#starwars #swtor #sith Episode 23 In my opinion the Jedi Are Evil Star Wars The Old Republic - Sith Warrior Sith Marauder - Annihilation Discipline Discord - / discord
@@fiddlesticks7245 Why did you feel like asking? I do the things I do because I enjoy them, which is the reason why I assume you chose to question my reasons. Life is too boring on its own, so I try to make it more fun for myself whenever possible. Sharing something that makes me happy with other people who also enjoy that thing only makes me happier.
The part where he casually brushed aside the fact that the Jedi tried to commit genocide and he basically said "Well, join the light and it isn't your problem"
I actually like that first part. It shows how thoroughly detached many Jedi are from reality. Blind focus on ideology, oversimplifying everything into black and white, and "the force is with us so we can do no wrong" even if that means a little genocide.
@@spaceboomer564 The whole "the force is with us" excuse is BS anyways, because the Darkside is also part of the force. Yet the Jedi seem to constantly forget that.
Funny thing about the light side Sith. I would have loved to see the following interaction play out. "I sense much anger in you, Sith." "Nah, I'm alright. Pretty chill to be honest." "No, no! There's much anger!" "Hmm ... nah. Pretty good mood today. I helped out this other guy earlier, and it really give me a boost." "Damn you Sith."
"I sense Anger, and Fear, and Hatred... It stems from you Sith." "I'm pretty sure you're overreacting. I was gypped for change at the cantina this morning so I'm a little miffed about that, My wife seemed less enthusiastic than me about what I had planned for Dinner tonight and I'm probably just over thinking it, and as for the Hatred I'm honestly just offended that you presume to know the details of my life. So Jedi, are you going to let me walk out of here with these Bantha Steaks or would you have me keep my wife waiting?"
Literally why wipe these guys out when they are basically *begging* to be made into Dark Side shock troops? The shortsightedness of the Sith never ceases to disappoint. ...also did that Jedi basically just respond to our accusations of Genocide with "don't let me catch you practicing the wrong religion then."
No the jedi basically said that he doesn't use violence to convert others or kill in an offensive war. He is the kind that would fight in self defence and to defend others.
Also Jedi: you Sith have committed thousands of terrible atrocities Sith: I’ve never committed any terrible atrocities! Jedi: … Sith: … Sith: Ok, well not *thousands* of atrocities… I’m still only an apprentice…
@@mlgsamantha5863 the mandalorians and sith deserve it and for ubese they start wanting to attack other star systems and republic stop them that wasn’t even jedi fault
That’s the weird part about playing sith. Light side sith seems more sith than dark side. Dark side sith just seems like some edgelord with depression and daddy issues
I love how the conversation between the Jedi and Sith at the beginning of the fight is just "Why do we gotta fight? We could be friends." "Your order attempted genocide against my species." "Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. Guess we have to fight."
Jedi: ok you got a right to retaliation, but since it's a "sins of the father" situation I think I have a right of self defense? Light side sith: mmm... yeah, I think you do.
It always annoyed me how this game is so short sighted when it comes to LS and DS choices. "Embrace the darkness within you", literally corrupting them and making them turn their back on the light side of the force is a... light side choice?
Not really short sighted as much as “choose which one is more evil.” Some of them are weird like this one, but here you’re essentially choosing between genocide and letting them go. Obviously letting them go is seen as the “light” option. Remember, your character is 100% committed to the dark side of the force, he/she is just not always gonna do the worst possible thing.
@@HiveTyrant25 not this scenario i dont think but for example it affects companions attitude an affect on the story and not to mention they have done it before where two options are the same but usually they add a third that's still the opposite like two dark one light they also make certain options not even matter but those ones usually don't have a ls or ds attached
@@HiveTyrant25 I'll totally agree with you when you say some options are weird but I still gotta argue for the fact it's short sighted as it doesn't take the long term effects into account. Take the black talon for example. The light side choice is spare and arrest him while the dark side choice is kill him. If you choose the light side option he even says to you that's he's going to be tortured and executed, best case scenario he rots in a cell for the rest of his life. Now if there's one thing the imperials are good at its torture. Knowing that, I'd say killing him would be the light side choice and arresting him is the dark side choice, but no it's always "kill=dark, spare=light"
true pureblood Sith were gone for millennia since the jedi exiles conquered them and started to interbreed with them, hybridizing the gene pool of their entire species. while the humans had pure populations on countless planets across the galaxy, true Sith were a dying race before the genocide in 5000 BBY. -> by that point i doubt any pure sith were left anyway.
not unless there is a world somewhere deep in the Unknown Regions that were formed from colonies of King Adas' most devout of followers seeking to destroy the Rakata and dismantle their Infinite Empire for trying to subjugate them. Those Sith weren't swayed by the teachings of the Dark Side of the Force like the Dark Jedi. The closest analogue to the Red Sith would have to be the Mag'har from Warcraft Lore. _"Lok'tar!"_
@@johannesseyfried7933 the name Pureblood is used just to distinguish those who are descended from the species and still possess visible sith traits yes but even those are hybdrids of sith and humans.
The "come my students, show them what you have learned" sounded so cheery the fight actually suprised me, like I didn't think that's the line meaning they gonna kill you now
The interesting thing about the tOR questline is that Light side sith actually make the empire stronger while Dark Jedi make the republic stronger, if you play through the game with an opposite force user than you'll see what I mean.
"If you take it from only one place, it become rigid and stale" -Uncle Iroh The Republic is usually good and the empire is bad, but doing away with narrow-mindedness makes them stronger
For republic both sides make it stronger because you either kill troublemakers or imprison them or forge alliance by diplomacy or force - you gain either way. Imperials usually fight among themselves so the dark side options usually just result in killing more imperials, losing resources etc. (Republic is corrupt and all but you dont have Supreme Chancellor trying to sacrifice Corruscant for power in a blood ritual or something like that.)
Problem with swtor is everything is marked as either a lightside or darkside choice even if its murder everyone in the room or turn 99% of the people in the room to the darkside and have them murder one person in the room
@@ReiChiquita567 Nope because you still let empire use rakghoul to help destroy Teris it still has evil intentions behind it. This is more like alternative dark side choice where you corrupt and make use of rakghouls over wiping them out. this is Pragmatic Villain choice.
No what are you talking about the Chancellor want sith dead because they attacked the republic and Jedi didn’t see the point in wiping them out see that they beaten
@@Skölly-b6h And yet, when we look back at history, the Jedi are the ones to force the Republic into wars against the Sith. The Jedi are not afraid of genocide, they definitely wanted to wipe out the Sith.
@@Skölly-b6h Every time the Sith rebuild themselves, the Jedi swoop in, take control of the Republic military, and wipe out every Sith in the Galaxy. They launched an attack in Ziost without Republic approval, conducted a planet-wide purge of all Sith on Malachor 1, annexed multiple Republic systems to be their "Jedi Lordships" and broke the treaty of Coruscant more times than I can count. Don't believe the Jedi lies you find it books, the Republic were not the ones to who wanted the millennia-long religious and cultural purging of the Sith.
