Are you looking for the perfect cruising sailboat for your around the world dreams, or maybe just a comfy boat for living aboard? What features are most important to you?
Your Reasoning for getting what will be a good and well proven Seaboat are pretty much in line with my Sailboat Choices along the way to my last Sailboat, a Long Keel Shallow draft Endeavour 32, a fair bit smaller to single Hand. She was an Outstanding Seaboat but Taught me a hell of a lot including just how misleading and how misled I have been for most of my Sailing Life because of one word - Bluewater - Being disabled I immediately hit issues that an definitely apply to others. That Stern on a double ender - an absolute Nightmare just getting on and off the Tender - as an aside, getting in and out of a Centre Cockpit is also a serious problem, plus most CC Sailboats have very steep Companionways with lots of Steps, with not very good handholds for going up and down them. Classic Masts with Lazyjacks and Stackpacks pretty much a rarely usable liability, All Durling, all lines led back to the Cockpit including in Mast Furling leading to an Aft Cockpit with a Sugarscoop or drop down bathing platform to work as a secure Tender Dock, with easy access to a large comfortable Rear Cockpit, which at Anchor, and 80% of the time is going to be the most used Room on the Boat. Realising Things like that is when I realised the Replacement for Bluewater needs to be Liveaboard Distance Distance Cruising - and with that priority, the Right Sailboats will always be easy to ,updater with. So my Next Sailboat is 47ft LOA, Decent Displacement with a lovely Hull Design, and New, because Customisations needed to accommodate my Disabilities are available as Standard Construction Options, most at no extra Cost. It has a Sugarscoop Stern - Dock Box ticked, in Mast Furling - Standard, worthwhile extra cost options - a Hard Dodger and a Hard Aft Cockpit Arch for Solar Panels and Davits, I'm tempted to go for the Seldene fully automated push button Sail Handling. Very Secure Aft to Starboard Galley, with a large Utility and engine room behind it. Two Heads with secure sit down Showers, and 7 Berths total with a Port side settee Berth instead of Captain's Chairs. Believe it or not, as I can no longer do Boatwork Myself. Buying a decent similar sized suitable Secondhand Sailboat, and getting it Customised to what I need, would cost a Heck of a lot morevthan a New Boat From Island Packet with all of it Built into a New Boat. So God Willing I live long enough for my Piggybank to fill up and put the Order in, I'm after an IP 439. I think you'll like the Similarities tbh. Best Wishes and Hoping everything goes well with your Refurbishment. Bob landlocked in Wales still. 👍⛵️✨️✨️✨️
@@brownnoise357 Hi Bob. Your reasoning is sound. I definitely don’t think refitting an old boat is anyway to save money. I am rooting for you with your new build one of these days. Keep in touch about that. I would love to see that sometime. All the best.
@@livingforsail Will do, the Boat will be provisionally Registered in the BVI, and delivered there for me, So Final Registration Details can be done by a BVI Surveyor, and I really need to be Based around there for 3 or 4 years, with visits to Mexico to pick up Medicines available there to start reversing the Disabilities, so around the Caribbean, then down to Northern Argentina ish for Burricane Season, or up to Massachusetts. Once the Piggybank is refilled, Food and Drinks on my Boat for you guys , would be most welcome. God willing I live that long though. If so, after fixing most or hopefully all disabilities, I'll be off to the Eastern Med, waiting for a big Sailboat Discount for the Suez Canal, then a Stop at Saudi Arabia to marvel at their incredible desalination drip irrigation turning the Desert into Productive Farmland. It's Mind Boggling that Saudi Arabia is now an exporter of High Quality Fruit and Vegetables. seeing a short video of it was a jaw dropper. Then into the Pacific and across to India, those are very provisional plans though. Best Wishes and Fair Winds. Bob. 👍⛵️✨️✨️✨️❤️
The boat in excellent shape. Love its' layout, smart choice! understand completely why you decided on this boat with its sleek design and all its classic traditional features. glad to hear your restoring it to its original condition as well, and keeping its traditional appearance. looking forward to seeing this restoration. cheers.
The youtube algorithm took me to your channel and I’m glad it did. Thank you for the walkthrough and your thoughts about finding the right boat for you. Our boat selection process was an almost exact mirror of yours and we are now two years into the refit of the Norseman 447 that was the result of our search. I look forward to following your project.
