Forget The Toyota 4Runner? I Torture Test The New Subaru Outback Wilderness on an Overland Adventure
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In this video I take the new Subaru Outback wilderness on an off-road adventure across Utah. Let's find out if it survives the challenge.
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@Tommy Gunn clearly your shade tree is rotten. Off you go.
@Tommy Gunn clean up your finger nails and try to get your GED.
I got my brand-new 2019 taco 4x4 o-r for less than this subie
@Tommy Gunn Hater
This video has tarnished their reputation that’s for sure
Best presenter on the channel.
Clear, confident, concise, direct, and doesn’t drag on pointless teasers. (You won’t believe this one thing… crap)
Absolutely agree. Just found it today. Couldn't have said it better myself.
Agreed. Refreshingly free of awkward, cringy banter.
With the possible exception of Nathan this young man's presentation style, knowledge of product and overall mannerisms are frankly more professional and entertaining than the rest of the TFL crew.
Agreed. He shows what the car is capable of and when something is not as good he tells you why and how it compares versus just trying to make one brand seem better than another via false equivalencies.
So, he is Wayyyyyy better than his Daddy...
especially Roman and his boy. Those two are insufferable.
I feel like I’ve seen this guy before, in an Outback even, and before he was on TFL
@@jkid4855 nah, Tommy has really improved his presentation style over the years.
Wait when did TFL get someone that actually knows how to drive an AWD car?
Haha, yeah, and they tested it as ninety nine percent of buyers who actually go off road will use it rather than going to some goat trail where it was never designed to go and then claiming Subaru says it's supposed to be capable of doing this when it can't.
Yep, the Outback Wilderness is the better choice for ninety eight percent of Wrangler and 4 Runner owners. What I mean by that is not that the Outback is more capable at the extremes. It's obviously not. Instead what I mean is that for most owners, most of the time, there is nothing they will do with their 4Runner or Wrangler that the Outback couldn't also do. And when they are daily driving on paved roads or in situations where four wheel drive is not needed the Outback gets better mileage, is more comfortable, offers more features for the money and is certainly safer than the Wrangler and likely more so than the 4 Runner. I have no issue with people buying what they want but the arguments made against vehicles like the Outback by Jeep and Toyota owners are often purely academic as best and outright fantasy at worst.
Idk the people who responded didn't understand you. You never said Subaru is better or more reliable. Btw...They all break! I've had numerous jeeps over the years and have both Jeeps and Subies now. You are so right that 90+ percent of the time the Subie can go wherever the Jeeps and 4R's can go. Ones not better than the other, just different. As far as pulling people out on the beach, we'll that's usually driver error. I've seen many jeeps and such be stuck. I myself have got stuck with a jeep on sand. Guess what... my fault, driver error. I spend 6 months a year in Vt. driving on snow covered roads and the Subies drive as good if not better than any jeep or 4Runner, especially with proper tires. So again ones not better than the other just different for different situations.
I’ve owned a half dozen Wranglers, and currently own a 4Runner. This is my second Outback and my favorite of them all. A 2” lift, aftermarket skid plates and larger BFGKo2’s and it’s so much fun off-road, as well as a comfortable daily driver.
That's me. I had a Wrangler for 12 years. I was about to get a gladiator and realized the Outback will more than fit my actual needs
Ditto, this is me too. I used to drive a V8 4Runner. When I bought it, I had all sorts of plans (towing things, off roading, and hearing that sweet V8), but reality is I rarely did any of those things. All the while, putting up with weekly refuels and driving a big boat around.
Recently bought a newer Subaru Outback 3.6R and it’s been the best choice. Much better handling, better gas mileage, and a realistic amount of off roading capability.
This is so true
More of this guy, please!
Finally a TFL presenter that doesn't have a bias against Subaru.
TFL is salty cause Subaru won't give them press vehicles, so they at every chance bad mouth them unjustly and do everything they can to make them look bad. This isn't the channel to get accurate Subaru footage.
Honestly they are not that great anymore. Look at all the mechanics talking about high oil consumption
The best place to learn about the Subaru’s capabilities is the dealership. I learned from the salesman that the WRX makes a great rock crawler for the Rubicon trail. I haven’t been there yet, but I’m glad I have a vehicle that can tackle it with confidence.