@@Skölly-b6h I'm trying to look into this to find which side is correct, and--, I'm finding more credence to Cyber's side. Jedi helped kick the Sith out of the Republic, we find in multiple points in SWTOR that the Republic violates the Coruscant Treaty, we see in multiple points in the movies where Jedi have employed violence beyond what's necessary and aligned with the Jedi Creed, etc. In all my years around Star Wars, it seems the Empire and the Sith may lie to even each other, but they admit that it's often necessary for the goals of the Empire or the individual. And we see with the Sith creed and Imperial Agent creed, you don't have to be honest. Yet with the Jedi and Republic priding themselves on being the most noble and upstanding people, they sure do a lot of things that go against their own creeds, promises, oaths, etc., and will lie, alter records, and kill to keep those blemishes a secret between those involved.
The choice was lightside because you chose to spare them from dying to the reactor being rigged to blow, granting them freedom and the means to persue their true nature as creatures of Karness Muur. it never meant being nice to everyone and having the old master over for tea and crumpets.
I think both of those options should be dark side. Problem is SW would have so little light side choices, you would really struggle being light (as you should) BUT BW doesnt have the balls to actually do it.
I do find it ironic that a lot of people are like “man the Jedi are bad, kill them” when there’s a Sith here whose literally calling for the Nelghoul’s extinction right then and there. Besides, the Jedi wasn’t being hostile at first, and he didn’t deny the crimes his order and the Republic committed, rather he spoke of cleansing the anger and Dark Side from the Nekghoul and offered to do the same with us. Idk, it’s just a little bit of irony that people don’t seem to see it. Edit: I’m not saying everyone is acting like this, just I’ve seen a fair share of comments seemingly judging the Jedi in question here as being in the wrong (and to a small degree he is), but he is actually not really being the villain here, just sayin’. And yes, I am aware of the Jedi lunatics in this game as well.
No, we see it but it's not about who's the good guy. It's about who's the hypocrite. People prefer the honest villain to the omnipotent moral busybody. Besides, that kind of 'hero' usually ends up more a villain then the open villain. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."- C. S. Lewis
Fun fact; I actually researched the details on the aftermath of the Great Hyperspace War. What happened is severely overstated by the Empire. Direct quotes from Wookieepedia: "As the Republic began to rebuild and recover from the Sith occupation of its core worlds, Supreme Chancellor Pultimo authorized a joint Jedi-Republic counterinvasion of the Sith Worlds aimed at assuring the complete destruction of the Empire and any vestigial threat it posed to the safety of the Republic. The Chancellor and his political allies framed this invasion as a battle against the institutions of the Empire rather than a war for the extermination of its citizenry, stating that such actions were necessary to free the Sith species from the dark-sided corruption under which it had suffered for centuries. Across the Sith Worlds, battleships and bombers laid waste to Sith military complexes and centers of power while Republic strike teams on the ground captured Sith survivors and refugees en masse. Though some groups of Sith survivors continued to resist the Republic occupation militarily, the Jedi avoided killing captured or surrendered Sith outright-instead, adopting the practice implemented by Jedi Knight Odan-Urr, the Jedi chose to sever their respective connections to the Force." "Having achieved immortality and overseen the destruction of any remaining potential rivals in the Sith establishment, Vitiate departed his husk of a fiefdom with his loyal supporters in tow. He publicly attributed the destruction of Nathema to the Jedi, using its desolation as further proof of his claim that the Republic counterinvasion was aimed at the systematic extermination of the Sith people." The Republic's campaign was targeted at destroying Dark Side centres of power, and was more an occupation than a targeted campaign of genocide. The big incidents of mass death resulted from a mass ritual suicide campaign orchestrated by the Sith Lord Shar Dakhan, and the destruction of Nathema, which was blamed on the Jedi and Republic. So while it's 100% a cultural genocide, and an attempt to scrub the Sith Order (Different from the Sith species) from existence, full extermination was never actually the intent of this campaign. The people who believe it in-universe fell for a millennia long con by Vitiate.
@@abloodraven3856 And yet no Sith 'Purebloods' exist outside of the empire even though Sith traits are dominant. It was possible there traits melted away into the general population in preceding centuries but unlikely. People don't move around as much as most think and even when they migrate they tend to make ethnic conclaves. Former Empire planets should still have small Sith populations. And yet even their home planet is devoid of 'purebloods', the one place that should have the highest concentration of them. Also Revan was making a genocidal army targeting Sith genes and wasn't concerned at all about people in the republic. Your right that the biggest single genocide was not real, I remember that, but I also remember a slideshow narrated by Jedi historian that says they did do what the Sith said they did. It was on the Swtor site originally but I can't find it there now.
@A Blood Raven Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Sith Genocide can be seen in the Expanded Universe as it happens. Orbital bombardment and troops actively slaughtering indiscriminately was the norm. I think the Republic leader of the genocide was named Empress Teta, which her sector or whatever was later named after. Under her leadership the Republic killed the Sith, their non-Sith subjects, and their slaves. They also bombarded all of the Sith worlds to rubble though not an actual glassing. The only Sith who survived were the sorcerers of Tund and the minuscule handful that Vitiate took with him. Vitiate only consumed one world and his rival lords. The rest was entirely the Republic’s extermination campaign.
Jedi: I sense much anger in you. Pureblood: Your order tried to eradicate my entire species. Why do you pricks get the priviledge of strutting around with the moral high ground?
"Come my pupils show them what you've learned." Me when hearing this in SWToR: Oh, another bullshit boss fight. Me if I heard this in the Force Unleashed: So, you want a piece of Uncle?
I love the old republic's sith warrior story line, but one thing that I always hated was how powerless you seem in combat compared to everyone else. you have two satisfying moves force choke and that force roar, everything else feels samey and uninspired. sure you can make number go down, but it never truly feels satisfying doing it outside of cut scenes.
You can also unleash Bursts of Dark Side Energy. I forgot what the Skill for the Juggernaut is called, but that's basically what you do. You also get the Lightsaber Throw, which is pretty cool in my Opinion. :)
That's because the Sith Warrior is in fact a tank class. The DPS class has two sabers, which you do a lot of damage while having some medium tankie properties.
What are you on about? You have 2 lightsaber throws, a ground pound AOE. Force Choke, Force Throw, Two leaps... one of them long distance, etc. In addition, all the melee attacks feel powerful and meaty in comparison to other classes. Sith Warrior is incredibly fun and cool to play.
Watching this just made me more sad and angry that the Jedi's attempted genocide of the Mandalorians got retconned. it was such a great touch that the protectors/"peacekeepers" of the galaxy got so scared of a warrior culture that they thought the right thing to do was commit an atrocity.
