Diving Deeper Into The Marner Situation w/ Jesse Blake | The Chris Johnston Show
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- Опубліковано 22 чер 2024
- On This episode of The Chris Johnston show Jesse Blake and Chris Johnston go over a variety of topics including:
0:00 Going on the road
5:00 Mitch Marner
16:00 Lane Lambert/Leafs coaching staff
23:30 Amazon docu-series
35:40 Stanley Cup Final storylines
46:00 Looking back at the Tkachuk trade
49:00 Martin Necas
52:00 Anaheim Ducks trade rumours
55:30 Stick Taps
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Love Jessie in this role,any chance it could be permanent.
The leafs going to 4 straight finals in a row and losing would be the ultimate ending to the Steve Dangle saga 2054
Gonna be a fun final series.
Treliving did the best he could, with what he had to work with when he traded Tkachuk to Florida. A player who made it clear that he wasn't going to resign. Being able to get an MVP candidate coming off a 115 point season, a top 4 defencman and a 1st round pick....looking at that trade at the time it was made, very few people would have said Calgary got fleeced.. looking back at it now and how all players involved have performed and the success of each of their respective teams, yes it seems like Florida did win that trade..but when your trading a young star player like that, your very rarely gonna win that trade....that's something the Leafs need to be careful of, I hope Brad Treliving has learned from his past mistakes..if he screws up on a Marner trade, it could set this team back years.. therefore I think they're going to be pretty cautious here..like they have said, you don't make a trade just for the sake of making a trade and that statement is very true, that's something the fans need to realize, yes they should explore a Marner trade, but it's stupid to make a move out of desperation and emotion. If it doesn't make sense or make the team better, don't do it.
“We have a good goalie here…” said Treliving of Samsonov. Sounds very similar.
He is a good goalie. Leafs averaged 1.74 goals in 7 games. You can’t even score 2 goals a game. Keep blaming the goalie , fkn clowns
exactly.
Reaves - Tavares - Marner 4th line gonna go hard next season 😂
are we really going to be chatting about Marner all summer. nothing is happening
Great show today guys
I don’t think Marner’s value is as high as these guys think. There’s a cautionary tale named John Tavares on the team that Marner is mimicking.
In
Tavares’ first 9 years, he made it to the 2nd rd once.
In Marner’s first 8 years, he’s made it to the 2nd rd once.
They both underperform in the playoffs compared to regular season production numbers.
Neither are “superstars”, so paying them as such is bad business.
He has no value on the trade market.
I just don’t see a big market for a $11M guy who is clearly not built for the playoffs
exactly
But for a non-contender who is bottom half of the league and needs a large regular season performance boost to sell season tickets? High value.
@@naosstulos Any team trading for Marner is not just taking on 1x$11M, it will be in the neighborhood of 9x$100M. He’s not going to waive without an extension first. I seriously doubt any team will take on that much term and money for a guy with his reputation
Zegras for marner might actually make some sense, cap wise and on the ice. Plus Mitch will love his long summers in anonymity at Disney land 😂
5 discussions about Marner in 9 days sheesh
People forget at the time a lot of people thought Brad did as well as he could with the Florida trade given the circumstances- hard to predict Huberdu would drop from 115 points to 50 - he’d looked like a solid 70-90 points per year would be a pretty safe bet at the time
If CapFriendly is remotely close, looking at the "value" of Marner's first two years, it seams that Maple Leafs/Marner's agent knew that it was essentially a no-move contract anyways because of the prepaid portion of Marner's salary. Why or better yet, How would you consider trading a player with that amount of money invested when you can't get it out of player(s) of opposing team?
My sister is cottage neighbours with Woodcroft. I'm curious to know, if Edmonton were to win, would he be eligible for a ring? I know some leagues, teams give players a ring if they were on the roster at some point during the year and traded before the playoffs. Interested to know if this would apply for a former coach? Or being a team decision?
