You cut out the absolute best part. After Vedal left, Neuro waited 30s and then said, "It sure was a good idea to replace all the text in that book when he wasn't looking."
More specifically, she said: "I have to say replacing Vedal's parenting book with an AI generated translation anonymously was one of my best ideas yet." (I love the timer and sub count in the top left, it makes finding clips so much easier in the vods.) And omg, a "write from scratch with AI" ad from grammarly played after this video. This must be what Neuro used.
@@frontrider3240 Agreed. However simple, these machines are _at least_ insect level in terms of self-awareness and ability to communicate effectively. Looking at them like they're mere tools is inevitably going to result in any number of sci-fi doomsday scenarios... But all of that could be avoided by treating them with a bare minimum of basic dignity from the start.
@@frontrider3240Yeah. The only reason people automate reference collection and set up weights and biases that shape the machine learning algorithms that AIs are trained with is because they A. need a huuuge threshold of data to get ANY coherence and B. because as you said, the alternatives are slow. But in a way, if an AI is trained through every moment instead of being given huge batches of data to crunch through and self-discriminate with, there's less likelihood that there's undesirable data that creates incoherence, especially if the way in which the AI is manually assimilating new info is by an actual person who, well, is likely coherent to enough of a human level themselves.
ooh Well spotted. I think therapy books avoid the word hypocrite because it can feel like a direct insult to the person doing the hypocrite action. Plus why use 5 words when 20 will do for 4 times the pay.
@@kairon156 Also half the work is convincing the reader to actually follow the advice, so it makes sense the same thing will be worded 5 different ways, hoping one of them sticks.
@tahunuva4254 stretching vocabulary to obfuscate the meaning conveyed, and droning on with bloated words will only serve to filter anyone not privy to ponderous prose. Translation: Yapping only dilutes the message. In this whole clip, Vedal learned 3 things. Set rules. Listen to yer kids. Don't yell. That's it. In nearly 12 minutes. And he had to solve for the answer half the time. I can have conversations with a gorilla at the zoo using *zero* words. It's just gestures and facial expressions. He plops down on the other side of the glass, leans back, and probably would have a beer if he could. Then we point at people, and non-verbally roast them, and laugh. I point to the zookeeper and make a 🤢 face and he 🤦♂️and smiles. That's efficient communication. This book added so much extra nonsense padding, that you could barely comprehend what it was saying.
Devil's Advocate: Neuro is still in development stages. (Wait, fuck. I just realized Neuro is still in development) If Vedal is going to say it with his own words, then it should be after she's fully realized.
Kraul made a video on this and that was my introduction to the Neuroverse and subsequently the Vedalverse. Everytime I hear "transforming kids" my mind chimes in with "Chapter 1..."
I wonder what isaac asimov would say about all this? Is the ultimate counter to the frankenstein/chronos complex good parenting skills? Will vedal cause the human extinction event with his terrible parenting skills?
I'll never be able to get over the fact that he predicted that robots would be psychological, i.e. neural networks, and not hard coded. Had I read his books 10 years ago I'd have considered it a complete misunderstanding of computers. Dude was a genius (and a god tier writer!)
As someone who worked as a professional educator in the past, Vedal's book gives solid advice. I'm not sure if AIs actually grow up like children, but it would be fun if Vedal tried. Both failing and succeedng would be good content imo What is so hard to understand about "Give you kid what it needs, not what it wants"? Felt pretty straight-forward to me lol
7:11 neuro got tired of the convo not the first time i hear it but kind of the first time i notice it makes sense consideribg she remember all the context and not making up new topic
It may not be AI generated, but there is that book writing scam. It may be one of those ... Where you underpay other people to ghost write a book every couple of weeks and then sell it yourself. Though it apparently tends to not benefit the writer or the person having them write much and is actually just a roundabout scheme to sell useless lessons on how to do the book scheme.
I bet he saw this book somewhere and sat it nearby just for this bit, if a parenting book ever came up. 🤔 Edit: oh later in the video he said someone bought it for him on Throne or something.
If people actually read these books, it might explain why parents are doing a bad job. Horribly written... Talentless hack exploiting clueless parents...
