That was a great story and an excellent presentation. My Dad flew B-17's and P38's during the war as part of the mighty 8th Army Air Corp. He suffered a devastating crash while breaking in new pilots when they first arrived in England in late 1943, recovering after 3 months in hospital. He was credited for getting his crew out of the burning wreckage before collapsing. Apparently the pilot he was helping familiarize with the aircraft got the runway lights in his eyes and crashed in a beet field next to the runway. He remained in the service for 23 years serving from 1942-1965. Retired as a Lt. Colonel. Thank You for posting this, and for your great channel.
Awesome work like always!!! Channels like yours are a blessing to history buffs like myself, given what the so called "history" channel has turned into.
Correct, Colin was involved in many of them. He spent years tracking down pilots who may have fought each other, connecting the dots. Some of these are mentioned in his books. Thanks for watching.
Wow, two brave men among many. But I await the day when: They shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more." Thank You Professor.
Awesome video as always Colin. You should next do a video on Operation Tidal Wave, the most bloodiest and daring bombing raids in the European Theatre on the Romanian oilfields of Ploesti. Of the original 177 B-24 Liberators, only a third returned with five Medal of Honours awarded during this operation.
Colin my Man,, awesome as always! I must say you look magnificent in the foreground of that beautiful Mustang, which happens to be my favorite warbird of all 💜💜💜💜💜💜
This is another terrific episode of FORGOTTEN HISTORY with an equally terrific ending with both pilots becoming fast friends. As you know since subscribing I never miss an episode or opportunity to comment. This is due to the detail both you and Mike put forth. Alot of your stories I am knowledgeable of as much of it has been noted through out the years. But your one on one enterviews gives me a new perspective and keeps me captivated. My only regret is that I didn't have you for a professor. But then again I and thousands of others do now. Many thanks to you and Mike for all of ya'lls hard work.
Such a touching heartwarming video. These two pilots meeting up years later. One a top German fighter Pilot. The other an American P-51 Mustang Pilot. Who had an engagement with one another so long ago. Amazing to watch the outcome and their meeting in person so many years after. To truly become fast friends where once one was trying to shoot the other down. Incredible how this turned out so many years after WW2. 💪🏻🙏🏻✨
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL i do enjoy all your Forgotten History videos. This one where you were able to meet both pilots. Truly you are blessed having that opportunity. Thanks again for all your great work on these videos. 💪🏻🙏🏻✨
@@colinheaton5638 that is remarkable Colin. To be able to interview 400 subjects. No wonder your videos are so noteworthy. Yet the best Intel would definetly come from those who went through the event. Keep up your superb video content Colin. 💪🏻🙏🏻✨
I read about Capt. Jack Ilfrey. I read his book and he signed it for me. I called him a few times to ask questions about his experiences. While in the North African Campaign, before being sent to England for a second tour, half his squadron mates were killed. His book was a real eye openerI might add that Jack Ilfrey was in the same 20th fighter group as Joe Peterburs. Jack was shot down staffing a train, catching his P-38 lightning engine on fire he bailed out, evaded capture lodging locals until he was repatriated.
You my friend are blessed to meet such heroes. I’m sure you’re resume is quite impressive as well. Is there a possible story involving you we could have??
The description Schuck gave of his bailout process is similar to that described to me by Adolph Galland when I met him. He said the Allies assumed the Germans were using ejector seats in their fighters (a few did, but not very many). In reality the pilots were using a procedure whereby they released their harnesses, jettisoned the canopy, tucked their bodies tightly, and kicked the stick forward with their feet so the plane would rapidly drop away from them. The resulting effect gave the illusion of ejection. Galland then pondered why the enemy didn't do the same thing. Perhaps some did, but most accounts I've read of bailouts involved climbing out of the cockpit and jumping clear or rolling inverted and falling out.
