I feel like I could literally hear your low range improve as you kept playing. Thats some serious skill man! I wish I could just pick up brass instruments like that.
This was known as the Eb Horn in our school band in Australia in the '70s. I played the tenor horn for six months while moving from the euphonium to the cornet.
Trent Hamilton: The melody you are playing, with variations, is a Swedish religous song in swedish called "Barnatro" ("Childlike faith" r "Childhood faith") and composed Ejnar Westling in the 1920´s. The lyrics are (translation by Google and cant be sung): "Do you still have your childlike faith Can you still pray, as you always did: "God who loves children, Look at me as a child ". Old mother then feels so satisfied and happy. To heaven you are a golden bridge! Barnatro, barnatro, To heaven you are a golden bridge! Childhood faith/childlike faith To heaven you are a golden bridge! You may have wandered around Around the whole ring of the earth, And in distant land you sought to reach happiness. You have cried many times, When you heard an old song, As you remember from the quiet corner of the home. Refrain. To heaven you are a golden bridge! refrain To heaven you are a golden bridge! Like a sailor in port Did you calm down in your mother's arms, tenderly she caressed you and sang about the land of heaven. Her voice got so hot, When you lay by her bosom, She placed your future safely in the hands of angels."
Come on, now. The menagerie of alto brass is a joy to behold. So many different sounds, shapes, and fatal flaws. Each one is its own special experience, like a puzzle to solve. I suppose it remains for the player to determine if it's worth the effort. I happen to think it is on a few occasions.
Outside of the brass band, the only instance I've found of it being used (not counting jazz where anything goes) are some French works where a full family of Saxhorns are used. Most notable is Berlioz in Les Troyans (particularly the Royal Hunt and Storm). Also used in works like Schmitt's Dionysiaques for band and D'Indy's opera Fervaal.
I'd like you to talk about mouthpieces , not only this tenor horn, but the other instruments as well. You're still the best in teaching all this stuff!!! My regards from Argentina (far far away)
"Well... is this an instrument or a piece of scrap?" ...Wow. And here I thought my difficulties were because I'm a crap player. Also, my alto horn is an F.A. Reynolds from around1936
Work on being able to look at a measure (or any length really, work on increasing that), and play it without looking. When you can do that, work on looking ahead to the next measure (any length) while you're playing the previous one you glanced at. With practice, you should find yourself able to look ahead and mentally prepare for the rhythms and fingerings coming up, even if your brain is still pretty focused on playing the previous stuff. With enough practice, you should be able to look ahead pretty fluently, and sightreading will become easier the more distance you can look ahead without hitches in what you're currently playing.
I love the tenor horn, a lovely instrument imo. A tip that you probably already know (as I used to be grilled on it frequently)--don't play the valves with your knuckles, play on the tips of your fingers. It tires you less and makes it easier to change notes quickly.
Hey Trent: I've got an idea that might help you with your Patreon. If you post say 4 different UA-cams, same piece with the 4 parts,say trumpet, trombone, euphonium, tuba -showing the music like you do in this video, then people can learn to play along. This would be most enjoyable and I certainly would support it. Thanks!
