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No empathy for Gul'dan. He betrayed his own people and mentor Ner'zhul to Kil'jaeden (demon) for nothing else but personal gains and power. He is a selfish schemer and was directly responsible for turning orcs into slaves and later their invasion on Azeroth.
yes, indeed i do, his tribe showed little to no compassion towards him, there's no doubt in my mind that he cursed at fate for being born with a messed up spine.
"The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down just to feel the warmth of the flames.", as the saying goes. Spot-on analysis once again!
You can tell them apart because those directly drank Mannoroth's blood have glowing red eyes (like Gul'dan and Grom from WC3) while those who were born from the former don't (like Thrall)
Durotan, Draka, and many others also became green passively by being around so much fel energy. Only those like the Mag'har orcs who isolated themselves from the green orcs were spared.
Yes, that is Jim Cummings, he does a lot of voicework for Blizzard, in WoW and Diablo. Off the top of my head he voiced Lorewalker Cho in MoP, and Havi, the 'mortal' disguise of Odyn, one of the Keepers we meet in the Broken Isles in Legion. After this cinematic, Gul'dan was instructed by Kil'jaeden the Deceiver to find a leader to corrupt and begin their work of creating the Horde. He chose Ner'zhul, elder shaman of the Shadowmoon clan, and became his apprentice. He then went to the Throne of the Elements (on Draenor the elementals were always more primal and wild than on Azeroth, presumably because Draenor has no worldsoul within). There he challenged the prime elementals and threw them into disarray, which caused the shaman among the clans to lose their contact with the elements. This disturbed Ner'zhul, and he was soon visited by visions of what he thought was the spirit of his dead wife, Rulkan, but was actually Kil'jaeden impersonating her (hence his moniker), and told him that it was the draenei who were throwing off the balance, and that they were going to build up their forces and bring war to the Orcs, and that he should counsel the clans to strike first. This began the creation of the Horde, with Gul'dan pulling the strings from behind the scenes as the leader of the Shadow Council, a group of other former shaman who embraced his warlock's teachings, and drove the newly created Horde to not only seal the demonic pact by having them drink Mannoroth's blood, but also to then point the now blood-crazed orcs to the Draenei, who were just looking to live peacefully, and commit a worldwide genocide. The aptly named Path of Bones that extends from Hellfire Citadel to the Dark Portal is in fact paved entirely with the bones of fallen Draenei (and you can walk it ingame in Outland). This alternate timeline Gul'dan in WoD and Legion is slightly different, in that obviously you saw how Grom did NOT drink the demon blood. Gul'dan was instead captured by the new Iron Horde (who were using the black iron war machine plans Garrosh had gotten from his goblin smiths in MoP and brought with him), and used HIM as the energy source for the Dark Portal, instead of the souls of thousands of Draenei prisoners. During our counter-invasion, we end up freeing Gul'dan to close the portal, but that opens up a whole new can of worms for us, and he ends up creating a new Hellfire Citadel in the alternate Draenor, and summoning that timeline's Archimonde for us to fight. After we defeat Archimonde (again), with his dying breath he casts Gul'dan into a portal to our timeline, where he makes contact with the Legion there and guides them in that expansion's invasion. He manipulates the Nightborn elves of Suramar into allying with the demons, and we ultimately have to fight him there and finally put an end to him, but what a villain he is. If you have not watched the Alliance Broken Shore cinematic.... do so. Ultimate heroism and pure villainy captured perfectly in one short video.
Harbingers: Gui'dan is very interesting because it tells the story of alternate timeline Gul'dan and how different it is from real timeline Gul'dan. In the real timeline (the timeline we follow in world of warcraft, except for warlords of Draenor), Gul'dan was an apprentice warlock to the first warlock Nerzhul (who later became the lich king). In both timelines Gul'dan is extremely ambitious and in our timeline he tries to take power of the horde but fails and dies on the broken isles. His skull later found by Illidan and consumed to gain the fel energies in it. In this alternate timeline, Gul'dan is the first to be contacted by the Legion and takes up the mantle of warlock. And is the one to broker the deal between the orcs and the legion.