That depended upon the aircraft, its flight characteristics and the canopy/cockpit configuration. Many pilots were struck by their vertical or horizontal stabilizers resutling in injury or even death, such as Peterburs' knee getting hit, Hans-Joachim Marseille and Graham George Buckland (Marseille's 65th victory ) both dying from being struck. Thanks for watching.
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL It's still true today. Before I retired, one of my tasks was reporting Class A mishaps to senior USAF staff, including when airmen did not survive ejection or recovery. But my most haunting memory is from my time in flight training where I was told the T-37 had the best ejection seat safety record with something like an 80% success rate. Yet a constant reminder that the law of probability is always at play was a photo in our classroom building of a student from a previous class who died during ejection. It didn't help that I had been the mortuary affairs duty officer who handled the preliminary funeral arrangements with his young widow and her parents. They do not remain paper statistics when you witness the aftermath.
@@Paladin1873 One pilot, Leo Thorsness said "ejecting is like hitting the wall while driving at high speed. You can only hope that the you avoid all the hard things around you."
My mother dated a man who became me friend and mentor when I was directionless back in high school (late 1980’s). This man’s name was Ron Harrison and he told me about his time in the CBs in the pacific. Unfortunately the woman he was dating wasn’t a nice person and he ended up leaving both of our lives. I guess he stayed in touch with her and she learned of his death from his son who was a professional comedian. I also know he lived in Kansas for a while after the war and one of the many jobs he held was a a school teacher. I’ve only been subscribed to this channel for less than a year so I don’t know all of the videos you did before I subscribed, but I would like to know more about Ron’s time in the service and about what the CBs faced while in the pacific. Thanks
If you have his full name you can contact the Dept. of the Navy, that may help, or even the National personnel records Center in St. Louis. Thanks for watching
My professor at Kent State University posed this question: The Titanic had a Sister Ship..Olympic. I fact check. Yes..and the possibility they were switched. I think yes! Please air this.. Respectful.. Bonnie Ohio
It actually had 2 sister ships. 3rd one was Britannic. In that regard there is an interesting person, Violet Jessop, a stewardess and nurse who served on all 3 ships, surviving the sinking of both Titanic and Britannic as well as the collision of Olympic with HMS Hawke. Lucky her!
I believe these two pilots respect for each other is the reason fighter pilots were called knights of the air. I met an AAF B17 navigator once. He said if the Germans would have had more ME 262s we might have lost the war in Europe. He told me the bomber gunners couldn't hit them because they were flying too fast. Great video, as usual!
You do know, the 262 wasn't the first operational jet fighter? You do know the P51 wasn't designed for long-range bomber escort? You do know these claims of multiple air victories, in one sorty, are as dubious as May West's claims of chastity? No? You should read more history books.
@@jorgejaime4325 Sadly, everyone doesn't know this. Also, the first jet aircraft in service was the Gloucester Meteor - just because it was assigned the task of shooting down V1s, and not the useless Me 262s, is a technicality.
My grandfather was part of the 55th FTR SQ 20th Ftr Gp. Would love to learn more about his time of serving. I have hos original flight book that was given to my by my aunt
Thanks Colin for another excellent video. I read about these events in Walter Schuck's book and your Me 262 Stormbird book (both excellent books and highly recommended to others), and it was great to listen to the narrated version along with the added videos. Looking forward to the next WWII video on this channel.
What a fantastic story, thank you very much for bringing it to us. Young people in Germany and young people in the United States. Need to learn what these people did in the very difficult time in the world.
Isn't it madness? Men in airplanes fight against each other for their respective nations. Some kill thousands of people by dropping bombs, others try to bring down as many bombers as possible to protect the defenseless population. After decades, they meet by chance and become friends. It's actually hard to understand that for one, the fight for life and death is seen as a lost game of chess. For the other, it was the path to victory.