Last week, I was at our fire department's annual "it's not a banquet anymore" (banquet). One of the retired members called me over, and said that he had a bunch of instruments that had been given to him as the other remaining former members of the long defunct community band died off. He asked if I'd like them, and I said "YES!" The next morning, he pulled out the following four very old instruments: a very old and decrepit trombone with no mouthpiece, but a surprisingly smooth (albeit horribly loose) slide, an Eb Horn with a detachable curved bell, silver plated, badly tarnished and probably 100 years old, but functional, another Eb horn with the lead pipe severed, as if someone took a bite out of the middle of it. It would be in fairy good shape if not for that, Yet another Eb horn that might be useable, but its horribly beaten up... And, in a homemade and badly rodent damaged cloth bag, an absolutely pristine looking silver plated Eb horn. Its in nearly perfect shape, very nearly airtight, very little wear, hardly a dent or scratch, and the only thing i have to do besides cleaning it and swapping two valves that were in the wrong pistons, is to get the third valve tuning slide unstuck. One of my bucket list instruments, that i never thought I'd own, and it was FREE!!! 😁😁😁😁
Once again thank you Brother Trent, When and why did they stop producing mouthpieces for the tenor horns? It appears that the mouthpiece production for this class of instruments ceased production the year before the instrument was first introduced in the year 1437. Please continue your most excellent series. I have not missed one episode! You made us wait forever before you released the French horn part II I am getting old, and somehow I’ve managed to acquire not one but indeed three double bell euphoniums (what is the Greek plural of “euphoniums”). For the life of me I can find no reason for the existence of this instrument. But that is no reason why production had to be discontinued sometime in the 1960’s or so. One reason for this instrument might have been to “trick” the poor innocents by playing a piece of solo music, such as the Ave Maria, playing it VERY well of the crummy (crumby?) trombone bell soloing in the middle of a bridge on some Easter weekend, or Saturday night; only to (unexpectedly) switch over to the (much more) magnificent euphonium bell only towards the end of the solo. If really played well on the garbage trombone bell, that trick might well have been an awesome listening experience: especially if the audience was not expecting it. But then again, how often can one “pull that off”. If I were still employed I would have liked trying a new Wessex double bell euphonium. To see what progress could have been made using “Chinesium metal” over the last 75 years! Then I would have possessed four useless double bell euphoniums! By the way. Why not try to obtain a new Wessex Wagner tuba. They are ridiculously cheap. That is probably the only instrument that I have not possessed or even played. Why do you and I have the misfortune of living on opposite ends of the globe. You in New Zealand and me on the East Coast of what used to be called America. If we were neighbors we would/could have easily overwhelmed the world with duos for ophicleide and three pedal cimbolom or with an 1880 Hungarian/Slovak fujara! I was trained to be a jazz accordionist beginning in the late 1950’s (I am not making this up). I studied the accordion professionally for almost eleven years (how about THAT for a waste of time and effort). But seriously the accordion can be an amazing instrument. I am talking old school jazz and classical. I studied under Charlie Nunzio. (see old recordings of Art Van Damme) from the 1950’s-70’s. All of this was done acoustically. The Moog synthesizer and rock n roll killed good instrumental acoustic music. I attended a third rate public middle and high school in Wallington, New Jersey. I started out as third clarinet in the seventh grade (I was never very good, but it took me two years to realize that there was a small piece broken off the Bakelite mouthpiece just at the critical junction of the mouth piece under the upper right portion of the reed bed.). Then the baritone horn player Henry Puzio graduated and in the ninth grade I got switched over the the baritone horn And then I found myself in brass heaven. Despite otherwise having a third rate education, only later did I find out the our middle aged Sicilian short pudgy band director had a masters’ degree in performance from the Julliard Conservatory of music. His primary instrument was the double bell euphonium! (I am not making this up!). How I ever wound up being a medical doctor is beyond me. Dear Brother Trent Hamilton, never stop producing your wonderful videos! See the TED talk lecture on the Tuba by Oystein Baadsvik and listen to his tuba solos with piano. Then you will get my point about not looking down at accordionists playing (bad) polkas, and tuba players playing only impacted-pa in German beerhalls. Go to UA-cam and find Nick Ariondo Malagueña on Accordion. Or Art Van Damme Quintet on Accordion. Also check our UA-cam for Euphonium with David Werden, or Euphonium with Matonizz. Until later,you have my many thank you’s and best wishes! +brothermark+
That mouthpiece was a little bit small for an alto horn there. I generally think that the mouthpiece is too small considering the ideal size of the alto trombone mouthpiece. But I use a Denis Wick 1A because I moved from trombone and euphonium so that's why I might think your play was similar to a trumpet
Hallo Sir I have ordered an EAH 351 eastman alto tenor horn! I am waiting from France to come Greece! There is not written the size of it!!! What size has this horn? 💝
how did u get so good at sight reading. i personally such at this. im a trombonist in America and I can assure you that when it comes to sight reading i find new dynamics in the extreme piano side. please help.
When I was working on my sight reading all I did to practice was Google "clarinet sheet music" or something similar (yes I am a clarinetist) and play something random there. Try that and see if that doesn't help you some.
Bryce, thanks very much for that confirmation re. B flat cornet. Thanks also for that link. Can I print the cornet part from it, or do I have to contact " a library"? I can't figure it out. Thanks, Peter
Hi Peter, I didn't see this until now only because you didn't comment on the thread I was a part of, but no worries. You should be able to buy the music off that website if you want the version Trent was playing, however, I recently came across a version for Concert Band which I found interesting and that's free (found at the link below). www.jackquinby.com/ed_docs/OldHomeDownOnTheFarmScore.pdf Cheers
How to replace saxophone section in Jazz band, Have alto horns read the alto sax music because it's in the same key. Then baritones or euphoniums on the tenor parts, then an Eb Bass for the Bari sax.