Just got a 2021 Crosstrek Sport .. went with it as I'm single and the size fit my needs better. Also, the Trek is 700 lbs lighter and 14" shorter! I lifted it 2" and put on an aluminum skid plate. I also mounter Toyo All Terrain III's in 225/65 17" so I have 11 3/4" at the rear pumpkin .. it did Moab on the easier trails without a problem .. I'm still learning how to drive it off road. I sleep inside the Trek .. at 76 my days of tenting are over .. and once you sleep inside the vehicle you realize how nice it is! My opinion of course. LOL 🤠
The 2.5i in the Crosstrek was a brilliant move by Subaru.
Keep it up Al! 💪🏽💪🏽
Cool to see you still getting after it sir!
Keep on inspiring bud!
I'm adding the 2" kit to my wilderness and I went with the AT3s as well
Good job! Better presentation than anyone else in the TFL crew! Looking forward to seeing more reviews from you.
I just got back from Colorado. I traded my TRD Pro 4 Runner for the Wilderness. Off road at speed the Wilderness is amazing. I have over 10" of ground clearance because of the bigger tires I'm running. Driving on the highway, the Wilderness really shines. Smooth, quiet and good mpg. Off road, the suspension is so smooth compared to a Jeep or 4R. I still miss the 4R, but the cheaper operating cost of the Wilderness is nice.
We had ours in Death Valley 122 f . Every other car was overheating and off the road . The Subarus temp gauge never even moved !!!!! Love ours .
What time and tire size are you running to get the 10" clearance? Do you have a lift on?
@@zbassr2106 just going from A 225/65R17 (stock) to a 245/65R17 is 1 inch in difference. so the tire alone will get you to 10" of ground clearance without a lift.
@@c.h.9827any rubbing with the 245s?
lol I’m thinking about doing the same thing! I have a new TRD Pro 4Runner (paid off) and really just not in love with it. Heavily considering an Outback wilderness as I think it will better suit my needs. And I’ll make some money back on the trade in so it sounds like a no brainer.
Makes no sense comparing it to a 4runner or wrangler.
A cherokee trailhawk would be good tsst comparison.
He wasn't comparing them to those, he was explaining why you would want one OR the other, that certainly are in different offroad classes.
@@Databyter 7:56 if you compare,,,
@@daved6464 Only if your comprehension is that low. He is only pointing out that if you went that direction, you get heavier, more expensive, etc, but that for most stuff THIS CLASS is adequate for what it is designed for. If you are understanding what he is saying in context, this is the message. If you are tearing it apart to make comments on the internet, you are missing the point. A real comparison would be comparing tires, clearances, power choices etc. He is only mentioning those others because they are an offroading standard, a standard that the Outback Wilderness OBVIOUSLY, CAPTAIN OBVIOUS does not achieve. This is NOT a comparison video, in the sense that it is comparing vehicles within a class. It DOES compare classes in an offhand way in passing to explain the segment. The author leaves it to the intelligence of the community to understand the difference. Databyter
@@Databyter LMAO are you trolling me. I remeber the same bla bla from another post.
@@daved6464 Sorry, no not trolling you. At least not on purpose. At any rate, it's not a big deal either way. Everyone agrees that those vehicles mentioned are light years more capable offroad. This is why it should be obvious they are not being directly compared. Just mentioned to make a valid point. And I think you, and I, and the reviewer in the video are all in agreement on this, so really this is a pointless comment to post, and for me to have to respond to. If I see you making the same comment elsewhere, I will try to remember your name and spare you explanations a third time. Databyter
Sorry you can’t even compare a outback to a 4Runner! Apples to oranges. They aren’t even in the same league
I'll take a outback over a 4runner any day in our Midwest winters...owned both and currently own my wilderness.. expect more.
if this was done by Roman or his son then the video will feature that one issue which made them shit on it continuously, no matter how capable it is, lol
So right
What’s the one Issue?
@@awhiteguy24
CVT, main suspect I guess.
Kinda like when they expected a reasonably efficient defroster in the Gladiator. Lighten up guys it's only like 2020 and a $40k+ vehicle and the technology has probably only been around for 50+ years. No one actually needs to be able to see anyway!
@@hippiebits2071 love the sarcasm but their Gladiator more along the lines of $53,000+ before all the mods.
Great video 👍🏼 keep Chase on these, he has a great vibe
I've always been curious about Subarus. The company I'm working for in Portland Oregon just rented me a 2023 Subaru, Outback, and three days ago a healthy snow storm hit that left behind some of the steepest and curviest ice covered roads I've ever driven on, and I have to say this little Subaru, impressed me more than any other vehicle I've ever driven in my entire life, it laughs at the ice and snow, and just rolls right over it when people all around me are literally sliding off the road. I'm convinced, for daily driving, and dealing with adverse conditions, such as snow and severe ice, these vehicles are second to none.