Great research and narration! During WW2 my father worked on British merchant marine convoys supplying war materials to England. During 2 separate trips the ships were torpedoed by German submarines. Twice he and some of his other comrades were picked up from their life raft by another ship. After escaping death twice this way, father decided to jump ship in New York. However by coercion he was inducted into the US Army April, 1943 or get sent back to Hong Kong. Father served in Al Levy's unit the 288th (Chinese regiment) Field Artillery Observation Battalion under General Patton. Could you give me any information on unit 288th? Thanks!
0:38 Wrong pronouncation: It is not called "Meshersmid" but "Messerschmitt". The double-s comes first, the "sh" in "-schmitt" second. The origin of the name is "Messer", the german word for "knife", and "Schmied" (= "Schmitt"), wich means "blacksmith". A "Messerschmied" was a man who forged knives.
If I see another Me-262 variant flying then we might as well call in the F-22 pilots to ground it for good due to the Me-262 outspeed all the Allie’s world war 2 fighters.
Surprising that two men, an American P-51 pilot, and a German Me-262 pilot respectively, from opposing countries in WW2 would bury the hatchet and become friends 60 years after the war. It's reassuring they bore no ill-will toward each other. I'm sure they compared notes about their experiences. Many thanks for this first-class mini-doc, Colin. 🙂🛬
That was a great story and an excellent presentation.
My Dad flew B-17's and P38's during the war as part of the mighty 8th Army Air Corp. He suffered a devastating crash while breaking in new pilots when they first arrived in England in late 1943, recovering after 3 months in hospital. He was credited for getting his crew out of the burning wreckage before collapsing. Apparently the pilot he was helping familiarize with the aircraft got the runway lights in his eyes and crashed in a beet field next to the runway.
He remained in the service for 23 years serving from 1942-1965.
Retired as a Lt. Colonel.
Thank You for posting this, and for your great channel.
Thanks for the post and for your dad's service indeed.
Thank you for your dads service!
Another excellent video thanks for your great work sincerely Jose Silva from San Diego CA.
Thank you kindly.
Amazing story and narration... thanks again for your hard work and research!
We appreciate it, thanks for being a member and watching.
From enemies two best friends what an awesome world we live in.
Indeed. Thanks for watching
If it was not for idiotic wars we would find that most people would generally befriend one another.
It’s not the tens of millions of people who died that matter, it’s the friends we make along the way!
I guess colonizers end up being good friends especially when one friend has to submit to the other(German Empire submitting to the western Empire)
Kind of analogous to our two countries, now staunch allies.
Awesome work like always!!! Channels like yours are a blessing to history buffs like myself, given what the so called "history" channel has turned into.
Wow, thanks for your generosity, Jane. We really appreciate it!
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL 🙂
There are many other stories like this one...
Correct, Colin was involved in many of them. He spent years tracking down pilots who may have fought each other, connecting the dots. Some of these are mentioned in his books. Thanks for watching.
Wow, two brave men among many. But I await the day when: They shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more." Thank You Professor.
Thank you for watching
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Thanks for watching and for the support.
Awesome video as always Colin. You should next do a video on Operation Tidal Wave, the most bloodiest and daring bombing raids in the European Theatre on the Romanian oilfields of Ploesti. Of the original 177 B-24 Liberators, only a third returned with five Medal of Honours awarded during this operation.
Great idea. We will consider and always appreciate your suggestions!
Colin my Man,, awesome as always! I must say you look magnificent in the foreground of that beautiful Mustang, which happens to be my favorite warbird of all 💜💜💜💜💜💜
Much appreciated, thanks for watching.
That was a cool story. Thanks for the post. Take care guys.
You are most welcome. Thanks for watching
Some of the most amazing stories are the friendships that arise from the flames of war!
Agreed. Thanks for watching
Great story, well done!
