He shouldn’t be leaning back so much in the front lat spread. Elongating his waist like that makes it look somewhat barrel like which doesn’t make sense given that he has a tremendously small waist but it still is like that.
facts. He looks like he is 12 percent in the upper body or higher. He literally just doesn't have striations in his chest or seperation in his delts. Compared to Ronnie being shrink wrapped, with paper thin skin and his crazy shape, it's comical.
I was never a Ronnie fan, but this comparison is ridiculous. It’s like watching Ronnie smoke the best Cuban cigar sitting in a shoe shine chair, and Lunsford just ran to get his shoe shine box 😂
Bro some one said derek is more condition than Ron that is ridiculous, Ron is way more condition more shredded hams and gluts and back and lower back ron in bdb look at 3:50 ron has more details and he has a better shredded hams and gluts and even back and lower back Christmas tree, and Better biceps, derek looks soft no shredded hams and gluts and back and no Christmas tree and no biceps how he beat Ron in bdb , in your opinion who win the bdb Ron or derek look at 3:50 ?
@@proudmen1220 tbh that is true. He compensate that with his glutes and hamstrings and that is how he destroy people. If only would he know how to pose.
I totally agree. I think spreading the legs in the front poses looks terrible. Phil Heath always did this to create an illusion that his quads were bigger than they really were.
That's hard earned muscle over a long time compared to today's get big quick bodies,no maturity or real shape and hardness. Definitely Ronnie's best year.
It is not necessary to follow them, a photograph is enough to see none of them have the muscle separation, definition or aesthetics of the 90s. It is a shame how this sport has ended.
When you consider the top 3, averaging about 5'6" and all flawed, it's time for a reset. Those guys just look like science experiments gone wrong. Especially Hadi.
@@falcaofalcao528 Mr Olympia Hadis the current #1 bodybuilder which is why i mentioned him + hes very consistent unlike some other top guys. Oh & by battle i dont mean beat.
Derek is extremely puffy. Look at his upper body, he’s got no vascularity whatsoever, and no separation. I’m guessing it’s the insulin that does this but regardless it’s a very bad look.
Derek has potential but those oil filled biceps with no detail at all deserve major deductions. When will the judges reject oil muscles. Ronnie is the reference here.
FR. This is like comparing a NPC guy to a pro. Even with pics that favor derek as most of his pics are closer to the camera. Any pic where the camera is similar distance, Ronnie is a different species next to him. The lack of muscle quality is evident too. Derek is just a silhouette of a great bodybuilder. His details are lacking almost everywhere To a borderline absurd degree..
@@anasabura3037 ofcourse he is not at the same level of Ron ...there is noone at the level of Ron, may be Phil can match him in the back but nothing else
@@dracula5091 some one said derek is more condition than Ron and he beat Ron in bdb that is ridiculous, Ron is way more condition more shredded hams and gluts and back and lower back ron in bdb look at 3:50 ron has more details and he has a better shredded hams and gluts and even back and lower back Christmas tree, and Better biceps, derek looks soft no shredded hams and gluts and back and no Christmas tree and no biceps how he beat Ron in bdb , in your opinion who win the bdb Ron or derek look at 3:50 ?
@@anasabura3037 in today's lineup i like Derek's bdb and back lats spread but in comparison to king Derek is not that good...king Coleman is the definition of shear size great and conditioning.
If photos don't have the same distance to the camera your comparisons will be off when scaling for height. That's why the back double biceps and RLS look the way they do. As opposed to the side chest which is similar distance or 6:52 where the Ronnie pic is a little closer, and he looks like a different species standing next to Derek. Think about how much bigger and wider he would look if the camera man was centered and closer to the stage and underneath Ronnie. The modern shots often seem a closer to the stage.
yes in real life derek is being dwarfed. You can find pics of him next to phil heath with a quick google image search. Phil was much smaller than Ronnie in height and frame lol. Ronnie could never be 212... it is what it is. 5''11 vs 5'5@@-The-Darkside
@@proudmen1220 and yet it was still miles ahead of Derek. Better lats, traps, glutes, hamstrings, arms etc from the back. Oh, and lets not forget the Xmas tree.
