You and your wife need to have a conversation with Jennifer Roach. She was also abused as a youth from a pastor. Her story may be powerful to explore if you can get her to agree to do a show with you. She is on “Me, My Shelf, and I” youtube channel.
Joy & Jeff, what a power couple! I love when she said... I stopped asking what's wrong with me & started asking what happened to me & finding healing in Jesus. ❤ Love peaceful interfaith conversationsike this.
The scriptures which came to mind as I listened to this are Matthew 11:28-30, where Christ says take my yoke upon you, for my yoke is easy. I love the perspective that all our brokenness is meant to be given to him, and he will alleviate all our burdens (although not instantly remove them). The other one is in Luke 22:31, where Christ tells Peter that Satan has desired to have him, “to sift you as wheat.” That verse has come to mind many times recently when I felt the influence of the Adversary, which reminded me of his active role in this world and the importance of recognizing and rejecting his attempts to control my destiny.
What a beautiful, needed conversation! ❤ I especially loved when Joy talked about the power of lament in our religious communities. I'm LDS, and I spent years pushing down my pain and calling it faith. But the Lord's been taking me on a journey to recognize that and process it with His help instead of denying it. Thank you so much for your vulnerability in sharing! Also, I just have to say that Dr. Dan Allender has been HUGE in helping me understand the beauty of lament. He's such a gift in this space. (I tried to share an article he wrote on this but it wouldn't let me post the link. 😬)
Sometimes i think we need to forgive ourselves for feeling!! In other words your feelings are first of all valid! No matter what they are. Then once you validate your feelings you can analyze and heal from them or change from them. I think we are ashamed to be what we are and we shove our “guilt” or “bad feelings” under the carpet because “we can’t be like that because we’re supposed to be perfect!” We may feel something we don’t like but if you don’t acknowledge it you can’t heal from it. You have to forgive yourself for feeling!!!
That's really powerful. Sin is just a result of unmet needs. That's so true in my life. Sins I've committed, sins I've been tempted to commit, and sins that others have committed. I can see everything so clearly now. Thank you, Joy. I can't remember the host's name, but thank you, as well. And thank you, God, for being patient and teaching this to me.
I feel the thoughts and truths shared in this conversation deep in my soul. Thank you both for putting in the work to be able articulate so beautifully how we can find Christ while yet in our difficulties. Just beautiful!
I wish I could give this more than one 👍. I started this a few days ago, but came back to finish it today. It was just what I needed. What a beautiful spirit of love and compassion were present in this conversation. Thank you to both of you!
The "devil" destroying our identity as beloved, instead of a violent destruction. This moves the motivation to do good from fear/terror, to compassion for ourselves as we have compassion for others. Much more healthy.
I think the big word that is not being said here is GUILT. Guilt and shame are not the same thing. We need to stop thinking that guilt is wrong. Guilt is good and I believe it comes from God when we do not follow his commandments. Guilt allows us to know we did something wrong and then it would then prompt us to change and turn back to doing God's will. Shame is bad and it is deconstructive. It makes us feel like we are not good enough to change or that we will never be able to be like God. Those thoughts and understanding of shame are not from God. Decerning what is guilt and shame is challenging but once you are able to do so you can grow spiritually and mentally. Christ's atonement allows us to overcome our guilt if we repent.
I've worked amid the residential treatment center atmosphere with exleriential equine therapy backdrops for more than 7 yrs now. Very insightful and helpful.
Joy is grateful to be given a voice on this episode. Thank you, @leadingsaints !
Super enjoyed this you guys! Well done!
You and your wife need to have a conversation with Jennifer Roach. She was also abused as a youth from a pastor. Her story may be powerful to explore if you can get her to agree to do a show with you. She is on “Me, My Shelf, and I” youtube channel.
Wow! This is so powerful. Thank you Joy McCullough for your wisdom!
She is precious and should truly feel beloved. A beautiful person. I hope that she comes on again. Wise.