Thank you kindly
This is another terrific episode of FORGOTTEN HISTORY with an equally terrific ending with both pilots becoming fast friends. As you know since subscribing I never miss an episode or opportunity to comment. This is due to the detail both you and Mike put forth. Alot of your stories I am knowledgeable of as much of it has been noted through out the years. But your one on one enterviews gives me a new perspective and keeps me captivated. My only regret is that I didn't have you for a professor. But then again I and thousands of others do now. Many thanks to you and Mike for all of ya'lls hard work.
We both appreciate your support.
Great episode as always! Thanks!
We appreciate it.
Such a touching heartwarming video. These two pilots meeting up years later. One a top German fighter Pilot. The other an American P-51 Mustang Pilot. Who had an engagement with one another so long ago. Amazing to watch the outcome and their meeting in person so many years after. To truly become fast friends where once one was trying to shoot the other down. Incredible how this turned out so many years after WW2. 💪🏻🙏🏻✨
Yes, it was one of the best stories. Thanks for watching
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL i do enjoy all your Forgotten History videos. This one where you were able to meet both pilots. Truly you are blessed having that opportunity. Thanks again for all your great work on these videos. 💪🏻🙏🏻✨
@@thomasgumersell9607 Thanks, I have over 400 interview subjects, and many I managed to get together.
@@colinheaton5638 that is remarkable Colin. To be able to interview 400 subjects. No wonder your videos are so noteworthy. Yet the best Intel would definetly come from those who went through the event. Keep up your superb video content Colin. 💪🏻🙏🏻✨
@@thomasgumersell9607 Thanks very much
I read about Capt. Jack Ilfrey. I read his book and he signed it for me. I called him a few times to ask questions about his experiences. While in the North African Campaign,
before being sent to England for a second tour, half his squadron mates were killed. His book was a real eye openerI might add that Jack Ilfrey was in the same
20th fighter group as Joe Peterburs. Jack was shot down staffing a train, catching his P-38 lightning engine on fire he bailed out, evaded capture lodging locals until
he was repatriated.
You my friend are blessed to meet such heroes. I’m sure you’re resume is quite impressive as well. Is there a possible story involving you we could have??
Are referring to Mike or Colin? We have many such stories of former enemies coming together. Thanks for watching.
Either or both. Would be glad to watch
@@gwenfoskey3234 Possibly.
LOVE this story! Thanks for sharing it
The description Schuck gave of his bailout process is similar to that described to me by Adolph Galland when I met him. He said the Allies assumed the Germans were using ejector seats in their fighters (a few did, but not very many). In reality the pilots were using a procedure whereby they released their harnesses, jettisoned the canopy, tucked their bodies tightly, and kicked the stick forward with their feet so the plane would rapidly drop away from them. The resulting effect gave the illusion of ejection. Galland then pondered why the enemy didn't do the same thing. Perhaps some did, but most accounts I've read of bailouts involved climbing out of the cockpit and jumping clear or rolling inverted and falling out.
That depended upon the aircraft, its flight characteristics and the canopy/cockpit configuration. Many pilots were struck by their vertical or horizontal stabilizers resutling in injury or even death, such as Peterburs' knee getting hit, Hans-Joachim Marseille and Graham George Buckland (Marseille's 65th victory ) both dying from being struck. Thanks for watching.
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL It's still true today. Before I retired, one of my tasks was reporting Class A mishaps to senior USAF staff, including when airmen did not survive ejection or recovery. But my most haunting memory is from my time in flight training where I was told the T-37 had the best ejection seat safety record with something like an 80% success rate. Yet a constant reminder that the law of probability is always at play was a photo in our classroom building of a student from a previous class who died during ejection. It didn't help that I had been the mortuary affairs duty officer who handled the preliminary funeral arrangements with his young widow and her parents. They do not remain paper statistics when you witness the aftermath.
@@Paladin1873 One pilot, Leo Thorsness said "ejecting is like hitting the wall while driving at high speed. You can only hope that the you avoid all the hard things around you."