Very cool! I love the Norseman 447 and was looking for one when I found out liberty. Is yours the aft or center cockpit? Where did you find your Norseman? I was looking at one on the east coast about the same time you would have picked up your boat. Maybe the same one?! Haha. Thanks for watching and the feedback. Glad to have you aboard!🙏🙌
It's cool how all of these boats build in Taiwan have basically the same interior. We have a 1984 Passport 47 and all the trim, doors, cabinetry, ceiling... look exactly the same. I am looking down the barrel of a big refit on our boat as well. I'm glad you are out in front of me so that I can learn from your experiences. But I can probably offer some insights too given that we have owned the boat since 2007 and already done some big projects like the fridge/freezer rebuild.
The passports are like cousins to this boat. Wendell was partners with Peter Hoyt when that project and so I think much of the design considerations were shared. Keep in touch and thanks for watching. Cheers! 🙌👍
Jon, Matt here, Liberty 458 hull #1. In fact it's my boat in that brocure you showed. Very interested in watching all these videos. I'm overdue for some of this, but luckily my deck is still stiff. Tearing it open is not at the top of the list but needs to be done at some point i'm sure. I'm a bit behind on videos but glad you are documenting all this. I'm sure many others including myself will benefit.
Hey Matt. Thanks for tuning in! That’s cool that you have #1. Is your stem head fitting mounted above the bulwark still like it was originally? It looks like there was some changes there in later boats.
A lot a beautiful woodwork in the interior ! / Fire extinguisher in the foreword head is an interesting safety feature , I wonder if the previous owners spent a lot of time in the Caribbean ? eating Hot 🔥 spicy local dishes ? ( helpful for putting out the flames the following day 😹😹) a bit of Salty humour for you 😸😺
What an incredible teak fit out down below, in very good condition. Agree with the conservative compromise on the underbelly. Undersides of this type and era will be fast compared to a full keel, but track well with a soft, no pounding motion that make them much better suited for long passages than the fat French plastic, card board interior boat du jour. I think you've made an excellent choice. Many of the teak design elements below remind me of the Passport 40...
Good eye there! I think the passport and Liberty boats share some design elements. Peter Hoyt was partners with Wendell from passport for a time and there are a few similarities with the interior and deck elements that I’ve noticed too. 👍
I'd never heard of the Liberty 458, but recognised it as a Doug Peterson hull design as soon as I saw that side view at 1:40 In fact, I'd be surprised if this didn't come out of the Peterson 44/46 hull mould. I think I'll now be looking out for one of these. It's fantastic!
The directional stability has only a little to do with the keel and rudder. Mostly it is about hull shape. The hull shape is balanced, meaning not too fat and not too asymmetrical when heeled both laterally and longitudinally. Modern fat-assed boats have massive volume aft and when heeled this forces the bow down, making the underwater shape very asymmetrical which generates lots of steering forces in addition to the rig. The two most directionally stable boats I have ever sailed were both fin and spade. Both were relatively long and narrow. Both would steer themselves for 30-60 minutes very effectively. A starboard galley is ideal for the South Pacific crossing as it's mostly port tack. Most galleys were on the other side traditionally to enable cooking as boats hove to on the right of way starboard tack
Thanks for the clarification Nigel. Some interesting points there. The stern of the boat is pinched back in so I assume the symmetry is working in my favor. Cheers!
@@livingforsail Exactly. It works in your favour until very high speed/length ratios when the stern will sink a little. And for steering or seakeepiqng it's only the immersed hull that counts, and what's immersed at 10⁰ and 15⁰. In a seaway these boats just behave better. A couple of other points: the force on the rigging, sails, engine, rudder etc increases a bit more than linearly with displacement. So a boat that is lighter for it's length requires less force to do the same speed, is easier to steer and wears the gear and crew out less. In practice each crew requires about the same 2-4 tons of water, gear etc, so your displacement is this plus the boat structure. That's why shorter boats have to be heavy displacement. So if you stretch the boat longer you can end up with a boat that's not bigger, just longer, that's easy to sail ( same size rig), goes much faster, is safer and just more fun. If you double the size of a boat, the righting moment multiplies by 16! So it's much easier to make a longer boat with a lighter D/L ratio. My current boat is 16.5 tons on a 60 ft LWL. The rig is the same size as my previous 43 ft boat. It's much easier to sail and the autopilot never works hard.