Hello Trent - great video! I myself have only just joined the brass-playing army, I started playing the Trumpet during lockdown, have been doing so for about a year now. I really appreciate your channel as a nice glance-ahead into the entire world of brass-instrument options, which I'm sure I'll eventually embrace - - I want to ask you, clearly this Tenor Horn has three valves similar to a trumpet. If you can play the trumpet, are you able to use that same knowledge of playing notes from the same keys etc on all 3 valve brass instruments? Is it the same functionality, or would you have to re-learn the way the values / notes related to each other for each instrument?
That was a very pleasing video, but collecting brass instruments is deadly for the wallet. I was doing the same with stringed instruments and have dozens all crammed into a tiny flat. I want to try horns again, I did as a kid but developed some horrible embouchure issues due to a bite problem. When I retire I'll try a cornet, unless I see something more interesting on a video like this.
The end of the vid reminds me of a Japanese movie dubbed in English when the words said don’t line with the mouth saying them or in fact read the audio not matching the video
Trent, great stuff, thank you. I'd like to obtain a copy of the piece you were playing from. Am I right in thinking that it was the B Flat cornet part? I've been playing Horn for just over two years now and your playing of this piece has really inspired me to keep up my practice regime and try to just even approach your level of playing. Keep up the good work please. Peter UK
Hi peter, he didn't transpose the part he just played the Bb Cornet part. That being said I've linked the sheet music below; www.worldcat.org/title/old-home-down-on-the-farm-air-varie-for-b-cornet-baritone-or-trombone/oclc/15353174 All the best! Bryce
I am playing this music exactly how any brass band tenor horn player would play it. I'm not sure what method of reading music you employ if my way appears wrong.
This is a property of all instruments in E♭. Third space C in treble, played on a horn in E♭, sounds a concert E♭ which would be the third space on the bass clef. This is why baritone saxophones can (with adjustment to the key signature and accidentals) play from trombone parts.
....need to know the context -- trying to "substitute" (sound like) a Fh?, or just get the part covered somehow? ....since "French horn" is customarily ("modern" times) the one in F, the parts would be for an F instrument -- the "Alto Horn" demonstrated in (usually) in Eb, so transposing would be required, by sight, or writing-it-out (sometimes "Alto Horns" in F can be found); "Mellophones" can also be found in F, as well as Eb ---> but an old, circular Mellophone, held very much more like a Fh, not forward-facing, might be closest sub.; (a bit more trouble, one might use an [Eb] Alto Trombone); .... if sub'ing is for "just get the right pitches played", there are a number of non-brass options, too........
Oh interesting. Fingerings match Baritone TC. I guess they probably did that by design. If us Euph players play "mini tubas" then maybe Alto/Tenor Horns should be called Miniest Tubas
if if you look at pretty much any brass instrument all the vales do the same thing. 1st lowers a whole tone, 2nd lowers a semitone, and 3rd lowers a minor third. If you have a fourth it does the same as 1,3. so really piccolo trumpets and Bb tubas use the same fingering, so long they are read in the same clef.
@@bee-qq2bk Oh, I'm aware of the mechanics. Been playing brass instruments since 1995 or so. I just haven't encountered an alto horn player since about that time, and if I recall we didn't have any Eb alto music so he was transposing french horn music on the fly or sometimes playing the sax parts. The British Brass Bands have left an odd thing on the brass world. Brass only transposes in treble clef. For those of us in the Euphonium world, a bass clef C is fingered 1-3 (or 4) and a tenor clef C is fingered 1-3 (or 4) and a treble clef C is fingered open. A BBb, CC, Eb or F tuba all read the same music, just use different fingerings to sound the identical notes in bass clef, but read transposing music in treble clef. Same continues for trombones, their slide positions for a C are the same in bass, tenor or alto clef but then changes to a transposed C (written D) in treble clef. It actually makes it easy to read tenor clef for euphs if you know the transposing treble, you just read tenor like treble and fiddle with the number of flats. I guess it stands to reason that alto horns continue the trend and transpose in treble, especially considering you don't find them much outside of the British Brass Bands. I was actually expecting to see it in alto clef, like the alto trombone often is. Now that I think of it...the only instruments where that is NOT true is the trumpets that are always in treble clef. Bb and C trumpets will read the same music with different fingerings, same with Bb or D piccolos (I think, not terribly familiar with piccolo trumpets). You just opt between the Bb and C to make the fingerings nicer in orchestral pieces.