My mother dated a man who became me friend and mentor when I was directionless back in high school (late 1980’s). This man’s name was Ron Harrison and he told me about his time in the CBs in the pacific. Unfortunately the woman he was dating wasn’t a nice person and he ended up leaving both of our lives. I guess he stayed in touch with her and she learned of his death from his son who was a professional comedian. I also know he lived in Kansas for a while after the war and one of the many jobs he held was a a school teacher.
I’ve only been subscribed to this channel for less than a year so I don’t know all of the videos you did before I subscribed, but I would like to know more about Ron’s time in the service and about what the CBs faced while in the pacific. Thanks
If you have his full name you can contact the Dept. of the Navy, that may help, or even the National personnel records Center in St. Louis. Thanks for watching
Pilots have a love ❤️ of flying that transcends war and politics. It gives me hope 🙏 of a better world.🌎
Agreed. Thanks for watching
Thanks again Colin, it’s great to know a Brother Veteran is keeping this History alive! Semper Fi
Thanks for watching! Semper Fi
My professor at Kent State University posed
this question:
The Titanic had a Sister
Ship..Olympic. I fact check. Yes..and the possibility they were
switched. I think yes!
Please air this..
Respectful..
Bonnie Ohio
We will consider. Thanks for watching
It actually had 2 sister ships. 3rd one was Britannic. In that regard there is an interesting person, Violet Jessop, a stewardess and nurse who served on all 3 ships, surviving the sinking of both Titanic and Britannic as well as the collision of Olympic with HMS Hawke. Lucky her!
AMAZING!!
Thanks for watching
Wow, what a cool story. Thanks!
Thanks for watching
I believe these two pilots respect for each other is the reason fighter pilots were called knights of the air. I met an AAF B17 navigator once. He said if the Germans would have had more ME 262s we might have lost the war in Europe. He told me the bomber gunners couldn't hit them because they were flying too fast. Great video, as usual!
Thanks for watching
Faux les anglais avaient le glouster meteor qui était égal au me 262
@@alaindaubresse2161 I translated your comment. It doesn't really make sense as a response to my comment.
DUDE WAS LIBERATED AFTER SHOOTING DOWN A JET AND RAIDED BERLIN WITH THE SOVIETS how badassssss can you beeeeee
Indeed. Thanks for watching
Always a pleasure
Thanks for watching.
Superlative presentation & moving story. Very proud to subscribe.
Much appreciated!
You do know, the 262 wasn't the first operational jet fighter? You do know the P51 wasn't designed for long-range bomber escort? You do know these claims of multiple air victories, in one sorty, are as dubious as May West's claims of chastity? No? You should read more history books.
Everyone knows this, and it could be speculated too.
BTW, the ME-262 was the first operational jet in regular service, but not the first in the air.
@@jorgejaime4325 Sadly, everyone doesn't know this. Also, the first jet aircraft in service was the Gloucester Meteor - just because it was assigned the task of shooting down V1s, and not the useless Me 262s, is a technicality.
This is my new favorite UA-cam history channel!!!...👍😁👍
Thank you kindly
I just ordered the Luftwaffe Eagle book...😀
Good read. Thanks for watching.
My grandfather was part of the 55th FTR SQ 20th Ftr Gp. Would love to learn more about his time of serving. I have hos original flight book that was given to my by my aunt
Thanks Colin for another excellent video. I read about these events in Walter Schuck's book and your Me 262 Stormbird book (both excellent books and highly recommended to others), and it was great to listen to the narrated version along with the added videos. Looking forward to the next WWII video on this channel.
Thank you kindly, Patrick!
Thanks. I just completed my 2nd revised and expanded edition of The Star of Africa. Look for it next year.
@@colinheaton5638 Looking forward to it. I really enjoyed the original edition.
What a fantastic story, thank you very much for bringing it to us. Young people in Germany and young people in the United States. Need to learn what these people did in the very difficult time in the world.