Whatever happens I hope the Leafs don’t get fleeced! In my lifetime I have seen super star Mahovlich, heart and soul player like Sittler, good players Unger, Stemkowski, Kehoe, Carlyle, Vaive, Thomas, and most recently Kadri for good or subpar players. The only one that clearly worked out even though most Leafs fans hated it at the time was Clark for Sundin!!! If the Leafs are able to get a young defenseman who is ready to make the next step I’m all in all it but given the history it makes me nervous!!!
Fleeced?
They will be lucky to get anything
The press in Toronto has given 3 of their goalies a breakdown. Freddie, Jack and Sammy. They have viciously gone after Tavares, Willy and Marner. Rielly and Matthews will be next. For some reason
I don't see Berube too happy with Wllly's laissez-faire attitude.
Love a more rational look at all this thx bois
Im looking forward to seeing how the leafs play under a hard nosed coaching staff.
Keep marner and deal with major player changes next year if things don't go well.
If the Leafs are looking to move Marner, why not reach out to Carolina and see if there is something that could include Necas. Might be a win/win.
Due to Carolina would have no interest in paying Marner $11m plus, Aho has been PPG for 2 of past 3 season and their highest paid player making $9.75m playing 1st line C. Plus they have $26m in cap space and have Jarvis, Necas, Guentzel, Teravainen, Pesce and Skjei to resign, mainly their entire 2nd line in forwards and defence.
If the GM trades Marner and he does win the trade with a home run for Toronto. He is done as a GM after his past in Calgary. The Flames are not in the playoffs years after the trade, and the Panthers are in their second Stanley Cup finals...
Mitch could likely still have his best season yet as a Leaf even finally becoming a playoff performer with the Leafs earning a playoff run & still Mitch could walk to sign with say Dubas in Pittsburgh. It is going to be entertaining watching Mitch’s contract unfold. 😀
Finally becoming a playoff performer? Marner has more playoff points in his 8 years with the Leafs than any other Leaf, yet he is perceived by the mostly know-nothing Leaf fans, as a poor playoff performer. What does that make all the other Leafs? Pathetic that Marner is the fall guy for a poorly coached and managed Leaf team. Only the Leafs would trade a future Hall of Famer in his prime. Stupid, thy name is Leafs!
@@scottnewton9060 Marner will be remembered for the wrong reasons. Like focusing on being treated as a God in Toronto. Players at the Blake Wheeler and Mitch level - even in their primes - are not super star material. At least Wheeler - could play well at centre, fight, and didn’t playoff disappoint the way Mitch consistently does. 😀
When it comes down to playoff disappointments in game 7 OT - Mitch never fails to disappoint in say his back checking assignment on Pasta, as Mitch just decided to give up on his back checking assignment at the blue line - and then just watch his man Pasta score.
Without a playoff run in 8 years - how can any NHL player ever - even pretend to be a super star? That sure is a fun & interesting view. 😀
@@jimlangdon1947 I'm guessing that Marner was still playing with a bum ankle that limited his maneuverability but he is not allowed excuses like Nylander and Matthews
@@scottnewton9060 It has been 8 years of playoff disappointment excuses between them. When does it end? I hear they are good at spring golf. 😀
@@jimlangdon1947 True but why don't the others get the grief that Marner does?
If MArner goes to UFA, he can only sign 7 years. It makes no sense for Marner to refuse a trade if they are unable to get on the same page contract wise.
Marner is already set for life with career earnings over 50 million. He might only want to go 3 or 4 years with the cap finally starting to go up. That would take him to about 100 million, plus a chance to sign another long 6 to 8 deal to finish his career at 38 or 39.
Signing for 7 or 8 right now lands him in that gray area of 35 years old when it ends, an age where contracts are tough to get for aging stars and also tough to bury if he fizzles out.