I find it so funny when you basically play 100% lightside but when it comes to someplace where the lightside thing would be switch sides your character goes like: "Nah, the darkside is better, you lightside nerds suck."
well because your not really lightside most of your choices are pragmatic and merciful because the light side sith dosnt see the point why go on a temper tantrum killing people when you can just not and keep the useful people alive why murder random imperial soliders who are just following orders of their sith master as they should, will he still kill them yes but if given the choice he'd talk them down and move on.
@@CRMSN_RDR Yes, but pragamaticism is not the way of the dark side. It is being totally selfish all the time and constantly obeying your own whims. Darth Sidious practiced restraint and was powerful, but he didn't hold a candle to the likes of Tulak Hord because he just wasn't evil enough, as unbelievable as that is. Sidious wanted to rule the galaxy while ancient sith lords would have either killed everyone to attain godhood like Darth Vitiate tried, or enslaved everyone like Marka Ragnos did. Being pragmatic takes resisting dark side rather indulging in it.
Sometimes I feel that being a Jedi/Sith Exile is a much better choice than going with either of these. In the Jedi Order, you technically kidnap force-sensitive children from their homeworlds to become warrior monks fully dedicated to the teachings; with the Order getting progressively more corrupt and arrogant, seeing only the Light as the good thing. If you introduced the Light AND the Dark in your teachings, then "bringing balance to the Force by wiping out everyone who practices the Dark" is not ... balance??? Also justifying the genocide of the Sith by saying it brought balance is a rather cocky move. And then in the Sith, you get more power at the cost of your health. Like ok fun you have the Force equivalent of 10 tasers in your fingertips. But you have to be in constant pain, anger, hatred, fear, whatever negative emotion you need to fuel these powers or else they won't happen. Then you kill your fellow Sith because you are so mad and thirsty for MORE power that you can't function as a unit at any prolonged time. IDK if the Je'daii Order is still canon or not, but I feel like the times of that order was much better than whatever the fuck the Jedi Order was for like 5000+ years of existence after they decided to move their HQ to Coruscant. At least they acknowledged that too much of either side is bad, and if you were too much into the Light or too much into the Dark, then you had to meditate in the opposite side to balance yourself out. No wonder the Order fell and had so many Exiles throughout its history.
Probably because the Dark side was and still is a "corruptive" force that makes people into violent self destructive sociopaths if you use more than once a year or something
Read a fanfic "Darth Vader: Hero of Naboo". Vader here comes to the same conclusion. Light Side can be just as dangerous for user as Dark side, albeit in different way.
I'm pretty sure that George Lucas made it clear, several times, that 'Balance' wasn't using Dark and Light side techniques together. It's just that both sides are flawed when they abandon the majority of their emotions for either apathy or hatred. In the game, you learn from a Sith that the Dark Side used to be about using one's "passions" instead of pain and anger. Both traditions kind of fell by the wayside when they became self anaesthetizing, like you said. Another thing, the Jedi get their children voluntarily from the parents, and it's seen as a badge of honor for families in some cultures, to have a child in the Order. Calling it kidnapping feels irresponsible. Also I took the response the Jedi made to the genocide comment as a 'We seek to cure the sickness, not kill the patient' type thing, IDK why everyone is blowing up about it.
The Sith degradation of health is, I think, related to how much you feed your negative emotions. It might make them feel stronger, but I don’t think it actually has an effect on their power. Just look at Darth Imperius and Darth Marr. If anything, the chill Sith seem to be among the most powerful and talented. Combining the strength of the Dark Side with a clear and sane mind.
@Lionard Kirsch assigning light or dark side points should be based on the info a character has at the time of the choice. If the Mother Machine wiping out the Rakhata isn't at least hinted at, that's just poorly done
I'm still upset I don't have a Nekghoul student, my Sith Warrior would have done that IMMEDIATELY> That and a Jawa, cause he crazy. ......For that matter, my Jedi want a Flesh Raider Padawan.
@@LtBasil Compared to Darth Malora who only showed up in one side quest only 2 classes could play or Darth Krovos who is just part of a bonus quest series for imps
Because you can kill Thana at the end of the Taris questline. Her strongest aspect is her ego. She *thinks* she the best Sith around. The fact you constantly save her ass? If you don't kill her someone else is going to eventually.
All these people in the comments saying "The Sith may have their problems, but at least they're not hypocrites like the Jedi!" As if the Sith aren't literally evil and are being consistent about being evil. Remember, this is an example of just one Sith being semi-decent; the vast, overwhelming majority of Sith would have no qualms with eradicating a species, killing all their friends, and plunging the galaxy into mayhem and suffering just to get what they want. For all their problems, at least the Jedi are *trying* to make the galaxy a better place--the Sith are doing the exact opposite. Like, it's cool if you like them for being bad guys, but don't go acting like they're morally superior to the Jedi. They're just more consistent, since "Be Evil" is a lot easier to get right than "Be Good."
Eh nah I prefer The Sith because while *alot* of them are lying monstrous lil bastards, their core principles is about embracing emotion and not restricting it or yourself, while they jedi are all about being a apathetic group of self righteous assholes who claim to be the good guys but commit atrocities left right and center just like the Sith, and have the audacity to act as if they did nothing wrong or just go with the typical jedi response " I do not agree with the actions of my ancestors and those before me lmao but fuck you sith i hate you cause your ancestors did bad stuff "
Thing with the dark side is that it's very hard to control, Sith claim to not serve the force, but be in control. Most Sith still end up being used by the dark side instead of the other way around. But there are definitely many Sith that genuinely used the dark side without really falling to it in the sense most Sith do. They stayed true to their original goals they set out before becoming Sith or have a very high sense of self control. Palpatine was always a Shithead, if you read plagueis you'll know that he never was a good upstanding citizen. But he was in control, dooku for the most part was in control, Vitiate was in control, revan ended up being in control, Malgus was pretty much under control, Marr and Jadus were also under control, someone like savage oppress wasn't. Dark side Jaina form swtor isn't, anakin on Mustafar wasn't. The list goes on.
This is why I like dark side force users like Ventress and light side force users like Ahsoka. Both don't fight for any one "side", but if they see that something's wrong, they seek to correct it (even if it's for more...selfish reasons like it is for Ventress. I mean, I doubt that girl would've been taken back to her family had that prince guy not paid her before getting off that train on that big-ass bug thing). Still, I do like that those two do good things for more or less pure reasons than just trying to fulfill a political agenda or to help someone out with their evil plan to take over the galaxy with Tano's Master.
Lightside choice is Light because it is cunning. Contrary to what the Sith will tell you the Darkside is notoriously bad for your ability to think creatively on account of it being based in giving in to negative emotions for power. Therefore the fact the Sith even has the brain cells to rub together to think of anything other than killing everyone and laughing maniacally? That's what makes them a Lightside Sith.
The fact that the Jedi and the Republic committed genocide against the sith on an absolutely ludicrous scale in response to a war that, while destructive, lasted a few days at most, is not brought up nearly enough IMO. Honestly, It would be prime territory for some really interesting stories, especially if they were willing to show off a less Always Chaotic Evil side of the sith.