I know this isn’t about the money, for you,, but I have a question that is about the money: by the time you are finished how much of your own cash do you think you will have invested? How much of your own time do you think you will have invested? And com combined with the initial cost of purchasing the boat, what will be the total invested? The reason I ask is that the funds invested or at least a measure of the efficiency of the process? If nothing else I love the fact that you are restoring a thing of beauty, and environmentally it makes great sense. But for many others looking at this project, it may well be far more efficient for them to buy a new boat that is almost ready to go.
It’s too early to answer your money questions. Also, assume that to fix up the boat AND make videos about it along the way more than doubles the time invested. Here is a certain fact in any case: Boats are all tremendous investments in both time and money and there’s no way around that. Even a brand new boat requires hours and $$$ from the moment it’s launched. As John Kretschmer says in his book “sailing a serious ocean” - if sailing is your dream, don’t buy a fixer upper. Your time is too precious (paraphrasing). This project is something that I want to do AND I realize that it’s not the best or most efficient way and certainly not for everyone. Hope that helps a bit… 🤷♂️ 👍🙌
@@livingforsailJohn - my question was a loaded one. I have a beautiful bluewater cruiser, a Shearwater 45 from 1999, designed by Dudley Dix. Now 25 yrs old I was thinking to sell her and buy something new that is light/fast/voluminous/ etc but instead I elected to do what YOU are doing - just take what I have and renovate, refresh, refurbish, refit . I’m firm in my belief that I will end up with something that I know and love, and (at least) bears comparison with any great bluewater cruiser out there today. I LOVE what you are doing and am glued to every video you make. Thank you 🙏
@@stevenschapera2888 Haha. Right on! I love that. I think you'll be happy that you did. As you said, you will know the boat amazingly well if you do this and you'll have something that you're very happy with. I think it's a great idea and thanks for watching the videos! All the best with your projects!
Beautiful! Just what I need to have to live on and go around Mediterranean while living on Croatian coast and to have my 6 and 12 years old to come and stay with me for weeks and months on ... But say, how tall are you!? I'm 6ft2....
I am not sure of the total volume. I will report back on that in the next episode I think. It's a reasonable size for the boat in my opinion but I wouldn't say that it is oversized. I will be completely gutting and rebuilding that as part of the refit.
@@livingforsail just remember that many countries confiscate food on entry. There is little point in having a massive fridge and freezer capacity just to give it all to biosecurity officers. Your longest passage is likely to be 3-4 weeks
Great layout and it looks to be in great condition! Well taken care off by the looks of the engine. Hope you will respect the classic design and not rip everything out and paint it white to make it "modern".
The interior is in pretty good condition apart from a few areas. I am hoping to keep the boat more or less as original as possible. You won't find an interior like this at any of the boat shows... I might paint out a very select panel or two but I am a wood worker before I worked as an engineer and respect the teak too much to cover it all up. Thanks for checking out the boat with us!
Nice boat! Refit will be a lot of work on deck but it,s all doable. The interior is beautiful as is!! Modernizing and such but howz the wiring?? That can be a lot of cussing! How much was it??
Your camera operator did a nice job of following you around 👍 nice and steady . Question about the Grey ? blotchy at 1:29 on the hull that looks like a critter died while trying to eat its way through the hull ? any idea what happened there ? ( split this up into 3 posts as the y.t algo will see it as more traffic , hopefully gets you more visibility 😸 / and I ❤kicking the algorithm in its shins 😸)
Yeah, good question. That is the 1.5" bronze thru hull fitting for the forward head discharge. There was a very dense muscle cluster there when the boat was hauled out and this is what remained after. All of the thru hull metal is getting refreshed (more on that in the next episode). This might all be leading back to your last comment about the forward head... 😂
Myth Busters tested the idea that a top load freezer was more efficient than a front loader and found that was a Myth. In testing It had made very little difference and the front loaders actually came out on top. It would logically seem that the cold spilling out of the box would cause a large loss in stored cold that needs to be made up. It actuality, all of the cold lost is in the air which has very little latent heat capacity. The much greater percentage of the stored cold is in the frozen food inside. The warm air that replaces the cold air is cooled back down almost immediately. You see this every time that you try to reopen the fridge door just after you close it and find that it is much harder the second time. This is because all of the warm air rapidly chilled which lowers the pressure of the air and creates a partial vacuum.