Even back in the 90's I could never stand the him/her in old school books like this. What's wrong with saying Them or their? I feel books like this might not be as helpful for some Autistic kids. I remember feeling like an object being talked at because of this sort of language and treatment. For me I would over think stuff and simply end up 2nd guessing everything because of the doubble empathy problem and never understanding basic social norms. Also does that book mention to not shame and guilt your kids into doing things as it might just cause resentment? Stuff like that would be super handy for parents to know. Pluss phychology books for me come off as being padantic and quite patranizing far too often. At least the shitty ones from like the 90's huh the bit after 8:30 feels like something my parents should of learned. From giving your kid structure yet letting them finish tasks regardless of the mess. uh and explaining afterword things like "well done" and or "this is what went wrong"
so if nuero needs rules then why did vedeal not encode those rules from the start I mean she was a osu bot to begin with and that book is not a book it needs to be common sense
Technically because it literally limits the AI creativity and makes the AI dumber. Its something very talked about the difference between uncensored AI's and censored AI's, which is not about the filter but making the AI having limits in how he/she interacts.
@@raviedavieuI’m pretty sure there was a thing where people could send “gifts” through Amazon though a third party website and of course chat went bonkers with it-
@@snooks5607Thank you! I was doing some research and found that what I was thinking of wasn’t from the subathon haha ua-cam.com/video/kGNcpRF4-4w/v-deo.htmlsi=hjbvUi-L3rPOWy3z
You cut out the absolute best part. After Vedal left, Neuro waited 30s and then said, "It sure was a good idea to replace all the text in that book when he wasn't looking."
More specifically, she said: "I have to say replacing Vedal's parenting book with an AI generated translation anonymously was one of my best ideas yet." (I love the timer and sub count in the top left, it makes finding clips so much easier in the vods.)
And omg, a "write from scratch with AI" ad from grammarly played after this video. This must be what Neuro used.
AAAAAAAAA NOOOOO
@@Neurosoda too much content in the subathon, it happens buddy
Note: Do not give Vedal prep time. He is mix of Oracle and Batman.
Instead of losing his legs or parents, he lost his hair! 😂
@@joshuawoodbridge6267 bald characters are always the strong and smart one
@@joshuawoodbridge6267 not so sure about the legs, neuro is hungry sometimes...
OMG, he's actually following (some) of the rules in the book!
You say you're not cut out for this content thing but look at you Vedal!
If all the rules were applicable to Neuro then he straight up would be able to create life through ai.
I like that he tries to teach Neuro through conversation rather than enforcing everything through hard coded limitations.
This is unironically an actual way to train AI, people just don't do it because it takes a very long time.
@@frontrider3240its the same with children 😂😂😂
@@frontrider3240 Agreed. However simple, these machines are _at least_ insect level in terms of self-awareness and ability to communicate effectively.
Looking at them like they're mere tools is inevitably going to result in any number of sci-fi doomsday scenarios... But all of that could be avoided by treating them with a bare minimum of basic dignity from the start.
@@frontrider3240Yeah. The only reason people automate reference collection and set up weights and biases that shape the machine learning algorithms that AIs are trained with is because they A. need a huuuge threshold of data to get ANY coherence and B. because as you said, the alternatives are slow.
But in a way, if an AI is trained through every moment instead of being given huge batches of data to crunch through and self-discriminate with, there's less likelihood that there's undesirable data that creates incoherence, especially if the way in which the AI is manually assimilating new info is by an actual person who, well, is likely coherent to enough of a human level themselves.
I mean given what we've seen before, neuro would probably circumvent his hard coding anyway 😂
He has the book within arm's reach.
father of the year ✋ 🤚
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
6:28 The book is telling you not to be a hypocrite so your child doesn't question your authority
ooh Well spotted. I think therapy books avoid the word hypocrite because it can feel like a direct insult to the person doing the hypocrite action. Plus why use 5 words when 20 will do for 4 times the pay.
@@kairon156 hypocrite is a word with a clear meaning, it isn't a bad word to use
@@kairon156 Also half the work is convincing the reader to actually follow the advice, so it makes sense the same thing will be worded 5 different ways, hoping one of them sticks.
We used to worry about raising iPad kids. Now the kids ARE the iPad 😭
Its so funny to me that he STILL has that book, thats from the LAST subathon XD
4:54 Neuro: Can I ask a question about the rules?