Von Steiner In Brass Bands Eb Tenor horn as shown will use trumpet fingerings as all valved instruments use the same. They all read treble clef but the key/key signature is modified to account from the interval from concert pitch. The larger brass instruments that play the bass line are generally written in Bass Clef as C instruments and the notes will have different valve combinations assigned. You learn which fingers to press when learning to play- each note has it's own combinations of either open or valves which is co-ordinated with learning lip positioning/tensing called embrochure, use of the tongue and air management.
brasschick42 I play French horn and mellophone, so I know the trumpet fingerings and they are not the same as the French horn's. Yet you say all valve instruments use the same fingerings. Am I missing something?
That's some pretty impressive sight-reading.
I feel like I could literally hear your low range improve as you kept playing. Thats some serious skill man! I wish I could just pick up brass instruments like that.
I know its 8 years later, but this is awesome Trent.
It does have a good, bright tone. And lets not forget your refreshing candor and humility too.
Thanks Trent! Your videos bring such listening joy to my life. Your commentaries are educational, funny and your playing is excellent!!!! 4 stars ****
I am so happy that you have finally done a video on the tenor horn!
This was known as the Eb Horn in our school band in Australia in the '70s. I played the tenor horn for six months while moving from the euphonium to the cornet.
Trent Hamilton: The melody you are playing, with variations, is a Swedish religous song in swedish called "Barnatro" ("Childlike faith" r "Childhood faith") and composed Ejnar Westling in the 1920´s. The lyrics are (translation by Google and cant be sung): "Do you still have your childlike faith
Can you still pray, as you always did:
"God who loves children,
Look at me as a child ".
Old mother then feels so satisfied and happy.
To heaven you are a golden bridge!
Barnatro, barnatro,
To heaven you are a golden bridge!
Childhood faith/childlike faith
To heaven you are a golden bridge!
You may have wandered around
Around the whole ring of the earth,
And in distant land you sought to reach happiness.
You have cried many times,
When you heard an old song,
As you remember from the quiet corner of the home.
Refrain.
To heaven you are a golden bridge!
refrain
To heaven you are a golden bridge!
Like a sailor in port
Did you calm down in your mother's arms,
tenderly she caressed you and sang about the land of heaven.
Her voice got so hot,
When you lay by her bosom,
She placed your future safely in the hands of angels."
I love how he's like "you could have THIS! or THIS! or THIS!
It does have a special name: it's an Eb alto SAXhorn
I love the comedic aspect you threw in the first half of the video, thanks! :D
I really like the more frequent upload schedule you have been using. Thank you very much!
I refer to mine as an "altonium." Someday I'll find a mouthpiece that fits it! :)
a real altonium is in f and its basically a french horn shaped like an american euphonium
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The altonium uses a French horn mouthpiece.
Come on, now. The menagerie of alto brass is a joy to behold. So many different sounds, shapes, and fatal flaws. Each one is its own special experience, like a puzzle to solve. I suppose it remains for the player to determine if it's worth the effort. I happen to think it is on a few occasions.
Outside of the brass band, the only instance I've found of it being used (not counting jazz where anything goes) are some French works where a full family of Saxhorns are used. Most notable is Berlioz in Les Troyans (particularly the Royal Hunt and Storm). Also used in works like Schmitt's Dionysiaques for band and D'Indy's opera Fervaal.
I'd like you to talk about mouthpieces , not only this tenor horn, but the other instruments as well. You're still the best in teaching all this stuff!!! My regards from Argentina (far far away)
I think I'd to have one of those. I played the Baritone for many years.
"Well... is this an instrument or a piece of scrap?" ...Wow. And here I thought my difficulties were because I'm a crap player. Also, my alto horn is an F.A. Reynolds from around1936
Im a tenor horn player myself and i quite enjoy playing it. If played with awareness of tone and pitch, it can give an amazingly mellow sound
YeetSkeeta does it use the same fingerings as a baritone/euph?