My response will be "They will be more valuable alive." Because I am a sith who like to keep those that are useful and kill any who are worthless. I even let a Jedi (not this jedi obviously) go because of my honor and respect for him.
Jedi: I sense much anger in you, Sith. LS Sith: You tried to commit genocide against my entire race. Jedi: ...A fair point, you are more than right to be angry about that.
"They may have instrumented genocide and two out of three of the longest, bloodiest wars, glassed planets as an interpretative art form, and gain powers from basically eco-terrorism, but at least they're honest when they do it."
I mean the Sith isn't lying about his race becoming extinct. It was arguably the Jedi Order's worst atrocity in their history so it's difficult to blame the Sith Species from turning to the Dark side.
well the Sith were already a darkside aligned species well before the jedi and the republic tried to exterminate them, still that doesn't changes the fact that said genocide really removes any notion of the jedi and the republic being good guys.
I wonder what the Force thought about every man, woman, and child who the Jedi killed for their species or for living on Korriban at the wrong time. It’s doubtful that they were all obsessed cultists of any kind.
To be perfectly honest both the Light Side and Dark Side of the force to 2 philisophical extremes that denied the basic fact that the Force is Life itself, and that means all aspects of the force should be open to everyone. The only problem is, people think in terms of black and white, but never grey. Which is why I love Grey Jedi like Qui Gon Jinn and Ahsoka who follow the Living Force.
Whilst the outcome of the Sith's extermination can be thrown infront of the feet of the Jedi and the Republic, it is Naga Sadow you should truly curse. for being the reckless, short-sighted expansionistic bastard that he was. he divided the Sith Empire, propaganda was his rise to power, with experiments and sorcery he turned his servant Massassi tribe into mindless cave-dwellers. and retreated again and again from his battles with the Republic only to build temples to his own glory on the long forgotten moon of Yavin Four. waiting for a revenge that would never come.
I wonder what the shades of Sith Lords of old, from the actual Sith species, make of later millennia. Pride that their religion endures and at least occasionally produces such power, or dismay that the Sith race is extinct and the most powerful practitioners turn out to be humans basically being historical re-enactors of Sith teachings.
I love how the light side option is corrupting the Nekghouls and having them kill the jedi for you.
I have a head canon that my Sith Inquisitor corrupts them and takes them on as his acolytes to be used against Thanaton
I supposed it's see as a more merciful solution and light way than blowing them up?...
@@steelrexer1062 Why did you feel like sharing your fan fiction with us?
@@fiddlesticks7245 Why did you feel like asking? I do the things I do because I enjoy them, which is the reason why I assume you chose to question my reasons. Life is too boring on its own, so I try to make it more fun for myself whenever possible. Sharing something that makes me happy with other people who also enjoy that thing only makes me happier.
@@steelrexer1062 You seem like a really weird guy, awkward too. Just saying
I don’t know what’s worse: the fact that Jedi was so optimistic that it is nauseating, or the light side choice that caused his death?
The part where he casually brushed aside the fact that the Jedi tried to commit genocide and he basically said "Well, join the light and it isn't your problem"
I actually like that first part. It shows how thoroughly detached many Jedi are from reality. Blind focus on ideology, oversimplifying everything into black and white, and "the force is with us so we can do no wrong" even if that means a little genocide.
Well like they say 'Its the will of the Force'
But like Kreia said... This is what is abhorrent about the Force.
The Jedi can have a little genocide… as a treat
@@spaceboomer564 The whole "the force is with us" excuse is BS anyways, because the Darkside is also part of the force. Yet the Jedi seem to constantly forget that.
"Show them what you've learned."
*One asskicking later*
"Not much, it seems."
More like "Show *him* what you know"
Funny thing about the light side Sith. I would have loved to see the following interaction play out.
"I sense much anger in you, Sith."
"Nah, I'm alright. Pretty chill to be honest."
"No, no! There's much anger!"
"Hmm ... nah. Pretty good mood today. I helped out this other guy earlier, and it really give me a boost."
"Damn you Sith."
There is the one interaction where you're basically mocking two Jedi saying "I'm a better Jedi than you."
"Found a cool stone this morning, still riding that high. Stones are cool, aren't they?"
"What the f**k?"
"I sense Anger, and Fear, and Hatred... It stems from you Sith."
"I'm pretty sure you're overreacting. I was gypped for change at the cantina this morning so I'm a little miffed about that, My wife seemed less enthusiastic than me about what I had planned for Dinner tonight and I'm probably just over thinking it, and as for the Hatred I'm honestly just offended that you presume to know the details of my life. So Jedi, are you going to let me walk out of here with these Bantha Steaks or would you have me keep my wife waiting?"
@@KitKatHexe Wrath and Vette just wanna have a quiet night in, but these Jedi keep telling him he's evil.
[Use jedi gaslighting] "Nooo no no, I really sense much anger in you. Why are you like this?"
Literally why wipe these guys out when they are basically *begging* to be made into Dark Side shock troops? The shortsightedness of the Sith never ceases to disappoint.
...also did that Jedi basically just respond to our accusations of Genocide with "don't let me catch you practicing the wrong religion then."
That is the most based Jedi Master in the Galaxy. He isn't even apologetic about it.
The Jedi and Sith do have their pro's and con's, cool abilities but tend to favor one extreme over the other.
No the jedi basically said that he doesn't use violence to convert others or kill in an offensive war. He is the kind that would fight in self defence and to defend others.
Just because they are dark side doesn't mean that they aren't your enemy. Now who is being short-sighted?
Jedi Crusades. Oh boy. The Force wills it.
Sith: you nearly wiped out my entire race!!!
Jedi: yeah buuuuut... I didn't do that sssooooo
Also Jedi: you Sith have committed thousands of terrible atrocities
Sith: I’ve never committed any terrible atrocities!
Jedi: …
Sith: …
Sith: Ok, well not *thousands* of atrocities… I’m still only an apprentice…
@@steelrexer1062 the jedi did the same shit as the sith, slaves? Check, kidnapping and killing people that disagree with them? Check
@@ReiChiquita567 no they didn’t
@@Skölly-b6h Genocide? Check. Just ask the Mandalorians, the Ubese, or the Sith themselves.
@@mlgsamantha5863 the mandalorians and sith deserve it and for ubese they start wanting to attack other star systems and republic stop them that wasn’t even jedi fault
Never thought that LS choise might be... badass 😂
That’s the weird part about playing sith. Light side sith seems more sith than dark side. Dark side sith just seems like some edgelord with depression and daddy issues
@@19972zach I made a comment on a different vid pointing that LS Warrior is a cunning Mastermind in most instances.
@@embodying8moth82 yeah it’s weird that light side options for sith are just cunning options that if anything be neutral if no one is harmed
nice grunt pfp and name
Go back to Normandy... Grunt
Light side sith: "These creature will make for great pawns."
Dark side sith: "Murder! Murder! *MURDER* !"
