I was part of the brass band that performed the world premier of this concerto at Eton College many years ago. Yes, it was first performed with brass band and not wind band. Christian L was one of the finest talents I've ever shared a stage with. DB was there, too. Lots of interaction between composer and performer. Great memories.
It was a long time ago, but I performed with my band and Christian Lindgerg in the World Premiere of this concerto. I guess it was 1987 or 88, but will stand to be corrected on that. The event was hosted by the Trombone Society at Eton College, Windsor, UK. In the week before the gig Christian had visited Bristol where my band was based, for a rehearsal. He was a really nice guy. Very approachable. Chatted freely. I remember him being quizzed about his instrument. He had a bass trombone slide attached to a tenor body. The bell rim had had the wire removed. What a musician! For sure, he had all the technical attributes in spades, but what I remember is his beautiful phrasing and how musical he was, especially in the slow movement. On the day of the concert we travelled to Windsor and met him, again, for a brief afternoon rehearsal. At this rehearsal Derek Bourgeois was there. Someone the band knew very well, as he had been a conductor of ours at one time. Christian and Derek sparred frequently over how this should be done or that. All very friendly, I would add. Example 1: In the slow movement the tutti band plays the theme at fff. The soloist is resting. Christian, “Why am I not playing here?”. Derek, “You won’t be heard over the band as it is playing so loud at that point”. Christian, “You let me worry about that!”. He did play it and his beautiful sound sailed over the band, even when our 25 brass players were at full throttle. Example 2: The presto was marked at a steady tempo. Derek, “You’re playing too fast a tempo”. Christian, “OK. We’ll take it as marked conductor”. So we did, but afterwards....Christian in whisper to our band, “Tonight, we go very quick. Fast, ok?”. In the concert the presto motored. Faster than we’d ever played it. Really good experience overall. The next day I believe Christian recorded the concerto with a wind band somewhere in London.
@TheFrost769 Alessi and Lindberg are the two great CLASSICAL trombonists of our time. I think it is because they are masters of the same genre that they are the two most compared, even though they should not be. Zolton Kiss is younger and an amazing, yet more modern player.
Thanks man for putting both vids of this concert. Is there any way you could send me the notes of Bourgeois concert with piano score. We could exchange the notes as I have a lot of sheet music too, so if you're looking for something maybe I have it. Would be grateful for the notes.
Lindberg Doesn't really have a Trombone vibrato in my opinion. Its more of a Cornet or Euphonium vibrato...wider and faster than most trombone. I love it.
I saw Alessi in the University of Alabama last weekend. He truly does live up to his legend as a great player. He is very lively, but his eyebrows fly over his face as if planes fly through the sky.
I conversation with Geoffrey Brand, who conducted the original City of London Winds band recording, he revealed that not only did Lindberg do the piece in ONE take, but it was played on a STRAIGHT tenor (Conn 8H). All the more remarkable!!
Both Alessi and Lindberg play this piece beautifully... and that's saying a lot. This is a very challenging piece not only to play, but to also make music with. To the person that said that Lindberg is better because he makes all of his money playing his instrument and Alessi is only a teacher, shame on you! If it weren't for those "lowly teachers," you wouldn't even know what music is, let alone how to play it. Think twice before you put Alessi down for being a college professor.
@Waffl3Pr0ducti0ns I think you've got that assessment backwards. I don't think that either of them are "exactly by-the-music" by any means - they take full artistic licence, but out of the two of them Lindberg is by far the more adventurous simply by virtue of him being mostly a solo player. I think that might be what you meant to say.
Lol, upon seeing how argumentive the comment feed has become I feel like I would like to add my opinion. Alessi is technically, perfect. Hands down. Lindbergh isn't far from him, obviously. But what Lindberg holds over Alessi is his charisma as a player. Alessi is a strictly technical player. In my opinion. Also, I've never even able to enjoy listening to Zolton as I have Alessi or Lindberg, he's amazing, but he's nowhere near the level of Alessi and Lindberg.
heh, reminds me of high school debate on who should be first chair. Makes no sense to argue. I hate cottage cheese but Sparsamen might. (agreed with you btw)
I s'pose you're talking about the video with the comments about him taking it too fast? Yeah, it WAS too fast, like I posted earlier, and the tounging was pretty nasty, but his tone from the begining up to the 2nd variation was not bad at all. I'm sure it wasn't his first performance of the night... I mean c'mon, there's a video of Alessi of all people playing Blue Bells and sucking it up. He may have embochure issues, but if he had no tone he wouldn't be playing professionally.