@@Rockinbear03 old comment but if anyone is looking in the future: it uses the same fingerings, but only if you read Bb treble.
That was a some pretty great sight reading!
Hey, I'm from Greece and in my band we call the Alto horn with it's Italian name, "Genis"
I like this horn. Pleasant sound.
I like the way he raises his eyebrows appropriately.
I forgot it was winter in New Zealand! It was 90 degrees Fahrenheit in Wisconsin today.
and 110 in deep south texas lol
Same in Florida.
It was like... 60 in Minnesota... yay summer.
You guys should be glad ur not here in texas, i mean today is fine since it rained but it gets super hot all the time.....
You a good sight reader, I have loads of trouble sight reading and tips in how I could improve?
I would get a hymnal and play through a hymn every day.
George Woolley Sight-read.
George Woolley Ok
Work on being able to look at a measure (or any length really, work on increasing that), and play it without looking. When you can do that, work on looking ahead to the next measure (any length) while you're playing the previous one you glanced at. With practice, you should find yourself able to look ahead and mentally prepare for the rhythms and fingerings coming up, even if your brain is still pretty focused on playing the previous stuff. With enough practice, you should be able to look ahead pretty fluently, and sightreading will become easier the more distance you can look ahead without hitches in what you're currently playing.
Your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, thanks Jesus 😂
Hi Trent,
The alto horn in France is nicknamed "pichotte" :)
Trent- you inspired to practice. I had no purpose in life and then I learned music
I love the tenor horn, a lovely instrument imo. A tip that you probably already know (as I used to be grilled on it frequently)--don't play the valves with your knuckles, play on the tips of your fingers. It tires you less and makes it easier to change notes quickly.
I play alto ! It’s beautiful 😍
As always, thanks for the tutorial!!
Hey Trent: I've got an idea that might help you with your Patreon. If you post say 4 different UA-cams, same piece with the 4 parts,say trumpet, trombone, euphonium, tuba -showing the music like you do in this video, then people can learn to play along. This would be most enjoyable and I certainly would support it. Thanks!
Last week, I was at our fire department's annual "it's not a banquet anymore" (banquet). One of the retired members called me over, and said that he had a bunch of instruments that had been given to him as the other remaining former members of the long defunct community band died off. He asked if I'd like them, and I said "YES!"
The next morning, he pulled out the following four very old instruments:
a very old and decrepit trombone with no mouthpiece, but a surprisingly smooth (albeit horribly loose) slide,
an Eb Horn with a detachable curved bell, silver plated, badly tarnished and probably 100 years old, but functional,
another Eb horn with the lead pipe severed, as if someone took a bite out of the middle of it. It would be in fairy good shape if not for that,
Yet another Eb horn that might be useable, but its horribly beaten up...
And, in a homemade and badly rodent damaged cloth bag, an absolutely pristine looking silver plated Eb horn. Its in nearly perfect shape, very nearly airtight, very little wear, hardly a dent or scratch, and the only thing i have to do besides cleaning it and swapping two valves that were in the wrong pistons, is to get the third valve tuning slide unstuck.
One of my bucket list instruments, that i never thought I'd own, and it was FREE!!! 😁😁😁😁
There are also in E flat: the alto flügelhorn, the alto trombone, and the alto trumpet.
A very good effort, well done.
so so good, oh I wish I could do that!!! love that!!
The alto horn I used is shaped like a mini baritone,slightly smaller than shown here.Cool either way.
I love your videos soo much! I cannot wait to donate
Spectacular!!
0:08 thought he said communist
Good
Beautiful man!!
Great channel!! Been looking for videos of an 'alto cornet' which I'm told is pitched in F
This is an alto cornet. Cornet means 'little horn.'
Once again thank you Brother Trent, When and why did they stop producing mouthpieces for the tenor horns?
It appears that the mouthpiece production for this class of instruments ceased production the year before the instrument was first introduced in the year 1437. Please continue your most excellent series. I have not missed one episode! You made us wait forever before you released the French horn part II
I am getting old, and somehow I’ve managed to acquire not one but indeed three double bell euphoniums (what is the Greek plural of “euphoniums”). For the life of me I can find no reason for the existence of this instrument. But that is no reason why production had to be discontinued sometime in the 1960’s or so.