Light side Sith is pragmatic and think of what's best for the Empire long term.
And I'm always gonna indulge my warriors insane bloodthirst, But i have another one using the assasin kit that i play more naturally
murder and mayhem awaits!
I love how the conversation between the Jedi and Sith at the beginning of the fight is just
"Why do we gotta fight? We could be friends."
"Your order attempted genocide against my species."
"Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. Guess we have to fight."
Hey that's probably one of the only time the jedi weren't being unreasonable
Jedi: ok you got a right to retaliation, but since it's a "sins of the father" situation I think I have a right of self defense?
Light side sith: mmm... yeah, I think you do.
"We could've made the nekghouls extinct."
"Just like what the Jedi almost did to *my own kind*?"
It always annoyed me how this game is so short sighted when it comes to LS and DS choices. "Embrace the darkness within you", literally corrupting them and making them turn their back on the light side of the force is a... light side choice?
Not really short sighted as much as “choose which one is more evil.” Some of them are weird like this one, but here you’re essentially choosing between genocide and letting them go. Obviously letting them go is seen as the “light” option. Remember, your character is 100% committed to the dark side of the force, he/she is just not always gonna do the worst possible thing.
@@HiveTyrant25 they could have just marked both ds choices
@@dark_lord_talion6487 then why even make choices at all?
@@HiveTyrant25 not this scenario i dont think but for example it affects companions attitude an affect on the story and not to mention they have done it before where two options are the same but usually they add a third that's still the opposite like two dark one light they also make certain options not even matter but those ones usually don't have a ls or ds attached
@@HiveTyrant25 I'll totally agree with you when you say some options are weird but I still gotta argue for the fact it's short sighted as it doesn't take the long term effects into account. Take the black talon for example. The light side choice is spare and arrest him while the dark side choice is kill him. If you choose the light side option he even says to you that's he's going to be tortured and executed, best case scenario he rots in a cell for the rest of his life. Now if there's one thing the imperials are good at its torture. Knowing that, I'd say killing him would be the light side choice and arresting him is the dark side choice, but no it's always "kill=dark, spare=light"
true pureblood Sith were gone for millennia since the jedi exiles conquered them and started to interbreed with them, hybridizing the gene pool of their entire species. while the humans had pure populations on countless planets across the galaxy, true Sith were a dying race before the genocide in 5000 BBY. -> by that point i doubt any pure sith were left anyway.
Well, "Pure Sith" these Days is anyone who still possesses red Skin and those Face....Tentacles.
The more of them you have, the "purer" is your Blood.
not unless there is a world somewhere deep in the Unknown Regions that were formed from colonies of King Adas' most devout of followers seeking to destroy the Rakata and dismantle their Infinite Empire for trying to subjugate them. Those Sith weren't swayed by the teachings of the Dark Side of the Force like the Dark Jedi. The closest analogue to the Red Sith would have to be the Mag'har from Warcraft Lore.
_"Lok'tar!"_
@@johannesseyfried7933 the name Pureblood is used just to distinguish those who are descended from the species and still possess visible sith traits yes but even those are hybdrids of sith and humans.
@@johannesseyfried7933 More tentacles, more pures... sounds Japanese...
It’s funny you think a tiny handful of people can eliminate the purebloods of an entire species.
The "come my students, show them what you have learned" sounded so cheery the fight actually suprised me, like I didn't think that's the line meaning they gonna kill you now
I swear I heard: "screw that, Jedi." Instead of "school's out, Jedi." 🤣
The interesting thing about the tOR questline is that Light side sith actually make the empire stronger while Dark Jedi make the republic stronger, if you play through the game with an opposite force user than you'll see what I mean.
"If you take it from only one place, it become rigid and stale"
-Uncle Iroh
The Republic is usually good and the empire is bad, but doing away with narrow-mindedness makes them stronger
For republic both sides make it stronger because you either kill troublemakers or imprison them or forge alliance by diplomacy or force - you gain either way. Imperials usually fight among themselves so the dark side options usually just result in killing more imperials, losing resources etc.
(Republic is corrupt and all but you dont have Supreme Chancellor trying to sacrifice Corruscant for power in a blood ritual or something like that.)
LS choice that corrupt Raghouls to dark side?
what?
Problem with swtor is everything is marked as either a lightside or darkside choice even if its murder everyone in the room or turn 99% of the people in the room to the darkside and have them murder one person in the room
I guess because you don't commit genocide on a sapient species, versus killing just one Jedi?
Better then killing them no?
@@ReiChiquita567
Nope because you still let empire use rakghoul to help destroy Teris it still has evil intentions behind it.
This is more like alternative dark side choice where you corrupt and make use of rakghouls over wiping them out.
this is Pragmatic Villain choice.
I guess it‘s comparatively less evil than genociding them lol
That‘s what you get, when you stick to a binary morality system.
Friendly reminder that the Sith Holocaust was something the Jedi forced the Republic to do, not the other way around.
No what are you talking about the Chancellor want sith dead because they attacked the republic and Jedi didn’t see the point in wiping them out see that they beaten
@@Skölly-b6h And yet, when we look back at history, the Jedi are the ones to force the Republic into wars against the Sith. The Jedi are not afraid of genocide, they definitely wanted to wipe out the Sith.
@@CyberController- no where does it state that the Jedi force the republic in these wars
@@Skölly-b6h Every time the Sith rebuild themselves, the Jedi swoop in, take control of the Republic military, and wipe out every Sith in the Galaxy. They launched an attack in Ziost without Republic approval, conducted a planet-wide purge of all Sith on Malachor 1, annexed multiple Republic systems to be their "Jedi Lordships" and broke the treaty of Coruscant more times than I can count.
Don't believe the Jedi lies you find it books, the Republic were not the ones to who wanted the millennia-long religious and cultural purging of the Sith.
@@Skölly-b6h I'm trying to look into this to find which side is correct, and--, I'm finding more credence to Cyber's side. Jedi helped kick the Sith out of the Republic, we find in multiple points in SWTOR that the Republic violates the Coruscant Treaty, we see in multiple points in the movies where Jedi have employed violence beyond what's necessary and aligned with the Jedi Creed, etc. In all my years around Star Wars, it seems the Empire and the Sith may lie to even each other, but they admit that it's often necessary for the goals of the Empire or the individual. And we see with the Sith creed and Imperial Agent creed, you don't have to be honest. Yet with the Jedi and Republic priding themselves on being the most noble and upstanding people, they sure do a lot of things that go against their own creeds, promises, oaths, etc., and will lie, alter records, and kill to keep those blemishes a secret between those involved.
The choice was lightside because you chose to spare them from dying to the reactor being rigged to blow, granting them freedom and the means to persue their true nature as creatures of Karness Muur.
it never meant being nice to everyone and having the old master over for tea and crumpets.
I think both of those options should be dark side. Problem is SW would have so little light side choices, you would really struggle being light (as you should) BUT BW doesnt have the balls to actually do it.