As a fellow Portlander, I can vouch for the Outback's incredible snow and ice ability during this week's storm. I own a base 2015 outback with some relatively worn WS80's and I was able to drive from Beaverton to Mt Hood and back with near full control during the snow storm. Whilst I was simply cruising along, I passed dozens of stuck cars (even jeeps??) Was fun. If I could afford it, I'd upgrade to the outback wilderness in a heartbeat.
I have a Z-71 Tahoe with good off-road tires and was recently out-mudded by a hippie in one of these, needless to say the ol' ego is still a bit bruised...
I have a wilderness and I drool when I see larger SUVs like the Tahoe. If I didn't live in a condo with a small car spot I would love a Tahoe.
i wanna see what does in snow
eh it wasn't a torture test by any means...
I'll keep my 4Runner.
Smart move! Lol
Yup lol 😂
Yeah sadly I’ll admit as a Subaru owner. Don’t ever sell it. Drive that 4Runner until the wheels fall off
Great review Chase. It was weird not to see this car struggling. I thought it could not offroad. Odd.... glad you had fun. 👍
I haven’t seen one do it yet;( Honestly any AWD Toyota Highlander can do that, for example.
@@JeepCherokeeful Agreed. I do like the concept of tests more appropriate for what the vehicle is actually designed for rather than just attempting to send everything up a 4x4 hill that a crossover buyer would probably never attempt ( can be fun to watch tho). With that said I do think they could have chosen something more challanging than basically a flat road especially when it's being compared to something like a 4Runner or Wrangler.
Is because the other guys hate Subaru, and they will only find problems and will only point the bad and not the good as he does?
@Not Dave serious question (for anyone) what CVT equipped vehicles do well on offroad hill climbs...any of them???
Cause he knows how to drive lol I have the touring xt and have not had any issues on the roads he has done except mud lol
Actually, 9.5 inches of ground clearance is nothing to sneeze at. That's over 24 cm, which back in the day was more than the minimum ground clearance of some of the best off-roaders. I think the Outback needs it, though because of its long overhangs and the wheelbase. After all, it's not all about going over rocks. Off-road driving is more about approach-departure and breakover angles. I'm glad Subaru offers this option because a lot of people need just this - a more comfortable car for day to day (compared to a traditional frame-based trucks) with decent fuel economy, which they may take off-road occasionally for camping or hiking. It's not here to set records or compete with heavy hitters, but it should be able to address the needs of a lot of people. It's a more practical approach.
Well said. I'm in the market for a new car and I'm on the fence between a Tacoma and something like this or a Rav4 Adventure. The tacoma with a bed topper would be nice, but I love small nimble cars. My current do-it-all vehicle is a 06 Forester.
@@thomasdantas For what it's worth, I'd suggest going with the RAV4, but not the hybrid model (to keep it as standard 4-cylinder gasoline engine/automatic transmission combo). I loved the old Subarus when they had manual transmission and good old 50/50 symmetrical all-wheel drive. With things changed nowadays and Subarus using the dreaded CVT, I'd stick with the RAV4. Just my two cents.
I live where you can get a foot of snow multiple days, and even though the clearance is amazing, it still won't clear those blizzard days where some of the Wranglers would. That being said, it's a fantastic vehicle. I have one on order hopefully coming in December.
@@The_Norse_Hunk Can't argue that. There are always conditions out there that are extreme to this type of car/truck, which would be still manageable for another car/truck. I have to say, though, that if you have more than a foot of snow, you're likely not going to go out to drive. You may get caught in a storm once in a while and being able to make it to home would be nice in that case, but the point I'm making is that once you have that much snow, it's not so much about picking a car/truck with an even higher clearance, but rather about staying home and limiting your travel.
@@thomasdantaspersonally I would think about the RAV4. I love subies but the Rav 4 transmission and engine are better and more reliable cars. Subaru engines are now more prone to oil leaks and oil consumption at higher mileage (less than even 100k) if u don't plan on putting high mileage on it I guess it doesn't matter
It doesn't matter because the cvt ruins it they should just do a automatic
I don't think they HAVE one, or a realistic one, at this point. Last true auto was mated to the 3.6 which will not share bolt pattern, probably a lot longer since they mated one to a 4 cyl. The CVT is probably much cheaper than any auto they could source from ZF or whomever.
The CVT is just fine, just change the fluid at regular intervals despite what the dealer and manufacturer say.
Or a bad ass manual. Junkies would love it.