I have not seen that episode but it makes a lot of sense! We have an upright freezer and when you close it you can hear the air hissing as it pulls that vacuum and it’s pretty much impossible to open for 5 seconds or so. We definitely want to keep the front access so this helps with the reasoning. Cheers.
@@haydenwatson5771 exactly. I’ll do some more reading on that. It sounds like a good topic for an upcoming episode about rebuilding the fridge/freezer. Thanks so much! 🙏👍🙌
In the Capt.'s Stateroom & ensuite your feet hang off the bed and your headroom in the shower seemed minimal. Im curious for perspective; how tall are you?
Hi. In that clip I didn’t sit all the way back in the bed. The bed is 60” wide and 78” long (a bit of a funny shape, but those are the nominal dimensions). It’s a decent size for me and I am 6’0” without shoes on. The headroom at the foot of the bed is 6’1” at its minimum. The headroom in the aft head is 6’1”. The headroom in the standing aft shower is 6’2”. I hope that helps. Cheers!
Yes. It is 1 more than I require. Haha. We will be recording the rest of the journey and definitely the splash. I just always say 2 more years and will up until the day she’s in the water. 😆
Very nice boat. From own similar experience, I suggest you replace all and every electrical cable. In my case I found hidden corrosion in cables, whereas the copper was crumbling away inside the sheeting. Good luck!
Yes, the survey suggested that the decks were likely wet in spots but with 1/2" of teak on top and no access to the underside from the interior except for a small section at the bow it was impossible to know for sure without destructive testing. We adjusted our offer to reflect a likely complete deck replacement.
Are you looking for the perfect cruising sailboat for your around the world dreams, or maybe just a comfy boat for living aboard? What features are most important to you?
Your Reasoning for getting what will be a good and well proven Seaboat are pretty much in line with my Sailboat Choices along the way to my last Sailboat, a Long Keel Shallow draft Endeavour 32, a fair bit smaller to single Hand. She was an Outstanding Seaboat but Taught me a hell of a lot including just how misleading and how misled I have been for most of my Sailing Life because of one word - Bluewater - Being disabled I immediately hit issues that an definitely apply to others. That Stern on a double ender - an absolute Nightmare just getting on and off the Tender - as an aside, getting in and out of a Centre Cockpit is also a serious problem, plus most CC Sailboats have very steep Companionways with lots of Steps, with not very good handholds for going up and down them. Classic Masts with Lazyjacks and Stackpacks pretty much a rarely usable liability, All Durling, all lines led back to the Cockpit including in Mast Furling leading to an Aft Cockpit with a Sugarscoop or drop down bathing platform to work as a secure Tender Dock, with easy access to a large comfortable Rear Cockpit, which at Anchor, and 80% of the time is going to be the most used Room on the Boat. Realising Things like that is when I realised the Replacement for Bluewater needs to be Liveaboard Distance Distance Cruising - and with that priority, the Right Sailboats will always be easy to ,updater with. So my Next Sailboat is 47ft LOA, Decent Displacement with a lovely Hull Design, and New, because Customisations needed to accommodate my Disabilities are available as Standard Construction Options, most at no extra Cost. It has a Sugarscoop Stern - Dock Box ticked, in Mast Furling - Standard, worthwhile extra cost options - a Hard Dodger and a Hard Aft Cockpit Arch for Solar Panels and Davits, I'm tempted to go for the Seldene fully automated push button Sail Handling. Very Secure Aft to Starboard Galley, with a large Utility and engine room behind it. Two Heads with secure sit down Showers, and 7 Berths total with a Port side settee Berth instead of Captain's Chairs. Believe it or not, as I can no longer do Boatwork Myself. Buying a decent similar sized suitable Secondhand Sailboat, and getting it Customised to what I need, would cost a Heck of a lot morevthan a New Boat From Island Packet with all of it Built into a New Boat. So God Willing I live long enough for my Piggybank to fill up and put the Order in, I'm after an IP 439. I think you'll like the Similarities tbh. Best Wishes and Hoping everything goes well with your Refurbishment. Bob landlocked in Wales still. 👍⛵️✨️✨️✨️
@@brownnoise357 Hi Bob. Your reasoning is sound. I definitely don’t think refitting an old boat is anyway to save money.