@@Dark_Voice You are just being patriotic and helping out your country
I do find it ironic that a lot of people are like “man the Jedi are bad, kill them” when there’s a Sith here whose literally calling for the Nelghoul’s extinction right then and there. Besides, the Jedi wasn’t being hostile at first, and he didn’t deny the crimes his order and the Republic committed, rather he spoke of cleansing the anger and Dark Side from the Nekghoul and offered to do the same with us. Idk, it’s just a little bit of irony that people don’t seem to see it.
Edit: I’m not saying everyone is acting like this, just I’ve seen a fair share of comments seemingly judging the Jedi in question here as being in the wrong (and to a small degree he is), but he is actually not really being the villain here, just sayin’. And yes, I am aware of the Jedi lunatics in this game as well.
No, we see it but it's not about who's the good guy. It's about who's the hypocrite. People prefer the honest villain to the omnipotent moral busybody. Besides, that kind of 'hero' usually ends up more a villain then the open villain.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."- C. S. Lewis
Fun fact; I actually researched the details on the aftermath of the Great Hyperspace War. What happened is severely overstated by the Empire. Direct quotes from Wookieepedia:
"As the Republic began to rebuild and recover from the Sith occupation of its core worlds, Supreme Chancellor Pultimo authorized a joint Jedi-Republic counterinvasion of the Sith Worlds aimed at assuring the complete destruction of the Empire and any vestigial threat it posed to the safety of the Republic. The Chancellor and his political allies framed this invasion as a battle against the institutions of the Empire rather than a war for the extermination of its citizenry, stating that such actions were necessary to free the Sith species from the dark-sided corruption under which it had suffered for centuries.
Across the Sith Worlds, battleships and bombers laid waste to Sith military complexes and centers of power while Republic strike teams on the ground captured Sith survivors and refugees en masse. Though some groups of Sith survivors continued to resist the Republic occupation militarily, the Jedi avoided killing captured or surrendered Sith outright-instead, adopting the practice implemented by Jedi Knight Odan-Urr, the Jedi chose to sever their respective connections to the Force."
"Having achieved immortality and overseen the destruction of any remaining potential rivals in the Sith establishment, Vitiate departed his husk of a fiefdom with his loyal supporters in tow. He publicly attributed the destruction of Nathema to the Jedi, using its desolation as further proof of his claim that the Republic counterinvasion was aimed at the systematic extermination of the Sith people."
The Republic's campaign was targeted at destroying Dark Side centres of power, and was more an occupation than a targeted campaign of genocide. The big incidents of mass death resulted from a mass ritual suicide campaign orchestrated by the Sith Lord Shar Dakhan, and the destruction of Nathema, which was blamed on the Jedi and Republic.
So while it's 100% a cultural genocide, and an attempt to scrub the Sith Order (Different from the Sith species) from existence, full extermination was never actually the intent of this campaign. The people who believe it in-universe fell for a millennia long con by Vitiate.
@@abloodraven3856 And yet no Sith 'Purebloods' exist outside of the empire even though Sith traits are dominant. It was possible there traits melted away into the general population in preceding centuries but unlikely. People don't move around as much as most think and even when they migrate they tend to make ethnic conclaves. Former Empire planets should still have small Sith populations. And yet even their home planet is devoid of 'purebloods', the one place that should have the highest concentration of them. Also Revan was making a genocidal army targeting Sith genes and wasn't concerned at all about people in the republic.
Your right that the biggest single genocide was not real, I remember that, but I also remember a slideshow narrated by Jedi historian that says they did do what the Sith said they did. It was on the Swtor site originally but I can't find it there now.
@A Blood Raven
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Sith Genocide can be seen in the Expanded Universe as it happens.
Orbital bombardment and troops actively slaughtering indiscriminately was the norm. I think the Republic leader of the genocide was named Empress Teta, which her sector or whatever was later named after.
Under her leadership the Republic killed the Sith, their non-Sith subjects, and their slaves. They also bombarded all of the Sith worlds to rubble though not an actual glassing.
The only Sith who survived were the sorcerers of Tund and the minuscule handful that Vitiate took with him.
Vitiate only consumed one world and his rival lords. The rest was entirely the Republic’s extermination campaign.
Excuse me, it’s called the *Sith Holocaust* and I think the Republic calls it that.
“I’ll carve my name into your hide”
… “kinky!”
“Wtf”
Jedi: I sense much anger in you.
Pureblood: Your order tried to eradicate my entire species. Why do you pricks get the priviledge of strutting around with the moral high ground?
But muh faith in the "will" of microbes.
The midichlorians are the powerhouse of the force.
Dark side sith: Kills them himself.
Light side sith: Let someone else deal with the problem.
"Come my pupils show them what you've learned."
Me when hearing this in SWToR: Oh, another bullshit boss fight.
Me if I heard this in the Force Unleashed: So, you want a piece of Uncle?
I love the old republic's sith warrior story line, but one thing that I always hated was how powerless you seem in combat compared to everyone else. you have two satisfying moves force choke and that force roar, everything else feels samey and uninspired. sure you can make number go down, but it never truly feels satisfying doing it outside of cut scenes.
you can't really toss people around like the other classes can. all you can do is slash at their hp and that just always felt disappointing.
They're doing away with force choke in the new xpac. I'm pissed.
You can also unleash Bursts of Dark Side Energy. I forgot what the Skill for the Juggernaut is called, but that's basically what you do.
You also get the Lightsaber Throw, which is pretty cool in my Opinion. :)
That's because the Sith Warrior is in fact a tank class. The DPS class has two sabers, which you do a lot of damage while having some medium tankie properties.
What are you on about? You have 2 lightsaber throws, a ground pound AOE. Force Choke, Force Throw, Two leaps... one of them long distance, etc. In addition, all the melee attacks feel powerful and meaty in comparison to other classes. Sith Warrior is incredibly fun and cool to play.
Jedi: I sense much anger in you sith.
Sith: dude… I’m totally chill
Watching this just made me more sad and angry that the Jedi's attempted genocide of the Mandalorians got retconned.
it was such a great touch that the protectors/"peacekeepers" of the galaxy got so scared of a warrior culture that they thought the right thing to do was commit an atrocity.
What attempted genocide?
Even the light side of the force was tired of his shit
I find it so funny when you basically play 100% lightside but when it comes to someplace where the lightside thing would be switch sides your character goes like: "Nah, the darkside is better, you lightside nerds suck."
well because your not really lightside most of your choices are pragmatic and merciful because the light side sith dosnt see the point why go on a temper tantrum killing people when you can just not and keep the useful people alive why murder random imperial soliders who are just following orders of their sith master as they should, will he still kill them yes but if given the choice he'd talk them down and move on.
@@CRMSN_RDR Yes, but pragamaticism is not the way of the dark side. It is being totally selfish all the time and constantly obeying your own whims. Darth Sidious practiced restraint and was powerful, but he didn't hold a candle to the likes of Tulak Hord because he just wasn't evil enough, as unbelievable as that is. Sidious wanted to rule the galaxy while ancient sith lords would have either killed everyone to attain godhood like Darth Vitiate tried, or enslaved everyone like Marka Ragnos did. Being pragmatic takes resisting dark side rather indulging in it.