@@proudmen1220 wtf are you talking about? Look at Ronnie's arms compared to Derek and tell me who has more detail. Ronnie has a damn Xmas tree in a rear lat spread.
Lol at their most muscular comparisons. The short guys do much better in comparisons like this than in real life and it's still only helping Derek with a few poses The peptides and oils these guys use now make them soooo smooth. His shoulders aren't even real muscle. Just injectables
1:46 - Ok, I have to say it. Love Derek but his pecks look so odd in the front lat spread. Like two balls of play dough that have been smashed up by a hammer. We're talking hamburger not steak in this pose. Two chest burgers.
It's basic Ronnie has so much hardness & separation in this comparison. As usual his side triceps look stupidly awkward & abs thigh pose as well. Derek's got the shape! When he gets that hardness look out!! Marx check Ronnie back double from Arnold photo shoot after the show it's his best Google search brings it up as the 1st picture.
Bro some one said derek is more condition than Ron that is ridiculous, Ron is way more condition more shredded hams and gluts and back and lower back ron in bdb look at 3:50 ron has more details and he has a better shredded hams and gluts and even back and lower back Christmas tree, and Better biceps, derek looks soft no shredded hams and gluts and back and no Christmas tree and no biceps how he beat Ron in bdb , 😂
It all come down to the same reason why Derek placed 2nd in 2022. He might come in with better conditioning, but he's new to this weight class, not matured enough muscularly to against a lot more seasoned athletes like Hadi and in this case, Ronnie in probably one of hos top 3 showings. Derek might be more conditioned here than Ronnie, but he narrowly edges him out in a couple of shots, actually side tris and abs and thighs, the latter mainly because Ronnie's strength wasn't presentation, but his physique was so dominant that he was outshining everyone on stage. Now Derek has striated glutes to the bone here, but no hams in comparison. Because there are not there yet, thickly muscled, they need time, calories, training etc. Same thing in the upper legs shots from the front, he's more conditioned, but the details are not there. Same thing with the details in the arms and chest. Ronnies most muscular crab pose is like pro against an amateur level. Give him a couple of years and he'll dominate with a structure like that.
Look at 4:24 here you can see who is more condition, hams Ron if Derek is more condition you will see a shredded hams and gluts and back but his hams are soft gluts are bad back look soft and no lower back if he was more condition you will see a separation between the arm and Christmas tree
In the end look at 6:25 derek Is soft no condition Ron kill him look at the cuts on Ron chest not even close because Ron is more condition look at Ron arm shoulder legs every were
What Ron he win the bdb look at 3:50 not even close derek his back are soft and no details and Ron has a better Christmas tree and lower back and Ron kill him in lower body hams and gluts so 💯 Ron take the bdb
Derek doesn’t has a shredded hams or gluts like Ron he doesn’t has a Christmas tree amd Ron kill him in size mass better condition not even close and the arm the biceps
look at his shoulder shape from the side. It's injectables in his delts. It came over from the middle east about 10 years ago. It's in a lot of guys quads and delts now. Hence the lack of separation and shape.
Bro Ron take the bdb he has more details look at the Christmas tree lower back , and the biceps and the hams band gluts, Ron kill him in lower body not even close, and better condition,
Dereks Chest Looks Horrible during the Front Lat Spread.
Nah
YESSS!! It’s shi
@@loquendoproductions9703 cmon man I love Derek, but his chest looks horrible in that shot. Be real
Dereks front lat spread is almost as bad as Nick Walkers. His chest deflates and there’s zero detail to his entire upper body.
His chest looks like melted feces in his front lat pose
Ronnie is unbelievable. Makes Derek look like an amature
I swear
He is d best❤❤❤
Wow, Derek is the SMOOTHEST #2 finisher ever. His front lat spread and most muscular shots can be found in suburban gyms anywhere. Positively smooth.
It’s crazy! I’m very impressed with his shape but you are right, he’s smooth minus the glutes.
