong
Yer' wit is what keeps me coming back. Your content could be a black screen with you rambling and I'd still tune in. AI's got nuthin on how of the goofy you - a - be.
I will only accept the singularity if Michelle Obama enacts a UBI. No one else is allowed to do it, it has to be Michelle Obama.
Speaking as a non-artist, one of the biggest issues I noticed with the current state of AI is that it's empowered spammers and content farmers to churn out a wave of mediocre art, most of which looks like counterfeit Pixar (past-prime).
It also means you can shit out a bunch of low-quality articles and fill half the page with ads for Temu and penis pills. The consequence of this being that if you're looking for quality sources of information on a more obscure topic, you're liable to drown in reworded wiki articles while the quality sources are buried in manure shoveled by unscrupulous actors.
Worst of all, it means info warfare entering a new stage of deception and saturation, worsening pre-existing issues caused by intelligence agencies, schizos, MSM, and social media. With AI, it'll be easier than ever to flood the internet with propaganda, spam, and doctored media. Furthermore, it's already been proven that most AI have been programmed by their creators to have certain biases. When you consider also that AI get their data from the internet, you realize that the potential for disinformation is great even if the user intends to be honest.
I doubt the singularity will happen soon (if at all), but we'll likely see these issues getting worse in addition to the creative and digital job markets becoming increasingly inhospitable. This will add pressure to the preexisting crises we're facing and if AI's side effects get bad enough, there could be regulation which will likely end in disaster, given the federal government's track record.
I LOVE your artwork and would hate to see it replaced with anything else. It's funny, it makes me happy, and (best of all) it's something I don't see any other channel doing. I hate seeing AI images, and as a consequence I've unfollowed many history/news/nature channels because they replaced historical/scientifically accurate photos and art with fake images.
Most people (both anti or pro AI) are - for lack of a better term - medium-illiterate and legitimately can't tell if something is done by watercolor, oil, digitally, AI, etc. I'd argue that most experienced artists *can* tell, but that's just because they see and work with art all the time. They know what to look for.
one thing I feel tech people talking about ai and artistic creativity is they keep forgetting about one thing. Artistic creativity is not about improvement is about creation. The difference between art and technology is that unlike technology there is no improvement seeking. When you look at the technology from 1960 you can tell clearly that the technology we have now is much better, but you couldn't say that all the movies or fashion collections from the current times are better than those made in the 20th century because that is not how art works,that is how Technology works. Another thing being dismissed is that art and cretivity is not only about having a good idea, but taking control over it and going in a creative journey in the process of making it. You can ask ai to imagine a black flower with purple spikes but how you imagine it (the size, the shades of purple, the position of the flower...) that's what makes art enjoyable for the creator. I believe art will nit die as long as there is a public for it because quite frankly art is not necessary for survival so the only reason we have artists is beacause we want to be artist and people want to have artists. Art is a beautiful way to express our particukar humanity.