Everyone and his taste. It is as same as i prefer an Euphonium and not a cello in Beethoven's 4th cello and piano sonata. Or as same i prefer a cello than a bassoon in Glinka's trio pathethique.
Have you ever LISTENED to Alessi or Lindberg? I think you may have confused your sentence by saying that Lindberg is 'exactly-by-the-music'. Go check out his version of Csardas (on youtube at /watch?v=9GnJ-xL7n3k) and be sure you are reading the violin music at the same time. Tell me that he is playing exactly as it is written.
I would deffinately this an amazingly technically accurate performance, however I would have to say that I really enjoy the Alessi performance of this. I just prefer Alessi's concept of sound and style so much better.
@bwt1995 You do that when you are so good that you've basically done everything out there. Once you do everything, you have to be creative and come up with your own stuff.
I think you have the two mixed up... Alessi is all about being perfect. Lindberg slows things down all the time! Look up some of his old stuff and it's all about getting into it and not being a machine.
@harrykaps13 you must not have heard Lindberg's music of his own. His compositions and performances of his own works are no where near being "CLASSICAL." Also, I'm assuming you have heard of John Mackey's Harvest that was pretty much written for Alessi....now tell me how does playing that piece make him more "CLASSICAL" than modern? I'm pretty sure that Zolton has played all of those classics as well, most professional players need to for enough fame to do their own thing and get paid.
I think you should flip flop those charicteristics. It seems that Lindberg is more charismatic, while Alessi is technically perfect. But you are right, their awsomeness should not be compared.
I was part of the brass band that performed the world premier of this concerto at Eton College many years ago. Yes, it was first performed with brass band and not wind band. Christian L was one of the finest talents I've ever shared a stage with. DB was there, too. Lots of interaction between composer and performer. Great memories.
He always shows what is the best in the world. awesome.
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Bravo! What a fresh and invigorating piece of music! We need much more great trombone
concerti like this!
It was a long time ago, but I performed with my band and Christian Lindgerg in the World Premiere of this concerto.
I guess it was 1987 or 88, but will stand to be corrected on that.
The event was hosted by the Trombone Society at Eton College, Windsor, UK.
In the week before the gig Christian had visited Bristol where my band was based, for a rehearsal.
He was a really nice guy. Very approachable. Chatted freely.
I remember him being quizzed about his instrument. He had a bass trombone slide attached to a tenor body. The bell rim had had the wire removed.
What a musician!
For sure, he had all the technical attributes in spades, but what I remember is his beautiful phrasing and how musical he was, especially in the slow movement.
On the day of the concert we travelled to Windsor and met him, again, for a brief afternoon rehearsal.
At this rehearsal Derek Bourgeois was there. Someone the band knew very well, as he had been a conductor of ours at one time.
Christian and Derek sparred frequently over how this should be done or that. All very friendly, I would add.
Example 1: In the slow movement the tutti band plays the theme at fff. The soloist is resting. Christian, “Why am I not playing here?”. Derek, “You won’t be heard over the band as it is playing so loud at that point”. Christian, “You let me worry about that!”. He did play it and his beautiful sound sailed over the band, even when our 25 brass players were at full throttle.
Example 2: The presto was marked at a steady tempo. Derek, “You’re playing too fast a tempo”. Christian, “OK. We’ll take it as marked conductor”. So we did, but afterwards....Christian in whisper to our band, “Tonight, we go very quick. Fast, ok?”. In the concert the presto motored. Faster than we’d ever played it.
Really good experience overall.
The next day I believe Christian recorded the concerto with a wind band somewhere in London.
best trombonist
He has some beastly dynamic range too.
@TheFrost769 Alessi and Lindberg are the two great CLASSICAL trombonists of our time. I think it is because they are masters of the same genre that they are the two most compared, even though they should not be. Zolton Kiss is younger and an amazing, yet more modern player.
Bravo! Cheers from Brazil
Wow. I wish I could play that now.
Thanks man for putting both vids of this concert. Is there any way you could send me the notes of Bourgeois concert with piano score. We could exchange the notes as I have a lot of sheet music too, so if you're looking for something maybe I have it. Would be grateful for the notes.
Yes!! I have the three recordings of this piece played by Christian Lindbergt.
I just added "meet Christian Lindberg" to my list of things to do before I die.
We all aren't worthy!
Lindberg Doesn't really have a Trombone vibrato in my opinion. Its more of a Cornet or Euphonium vibrato...wider and faster than most trombone. I love it.
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I agree.
HOLY HECK 😍
Nicely put, I too love trombone and hope to be as succsessful as them. Lindberg made trombone reckonized though, so it is cool.