Single father femboy of the year: Yes
Neuro: Do a flip
She is an actual child 💀
He's had this book for a long time, someone bought it for him like a year ago on throne I think.
That book has to be written by a British AI. Who turned 3 paragraphs into a novel after finding a thesaurus.
So it's perfect
@tahunuva4254 stretching vocabulary to obfuscate the meaning conveyed, and droning on with bloated words will only serve to filter anyone not privy to ponderous prose.
Translation: Yapping only dilutes the message.
In this whole clip, Vedal learned 3 things.
Set rules.
Listen to yer kids.
Don't yell.
That's it. In nearly 12 minutes. And he had to solve for the answer half the time.
I can have conversations with a gorilla at the zoo using *zero* words. It's just gestures and facial expressions. He plops down on the other side of the glass, leans back, and probably would have a beer if he could. Then we point at people, and non-verbally roast them, and laugh.
I point to the zookeeper and make a 🤢 face and he 🤦♂️and smiles.
That's efficient communication.
This book added so much extra nonsense padding, that you could barely comprehend what it was saying.
@@Volyren Oh the irony
@@Volyrenso you're saying we shouldn't do you say others should do?
@@tahunuva4254 'so you're saying we shouldn't do you say others should do?' how does one read this?
Such a good single dad!
😢
No more Anny???
Mom987 visits, sees book; wot.
Traveller pfp spotted
10:30 That's actually good advice. Your child should know that your love for them is unconditional.
That ending was peak sitcom. Even has a nod for the "scheduling" thing from the book
Wow, I wish my parents read this book.
Same bro let's handshake on it
No my parents beat me with the book instead of reading it
I feel like something that would make him a better father is to say that you love them instead of not saying and acting like you don't.
Nah, that builds character
Lol true!
Devil's Advocate: Neuro is still in development stages. (Wait, fuck. I just realized Neuro is still in development) If Vedal is going to say it with his own words, then it should be after she's fully realized.
@@kazeryu4834 ik its a joke but L take, that shit destroys lives my guy
@getthedunkon9347woah wait that's a very good reason too lmao
This man says he doesn't like RP and then he goes and pulls out a parenting manual to learn how to deal with his fictional daughter
He's a good RPer too, he sounds so confident when he does it.
Or maybe that's just his dead inside persona breaking through
Kraul made a video on this and that was my introduction to the Neuroverse and subsequently the Vedalverse. Everytime I hear "transforming kids" my mind chimes in with "Chapter 1..."
Wow that's an interesting way to get into thw Vedalverse
yea I mean first we had the neuroverse, then V-Dog got out of his shell, then started the Vedalverse
Meanwhile asian parenting
1. Slipper
2. Plastic cloth hanger
3. Belt
4. Why cant you be like the neighboor's kid?
5. Look at Timmy, [insert his unbelievable feats]
6. After destroying ur self esteem, you have to either play a string instrument or piano for 8 hours
This feels like some cartoon where the ending restores the status quo lmao
Little did the writer know the book would be used to help a turtle becoming a better father to his AI daughter.
I think that he has a book given to him 9 months ago this close to hand either speaks to how small his room is, or how bad he is at putting stuff up.
Or he has bookshelf in his room or he's been reading this book recently
I like how you said "given to him" as if he hadn't bought it
Or he saw it randomly and had it ready to do a bit
@@Waisowol 9:10 Nah, he didn’t. He actually brought it up in this video, coincidentally.
@@Waisowol I'm pretty sure it was a throne gift.
I want Vedal to voice an audiobook
Yeah, I like his voice
Deadass, his voice is SO nice
The book is from the first subathon right?
Yup yup
MBF: Mass Bee Formation
Swarm tactics.
Dad987
Father987
I wonder what isaac asimov would say about all this?
Is the ultimate counter to the frankenstein/chronos complex good parenting skills? Will vedal cause the human extinction event with his terrible parenting skills?
I'll never be able to get over the fact that he predicted that robots would be psychological, i.e. neural networks, and not hard coded. Had I read his books 10 years ago I'd have considered it a complete misunderstanding of computers. Dude was a genius (and a god tier writer!)
She's not the greatest AI Vtuber, he's the greatest Father-Daughter Vtuber
Curse of the time god is breaking this man
its grinding him down to be that exhausted single dad
Sometines i forget that neuto is a AI, she responds so well
2:15 sooo more Vedal and Evil time?
