OMG Dont Buy An Intel 14900k!!!!
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But but but, it's 1000 more.
Number go up!
The 14700k is an upgrade though it has more encores than 13700k
also Liquid Nitrogen cooling required..
Hardware market is getting dumber by the day.
My e-cores are bigger than your e-cores.
I didn't even know that intel 14th gen launched lol
The best value is a cheap b450/b550 for under $100 and a 5700x for $160.
You don't even need 8 cores to game hard! 5600 can often be had for $120 and I don't think anyone would notice a difference.
R5 7500f are better
5600 is definitely a better choice for gamers in terms of value. It is just about 5% slower than 5700x (mainly due to lower stock core frequency).
But even B650s are not that expensive these days. There are plenty of them for $120. And 7500f is $150. 7500f is faster than 5700x by 20-25%. 32GB of 6000MHz DDR5 costs about $80-$90. AM5 is pretty affordable these days.
@@stangamer1151 true but lately 5600 is 130 and 5700x is 160 so if you can use the extra cores it's worth 30 bucks. If not than 5600 is best
@@rjy87 You can find 5600 for $110-$120. But if you really need extra cores, then, yes, 5700x is a great choice at it's current price. Unfortunately only a few games can really use more than 6 cores. Cyberpunk is probably the only AAA game among them though.
For me personally I look at X and K parts as a way to extend the useful life of a CPU before I have to upgrade it. So run it stock for 2 or 3 years for stability reasons if used for work then tune it and get another 2 years out of it before have to do a platform change.
maybe the reason the people smart enough to buy a 5900x don't notice a bottleneck is because they are not in the 7% of the people running a 4090 and therefore don't have a bottleneck?
That's why I think its not really gamers buying the 4090s no matter how much Jensen lies.
@@BlackJesus8463 right most 4090s are L40_. mb
"Bottlenecking" is relative to what you're playing. I play some games where a 5950X is still a bottleneck for a 6800XT. A 5800X3D would've made sense if I didn't have use cases for the additional threads. Moving to a 7950X3D was an easy call in my case.
Main reason i swapped to a 7800x3d is because i dont want a cpu in the 3 digit watts while im playing games. Intel kinda sh*t the bed after the 8700k in power efficiency just to somewhat keep performance parity with AMD. Maybe in the future I will reconsider getting a intel part again once they make sane cpu's again.
And most games can't even utilize that many cores anyways...
I think they're using like 3 times the power now 🤣
Interesting. I have an OC'd and Undervolted13700K and never seen over 100W in a 120hz gaming workload. Where it will choke power in gaming is when compiling shaders. It bascially bursts all cores to compile. But apparently according to techtubers, everyone runs things stock and unlocked frames....
i went form a i7 4790k to a Ryzen 7 5800X3D
I am here for this! Watching your video before any reviews 😂
He's right. I have a 5800X, and I've Wattmaned it to clock to 5GHz, tuned my sub timings, and rock a 6700XT with AnarnimeZone drivers and MPT tuned it (all games read my gpu as a 6759XT.) and I optimized my system for latency. This set up is so floaty. I'm happy happy hippo and I don't even look at new products rn.
If you want to sell the K CPU later on it will sell better then a non K model
I'm doing fine on my AMD RYZEN 5 5500....Until games beg for a CPU upgrade, its pointless wasting money.
Aren't the K models faster stock anyway?
@@brokeandtiredSame haha, R5 5500 does really well for itself. I run mine with the RTX 2070S and it works great as far as I can tell
No they are not@@BlackJesus8463
My personal counter point to buying LGA1700 and tinkering (in 2023), is that the money you'd need to spend on the super high end RAM, put in to just the best AM5 board you can that you won't have a reason to replace. You'll get the same amount of useful time in CPUs in both platforms, but the EOL options on AM5 1-2 years after release will be super cheap, with a massive perf boost. Now I do more than just game with my computer, but I bought a $480 AM5 board that has PCIe5.0, 10GBe and USB4. Short of it outright dying, it has the IO to go the distance for everything, and I could possibly only need a better CPU in 5-8 years. It kind of baffles me that we've witnessed AM4 go from the 1800X to a 3950X/5950X and then 5800X3D, and someone can say LGA1700 somehow looks like a reasonable buy when EOL. Like you could have bought a 7700K back then, just to need to include a board (minimum) to get anything better. I bought the 4790K EOL, needed more threads plus an OC had it matching a stock 7700K. That Z97 board also actually died, most likely the VRMs from what it took to push the OC.
We buy overclockable parts and do nothing because OC is extremely heat and power inefficient, but sells better when we need to upgrade.
Well, the 7800X 3D is only 330 and beats everything. Plus, it's on a new platform and uses 200 watts less. Intel hasn't had anything worth buying in a long long time. 12th, 13th and 14th gen were nothing burgers compared to Zen 3 and Zen 4.
i don't understand how he can say that a 13k gen oced beats an 7800x3D when the AMD CPU blasts everything out the water in gaming and at best power efficiency; what a dumb take...