One reason for this instrument might have been to “trick” the poor innocents by playing a piece of solo music, such as the Ave Maria, playing it VERY well of the crummy (crumby?) trombone bell soloing in the middle of a bridge on some Easter weekend, or Saturday night; only to (unexpectedly) switch over to the (much more) magnificent euphonium bell only towards the end of the solo. If really played well on the garbage trombone bell, that trick might well have been an awesome listening experience: especially if the audience was not expecting it. But then again, how often can one “pull that off”. If I were still employed I would have liked trying a new Wessex double bell euphonium. To see what progress could have been made using “Chinesium metal” over the last 75 years! Then I would have possessed four useless double bell euphoniums!
By the way. Why not try to obtain a new Wessex Wagner tuba. They are ridiculously cheap. That is probably the only instrument that I have not possessed or even played.
Why do you and I have the misfortune of living on opposite ends of the globe. You in New Zealand and me on the East Coast of what used to be called America. If we were neighbors we would/could have easily overwhelmed the world with duos for ophicleide and three pedal cimbolom or with an 1880 Hungarian/Slovak fujara!
I was trained to be a jazz accordionist beginning in the late 1950’s (I am not making this up). I studied the accordion professionally for almost eleven years (how about THAT for a waste of time and effort). But seriously the accordion can be an amazing instrument. I am talking old school jazz and classical. I studied under Charlie Nunzio. (see old recordings of Art Van Damme) from the 1950’s-70’s. All of this was done acoustically. The Moog synthesizer and rock n roll killed good instrumental acoustic music.
I attended a third rate public middle and high school in Wallington, New Jersey. I started out as third clarinet in the seventh grade (I was never very good, but it took me two years to realize that there was a small piece broken off the Bakelite mouthpiece just at the critical junction of the mouth piece under the upper right portion of the reed bed.). Then the baritone horn player Henry Puzio graduated and in the ninth grade I got switched over the the baritone horn And then I found myself in brass heaven. Despite otherwise having a third rate education, only later did I find out the our middle aged Sicilian short pudgy band director had a masters’ degree in performance from the Julliard Conservatory of music. His primary instrument was the double bell euphonium! (I am not making this up!).
How I ever wound up being a medical doctor is beyond me.
Dear Brother Trent Hamilton, never stop producing your wonderful videos!
See the TED talk lecture on the Tuba by Oystein Baadsvik and listen to his tuba solos with piano. Then you will get my point about not looking down at accordionists playing (bad) polkas, and tuba players playing only impacted-pa in German beerhalls. Go to UA-cam and find Nick Ariondo Malagueña on Accordion. Or Art Van Damme Quintet on Accordion. Also check our UA-cam for Euphonium with David Werden, or Euphonium with Matonizz.
Until later,you have my many thank you’s and best wishes!
+brothermark+
can you share a link to the music?
What is the name of the Tenor Horn Mahler uses in his 7th symphony?
That's just an Eb Tenor horn. What do you mean what is it's name?
How does this instrument compare to Trombone besides the valve/slide differece? Also does it sound more like trombone or french horn?
That mouthpiece was a little bit small for an alto horn there. I generally think that the mouthpiece is too small considering the ideal size of the alto trombone mouthpiece. But I use a Denis Wick 1A because I moved from trombone and euphonium so that's why I might think your play was similar to a trumpet
U can try to play a more round sound n it'll sound REALLY good (even though now ur sound is alr damn good!)
This piece would make a good etude.
Hallo Sir I have ordered an EAH 351 eastman alto tenor horn! I am waiting from France to come Greece! There is not written the size of it!!! What size has this horn? 💝
how did u get so good at sight reading. i personally such at this. im a trombonist in America and I can assure you that when it comes to sight reading i find new dynamics in the extreme piano side. please help.
*i personally suck at this
When I was working on my sight reading all I did to practice was Google "clarinet sheet music" or something similar (yes I am a clarinetist) and play something random there. Try that and see if that doesn't help you some.
Thanks trent is there a video on adapting a trombone mouth piece to a melophone .how will it sound .
OK, kind of nice. I enjoyed it.
Nice video Trent Hamilton also keep up the good work happy 6:38
How can I learn an isntrument like this if my sight sucks? (not sight reading)
Playing as written for Bb or transposing on the fly?
It's like an alto trombone but the more baritone-ee version
Bryce, thanks very much for that confirmation re. B flat cornet.