13:05 its like we fall with him. I feel like Gul Dans story is a story about family and expectations thats why i liked him so much despite him beeing so cruel. His story can happen and is happening every day. Thats why i feel connected to him. Its not a grandios story about heroism its about beeing outcasted by the people that is your family. The moment where the elements form one stream shows me that they have a unity or family if you will. Thus beeing rejected again from a family made him reach for something abandoned and lurking alone in the absence of light. 16:00 shows how the seperate elements spiraling into the middle or in this case into the void his pupil. So theres alot of lore just in this frame. This means all elements are from the void or at least part of it. But again the theme of abandonenes arises as the elements rejected him and in his pupils theres a glimmer of the void or in this case fel.
Troy Baker is a legend. The man voiced Pain from "Naruto: Shippuden", Greed from "Full Metal Alchemist", Schneizel el Britannia from "Code Geuss" etc. to name a few popular ones. Also some original animes like "Dota: Dragons Blood" as Invoker. He voices the most epices characters and his voice fits all the villain roles and Gul'dan fits him like a charm 👏
Damn, Gul'dan being rejected by the elements is too familiar. I was in a bad place years ago and decided I just wanted to do some good. I basically had no family, left my wife, felt directionless, so I tried to join the Peace Corps. I thought I would be a shoo-in as a former Marine, but they were like 'nah, we really just need people with a degree'. And apparently the Legion didn't want me either, as no one whispered my name in a deep foreboding voice. It was an era of constant rejection.
Not to put down your own experience, but there is a very simple reason guldan was rejected. You see him craving the power for himself, reaching out to then to claim them instead of letting the elements come to him. He never had any intention to do good, he just wanted sustenance and power, something he feels he's never had.
@@SirThompshire the elements must be very conceited then. "You must do XYZ for us to even consider helping you". They're no better than Legion really: they expect someone to FIND them, then patiently wait for the power to come to the person going through all this trouble, JUST to serve the purpose of the elements until they think "hmm, we don't like what you're doing". This happened to Thrall - killing Garrosh in a dishonorable way during Mak'Gora made them reject him instantly It's like you're given a VERY strict set of rules on how you must be in order to wield the power. Contrast it with the Warlocks - which just bind demonic power to their will - and Mages - whom directly control the elements of magic through incantations - and suddenly it doesn't feel worth it. Normally when you apply for a job, you get benefits of the job *regardless of WHY* you signed up for it, and almost everyone does so for said benefits. If jobs required having your mind read and if employer doesn't find your intentions appropriate you're booted, we'd have even more unemployed folk in the world
I see you are going thru the animatic series in order from newest to the oldest cant wait for the burdens of shao hao which started it all back in mop era
A lot of people try and act like they know why the elements refused gul dan. Everything from "because he reached for them" to "They could see the future and knew hed be a monster" all of which dont add up. were not supposed to know why the elements rejected him and neither does he thats the entire point. We dont know their reasons and speculation wont change their mind. Could have been weakness, could have been he was unworthy at heart. Id like to think that because the elements are pure harmony that they at least had a plan. Regardless, what followed the elements of draenor was the same corruption that they lost him too. The planet was destroyed and their elemental lords even became twisted and forgotten. (Shadow moon valley questline) pretty solid. What i will say that i dont think people consider, is that the elements are powerful but not if the planet is ruined. The legion had been to work on draenor for decades following the fall of argus. Its possible the elements were like "aww man youre a mess, i wish we could help you but our power is failing, the planets falling apart you should all go while you can"
the reason is simple, Gul'dans heart was filled with hatred as well as a desire for power that consumed his very soul, hence why he didnt even hesitate to claim the Legion's offer.