Sometimes I feel that being a Jedi/Sith Exile is a much better choice than going with either of these.
In the Jedi Order, you technically kidnap force-sensitive children from their homeworlds to become warrior monks fully dedicated to the teachings; with the Order getting progressively more corrupt and arrogant, seeing only the Light as the good thing. If you introduced the Light AND the Dark in your teachings, then "bringing balance to the Force by wiping out everyone who practices the Dark" is not ... balance??? Also justifying the genocide of the Sith by saying it brought balance is a rather cocky move.
And then in the Sith, you get more power at the cost of your health. Like ok fun you have the Force equivalent of 10 tasers in your fingertips. But you have to be in constant pain, anger, hatred, fear, whatever negative emotion you need to fuel these powers or else they won't happen. Then you kill your fellow Sith because you are so mad and thirsty for MORE power that you can't function as a unit at any prolonged time.
IDK if the Je'daii Order is still canon or not, but I feel like the times of that order was much better than whatever the fuck the Jedi Order was for like 5000+ years of existence after they decided to move their HQ to Coruscant. At least they acknowledged that too much of either side is bad, and if you were too much into the Light or too much into the Dark, then you had to meditate in the opposite side to balance yourself out. No wonder the Order fell and had so many Exiles throughout its history.
Probably because the Dark side was and still is a "corruptive" force that makes people into violent self destructive sociopaths if you use more than once a year or something
Read a fanfic "Darth Vader: Hero of Naboo". Vader here comes to the same conclusion. Light Side can be just as dangerous for user as Dark side, albeit in different way.
I'm pretty sure that George Lucas made it clear, several times, that 'Balance' wasn't using Dark and Light side techniques together. It's just that both sides are flawed when they abandon the majority of their emotions for either apathy or hatred. In the game, you learn from a Sith that the Dark Side used to be about using one's "passions" instead of pain and anger. Both traditions kind of fell by the wayside when they became self anaesthetizing, like you said.
Another thing, the Jedi get their children voluntarily from the parents, and it's seen as a badge of honor for families in some cultures, to have a child in the Order. Calling it kidnapping feels irresponsible.
Also I took the response the Jedi made to the genocide comment as a 'We seek to cure the sickness, not kill the patient' type thing, IDK why everyone is blowing up about it.
The Sith degradation of health is, I think, related to how much you feed your negative emotions.
It might make them feel stronger, but I don’t think it actually has an effect on their power. Just look at Darth Imperius and Darth Marr.
If anything, the chill Sith seem to be among the most powerful and talented. Combining the strength of the Dark Side with a clear and sane mind.
@@hydra5758 nice to see someone actually us their head
"Embrace the darkness inside you"
Apparently a LS option
Ds is making a species extinct
Well. Restraint is not the way of the dark side, so it has to be, yeah.
light side 8D👍
(0:18) "Say that again, Jedi, real slow. Roll it around in your head for a bit."
wiping out an entire race, flashbacks to teamfourstar and
I CAN SEE THE FUTUUUUURE
This and the Mother Machine "light side" choice on Belsavis always confused me
@Lionard Kirsch assigning light or dark side points should be based on the info a character has at the time of the choice. If the Mother Machine wiping out the Rakhata isn't at least hinted at, that's just poorly done
"Oh you're just jealous YOU didn't think about turning the Nekghouls on him first~" 😋
"Keep your distance or I'll carve your name into your hide."
"Just like you did with those Cathar?"
I'm still upset I don't have a Nekghoul student, my Sith Warrior would have done that IMMEDIATELY>
That and a Jawa, cause he crazy.
......For that matter, my Jedi want a Flesh Raider Padawan.
Cuts to Arctruris in Star Trek - Voyager: "You diplomacy destroyed my world!"
It would be cool to see Thana Vesh return on Acina/Vowaran's Dark Council
Considering that she's a minor character with a 50/50 chance of being dead, that seems unlikely.
@@LtBasil Compared to Darth Malora who only showed up in one side quest only 2 classes could play or Darth Krovos who is just part of a bonus quest series for imps
Because you can kill Thana at the end of the Taris questline. Her strongest aspect is her ego. She *thinks* she the best Sith around. The fact you constantly save her ass? If you don't kill her someone else is going to eventually.
@@sarodanadian6496 bAcK iN mY dAy Every Imperial class could do the Hutta and Korriban missions.
In what mission do you meet her ? I don’t think I’ve got that far
Taris , the planetary quests
Lol convincing the Nekghouls to do that is the Light option xD
All these people in the comments saying "The Sith may have their problems, but at least they're not hypocrites like the Jedi!" As if the Sith aren't literally evil and are being consistent about being evil. Remember, this is an example of just one Sith being semi-decent; the vast, overwhelming majority of Sith would have no qualms with eradicating a species, killing all their friends, and plunging the galaxy into mayhem and suffering just to get what they want. For all their problems, at least the Jedi are *trying* to make the galaxy a better place--the Sith are doing the exact opposite.
Like, it's cool if you like them for being bad guys, but don't go acting like they're morally superior to the Jedi. They're just more consistent, since "Be Evil" is a lot easier to get right than "Be Good."
Yeah seriously the amount of people victimizing the sith through moral absolutism bullshit is ridiculous!
I think the only ones that have been decent or at least somewhat are LS warrior, LS Inquistior, Marr, Lana , Judas, Scourge, Malgus and Dooku
Eh nah I prefer The Sith because while *alot* of them are lying monstrous lil bastards, their core principles is about embracing emotion and not restricting it or yourself, while they jedi are all about being a apathetic group of self righteous assholes who claim to be the good guys but commit atrocities left right and center just like the Sith, and have the audacity to act as if they did nothing wrong or just go with the typical jedi response " I do not agree with the actions of my ancestors and those before me lmao but fuck you sith i hate you cause your ancestors did bad stuff "
Thing with the dark side is that it's very hard to control, Sith claim to not serve the force, but be in control. Most Sith still end up being used by the dark side instead of the other way around. But there are definitely many Sith that genuinely used the dark side without really falling to it in the sense most Sith do. They stayed true to their original goals they set out before becoming Sith or have a very high sense of self control. Palpatine was always a Shithead, if you read plagueis you'll know that he never was a good upstanding citizen. But he was in control, dooku for the most part was in control, Vitiate was in control, revan ended up being in control, Malgus was pretty much under control, Marr and Jadus were also under control, someone like savage oppress wasn't. Dark side Jaina form swtor isn't, anakin on Mustafar wasn't. The list goes on.
Sounds like you've swallowed lots of Jedi propaganda, but okay.
A few years after defeating Vecna the ascended… Percy created a lightsaber for Vex…
"I seek to banish the dark side, not kill those who practice it."