Thanks also for that link.
Can I print the cornet part from it, or do I have to contact " a library"?
I can't figure it out.
Thanks, Peter
Hi Peter,
I didn't see this until now only because you didn't comment on the thread I was a part of, but no worries.
You should be able to buy the music off that website if you want the version Trent was playing, however, I recently came across a version for Concert Band which I found interesting and that's free (found at the link below).
www.jackquinby.com/ed_docs/OldHomeDownOnTheFarmScore.pdf
Cheers
201 ees, sounds speecial. 😃
Where did you find this sheet music please I'd love to learn to play it on my tenor horn by the way that was some awesome sight reading
Loved the video! When will the plastic trumpet giveaway be held?
Very shortly after I receive it. It still hasn't arrived yet.
Wait theirs a giveaway?
+Kuiper TM he will when it arrives
... in Britain Tenor horns are the only horns used in concert bands. Also what on Earth is a Solo Horn, the solo Horn is just a regular tenor horn
I actually have an alto trumpet in F now. No, you may not have it, I have no desire to be rid of it. :D
How to replace saxophone section in Jazz band, Have alto horns read the alto sax music because it's in the same key. Then baritones or euphoniums on the tenor parts, then an Eb Bass for the Bari sax.
I actually have an Eb bass. :)
OMG !!!!! thk you, I did it 10-14....thk you
Do you know what whit Friday is? And would you consider coming to Yorkshire/Lancashire to see?
Yes, I'd love to witness that sometime.
What mouthpiece does the Eb Alto Saxhorn use?
it has its own size of mouthpiece
@Jason. Thank you! What are the differences between the 1, 2, and 3 denis wicks?
@Jason. I'm either going to go 1 or 2 but since 2 likely has better high stability I may go with that
cute playing son
In Mexico that instrument is used a lot
Anthony do they call it charcheta in mexico
What about alto trombone? It's fundamental note is e flat and is pitched in eflat.
Hello Trent - great video! I myself have only just joined the brass-playing army, I started playing the Trumpet during lockdown, have been doing so for about a year now. I really appreciate your channel as a nice glance-ahead into the entire world of brass-instrument options, which I'm sure I'll eventually embrace -
- I want to ask you, clearly this Tenor Horn has three valves similar to a trumpet. If you can play the trumpet, are you able to use that same knowledge of playing notes from the same keys etc on all 3 valve brass instruments? Is it the same functionality, or would you have to re-learn the way the values / notes related to each other for each instrument?
Most brass instruments that read transposing treble clef reuse the same fingering. It gets a bit murkier with bass clef instruments.
That was a very pleasing video, but collecting brass instruments is deadly for the wallet. I was doing the same with stringed instruments and have dozens all crammed into a tiny flat. I want to try horns again, I did as a kid but developed some horrible embouchure issues due to a bite problem. When I retire I'll try a cornet, unless I see something more interesting on a video like this.
What size mouth piece is needed for the tenor Horn
I would love to have an Alto Horn but they are so expensive where I live.
Check on Ebay. That's where I got mine.
And suddenly I'm transported to Yorkshire (not far from where I actually live)
The end of the vid reminds me of a Japanese movie dubbed in English when the words said don’t line with the mouth saying them or in fact read the audio not matching the video
I did forget that it was pitched in Eb
Trent, great stuff, thank you.
I'd like to obtain a copy of the piece you were playing from.
Am I right in thinking that it was the B Flat cornet part?
I've been playing Horn for just over two years now and your playing of this piece has really inspired me to keep up my practice regime and try to just even approach your level of playing.
Keep up the good work please. Peter UK
Hi peter, he didn't transpose the part he just played the Bb Cornet part. That being said I've linked the sheet music below;
www.worldcat.org/title/old-home-down-on-the-farm-air-varie-for-b-cornet-baritone-or-trombone/oclc/15353174
All the best!
Bryce
Has anyone noticed he's reading wrong? It's in Treble, he's reading it in base Clef this is supposed to read in Bb Euphonium (Which is in treble)
I am playing this music exactly how any brass band tenor horn player would play it. I'm not sure what method of reading music you employ if my way appears wrong.
This is a property of all instruments in E♭. Third space C in treble, played on a horn in E♭, sounds a concert E♭ which would be the third space on the bass clef. This is why baritone saxophones can (with adjustment to the key signature and accidentals) play from trombone parts.