@@carolares GO watch actual people tune systems. Stop chocking tech tuber cock. The argument should be that for a 13th gen to beat the 7800X3D across the board, you need too do DDR5 tuning which is a nightmare.
@@carolaresI think Paul talks about overclocked 12700K with tuned RAM. In that case it is a bit faster than 7800X3D (and a bit cheaper).
A 13900k/14900k with 8000 ddr5 is faster than a 7800x3d. Not by much but it is.
The problem is that none of the tech channels test that. It’s always in a mid tier board with 6400 ram. Intel is for oc. Amd is for xmp
Amd is way cheaper too
Dont buy a better binned 13900KS for £200 less?
i got a 7800 X3D, RTX 3080 32gb DDR 5 6000 and im playing browsergames only....
not bad
I've been happy with my 12900KF for 18 months now. It's fine tuned now with a 5.7 single 5.2/4.3 all core and after 5 moths of fucking with DDR5 but I bench just as fast as a 13900. It's literally the same silicon...
7800x3d is going for 350 now idk what earth youre living on. it was 450 at launch lol. i still et what youre saying about overclocking but the x3d parts are just faster in certain titles cause of the cache and no overclocking would bridge the gap.
I don't bother with new processers until I'm upgrading the OS and/or HDD. I thought about switching to Ryzen 5 to replace i3 a couple of years ago but still running Win10. Not worth it. Back in the 90's it was a TOTALLY different story but REQUIRED new everything else also.
13900KS + 100 MHZ/so, A bit sad. Have 12700KF and 12900KF, staying with those.
7800x3d was down to $350 as of late...and runs under 100 watts. Makes this 14th gen look like shite.
Hot s****!
Imagine tryin to keep a 14900K cool 😎.
How much power would a CPU need to use in order to not bottleneck a 4090 and next-gen is almost here! It's not like you can throw another socket onto a mobo because the bus is already too high latency.
Biggest nothing burger from intel ever, only release i can remember being worse is rocket lake.
14th Gen Flop. I had a Z690-F board i was holding I got for cheap. Now just gonna sell it. I managed to get a 7900X3d for 300 USD and an X670E-E board for 160 USD. I currently have a 5950x/X570 VIII Hero Wifi/3080 TI. I'm debating on doing a full platform upgrade or just wait for 8000 series and RTX 5000 series.
I'm running a 4090 with the i7 9700k.. in a few weeks I'm upgrading to the 13900k with ASUS ROG Maximus Z690 Hero(WiFi 6E)
Pat getting roasted right now
I bought one, now my 13700k replace my 5950x capture machine.
🎉
That i7 bundle is mental!!
All CPUs bottleneck the 4090 and its only going to get more lopsided for gamers.
The intel 13900k and 14900k are eight cores they are both cost more than the 7800x3d. e cores are dregs that they enble to sell you some thing that it not. They are not true 24 core cpu's.
yea yea, if it works, you can overclock it.
BUT I had a K CPU and it did not overclock AT ALL.
And you need a more expensive MB to get best results and what about RAM?
In the end, I buy a X3D and let it do it's thing.
Easy as that ^^ Well, I press the Power Saving profiles when I just watch YT, but that's really it.
There are feature differences. It's per core thermal throttling is an advantage over the 13900K, and it seems to have more core temp uniformity. Overall it's more efficient than the 13900K. All that said, this shouldn't have a nominal designation as a new gen.
Nah, you can buy the overclocking gear and have good longevity.
15 series will be more than likely bring along a new mobo
the only thing that matters is the price to performance ratio
With AMD you buy the non X to overclock because the X doesn't have any room left to overclock - just enable PBO and move along.
So I was pissed after ordering my 14900k because I did it before the reviews.
I wasn’t gonna open it but I did. Then I was pissed to have an SP 86 in my z790apex.
Then I overclocked it. I’m so glad I opened it. It runs 8000 ram at 1.5 and 5.8 all core at 1.35.
I’m just really confused. I guess sp score means nothing because this thing slaps. I also get 35 more fps in mw2 with nvidia filters on for some reason. Maybe the ram speed? (7400 b4).
Is the USA microcenter has the 7900x with 63 gigs DDR5 and Asus Rog Strix B650 mobo for 599.00 - excellent deal
You can build a pretty powerful gaming rig around that $440 combo deal.👍👍
You need also a cooler for the 12700k to OC. Good one sits around 80 flowers. Great rant btw!
If anything the i7-14700K is probably a better deal if you don't already have a 13900K.
Productivity wise for sure, that was the star of the show but isn't the headline
im glad electrics cheap in ireland so your happy running anything intel. its not cheap here in the UK..
I bought a 7800x3d for 320 on Prime Day. I plan to run a 4090 or 4080. what I'm stuck on is figuring out which ram and motherboard I should grab.