He shouldn’t be leaning back so much in the front lat spread. Elongating his waist like that makes it look somewhat barrel like which doesn’t make sense given that he has a tremendously small waist but it still is like that.
facts. He looks like he is 12 percent in the upper body or higher. He literally just doesn't have striations in his chest or seperation in his delts. Compared to Ronnie being shrink wrapped, with paper thin skin and his crazy shape, it's comical.
I hope Derek improves the quad sweep and size, and his chest
That front lat is...rough
I was never a Ronnie fan, but this comparison is ridiculous. It’s like watching Ronnie smoke the best Cuban cigar sitting in a shoe shine chair, and Lunsford just ran to get his shoe shine box 😂
Bro some one said derek is more condition than Ron that is ridiculous, Ron is way more condition more shredded hams and gluts and back and lower back ron in bdb look at 3:50 ron has more details and he has a better shredded hams and gluts and even back and lower back Christmas tree, and Better biceps, derek looks soft no shredded hams and gluts and back and no Christmas tree and no biceps how he beat Ron in bdb , in your opinion who win the bdb Ron or derek look at 3:50 ?
Ronnie's FDB will never ceases to wow me!
@TheLusianPopahe’s giving the common opinion, I’m not sure what there is to be confused about
@TheLusianPopa🤡
I think Derek was given a gift at the Mr. O. I was shocked to see him take second.
He certainly has great shape and potential, but he just came in so soft compared to the other top guys
Ronnie is a full-size human. Derek is a half size mini hulk Hobbit. They are not comparable.
Boy do i miss the posing from the 90’s!! I wish they would go back to a narower stance in the front shots.
Ronnie is another level!
Ronnie's back and bicep peak are always lights out.
His back was nothing special.
Not must details.
Only biceps and glutes
@@proudmen1220 tbh that is true. He compensate that with his glutes and hamstrings and that is how he destroy people. If only would he know how to pose.
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@@proudmen1220 bro wtf lmao
@Don't read my name not enough details
This is INSULTING ..THE KING IS A BEAST
That's what I said. Silly video for likes. Disgrace to even put it out.
The first comparison says it all. Didn't those guys realize how ridiculous the relaxed pose looks with their legs so much apart
They try and show the inside of their leg. It does make the legs look bigger, but they also kinda look like frogs with the way they splay out.
I totally agree. I think spreading the legs in the front poses looks terrible. Phil Heath always did this to create an illusion that his quads were bigger than they really were.
Ronnie's muscle development is from another planet.
love your content everyday !!!
That's hard earned muscle over a long time compared to today's get big quick bodies,no maturity or real shape and hardness. Definitely Ronnie's best year.
I’d give Derek the side tricep, and he’s holding his own in the back double and abs & thigh, but he gets legitimately demolished in every other shot
Ronnie the GOAT!
"Oh, Mr. Coleman" LMAO - Ronnie makin Derrek look like NPC LOL -
You think Derek's back is better than Ronnie's? You're just flat out wrong man no other way to say it.
It is not necessary to follow them, a photograph is enough to see none of them have the muscle separation, definition or aesthetics of the 90s. It is a shame how this sport has ended.
Lunsford's arms look bloated and smooth in the front double... puffy.. water balloonish
Man Ronnie Arms are insane. Im a big Derek fan but his arms are weird to me, its the only part he has that needs better conditioning
He also needs better conditioning on his chest, Derek
Synthol
derek has amazing mid section and V taper we can give him that
Phil Heath 2011 vs Flex Wheeler 1999
Derek "no separation" lunsford one of the softest Olympia runner ups ever
Derek has the smoothest chest I’ve ever seen on a pro stage
Love your work bro. How on earth did Derik get 2 nd place at the MRO, REALLY .??
Derek and Hadi have the softest arms from the front and it does not scream “Mr. Olympia” imo
When you consider the top 3, averaging about 5'6" and all flawed, it's time for a reset. Those guys just look like science experiments gone wrong. Especially Hadi.
@@CypressItalian I think Nick has better quality muscle than Hadi and Derek
@@CypressItalian yea i dislike his proportions a lot
Synthol
This comparison was over after the front relaxed! Coleman is the king for a reason!