Same fingerings as euphonium or baritone in treble clef?
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does anybody know what fingering they use? I just got one from my band, and I cant find the fingering chart for it
Same as cornet or trumpet
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hello what is the model of the mouthpiece ?
What is the best instrument to use as a replacement for a French horn?
....need to know the context -- trying to "substitute" (sound like) a Fh?, or just get the part covered somehow? ....since "French horn" is customarily ("modern" times) the one in F, the parts would be for an F instrument -- the "Alto Horn" demonstrated in (usually) in Eb, so transposing would be required, by sight, or writing-it-out (sometimes "Alto Horns" in F can be found); "Mellophones" can also be found in F, as well as Eb ---> but an old, circular Mellophone, held very much more like a Fh, not forward-facing, might be closest sub.; (a bit more trouble, one might use an [Eb] Alto Trombone); .... if sub'ing is for "just get the right pitches played", there are a number of non-brass options, too........
Oh interesting. Fingerings match Baritone TC. I guess they probably did that by design.
If us Euph players play "mini tubas" then maybe Alto/Tenor Horns should be called Miniest Tubas
if if you look at pretty much any brass instrument all the vales do the same thing. 1st lowers a whole tone, 2nd lowers a semitone, and 3rd lowers a minor third. If you have a fourth it does the same as 1,3. so really piccolo trumpets and Bb tubas use the same fingering, so long they are read in the same clef.
@@bee-qq2bk Oh, I'm aware of the mechanics. Been playing brass instruments since 1995 or so. I just haven't encountered an alto horn player since about that time, and if I recall we didn't have any Eb alto music so he was transposing french horn music on the fly or sometimes playing the sax parts.
The British Brass Bands have left an odd thing on the brass world. Brass only transposes in treble clef. For those of us in the Euphonium world, a bass clef C is fingered 1-3 (or 4) and a tenor clef C is fingered 1-3 (or 4) and a treble clef C is fingered open. A BBb, CC, Eb or F tuba all read the same music, just use different fingerings to sound the identical notes in bass clef, but read transposing music in treble clef. Same continues for trombones, their slide positions for a C are the same in bass, tenor or alto clef but then changes to a transposed C (written D) in treble clef. It actually makes it easy to read tenor clef for euphs if you know the transposing treble, you just read tenor like treble and fiddle with the number of flats.
I guess it stands to reason that alto horns continue the trend and transpose in treble, especially considering you don't find them much outside of the British Brass Bands. I was actually expecting to see it in alto clef, like the alto trombone often is.
Now that I think of it...the only instruments where that is NOT true is the trumpets that are always in treble clef. Bb and C trumpets will read the same music with different fingerings, same with Bb or D piccolos (I think, not terribly familiar with piccolo trumpets). You just opt between the Bb and C to make the fingerings nicer in orchestral pieces.
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Wonderful. But I'm happy there is not enough room in my head for that as an ear worm.
I’m just curios, but are all those instruments yours? And if so, where and how do you get them?
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The var. 2 had many triplets in it
You also have an Eb alto trombone
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Out of curiosity, Is that harder to play than a trumpet?
Depends. Not necessarily. They have different difficulties I think.
That's the same saxhorn alto?
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Hahha, the S on the yamaha YAH201S stands for SILVER
you should sight read new instruments while sight reading so that you have to learn the tuning and whatnot as you go
how do you know what fingerings to use?
seems to be trumpet fingerings but not quite sure
Von Steiner as the other commenter said, it's the same as all other brass valves instruments
Von Steiner In Brass Bands Eb Tenor horn as shown will use trumpet fingerings as all valved instruments use the same. They all read treble clef but the key/key signature is modified to account from the interval from concert pitch.
The larger brass instruments that play the bass line are generally written in Bass Clef as C instruments and the notes will have different valve combinations assigned.
You learn which fingers to press when learning to play- each note has it's own combinations of either open or valves which is co-ordinated with learning lip positioning/tensing called embrochure, use of the tongue and air management.
brasschick42 I play French horn and mellophone, so I know the trumpet fingerings and they are not the same as the French horn's. Yet you say all valve instruments use the same fingerings. Am I missing something?
I also play french horn and mello, and can confirm that an F on horn uses the same fingerings as an F on a trumpet.
Do metrix in e flat tenor horn please