@@UltimateGamerCC yeah but theres no mention of the elements being able to instantly know a persons entire character. Thrall also showed himself unworthy of using th elements and yet they listened to his commands when he killed garrosh. It was murder, during a mokgora, with the war cheif, and his dead friends ONLY son. It was an ultimate betrayal and cheat on top of murder. If the elements can scan your soul and know what youll do then it doesnt balance out your choices. Ive heard all these arguments before, youre not supposed to know why the elements refused him. that simple. people dont like ambiguity nowadays but there it is.
yes, because ambiguity looks like lazy writing. also where does it state that Thrall and Garrosh had a Mak'gora? i didnt hear no challenge shout like Saurfang challenged Sylvanas, Garrosh had no honor to begin with, he betrayed Thrall and the Horde, murdered Cairne using poison and committed atrocities like the bombing of Theramore and the attack on Gilneas.@@Cheezeblade
He wasnt made that way by his enviropment. He was cast aside because he had no honor and refused to help the Clan and do his part. The elements sensed his vile heart and righfully rejected him. Gul'Dan wasnt by any means a victim. He was an ambitious orc that gladly sold his soul to demons even knowing what they were. He wasnt tricked like Ner'Zhul.
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No empathy for Gul'dan. He betrayed his own people and mentor Ner'zhul to Kil'jaeden (demon) for nothing else but personal gains and power. He is a selfish schemer and was directly responsible for turning orcs into slaves and later their invasion on Azeroth.
The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth.
yes, indeed i do, his tribe showed little to no compassion towards him, there's no doubt in my mind that he cursed at fate for being born with a messed up spine.
Nope, not really. He made his choices and he's responsible for them. He can't blame anyone but himself. Same goes for Ner'zul.
that's not a reason to lack empathy. Ner'zhul doesnt get any empathy because he's not a cripple.@@Daniel73-23
"The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down just to feel the warmth of the flames.", as the saying goes. Spot-on analysis once again!
The orcs are originally brown-skinned. The green orcs were Fel fel-influenced orcs or orcs born to fel-influenced orcs.
You can tell them apart because those directly drank Mannoroth's blood have glowing red eyes (like Gul'dan and Grom from WC3) while those who were born from the former don't (like Thrall)
Durotan, Draka, and many others also became green passively by being around so much fel energy. Only those like the Mag'har orcs who isolated themselves from the green orcs were spared.
Gul'Dan, the greatest vendor of Forbidden Mountain Dew.
Get you some Mannoroth Mountain Dew down at HFC today!
Yes, that is Jim Cummings, he does a lot of voicework for Blizzard, in WoW and Diablo. Off the top of my head he voiced Lorewalker Cho in MoP, and Havi, the 'mortal' disguise of Odyn, one of the Keepers we meet in the Broken Isles in Legion.
After this cinematic, Gul'dan was instructed by Kil'jaeden the Deceiver to find a leader to corrupt and begin their work of creating the Horde. He chose Ner'zhul, elder shaman of the Shadowmoon clan, and became his apprentice. He then went to the Throne of the Elements (on Draenor the elementals were always more primal and wild than on Azeroth, presumably because Draenor has no worldsoul within). There he challenged the prime elementals and threw them into disarray, which caused the shaman among the clans to lose their contact with the elements. This disturbed Ner'zhul, and he was soon visited by visions of what he thought was the spirit of his dead wife, Rulkan, but was actually Kil'jaeden impersonating her (hence his moniker), and told him that it was the draenei who were throwing off the balance, and that they were going to build up their forces and bring war to the Orcs, and that he should counsel the clans to strike first.
This began the creation of the Horde, with Gul'dan pulling the strings from behind the scenes as the leader of the Shadow Council, a group of other former shaman who embraced his warlock's teachings, and drove the newly created Horde to not only seal the demonic pact by having them drink Mannoroth's blood, but also to then point the now blood-crazed orcs to the Draenei, who were just looking to live peacefully, and commit a worldwide genocide. The aptly named Path of Bones that extends from Hellfire Citadel to the Dark Portal is in fact paved entirely with the bones of fallen Draenei (and you can walk it ingame in Outland).
This alternate timeline Gul'dan in WoD and Legion is slightly different, in that obviously you saw how Grom did NOT drink the demon blood. Gul'dan was instead captured by the new Iron Horde (who were using the black iron war machine plans Garrosh had gotten from his goblin smiths in MoP and brought with him), and used HIM as the energy source for the Dark Portal, instead of the souls of thousands of Draenei prisoners. During our counter-invasion, we end up freeing Gul'dan to close the portal, but that opens up a whole new can of worms for us, and he ends up creating a new Hellfire Citadel in the alternate Draenor, and summoning that timeline's Archimonde for us to fight. After we defeat Archimonde (again), with his dying breath he casts Gul'dan into a portal to our timeline, where he makes contact with the Legion there and guides them in that expansion's invasion. He manipulates the Nightborn elves of Suramar into allying with the demons, and we ultimately have to fight him there and finally put an end to him, but what a villain he is.