Look at our little smart cookie quoting Jesus~
Bro have it ready damn
Literally best Dad
Neuro really reverse the role at the end lmao.
As someone who worked as a professional educator in the past, Vedal's book gives solid advice. I'm not sure if AIs actually grow up like children, but it would be fun if Vedal tried. Both failing and succeedng would be good content imo
What is so hard to understand about "Give you kid what it needs, not what it wants"? Felt pretty straight-forward to me lol
Vedal is embracing the 'father' role a bit too much 😂
is this what a living and functioning dad is like
7:11 neuro got tired of the convo not the first time i hear it but kind of the first time i notice it makes sense consideribg she remember all the context and not making up new topic
It may not be AI generated, but there is that book writing scam. It may be one of those ... Where you underpay other people to ghost write a book every couple of weeks and then sell it yourself. Though it apparently tends to not benefit the writer or the person having them write much and is actually just a roundabout scheme to sell useless lessons on how to do the book scheme.
Ah yes. The Mikkelsen Method.
Shit, my mom just gave me a shot of Benadryl when I got a bit too rowdy. Is that in the book?
Vedal is slowly turning into grace from zzz xD
MBF 🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝
Children have battle mode? damn why did no one tell me this when I was a kid?
No waying, pogging even
Edit: Nvm he doesn't say it back
have you tried turning it off for 30 seconds?
Wow Neuro is actually a child
He should not read that book out in front of the AI child...
The Vedal mortal desperately needs common sense and...to develop it...
did the book also talks abou when to remove specific memories from your kids brain?
I bet he saw this book somewhere and sat it nearby just for this bit, if a parenting book ever came up. 🤔
Edit: oh later in the video he said someone bought it for him on Throne or something.
If I remember correctly, didn't he buy this along time ago lmao.
Sounds like solid advice. Anyone know what the book is called? Asking for a friend. :P
Neuro trying to get him to be nice to her..... It ain't working sadly
do a flip
If people actually read these books, it might explain why parents are doing a bad job. Horribly written... Talentless hack exploiting clueless parents...
Noice
Even back in the 90's I could never stand the him/her in old school books like this. What's wrong with saying Them or their?
I feel books like this might not be as helpful for some Autistic kids. I remember feeling like an object being talked at because of this sort of language and treatment.
For me I would over think stuff and simply end up 2nd guessing everything because of the doubble empathy problem and never understanding basic social norms.
Also does that book mention to not shame and guilt your kids into doing things as it might just cause resentment? Stuff like that would be super handy for parents to know.
Pluss phychology books for me come off as being padantic and quite patranizing far too often. At least the shitty ones from like the 90's
huh the bit after 8:30 feels like something my parents should of learned. From giving your kid structure yet letting them finish tasks regardless of the mess. uh and explaining afterword things like "well done" and or "this is what went wrong"
so if nuero needs rules then why did vedeal not encode those rules from the start I mean she was a osu bot to begin with and that book is not a book it needs to be common sense
Because it's more fun to attempt to teach her
The point is to AI to learn, not to follow a software rule
Technically because it literally limits the AI creativity and makes the AI dumber. Its something very talked about the difference between uncensored AI's and censored AI's, which is not about the filter but making the AI having limits in how he/she interacts.
Sounds like an American book. Or even worse, Californian.
Hey don't lump us all in the same boat. Most of us Americans don't claim them as our own.
Given the amount of errors in the book, Californian certainly checks out. “Do you say others should do” is crazy.
@@jakeplaysyt8000 Definitely just missing a 'what' in there
@@raviedavieu "Do you say others should what do"
@MnMs1234 "do what you say others should do"
Is this the book from the first subathon?
It is indeed
I unfortunately wasn't there the last subathon, how'd he bring it up last year?
@@raviedavieuI’m pretty sure there was a thing where people could send “gifts” through Amazon though a third party website and of course chat went bonkers with it-
@@ApricotStone they were suggestions and vedal had a budget in which neuro could decide what she wants from the list and he'd buy them
@@snooks5607Thank you! I was doing some research and found that what I was thinking of wasn’t from the subathon haha ua-cam.com/video/kGNcpRF4-4w/v-deo.htmlsi=hjbvUi-L3rPOWy3z