I am rooting for you with your new build one of these days. Keep in touch about that. I would love to see that sometime. All the best.
@@livingforsail Will do, the Boat will be provisionally Registered in the BVI, and delivered there for me, So Final Registration Details can be done by a BVI Surveyor, and I really need to be Based around there for 3 or 4 years, with visits to Mexico to pick up Medicines available there to start reversing the Disabilities, so around the Caribbean, then down to Northern Argentina ish for Burricane Season, or up to Massachusetts. Once the Piggybank is refilled, Food and Drinks on my Boat for you guys , would be most welcome. God willing I live that long though. If so, after fixing most or hopefully all disabilities, I'll be off to the Eastern Med, waiting for a big Sailboat Discount for the Suez Canal, then a Stop at Saudi Arabia to marvel at their incredible desalination drip irrigation turning the Desert into Productive Farmland. It's Mind Boggling that Saudi Arabia is now an exporter of High Quality Fruit and Vegetables. seeing a short video of it was a jaw dropper. Then into the Pacific and across to India, those are very provisional plans though. Best Wishes and Fair Winds. Bob. 👍⛵️✨️✨️✨️❤️
@@brownnoise357 that sounds amazing Bob! I wish you the best with those plans!
The way you call out the walk through on the hull layout is perfect, how every boat tour ever should be!!
Thanks. There’s more to it than just the interior right?! Haha. 🙏🙌👍
Good tour ... interior is in surprisingly good condition given the boat's age.
It really is! Thank you. 🙏🙏
I love the layout of the boat. It is a well-planned boat for cruising and has lots of storage. Cheers.
We do too! Thanks! 🙏🙌
The boat in excellent shape. Love its' layout, smart choice! understand completely why you decided on this boat with its sleek design and all its classic traditional features. glad to hear your restoring it to its original condition as well, and keeping its traditional appearance. looking forward to seeing this restoration. cheers.
Thank you! I really like the classic boats. It’s going to be a fun project. Thanks for watching! 🙏👍🙌
The interior wood is in great shape period, then for the age, amazing. Good Luck!
It is like you have said. There are only a few areas of the woodwork that need a touch up.
Hello Jon, my name is Lothar. I am also an Owner of a Liberty 458. My Yacht is Buld 1988. You got a nice and robust Yacht.
Hi. Nice to meet a another Liberty owner. Thanks for saying hi. Hopefully we will see you “out there” one of these days. 😊
Beautiful boat!
Thank you Tim. We love it.
Such a wonderful boat. Great find.
Thank you! 🙏👍🙌
The youtube algorithm took me to your channel and I’m glad it did. Thank you for the walkthrough and your thoughts about finding the right boat for you. Our boat selection process was an almost exact mirror of yours and we are now two years into the refit of the Norseman 447 that was the result of our search. I look forward to following your project.
Very cool! I love the Norseman 447 and was looking for one when I found out liberty. Is yours the aft or center cockpit?
Where did you find your Norseman? I was looking at one on the east coast about the same time you would have picked up your boat. Maybe the same one?! Haha. Thanks for watching and the feedback. Glad to have you aboard!🙏🙌
@@livingforsail She was is Tracys Landing, MD when we found her. Herrington Marina North. Center cockpit and thankfully no teak deck, ever 👌.
@@torstenhansen4308 Sunflower by any chance?
@@livingforsail That’s the one. You probably wouldn’t recognize her now…. 🤓
@@torstenhansen4308 I had my eyes on that boat 😳. Keep in touch about what you’re up to.
That is one lovely yacht
Thanks Kevin. Antidote is a great boat. With a bit of love and elbow grease it will be an amazing cruising boat. Cheers
It's cool how all of these boats build in Taiwan have basically the same interior. We have a 1984 Passport 47 and all the trim, doors, cabinetry, ceiling... look exactly the same. I am looking down the barrel of a big refit on our boat as well. I'm glad you are out in front of me so that I can learn from your experiences. But I can probably offer some insights too given that we have owned the boat since 2007 and already done some big projects like the fridge/freezer rebuild.