Happy with my Ryzen 7 5800x3D no need to upgrade for me :)
Its always been this way. Even when AMD use to be overclock king no one cared. The normies will normie. Only a small percentage of people overclock.
If you buy a Sports Car - you should be driving it over 100mph all the time - it's like a K series CPU 🤣🤣 Pi## Off 🤣🤣. I've always bought K-series chips & run them efficiently (not overclocked) 👌 Ryzen nowadays - after my i5 4690K lasted all the way to a Ryzen 5 3600 - no more incremental Intel garbage 🤣🤣
Then He ended up getting one later on lol 😂
I've got a 5950x and a 4090 🤷
Your momma must be so proud.
yikes.
R.i.P amd!!!!
lol
I got a 5600x mainly for its value but I got some good oc's on it. It's always worth trying to OC if you know how. I got 4.65ghz all core on my 5600 and 3400mhz on my 3200mhz kit with an even tighter timing for latency.
Agreed. Overclocking adds decent amount of value to PC parts, especially CPUs. You can get severely overpriced 5800X3D and leave it at stock. Or you can get pretty cheap 5600, overclock it's cores, RAM and get 85-90% of 5800X3D performance level for 60% less money.
Glad I chose cheap 3200MHz E-dies when I switched to AM4 with 2600 a few years ago - now they are functioning at 3800MHz CL16. I got 20-25% better performance from my 5600 versus stock RAM/cores.
Gone from a 13700kf to a 14700kf. 14 gen are just ks binned!!
The i9's have usually honestly been egregious. the i7 has usually been the reasonable option, and if you get a good i5 bin, those thing can really slap. Then again, yo can't rely on a good bin to recommend a product to the masses.
I mean here in Canada, a 5800X3D is still same price as a 12700K, and more expensive than a 12700KF. The deals are simply gone here. if still on AM4, X3d is still cheaper than a full platform switch, and to go X3D is roughly same cost to DDR5 intel switch. DDR5 OC is shit, and if people wanna deal with the platform and quirks of AMD, it's probably best that the normies stay on X3D train.
You said you wouldn't get a 7800x3d then proceed to list reasons why you should.
If your gaming, intel doesn't make sense imo. Your on a dead platform using a power hungry CPU and still getting beat a lot of time. AMD, extremely efficient while topping gaming charts and able to upgrade. Why would you go Intel? Amount of p and e cores is not a reason when that doesn't translate to gaming performance
I am confuse.you say you are building a system with an i9 10850k,because you had nothing but trouble with amd cpu's and gpu...yet you recommending AMD??
Dude chill. People who normally bought the 13900k can now buy a 14900k. It's the same price and a tiny bit better. Or maybe the price of the 13900K might go down a bit and they can get that. It's all good. Besides not everyone wants to get the best price/performance. Some people just want cheap, and others just want to "get the best no matter what the price". Just let them.
It’s a refresh dude relax.
I've just bought a 14900K so I have a 12900K for sale, If you don't think the 14900K is a worthy buy over Alder Lake I think you need to do some more research on the performance of them, Yes ok not a worthy upgrade over the 13900K that's for sure but I paid £550 for the 12900K and am paying £559 for the 14900KF, Sounds like an upgrade to me.
No. You bought a shit CPU and you know it. You're just in the "defending the purchase" phase. You could have bought the much better 7800X 3D and a mobo for the same price and save 200 watts. And it's a new platform. You just wasted money on a dead platform.
My mans really spent 195% for 110% the performance. Sounds like an upgrade though! 👍
@@BlackJesus8463 Yeah. Especially since the 14900K loses to the 13900K in 4K while being 100 watts hotter. He's just going through buyers remorse right now. We've told people for a year to not wait for or buy 14th gen. But, some people think bigger number better and don't listen to experts.
Dont forget to buy 15900k😅
Stop being an intel shill FFS. AMD undervolt efficiency savings pays the difference in a few months.
You're delusional.
No you by a 7800x3d and be happy. fuck wasting so much energy
@googleuser7531 unless the 7800X3D is overkill, which it is for almost gamer
mb
Absolutely on point. I have a 12700k, will never sell it ever. I'm keeping it until I'm on my deathbed.
Are you 90 or a particularly heavy smoker?
AMD are not stable, otherwise i would buy them
Why are people so mad? Intel said it was a refresh... geez...
Also the 14900K runs a +200 MHz on all cores compared to the 13900K. 14900K is 5.7 GHz all core while 13900K is 5.5 GHz all core.
his accent is hilarious and hard to understand lol
Intel shill. Best result for money is b450 or b550 +5700x
Because your budget is perfect for what you want to do? ok bruh
for everyone you don't buy, i'll buy two.
For every two you buy, I'll not buy four.
:))))))) @@BlackJesus8463
wtf is on your bottom lip mate
Intel bottom of the barrel company again
There are feature differences. It's per core thermal throttling is an advantage over the 13900K, and it seems to have more core temp uniformity. Overall it's more efficient than the 13900K. All that said, this shouldn't have a nominal designation as a new gen.