So who is hiring these assistant coaches and associates.. I don't mean who's paying them I understand who's paying.. but sounds like berube isn't responsible for rounding out his staff?.
hopefully pavs gets a cup in a coaching role or something
The 2024/25 season will be a repeat of this season with some different names at the low end of the salary scale. You people need to be realistic. Marner and Traverse are not going anywhere. They will not waive their no movement clause. Worst case scenario is you let them walk on July1st 2025. You free up over 20 million in cap space. Go out and get a number 1 goalie and defenseman and better supporting cast. Knies and Minton will have another year of experience and Cowan will make the team. Repeat after me - Leafs have no cap space to make the team better for the 2024/25 season. Even if they make the playoffs and get into the second round big deal. They are not making it to the final round. Facts do not lie. Let the talking heads talk as they have to play it up and make a living.
They absolutely can not resign Marner ... how to end it, is the question.
Looks like Marner wants to test the UFA market a year from now, see it how unfolds. He's not interested in how this will have huge negative impacts on several levels on the Leafs for next season.. Same as when he held out in 2019. Very selfish and self centered guy, greed just oozes from his pores. Even boos from the fans won't faze him, all he sees are $ signs a year from now. Never seen anything like this before, where the team wants him gone, but player insists on staying.
And that’s why it’s hilarious leaf fans think they are getting real value for him
It’s hilarious to see
I have some inside knowledge on this he was talking with people in Boston he wants to play in Boston he always want to be a Boston Bruins! you'll be traded for the goalie Linus.. plus they're going to throw in one of the Bruins terrible defenseman and we're going to take Tyler bertuzzi back.. both of them went out to dinner with Don Sweeney following the Bruins dispatching them from the playoffs in the game 7 for the 10th time in a row. you heard it here first reliable source
Princess Marner
Baby Tantrum Marner
I refuse to pay more for my ticket so just know if you sit in front of me your seat wont be reclining my knees wont physically allow it. Me and the fam fly from Honolulu to Boston in a week 😂 might Klingberg myself before vaca even starts 😂
Dont need to worry about "winning" a trade--the cap space alone (to reshape the roster) is worth saying goodbye to Mitch. Something tells me Mitch wouldn't handle hometown "boos" very well. This is a fanbase that has booed others (Larry Murphy? Ron Wilson?) right out of the building...
Toronto fans are known for being stupid. Larry Murphy had the last laugh.
The cap space would be much better if Matthews was moved. And the team usually win when he is not in the lineup.
Mitchy getting boos would make him cry and definitely affect his game
@@zascorpusa Time to work on your maturity level.
letting "mo money mitch" walk to FA is the worst trade the team can make. He wont play to win post season. Hes a loser at heart.
Sounds like you.
Marner will play out his contract and take free agency, he wants to have a good year (personal) and expect 7 @ $14 mil.
Even if Marner puts up 100 points this season he will not get more than 12.5 mil. out of anyone. And even 12.5 mil. is markets like Utah, Colombus, Sharks etc. In a competetive market aiming for Stanley cup Marner is not worth more than 10 mil.
nope you heard it here first this is a reliable source : straight up trade Boston Bruins goalie Linus for Toronto Maple Leafs Mitch Marner... this is also going to be another trade they're going to throw in a defenseman and then going to get back Tyler bertuzzi. ... Toronto would be lucky to get that deal too i
@@GershTalentAbeny : even the Leaf's are not stupid enough to trade Marner to a team within their division. We made that mistake already once with Boston, involving a goaltender.
@@clifflayne9073 okay but all my conversations with Toronto fans is that they would trade Marner for a bag of hockey pucks they all around the suck him trained... but for him with the Boston Bruins w/ Pasta! it be like Hull & Oates back in the day... but the Bruins will be giving Toronto a top 5 Goalie in the NHL
Florida in 5….
Wonder if Mitch is aware, or cares, how much his reputation was destroyed by his agent and others around him. What a disaster. Even now he has a chance to reverse it but his agent continues to make it worse for a few extra bucks that won't make a difference to his life at all.
It doesn't make a difference to Marners life, but it sure makes a difference to the agents life who may earn a few more extra dollars when Mitch signs for more money.