What beautiful insights! I so enjoyed this conversation, it’s very applicable to my life right now.
Joy & Jeff, what a power couple! I love when she said... I stopped asking what's wrong with me & started asking what happened to me & finding healing in Jesus. ❤ Love peaceful interfaith conversationsike this.
What a gracious and lovely woman. Thanks for sharing your wisdom Joy!
Every last bit of my mess to Jesus!! That’s the most beautiful thing I have ever heard. 😭😭🥲🥲
The scriptures which came to mind as I listened to this are Matthew 11:28-30, where Christ says take my yoke upon you, for my yoke is easy. I love the perspective that all our brokenness is meant to be given to him, and he will alleviate all our burdens (although not instantly remove them). The other one is in Luke 22:31, where Christ tells Peter that Satan has desired to have him, “to sift you as wheat.” That verse has come to mind many times recently when I felt the influence of the Adversary, which reminded me of his active role in this world and the importance of recognizing and rejecting his attempts to control my destiny.
What an incredible interview! This is a must watch!
I just love listening to Joy. What a kind heart she has. I hope her practice takes off here!
Jesus gives us weakness so we will humble ourselves to ask Jesus for his grace. He then commands Satan to leave us and then we become strong.
They named you right…Joy! We love all your postings.
What a beautiful, needed conversation! ❤ I especially loved when Joy talked about the power of lament in our religious communities. I'm LDS, and I spent years pushing down my pain and calling it faith. But the Lord's been taking me on a journey to recognize that and process it with His help instead of denying it. Thank you so much for your vulnerability in sharing! Also, I just have to say that Dr. Dan Allender has been HUGE in helping me understand the beauty of lament. He's such a gift in this space. (I tried to share an article he wrote on this but it wouldn't let me post the link. 😬)
Her insight is so valuable.
Sometimes i think we need to forgive ourselves for feeling!! In other words your feelings are first of all valid! No matter what they are. Then once you validate your feelings you can analyze and heal from them or change from them. I think we are ashamed to be what we are and we shove our “guilt” or “bad feelings” under the carpet because “we can’t be like that because we’re supposed to be perfect!” We may feel something we don’t like but if you don’t acknowledge it you can’t heal from it. You have to forgive yourself for feeling!!!
That's really powerful. Sin is just a result of unmet needs. That's so true in my life. Sins I've committed, sins I've been tempted to commit, and sins that others have committed.
I can see everything so clearly now. Thank you, Joy. I can't remember the host's name, but thank you, as well. And thank you, God, for being patient and teaching this to me.
I feel the thoughts and truths shared in this conversation deep in my soul. Thank you both for putting in the work to be able articulate so beautifully how we can find Christ while yet in our difficulties. Just beautiful!
We need to get her and Jennifer Roach from Fair in a conversation
Yes!! Jennifer is amazing in this space!
Superb ❤
I wish I could give this more than one 👍. I started this a few days ago, but came back to finish it today. It was just what I needed. What a beautiful spirit of love and compassion were present in this conversation. Thank you to both of you!
She's so beautiful! ❤
The "devil" destroying our identity as beloved, instead of a violent destruction. This moves the motivation to do good from fear/terror, to compassion for ourselves as we have compassion for others. Much more healthy.
I think the big word that is not being said here is GUILT. Guilt and shame are not the same thing. We need to stop thinking that guilt is wrong. Guilt is good and I believe it comes from God when we do not follow his commandments. Guilt allows us to know we did something wrong and then it would then prompt us to change and turn back to doing God's will. Shame is bad and it is deconstructive. It makes us feel like we are not good enough to change or that we will never be able to be like God. Those thoughts and understanding of shame are not from God. Decerning what is guilt and shame is challenging but once you are able to do so you can grow spiritually and mentally. Christ's atonement allows us to overcome our guilt if we repent.
I've worked amid the residential treatment center atmosphere with exleriential equine therapy backdrops for more than 7 yrs now.
Very insightful and helpful.
*Experiential