1:03 - my god... Ronnie's right arm... It looks like someone tucked a bowling ball into his bicep.
Derek's legs look SOOOOO small next to King Coleman
KO in every pose to the King and the GOAT Ronnie.
This Ronnie smokes any current active bodybuilder. Hadi could battle with him due to conditioning 💯 but Ronnie also had the size & wins regardless
Hadi cannot battle with Ronnie. What are you smoking 😂
@@falcaofalcao528 Mr Olympia Hadis the current #1 bodybuilder which is why i mentioned him + hes very consistent unlike some other top guys.
Oh & by battle i dont mean beat.
I don't think so
@@finalboss7956 what I’m saying is if you put Hadi in Ronnie’s times he’s not cracking top 5 so he wouldn’t even be compared to Ronnie
@@falcaofalcao528 Shawn ray beat heavier guys because they werent consistent so yes, Hadi would imo most certainly place 2nd a couple of times.
04:30 "Ronnie looks pretty good". Pretty good? :D He has the greatest rear lat spread ever. Nobody comes close.
he has a lot of poses that are the greatest ever
lunsford placing 2nd at the biggest show makes me not want to follow bodybuilding anymore
I dont understand why Lunsford finished second.😮
I mean, no one else in the lineup was any better.
@@konev13thebeast that's the problem, this guy is 2nd best in the world? horrible crop of pros today
@MikeG82 Dereks is going to have one hell of a physique in 2-3 years. Give it time. These new guys are still very young.
@@konev13thebeast nope you can't fix structural flaws
2:15 max muscle saw Derek's chest there? 🙄
Derek is extremely puffy. Look at his upper body, he’s got no vascularity whatsoever, and no separation. I’m guessing it’s the insulin that does this but regardless it’s a very bad look.
I was also just thinking he looks "puffy" .. no details in his arms in the front double
Synthol
Could you please compare Ramon Dino (Arnold 2023) and Derek Lunsford (Olympia 2021)?
Derek has potential but those oil filled biceps with no detail at all deserve major deductions. When will the judges reject oil muscles. Ronnie is the reference here.
Please don't insult Ronnie with such silly comparisons!!!
FR. This is like comparing a NPC guy to a pro. Even with pics that favor derek as most of his pics are closer to the camera. Any pic where the camera is similar distance, Ronnie is a different species next to him. The lack of muscle quality is evident too. Derek is just a silhouette of a great bodybuilder. His details are lacking almost everywhere To a borderline absurd degree..
Waiting for 2023
Derek is only good from back and some side poses otherwise he looks bad from front...no disrespect to the man
But he not the level of Ron in the back lower back and hams and gluts
@@anasabura3037 ofcourse he is not at the same level of Ron ...there is noone at the level of Ron, may be Phil can match him in the back but nothing else
@@dracula5091 some one said derek is more condition than Ron and he beat Ron in bdb that is ridiculous, Ron is way more condition more shredded hams and gluts and back and lower back ron in bdb look at 3:50 ron has more details and he has a better shredded hams and gluts and even back and lower back Christmas tree, and Better biceps, derek looks soft no shredded hams and gluts and back and no Christmas tree and no biceps how he beat Ron in bdb , in your opinion who win the bdb Ron or derek look at 3:50 ?
@@anasabura3037 in today's lineup i like Derek's bdb and back lats spread but in comparison to king Derek is not that good...king Coleman is the definition of shear size great and conditioning.
this is a complete SMACKDOWN - pow pow
Is Ronnie Coleman 1999 the most impressive physique in Olympia history? I prefer it to Ronnie’s 2003
Do zane berry vs. Ronnie coleman next please
arnold looked insane for not having GH neither insulin
He definitely had GH. look how his head shape altered in all the tell tale places.
@@-The-Darkside yea he had a drug that wasn't even invented yet, sure
If photos don't have the same distance to the camera your comparisons will be off when scaling for height. That's why the back double biceps and RLS look the way they do. As opposed to the side chest which is similar distance or 6:52 where the Ronnie pic is a little closer, and he looks like a different species standing next to Derek. Think about how much bigger and wider he would look if the camera man was centered and closer to the stage and underneath Ronnie.