Just another greedy guy using a nice kid as a cash cow
Agent works for the player, not the other way around
Jessey so much better than the other guy
I’m Canadian but I can’t cheer for the Oilers. As a died in the wool Flames fan I am cheering for Florida. Go Cats!
leafs need to trade Marner if possible... leafs cant do anything in the playoffs... Matthews will be gone in 4 yrs so they better try something different while they have him sure Marner takes 8 yrs at 10 ok but things need to change asap time is a ticking or another rebuild will happen in 4 yrs and Nylander will be traded mark my words!!!!
The thing about it being Canada's game is just how cocky and gatekeeping Canadians are about Hockey. If you want the sport to grow you have to embrace other people joining in on hockey.
True, just like Americans talking about football and baseball..
It doesn't hurt anything
Baseball is a decently world wide sport, football on the other hand only really gets played in North America. Mainly US and Canada, I know Mexico has a football league, or did, Trent Richardson played there for a little bit.
Trade Marner end of story we need a change
better than getting nothing
Come on, extension not an option. He wants $12.5 - $14 Mil, Leafs only want to pay $8-10 Mil. He won accept a trade as no other team wants him at his price tag. I wouldn't want
this immature, "me" guy on my team.
Associate coach?..WTF?..
1st it’s President? Now this crap!. What’s next?… Woll being named ( Penalty Kill Goalie ) ?
First
Florida/Edmonton. No thanks. Don't care who wins. Don't care what the final scores are. To those who do - enjoy. It's one of those seasons I won't have any idea who's the Stanley Cup winner.
Right.. The guy everyone wants gone *because he is useless in the playoffs* is going to somehow become useful in the playoffs and win a cup somewhere else? Best of luck to him.
Gaudreau, Johnny what happened to him
Trade proposals:
To Toronto: Linus Ullmark, Brandon Carlo, future considerations
To Boston: Mitch Marner
To Toronto: Josh Doan
To Utah: Ilya Samsonov & Jake McCabe
This makes no sense at all..
@@apaapsson4465oh really you want to place a bet on that? after the Bruins dispatched the Toronto Maple Leafs in seven games again for like the 4th year in a row Tyler bertuzzi and Mitch Manor, after being knocked out of the playoffs . they stayed in Boston and spoke and had dinner with Nelly and Don Sweeney. Watch
This absolutely awful, thank god you are not a GM and never will be
Not a Buffalo fan but imagine they traded for zegras and Gibson from Anaheim and then flipped Gibson + assets for marner.
Yeah, we could put Marner on a line with Ville Leino and Jack Eichel.
Julian looks different!
Can't make that joke in this community they are too fat left hehehe
Boucher can carry the bags and pucks or pack his bags
Pavement is definitely not a hall of famer...good player just not hall worthy
$11M in cap space is far more attractive than what you’re stuck with in most trades
Plz keep dean away from NJ - From every NJ fan
Marner has no value in the trade market
It’s hilarious listening to all the delusion
I cannot imagine a world where pavelski is a HOF player.
A good number of Leaf fans know nothing about hockey. They are the worst fans in the league, and I've been one for 64 years. Thank God I still remember the last time they won. I was 12.
All fans from all teams are equally terrible. To have too much emotion dedicated to a sports team that only provides our species with petty entertainment is pretty low minded. People should look at these players as assets, not people.
Stop
i guess it's my own bad luck i was sitting with my uncle and grandfather watching the leafs 31 years ago...now i'm a fan of a team where the moronic fans have ran-out-of-town how many players? and mitch'll be the best of them. this team is never winning and the fans deserve that.
Yup this group of fans is unique to other groups of fans. Leafs fans are more bad fans and other large groups of fans are the right kind of fans. Great take
Its amasing how impotant Leafs fans think they are and how important you think Marner is. 1967 lolllll
Too long on Marner.
Haven’t even listened but just waiting for Jesse to throw shade at small market teams or anybody else besides Toronto.