Only one problem with that, Jedi: Red Sith are born aligned to the dark side.
If only the Sith species were more like him.
We all make mistakes
*Remembers Sith Holocaust from Legends* Yes...mistakes...
Jedi are still villains deep down, Neutral/Light Sith is the only true way.
This is why I like dark side force users like Ventress and light side force users like Ahsoka. Both don't fight for any one "side", but if they see that something's wrong, they seek to correct it (even if it's for more...selfish reasons like it is for Ventress. I mean, I doubt that girl would've been taken back to her family had that prince guy not paid her before getting off that train on that big-ass bug thing). Still, I do like that those two do good things for more or less pure reasons than just trying to fulfill a political agenda or to help someone out with their evil plan to take over the galaxy with Tano's Master.
"I sense much anger in you Sith".
Ya fucking think?
Thana needs to come back! Her so-called 'death' was ambiguous!
So nobody's going to comment on how easily this guy could have started introducing an episode of the powerpuff girls without skipping a beat?
Lightside choice is Light because it is cunning. Contrary to what the Sith will tell you the Darkside is notoriously bad for your ability to think creatively on account of it being based in giving in to negative emotions for power. Therefore the fact the Sith even has the brain cells to rub together to think of anything other than killing everyone and laughing maniacally? That's what makes them a Lightside Sith.
Dark side choice: Kill the Jedi and kill students.
Light side choice: Make the students kill the Jedi.
Yeah, sure. I suppose.
Light side choices for Empire is about pragmatism and what is best for the Empire as a whole long term.
The fact that the Jedi and the Republic committed genocide against the sith on an absolutely ludicrous scale in response to a war that, while destructive, lasted a few days at most, is not brought up nearly enough IMO. Honestly, It would be prime territory for some really interesting stories, especially if they were willing to show off a less Always Chaotic Evil side of the sith.
The light side option is more evil than the dark, omg.
Ahh Thana Vesh could have been the perfect companion with her tsundere attitude.
This guy's sounds like the Clone Wars narrator guy
It is
I knew I heard that voice before! That's Master Kavar from KotOR 2!
My response will be "They will be more valuable alive."
Because I am a sith who like to keep those that are useful and kill any who are worthless. I even let a Jedi (not this jedi obviously) go because of my honor and respect for him.
this playthru seems fun. congrats, you got a sub n im jumping into swtor again while waiting for kotor remake
Jedi: I sense much anger in you, Sith.
LS Sith: You tried to commit genocide against my entire race.
Jedi: ...A fair point, you are more than right to be angry about that.
I hate the Jedi for many a reason, at least with the Sith they acknowledge the things they've done. But then again each side has their extremists.
"They may have instrumented genocide and two out of three of the longest, bloodiest wars, glassed planets as an interpretative art form, and gain powers from basically eco-terrorism, but at least they're honest when they do it."
@@thered1s276 Never said they weren't psychotic bastards, But that's why I love 'em.
No, they really don't. In fact, they don't seem to care at all.
@@grimlord3181 That's my point.
That Jedi is voiced by the narrator of the Clone Wars.
sounded like a flirt there at the end
I mean the Sith isn't lying about his race becoming extinct. It was arguably the Jedi Order's worst atrocity in their history so it's difficult to blame the Sith Species from turning to the Dark side.
well the Sith were already a darkside aligned species well before the jedi and the republic tried to exterminate them, still that doesn't changes the fact that said genocide really removes any notion of the jedi and the republic being good guys.
I wonder what the Force thought about every man, woman, and child who the Jedi killed for their species or for living on Korriban at the wrong time.
It’s doubtful that they were all obsessed cultists of any kind.
@@marcialhd even though sith attacked first
@@Skölly-b6h that isn't the point, yes did attack first but that doesn't automatically justifies genocide as an answer.
@@marcialhd yeah I know but the sith were a threat
Sith be like: boo hoo you tried to wipe us out
Sith Empire when a planet has one citizen that owns a gun made in the Republic: *orbital bombardment
Never made sense to me how they go on and on about balance, but only embrace one side of the other.
That voice actor... Is it the VA for the Clones series intro voice..? Or do they just sound similar-
i think it is
To be perfectly honest both the Light Side and Dark Side of the force to 2 philisophical extremes that denied the basic fact that the Force is Life itself, and that means all aspects of the force should be open to everyone. The only problem is, people think in terms of black and white, but never grey. Which is why I love Grey Jedi like Qui Gon Jinn and Ahsoka who follow the Living Force.
Whilst the outcome of the Sith's extermination can be thrown infront of the feet of the Jedi and the Republic, it is Naga Sadow you should truly curse. for being the reckless, short-sighted expansionistic bastard that he was. he divided the Sith Empire, propaganda was his rise to power, with experiments and sorcery he turned his servant Massassi tribe into mindless cave-dwellers. and retreated again and again from his battles with the Republic only to build temples to his own glory on the long forgotten moon of Yavin Four. waiting for a revenge that would never come.
Damn, rakghoul now buff as fuck
I wonder what the shades of Sith Lords of old, from the actual Sith species, make of later millennia. Pride that their religion endures and at least occasionally produces such power, or dismay that the Sith race is extinct and the most powerful practitioners turn out to be humans basically being historical re-enactors of Sith teachings.
Honestly Sith here was right and they eventually did murder the Sith race
going dark to save others from them. the light side option fooled me into making a horrible mistake.
How is there so much fucking content in this game? It’s insane
THAT WAS THE *LIGHT SIDE OPTION*
you where only lvl 34 at that part i was lvl 60 when i did that quest :D
It's so confusing that the Light Side option is turning these Nekghouls to the Dark Side.
The Jedi sounds like the announcer on TCW. Is it the same voice actor?
I believe so!!
I feel bad for the Jedi.
I'm honestly not sure what to think of this particular Jedi.
It sucks there's not many trooper or bounty hunter series
Light side evil, i love it
I think he was referring to the sith order and not the sith species?
I still have a crush on Thana ❤
Woah! How do you have it where the Light/Dark points decisions are shown without moussing over them?
in Preferences you go to Conversations > Show Allignment Gained
Is that the clone wars announcer voice actor?
Could you zoom out some more? I can still see what is happening.
Nekghouls in Paris
Dude, I just can't read the subtitles and the alternative choices. they're too small. the only way is full screen and 1080p
Well done Georgi.
Thank you !
What is your PC setup? the game runs amazing!
I love how people forget the Sith are genocidal maniacs whenever they accuse the Jedi and the Republic of being genocidal maniacs
Not saying the Sith were the good guys, but let's be honest, if someone tried to wipe out your whole race you would be peeved too.
"your pupils are done for" sulan: "what pupils?"
Lol they evolved the star wars zombies
Not sure how this is even a lightside choice
I wonder if you can join Sulan if you reject the dark side when you are on tatooine ?
Embrace the dark side and murder Jedi……yup totally light side XD
Man I wish this game would come to console
based jedi