The modern shots often seem a closer to the stage.
If they were next to each other it would be even more obvious
yes in real life derek is being dwarfed. You can find pics of him next to phil heath with a quick google image search. Phil was much smaller than Ronnie in height and frame lol. Ronnie could never be 212... it is what it is. 5''11 vs 5'5@@-The-Darkside
Ronny the opmitus prime...
Why do modern bodybuilders today always spread their legs whenever they do front lats spread while old school bodybuilders close their legs?
They’re trying to add the illusion of size but it usually just makes them look like they’re riding an invisible horse.
To cover more space
To show off thier ugly huge upper inner thighs
Limbs look bigger from the side, hence why you also turn your arms in when hitting a most muscular.
Brother what the mismatch?
Johnny Deven Young (2023 Marx Max Muscle Invitational) vs Dan Cilley (2018 Mr. Golden Era), please.
Johnny - ua-cam.com/video/XbuZtzXWlok/v-deo.html
Dan - ua-cam.com/video/-3qaytwx0lE/v-deo.html
Derek isn’t even in Ronnie universe .He doesn’t have even one bodypart that’s close .
Ronnie's shape was also amazing in 99 so Derek literally has nothing on him.
His back was not that great
@@proudmen1220 and yet it was still miles ahead of Derek. Better lats, traps, glutes, hamstrings, arms etc from the back. Oh, and lets not forget the Xmas tree.
@@bjf5027 but not details
@@proudmen1220 wtf are you talking about? Look at Ronnie's arms compared to Derek and tell me who has more detail. Ronnie has a damn Xmas tree in a rear lat spread.
@@bjf5027 I was talking about his back.
Not much details
Lol at their most muscular comparisons. The short guys do much better in comparisons like this than in real life and it's still only helping Derek with a few poses
The peptides and oils these guys use now make them soooo smooth. His shoulders aren't even real muscle. Just injectables
Competitive, lol. This is like comparing a Bugatti to a Yugo: remember that piece of sh*8? Ronnie is reaming him, big time, no vas, my friend, no vas.
Nxt flex wheeler 1993 vs dorian yates 1994 please
Lights out baby 🙏
1:46 - Ok, I have to say it. Love Derek but his pecks look so odd in the front lat spread. Like two balls of play dough that have been smashed up by a hammer. We're talking hamburger not steak in this pose. Two chest burgers.
Not sure how people can say 03’ is his best when this version has way fewer flaws. 98’ was great too (minus the gyno)
STILL THE GOAT! 🔥
Derek lundsford is terribly overrated. I still don’t see how he beat Nick with this level of conditioning from the front.
Ronnie takes every single pose by a fat fat margin
It's basic Ronnie has so much hardness & separation in this comparison. As usual his side triceps look stupidly awkward & abs thigh pose as well. Derek's got the shape! When he gets that hardness look out!! Marx check Ronnie back double from Arnold photo shoot after the show it's his best Google search brings it up as the 1st picture.
Bro some one said derek is more condition than Ron that is ridiculous, Ron is way more condition more shredded hams and gluts and back and lower back ron in bdb look at 3:50 ron has more details and he has a better shredded hams and gluts and even back and lower back Christmas tree, and Better biceps, derek looks soft no shredded hams and gluts and back and no Christmas tree and no biceps how he beat Ron in bdb , 😂
Derek looks smooth
What’s with the bent knees these days
No even close😂😂😂😂😂😂
No comparison between them two, Ronnie is on different level while Derek is not even close when it comes to shape
Derek has melted ice cream like chest🫣
Dorian yates (1993) vs phil heath 2011)
2022 O Lunsford vs 99 O Wheeler
Alotta oil in that matchup.
@@damfunk. Everything’s going to be oilright
1 Ronnie 2 Ronnie 3 ronnie 4 ronnie 5 Lunsford .
What’d Derek do to all of you who voted for this matchup to deserve this?
Why would you even compare a 6ft vs a 5.5 guy?!? Of course they will look different.