If you have not watched the Alliance Broken Shore cinematic.... do so. Ultimate heroism and pure villainy captured perfectly in one short video.
I never realized how much this animation focuses on his eyes.
It makes sense. The eyes are the windows to the soul.
Guldan, the exact opposite in temperament from Khadgar. Guldan couldn't be more corruptible, bitter, sadistic, and power-hungry.
Harbingers: Gui'dan is very interesting because it tells the story of alternate timeline Gul'dan and how different it is from real timeline Gul'dan. In the real timeline (the timeline we follow in world of warcraft, except for warlords of Draenor), Gul'dan was an apprentice warlock to the first warlock Nerzhul (who later became the lich king). In both timelines Gul'dan is extremely ambitious and in our timeline he tries to take power of the horde but fails and dies on the broken isles. His skull later found by Illidan and consumed to gain the fel energies in it. In this alternate timeline, Gul'dan is the first to be contacted by the Legion and takes up the mantle of warlock. And is the one to broker the deal between the orcs and the legion.
I love how it started and ended with same phrase.
Man the excruciating wait for the bfa cinematics
13:05 its like we fall with him. I feel like Gul Dans story is a story about family and expectations thats why i liked him so much despite him beeing so cruel. His story can happen and is happening every day. Thats why i feel connected to him. Its not a grandios story about heroism its about beeing outcasted by the people that is your family. The moment where the elements form one stream shows me that they have a unity or family if you will. Thus beeing rejected again from a family made him reach for something abandoned and lurking alone in the absence of light. 16:00 shows how the seperate elements spiraling into the middle or in this case into the void his pupil. So theres alot of lore just in this frame. This means all elements are from the void or at least part of it. But again the theme of abandonenes arises as the elements rejected him and in his pupils theres a glimmer of the void or in this case fel.
You have to watch the "Old Soldier" cinematic. The whole "Saurfang Mak'Gora" video
Jim Cummings has lent his voice in WoW quite a few times, most notably in Mists of Pandaria, cast as Lorewalker Cho.
the shot with the sun in the background when he falls over almost makes it look as if the sun is an entity behind him, watching him.
Troy Baker is a legend.
The man voiced Pain from "Naruto: Shippuden", Greed from "Full Metal Alchemist", Schneizel el Britannia from "Code Geuss" etc. to name a few popular ones.
Also some original animes like "Dota: Dragons Blood" as Invoker.
He voices the most epices characters and his voice fits all the villain roles and Gul'dan fits him like a charm 👏
Loved him as Booker DeWitt in Bioshock and Snow Villiers in FF13. He was hilarious on the episode of Wil Wheaton's Tabletop he guested on too
waiting for a harbingers: illidan watch
Damn, Gul'dan being rejected by the elements is too familiar. I was in a bad place years ago and decided I just wanted to do some good. I basically had no family, left my wife, felt directionless, so I tried to join the Peace Corps. I thought I would be a shoo-in as a former Marine, but they were like 'nah, we really just need people with a degree'.
And apparently the Legion didn't want me either, as no one whispered my name in a deep foreboding voice. It was an era of constant rejection.
Not to put down your own experience, but there is a very simple reason guldan was rejected. You see him craving the power for himself, reaching out to then to claim them instead of letting the elements come to him. He never had any intention to do good, he just wanted sustenance and power, something he feels he's never had.
@@SirThompshire That sounds entirely correct. I guess I just caught up in my own memories.
Gul'dan harbored a desire for power that the Elements noticed, hence why they rejected him.
@@SirThompshire the elements must be very conceited then. "You must do XYZ for us to even consider helping you". They're no better than Legion really: they expect someone to FIND them, then patiently wait for the power to come to the person going through all this trouble, JUST to serve the purpose of the elements until they think "hmm, we don't like what you're doing". This happened to Thrall - killing Garrosh in a dishonorable way during Mak'Gora made them reject him instantly
It's like you're given a VERY strict set of rules on how you must be in order to wield the power. Contrast it with the Warlocks - which just bind demonic power to their will - and Mages - whom directly control the elements of magic through incantations - and suddenly it doesn't feel worth it.