Isn't it madness? Men in airplanes fight against each other for their respective nations. Some kill thousands of people by dropping bombs, others try to bring down as many bombers as possible to protect the defenseless population. After decades, they meet by chance and become friends. It's actually hard to understand that for one, the fight for life and death is seen as a lost game of chess. For the other, it was the path to victory.
Walter Schuck is still in good shape
Walter died 2015
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL I will meet Walter in Valhalla !
Depends on what is a good shape for you...
@@pseudonym745 Not obese and clear eyes
It's ridiculous,... it's like having a Daihatsu Kei Car vs American V8
I have a photo of all of us together, me, my 3 sons, Walter Schuck and Joe Peterburs. It was great talking with them at length
Fascinating!
Great research and narration! During WW2 my father worked on British merchant marine convoys supplying war materials to England. During 2 separate trips the ships were torpedoed by German submarines. Twice he and some of his other comrades were picked up from their life raft by another ship. After escaping death twice this way, father decided to jump ship in New York. However by coercion he was inducted into the US Army April, 1943 or get sent back to Hong Kong. Father served in Al Levy's unit the 288th (Chinese regiment) Field Artillery Observation Battalion under General Patton. Could you give me any information on unit 288th? Thanks!
Try Army records Branch, Pentagon. Also Ft. Sill, OK has an archive as the home of artillery. Thanks for watching
Me262👍👍👍
Governments turn men against each other. Maybe anarchy is the better way after all.
Anarchy is not the answer, but common sense would help. Thanks for watching.
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL There's definitely a lack of it.
I understand our pilots didn't beat the me 262 in combat but waited til they were landing low on fuel
0:38 Wrong pronouncation: It is not called "Meshersmid" but "Messerschmitt". The double-s comes first, the "sh" in "-schmitt" second. The origin of the name is "Messer", the german word for "knife", and "Schmied" (= "Schmitt"), wich means "blacksmith". A "Messerschmied"
was a man who forged knives.
Thanks for watching
I got to meet both of these gentlemen in Louisville KY in 2006
Great video
Thank you, Colin. Papa Joe is proud to call you a friend!
Thank you kindly. Means a lot.
This is one of my favorite channel's I ever subscribe to 👍👍👍
Thank you kindly
Almost as fascinating as the Grey Ghost!
this is incredible. thank you for doing this, your work is amazing.
Thank you kindly
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
Great episode
Thanks for watching
Such incredible stories!!!
Respect from Germany !
Surprisingly heartwarming to see two former enemy combatants not consumed by hatred. We can all learn from Pilots Schuck and Petersburs.
Beautiful video. Thank you so much.
Thanks for watching
It’s friendships like these and remembering friendships like these that will prevent any new Wars !!!!
คนละเกรดอย่ามาเทียบ อย่างหาที่สุดมิได้
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121st, 3 March 2024
Me-262 is an illegal sky terror weapon in the skies due to the terror jet killed my American grandparents.
Sorry for your loss.
If I see another Me-262 variant flying then we might as well call in the F-22 pilots to ground it for good due to the Me-262 outspeed all the Allie’s world war 2 fighters.
The history about nazi vs zionist👹
Not following?
Great job, Colin!!!
Thanks!
Col just amazing stuff mate. Your work and the content you produce is truly second to none.
Thanks a ton!
The history about nazi vs zionist👹
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Huh?
Absolutely loved it!💗👏👏👏👏👏👍👍👍👍👍
Glad you enjoyed it!
I love your channel. You're the best historian I've personally ever seen. Your delivery is absolutely perfect
Thank you kindly
I love history. Thank you for your work. Godspeed.
Our pleasure!
Surprising that two men, an American P-51 pilot, and a German Me-262 pilot respectively, from opposing countries in WW2 would bury the hatchet and become friends 60 years after the war. It's reassuring they bore no ill-will toward each other. I'm sure they compared notes about their experiences.
Many thanks for this first-class mini-doc, Colin. 🙂🛬