The passports are like cousins to this boat. Wendell was partners with Peter Hoyt when that project and so I think much of the design considerations were shared.
Keep in touch and thanks for watching. Cheers!
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Jon, Matt here, Liberty 458 hull #1. In fact it's my boat in that brocure you showed. Very interested in watching all these videos. I'm overdue for some of this, but luckily my deck is still stiff. Tearing it open is not at the top of the list but needs to be done at some point i'm sure. I'm a bit behind on videos but glad you are documenting all this. I'm sure many others including myself will benefit.
Hey Matt. Thanks for tuning in! That’s cool that you have #1. Is your stem head fitting mounted above the bulwark still like it was originally? It looks like there was some changes there in later boats.
That boat has to be the best layout, I’ve seen on a sailboat !!! Cheers
Thanks Kevin. We fell in love with the layout instantly... haha.
A lot a beautiful woodwork in the interior ! / Fire extinguisher in the foreword head is an interesting safety feature , I wonder if the previous
owners spent a lot of time in the Caribbean ? eating Hot 🔥 spicy local dishes ? ( helpful for putting out the flames the following day 😹😹) a bit
of Salty humour for you 😸😺
Haha!
It's incredible of how well kept is the interior.
The previous owner was a great sailor for sure.
It is pretty impressive. The interior is in great shape. I wish I could say the same about the deck… 😳
@@livingforsail Yeah, the deck is a pure mess sadly.
What an incredible teak fit out down below, in very good condition. Agree with the conservative compromise on the underbelly. Undersides of this type and era will be fast compared to a full keel, but track well with a soft, no pounding motion that make them much better suited for long passages than the fat French plastic, card board interior boat du jour. I think you've made an excellent choice. Many of the teak design elements below remind me of the Passport 40...
Good eye there! I think the passport and Liberty boats share some design elements. Peter Hoyt was partners with Wendell from passport for a time and there are a few similarities with the interior and deck elements that I’ve noticed too. 👍
Looking forward to the next 300 "VID's".
Thank you for the encouragement Brian. Hopefully by Episode 300 we will be at least halfway around the world 😀
Thats a really nice boat.
Thank you!
@@livingforsail I am fixing up a little Irwin 28 and its pretty embarrassing compared to yours. I am so envious.
@@martyb3783 “All boats are beautiful” a wise man once said.
It has a nice layout and construction. Yes the forward head will be not so fun in a seaway, but I prefer it to a v berth.
Me too. The v berth always feels a bit cramped to me. I prefer the “8 second head”
This is one of the best layouts I've ever seen. Amazing, what they fit into the size.
It is really quite impressive what they can do!
Nice tour, nice boat: great video! Looking forward to the restoration
Thanks. Glad to have you aboard for the journey!
I'd never heard of the Liberty 458, but recognised it as a Doug Peterson hull design as soon as I saw that side view at 1:40
In fact, I'd be surprised if this didn't come out of the Peterson 44/46 hull mould.
I think I'll now be looking out for one of these. It's fantastic!
That’s a good eye! The history of the hull is murky but Peterson is credited with the design and it is probably the KP46 that is the closest cousin…
Niko 😻 is clearly a Daddy's Boi 😸😺 / lol'd at the he doesn't know he's going to be a Sailor -yet- bit 😹
He loves me until Bridget's lap becomes available. He is always looking for a better offer. Ha!
Great layout and very nice wood work. You chose wisely.
Thank you! 🙏👍🙌
Beautiful boat!! Fabulous layout, love it❤️👍⚓️🇬🇧😎
Thank you! The layout is top notch in my book. Thanks for the feedback! 🙌
Great video. Looking forward to learning more as you go.
Thanks Ted!
The directional stability has only a little to do with the keel and rudder. Mostly it is about hull shape. The hull shape is balanced, meaning not too fat and not too asymmetrical when heeled both laterally and longitudinally. Modern fat-assed boats have massive volume aft and when heeled this forces the bow down, making the underwater shape very asymmetrical which generates lots of steering forces in addition to the rig. The two most directionally stable boats I have ever sailed were both fin and spade. Both were relatively long and narrow. Both would steer themselves for 30-60 minutes very effectively.