I saw Alessi in the University of Alabama last weekend. He truly does live up to his legend as a great player. He is very lively, but his eyebrows fly over his face as if planes fly through the sky.
I conversation with Geoffrey Brand, who conducted the original City of London Winds band recording, he revealed that not only did Lindberg do the piece in ONE take, but it was played on a STRAIGHT tenor (Conn 8H). All the more remarkable!!
Why is it only between Alessi and Lindberg? Ever hear of Zolton Kiss?
I'm so fucking tired of people comparing Alessi and Lindberg.
Both Alessi and Lindberg play this piece beautifully... and that's saying a lot. This is a very challenging piece not only to play, but to also make music with.
To the person that said that Lindberg is better because he makes all of his money playing his instrument and Alessi is only a teacher, shame on you! If it weren't for those "lowly teachers," you wouldn't even know what music is, let alone how to play it. Think twice before you put Alessi down for being a college professor.
Yeah, sure is. I actually didnt notice that it was different untill I got the cd about 3 days ago.
Ian Bousfield by far has made the ultimate recording of this. Check out the cd "Bourgeois in Brass"
Alessi doesn't play it much faster, but he does play it more powerfully.
i hope that i get a masterclass of him when i'm studying in Rotterdam School of Music ;) that's over 2 years
@Waffl3Pr0ducti0ns I think you've got that assessment backwards. I don't think that either of them are "exactly by-the-music" by any means - they take full artistic licence, but out of the two of them Lindberg is by far the more adventurous simply by virtue of him being mostly a solo player. I think that might be what you meant to say.
Lol, upon seeing how argumentive the comment feed has become I feel like I would like to add my opinion. Alessi is technically, perfect. Hands down. Lindbergh isn't far from him, obviously. But what Lindberg holds over Alessi is his charisma as a player. Alessi is a strictly technical player. In my opinion. Also, I've never even able to enjoy listening to Zolton as I have Alessi or Lindberg, he's amazing, but he's nowhere near the level of Alessi and Lindberg.
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heh, reminds me of high school debate on who should be first chair. Makes no sense to argue. I hate cottage cheese but Sparsamen might. (agreed with you btw)
It isn´t the same piece. same composer, but the trombone sonata and not the concerto on bourgeios in brass, but it is a good one defnitely
why is the ending remarkably different to alessi's version???
I s'pose you're talking about the video with the comments about him taking it too fast?
Yeah, it WAS too fast, like I posted earlier, and the tounging was pretty nasty, but his tone from the begining up to the 2nd variation was not bad at all. I'm sure it wasn't his first performance of the night...
I mean c'mon, there's a video of Alessi of all people playing Blue Bells and sucking it up.
He may have embochure issues, but if he had no tone he wouldn't be playing professionally.
Everyone and his taste. It is as same as i prefer an Euphonium and not a cello in Beethoven's 4th cello and piano sonata. Or as same i prefer a cello than a bassoon in Glinka's trio pathethique.
Have you ever LISTENED to Alessi or Lindberg? I think you may have confused your sentence by saying that Lindberg is 'exactly-by-the-music'. Go check out his version of Csardas (on youtube at /watch?v=9GnJ-xL7n3k) and be sure you are reading the violin music at the same time. Tell me that he is playing exactly as it is written.
I would deffinately this an amazingly technically accurate performance, however I would have to say that I really enjoy the Alessi performance of this. I just prefer Alessi's concept of sound and style so much better.
Well, we can all agree that we can't do that. :P
@bwt1995 You do that when you are so good that you've basically done everything out there. Once you do everything, you have to be creative and come up with your own stuff.
I think you have the two mixed up... Alessi is all about being perfect. Lindberg slows things down all the time! Look up some of his old stuff and it's all about getting into it and not being a machine.
@Waffl3Pr0ducti0ns I respectively disagree. I think that Christian Lindberg is much more lively. Just my opinion though.
Yeah, he aint bad... (sarcasm)
@harrykaps13 you must not have heard Lindberg's music of his own. His compositions and performances of his own works are no where near being "CLASSICAL." Also, I'm assuming you have heard of John Mackey's Harvest that was pretty much written for Alessi....now tell me how does playing that piece make him more "CLASSICAL" than modern? I'm pretty sure that Zolton has played all of those classics as well, most professional players need to for enough fame to do their own thing and get paid.
joe alessi plays it much cleaner and better and faster (this is not my own opinion)
I think you should flip flop those charicteristics. It seems that Lindberg is more charismatic, while Alessi is technically perfect. But you are right, their awsomeness should not be compared.
I think lindberg plays more lively then alessi.
nope i think christian lindberg's sound always too crack
No tone?
You MUST be smoking dope.