It all come down to the same reason why Derek placed 2nd in 2022. He might come in with better conditioning, but he's new to this weight class, not matured enough muscularly to against a lot more seasoned athletes like Hadi and in this case, Ronnie in probably one of hos top 3 showings.
Derek might be more conditioned here than Ronnie, but he narrowly edges him out in a couple of shots, actually side tris and abs and thighs, the latter mainly because Ronnie's strength wasn't presentation, but his physique was so dominant that he was outshining everyone on stage.
Now Derek has striated glutes to the bone here, but no hams in comparison. Because there are not there yet, thickly muscled, they need time, calories, training etc. Same thing in the upper legs shots from the front, he's more conditioned, but the details are not there. Same thing with the details in the arms and chest. Ronnies most muscular crab pose is like pro against an amateur level. Give him a couple of years and he'll dominate with a structure like that.
Bro no way Ron is way way way more condition wtf how Derek look soft
Look at 7:16 derek is soft no condition how you said he may be better than Ron in condition, 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
Look at 1:04 more condition 😂😂😂😂 did you a fanboy Ron kill him better condition and derke will not come close to the level of Ron in condition
Look at 4:24 here you can see who is more condition, hams Ron if Derek is more condition you will see a shredded hams and gluts and back but his hams are soft gluts are bad back look soft and no lower back if he was more condition you will see a separation between the arm and Christmas tree
In the end look at 6:25 derek Is soft no condition Ron kill him look at the cuts on Ron chest not even close because Ron is more condition look at Ron arm shoulder legs every were
Steroids ain’t like they used to be just like Eeeeees
Ronnie Coleman at his best vs Derek Lunsford at his Open Olympia debut...
99 wasn’t Ronnie’s best. Most people would say 2003. Derek can’t compete with ANY version of Ronnie.
Imo, derek wins the back double. Ronnie retracts his scapula too far back, making his width about 30 percent less. Same with samson
What Ron he win the bdb look at 3:50 not even close derek his back are soft and no details and Ron has a better Christmas tree and lower back and Ron kill him in lower body hams and gluts so 💯 Ron take the bdb
Derek doesn’t has a shredded hams or gluts like Ron he doesn’t has a Christmas tree amd Ron kill him in size mass better condition not even close and the arm the biceps
they should find out what drug makes bbers today so detailless and get it seriously banned
this comparison is a joke
similar (somewhat) dryness yet so much less details in todays competitors... there's gotta be some explanation.
look at his shoulder shape from the side. It's injectables in his delts. It came over from the middle east about 10 years ago. It's in a lot of guys quads and delts now. Hence the lack of separation and shape.
The problem with Derick is his chest is weak and he has bad conditioning he looks blurry
Samson matches up a lot better with Ronnie, I have a feeling Samson gonna show out this Olympia his a lot more confident an that makes him dangerous
I like Samson but he’s an insulin pig, his genetic structure pales in comparison to Ronnie.
Day 427 of saying hi to Marx!
Colemanitz 😂
King Ronnie has oversized Font Delt. It really looks ridicoulus. Too jacked, that front delt. Aestetics - ZERO !!!
Spoiler alert, nobody can defeat Ronnie.
Wow not even close
This is not even a comparison
Sergio oliva Vs Big ramy 🙂
Ramy beat everybody at that show
This wasn’t even close. Derek only has lats. Everything else is mediocre and he has subpar conditioning.
All the new guys have to much inner thigh going on. Thay just dont look good anymore.
King bubble guts kingkong Coleman is sucks
8 Olympias buddy😂
Ronnie destroys Derek in the front double, but Derek dominates the rear double. Pretty cool match-up, actually.
Bro Ron take the bdb he has more details look at the Christmas tree lower back , and the biceps and the hams band gluts, Ron kill him in lower body not even close, and better condition,
Lunsford is the weakest Olympia winner since Franco Colombo in 1981.
Looks like ronnie ate derek😅😅
Derek's structure is out of this world . Just beautiful .
Hahahahaha
Marx still not getting the likes and subscribers he deserves
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