A starboard galley is ideal for the South Pacific crossing as it's mostly port tack. Most galleys were on the other side traditionally to enable cooking as boats hove to on the right of way starboard tack
Thanks for the clarification Nigel. Some interesting points there. The stern of the boat is pinched back in so I assume the symmetry is working in my favor. Cheers!
@@livingforsail Exactly. It works in your favour until very high speed/length ratios when the stern will sink a little. And for steering or seakeepiqng it's only the immersed hull that counts, and what's immersed at 10⁰ and 15⁰. In a seaway these boats just behave better. A couple of other points: the force on the rigging, sails, engine, rudder etc increases a bit more than linearly with displacement. So a boat that is lighter for it's length requires less force to do the same speed, is easier to steer and wears the gear and crew out less. In practice each crew requires about the same 2-4 tons of water, gear etc, so your displacement is this plus the boat structure. That's why shorter boats have to be heavy displacement. So if you stretch the boat longer you can end up with a boat that's not bigger, just longer, that's easy to sail ( same size rig), goes much faster, is safer and just more fun. If you double the size of a boat, the righting moment multiplies by 16! So it's much easier to make a longer boat with a lighter D/L ratio. My current boat is 16.5 tons on a 60 ft LWL. The rig is the same size as my previous 43 ft boat. It's much easier to sail and the autopilot never works hard.
@@deerfootnz Nigel, I appreciate you sharing your experience here!
Nice boat and I am glad Bridget straightened you out on who the captain is - looking forward to seeing the scope of your restoration and projects.😁
Haha. Yep. 😳
Uhh Captain and commodore!!
Great video! Beautiful boat for sure! Very much looking forward to your refit.
Thank you Peter! Much appreciated and we are glad to have you aboard!
Beautiful ship!
Thank you!
I know this isn’t about the money, for you,, but I have a question that is about the money: by the time you are finished how much of your own cash do you think you will have invested? How much of your own time do you think you will have invested? And com combined with the initial cost of purchasing the boat, what will be the total invested? The reason I ask is that the funds invested or at least a measure of the efficiency of the process? If nothing else I love the fact that you are restoring a thing of beauty, and environmentally it makes great sense. But for many others looking at this project, it may well be far more efficient for them to buy a new boat that is almost ready to go.
It’s too early to answer your money questions. Also, assume that to fix up the boat AND make videos about it along the way more than doubles the time invested.
Here is a certain fact in any case: Boats are all tremendous investments in both time and money and there’s no way around that. Even a brand new boat requires hours and $$$ from the moment it’s launched.
As John Kretschmer says in his book “sailing a serious ocean” - if sailing is your dream, don’t buy a fixer upper. Your time is too precious (paraphrasing).
This project is something that I want to do AND I realize that it’s not the best or most efficient way and certainly not for everyone.
Hope that helps a bit… 🤷♂️
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@@livingforsailJohn - my question was a loaded one. I have a beautiful bluewater cruiser, a Shearwater 45 from 1999, designed by Dudley Dix. Now 25 yrs old I was thinking to sell her and buy something new that is light/fast/voluminous/ etc but instead I elected to do what YOU are doing - just take what I have and renovate, refresh, refurbish, refit . I’m firm in my belief that I will end up with something that I know and love, and (at least) bears comparison with any great bluewater cruiser out there today. I LOVE what you are doing and am glued to every video you make. Thank you 🙏
@@stevenschapera2888 Haha. Right on! I love that. I think you'll be happy that you did. As you said, you will know the boat amazingly well if you do this and you'll have something that you're very happy with. I think it's a great idea and thanks for watching the videos! All the best with your projects!
Beautiful! Just what I need to have to live on and go around Mediterranean while living on Croatian coast and to have my 6 and 12 years old to come and stay with me for weeks and months on ... But say, how tall are you!? I'm 6ft2....
I am just under 6’2” with my shoes on. The headroom is not a problem for me on the boat.
Maybe the camera didn't tell the whole story, but the fridge/freezer looks pretty compact for a long haul across an ocean...
I am not sure of the total volume. I will report back on that in the next episode I think. It's a reasonable size for the boat in my opinion but I wouldn't say that it is oversized. I will be completely gutting and rebuilding that as part of the refit.