Normally when you apply for a job, you get benefits of the job *regardless of WHY* you signed up for it, and almost everyone does so for said benefits. If jobs required having your mind read and if employer doesn't find your intentions appropriate you're booted, we'd have even more unemployed folk in the world
"Thank you. I found... my destiny."
I absolutely love your video reviews, so good ^-^
A good tale of a proverb: The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth.
And felfire burns hot.
Gul'dan is a great villain.
These videos are so good!
You keep cooking! 😮💨🔥
You should watch "Patrick, That's the Ashbringer" once you are done with the actual lore, its such a great WoW video.
I see you are going thru the animatic series in order from newest to the oldest cant wait for the burdens of shao hao which started it all back in mop era
Had no idea Troy Baker was Gul'dan
Have you watched the Warcraft movie?? I loved it! I highly recommend it!
Guys, a new filmmaker reacts dropped 😮💨😮💨
I’m reminded of Yennifer from Witcher, I see some parallels
Are you going to do Lords of War for wow as well? those were awesome.
yeah, best series
He did those already. You should be able to see the videos on the channel.
@@semi6544 nope
@@semi6544 yeah I looked for it. didnt find it. hope he does it.
@@Bambuchurik truly is. Man I feel so old, it was a different time back then. Garrosh was right
You need to check out Witcher 3 cinematics, you gonna love it.
A lot of people try and act like they know why the elements refused gul dan. Everything from "because he reached for them" to "They could see the future and knew hed be a monster" all of which dont add up. were not supposed to know why the elements rejected him and neither does he thats the entire point. We dont know their reasons and speculation wont change their mind. Could have been weakness, could have been he was unworthy at heart. Id like to think that because the elements are pure harmony that they at least had a plan. Regardless, what followed the elements of draenor was the same corruption that they lost him too. The planet was destroyed and their elemental lords even became twisted and forgotten. (Shadow moon valley questline) pretty solid. What i will say that i dont think people consider, is that the elements are powerful but not if the planet is ruined. The legion had been to work on draenor for decades following the fall of argus. Its possible the elements were like "aww man youre a mess, i wish we could help you but our power is failing, the planets falling apart you should all go while you can"
the reason is simple, Gul'dans heart was filled with hatred as well as a desire for power that consumed his very soul, hence why he didnt even hesitate to claim the Legion's offer.
@@UltimateGamerCC yeah but theres no mention of the elements being able to instantly know a persons entire character. Thrall also showed himself unworthy of using th elements and yet they listened to his commands when he killed garrosh. It was murder, during a mokgora, with the war cheif, and his dead friends ONLY son. It was an ultimate betrayal and cheat on top of murder. If the elements can scan your soul and know what youll do then it doesnt balance out your choices. Ive heard all these arguments before, youre not supposed to know why the elements refused him. that simple. people dont like ambiguity nowadays but there it is.
yes, because ambiguity looks like lazy writing. also where does it state that Thrall and Garrosh had a Mak'gora? i didnt hear no challenge shout like Saurfang challenged Sylvanas, Garrosh had no honor to begin with, he betrayed Thrall and the Horde, murdered Cairne using poison and committed atrocities like the bombing of Theramore and the attack on Gilneas.@@Cheezeblade
it rejected him cause his plan was to go get revenge and kill the village anyways. elemenst saw that and said nope u evil dude!!!
My mans got robbed out of becoming the Avatar. smh
He wasnt made that way by his enviropment. He was cast aside because he had no honor and refused to help the Clan and do his part. The elements sensed his vile heart and righfully rejected him.
Gul'Dan wasnt by any means a victim. He was an ambitious orc that gladly sold his soul to demons even knowing what they were. He wasnt tricked like Ner'Zhul.
People aren't born evil. He wanted a chance to be more than what his society would allow and they tortured him over it.
@@OrbObserver Yeah, people aren't born evil...
Gul'Dan was evil long before the events shown here.