@@livingforsail just remember that many countries confiscate food on entry. There is little point in having a massive fridge and freezer capacity just to give it all to biosecurity officers. Your longest passage is likely to be 3-4 weeks
@@deerfootnz This is another good point. There are few things that bother me more than throwing away perfectly good food!
Great layout and it looks to be in great condition! Well taken care off by the looks of the engine. Hope you will respect the classic design and not rip everything out and paint it white to make it "modern".
The interior is in pretty good condition apart from a few areas. I am hoping to keep the boat more or less as original as possible. You won't find an interior like this at any of the boat shows... I might paint out a very select panel or two but I am a wood worker before I worked as an engineer and respect the teak too much to cover it all up. Thanks for checking out the boat with us!
Nice boat! Refit will be a lot of work on deck but it,s all doable. The interior is beautiful as is!! Modernizing and such but howz the wiring?? That can be a lot of cussing! How much was it??
Thank you! It will be a lot of work but worth it. The wiring from the manufacturer was well organized and may be serviceable. We will see. Cheers!
Your camera operator did a nice job of following you around 👍 nice and steady . Question about the Grey ? blotchy at 1:29 on the hull that
looks like a critter died while trying to eat its way through the hull ? any idea what happened there ?
( split this up into 3 posts as the y.t algo will see it as more traffic , hopefully gets you more visibility 😸 / and I ❤kicking the algorithm in its shins 😸)
Yeah, good question. That is the 1.5" bronze thru hull fitting for the forward head discharge. There was a very dense muscle cluster there when the boat was hauled out and this is what remained after. All of the thru hull metal is getting refreshed (more on that in the next episode). This might all be leading back to your last comment about the forward head... 😂
@@livingforsail / Yes , that would explain a lot ! 😹😸😺
Myth Busters tested the idea that a top load freezer was more efficient than a front loader and found that was a Myth. In testing It had made very little difference and the front loaders actually came out on top. It would logically seem that the cold spilling out of the box would cause a large loss in stored cold that needs to be made up. It actuality, all of the cold lost is in the air which has very little latent heat capacity. The much greater percentage of the stored cold is in the frozen food inside. The warm air that replaces the cold air is cooled back down almost immediately.
You see this every time that you try to reopen the fridge door just after you close it and find that it is much harder the second time. This is because all of the warm air rapidly chilled which lowers the pressure of the air and creates a partial vacuum.
I have not seen that episode but it makes a lot of sense! We have an upright freezer and when you close it you can hear the air hissing as it pulls that vacuum and it’s pretty much impossible to open for 5 seconds or so.
We definitely want to keep the front access so this helps with the reasoning. Cheers.
@livingforsail Air just doesn't hold very many BTUs, so if you take out all the old air and put in new, it doesn't cost you very much.
@@haydenwatson5771 exactly. I’ll do some more reading on that. It sounds like a good topic for an upcoming episode about rebuilding the fridge/freezer.
Thanks so much! 🙏👍🙌
In the Capt.'s Stateroom & ensuite your feet hang off the bed and your headroom in the shower seemed minimal. Im curious for perspective; how tall are you?
Hi. In that clip I didn’t sit all the way back in the bed. The bed is 60” wide and 78” long (a bit of a funny shape, but those are the nominal dimensions). It’s a decent size for me and I am 6’0” without shoes on.
The headroom at the foot of the bed is 6’1” at its minimum.
The headroom in the aft head is 6’1”.
The headroom in the standing aft shower is 6’2”.
I hope that helps. Cheers!
I just think two shitters is too much in one boat lol 😂 I hope y’all record when you splash her. Do you have an idea how long that will be
Yes. It is 1 more than I require. Haha.
We will be recording the rest of the journey and definitely the splash. I just always say 2 more years and will up until the day she’s in the water. 😆
Very nice boat. From own similar experience, I suggest you replace all and every electrical cable. In my case I found hidden corrosion in cables, whereas the copper was crumbling away inside the sheeting. Good luck!
Did you even get a survey to know that the deck is rotten to the core???
Yes, the survey suggested that the decks were likely wet in spots but with 1/2" of teak on top and no access to the underside from the interior except for a small section at the bow it was impossible to know for sure without destructive testing. We adjusted our offer to reflect a likely complete deck replacement.