Forget the 4Runner
LOOOOOL ARE YOU HIGH
Must be! They are head quartered in dope smoke Colorado! 💨 🤪
We love ours it's a little taller so highway driving with big gusts you'll feel it a little . But it's an amazingly capable can and has great handling for it's higher ground clearance !!! We've got 9000 miles on it and it's only 2 month old . Death Valley at 122 f in agust , no problem ! Southern Utah sand , no problem ! Mt Hood logging roads, NO PROBLEM. Can't wait for the snow .
This presenter is a million times better than all the others! Makes the videos on the channel actually enjoyable
Waahhhhhhhhh
I have a buddy that traded in his Xterra on an Outback several years ago. He does a bunch of hiking, mostly forest roads so no super difficult "jeep trails", and he's been really happy with it.
Cool story, bro.
As always, you're killing it Kase. Your videos are getting better and better. Keep it up!
My #1 youtube source for vehicle reviews. :) Well done Kase.
Just bought one of these. So far great vehicle. Don't get the hate on subaru. We have had a few and the latest one was an 09 forester. Daughter is getting that one and wife gets the outback.
Living in the desert I would strongly dispute that road being unusually bad. Vehicle seems pretty nice tho. Subaru has really gotten things together with their interiors on the higher trim level vehicles.
Yeah exactly, not a bad road for the desert. I think it is a good example of what you “should” do at most in this vehicle though. It’s not an off road vehicle in reality.
@@Chasing-the-outdoorsI wouldn't mind seeing how things would go in thicker mud. Not so much to test the limits but because that's a fairly common situation even people who don't offroad can find themselves in. Park in an overflow lot at some large event only to come out to find it's a total mud pit...I would imagine most people have experienced something similar.
@@hippiebits2071 I don't usually film my off road trips I can attest to the winderness handling mud like a champ but like any 4x4 if the mud gets too thick and deep can have trouble, I upgraded the tires a week after purchasing mine though.
Exactly. I live in tahoe and wheel in northern NV high desert. That was a pretty normal desert highway style road. Usually those have offshoots that are 'real' jeep trails and that's how you get to the good camp spots. Those are where the subie would struggle but for a softroader it's not bad.
@@Chasing-the-outdoors Subaru will NEVER build one of those, heck they still aren’t even building want their customers really want;(
I Never give 👍 for TFL as TFL gave bad and unfair Critic for Subaru...... But now it's Fair and Good video of Subaru Outback Wilderness, So I give 👍👍
I agree with these comments. This was an extremely well presented overview. 👍🏾
Great video. Great content!
I have watched “18,000“ videos on Subaru outbacks. I own a wilderness. This was a fantastic presentation. Very well done.
I'm more curious about the Ridgeline I saw ahead of y'all on the trail. I can see it's the HPD "performance appearance package". Curious if it had any sort of lift or aftermarket tires.
Noticed that too. Given how much the tfl team dislikes the Ridgeline, I was pleased to see it holding its own with the Outback.
@@jg8263 I don't get the impression they dislike the Ridgeline. They seemed pretty positive about the 2021 model they recently had.
@@aaronbehindbars they are coming around, but go back and watch videos from when the current gen2 debuted in 2017, they were not fans. They are getting better and more objective now, I think Hyundai and Ford may have helped by showing the unibody truck isn't going away.
@@jg8263 Well it did overheat and shut down going up the 4x4 test area. Maybe the new one is better. Low range is standard 4x4 equipment for a reason..
@@ryanmartinage the 2017s 6 speed transmission had a 14:1 crawl ratio, the newer 9 speed has 20:1 is my understanding.
Would be nice if Subaru offered a factory 1.5"-3" lift option covered under warranty.
Most of their vehicles require significant suspension geometry changes to get past 1" of lift. If you need real lift, the Subaru's just aren't a viable option unless you are willing to do a major redesign on the rear suspension.
The factory lift on the Wilderness is pretty much the limit of the geometry in the back, which is why Subaru doesn't offer more as a factory option.
Pardon my ignorance, but is it there any manufacturer offering full warranty on a lift kit?
@@mjdm1925 Toyota offers full factory warranty on the new 2022 Tacoma TRD Pro with lift
A taller A/T tyre would've been better too. It compensates when lowering air pressure.
There is no way youre lifting a Subaru 3 inches correctly without adding thousands ands thousands of dollars to the price
WOW a favorable Subaru review from TFL??? #Unicorn
Thank God this wasn't a review by Subie hater Roman!. How did TFL even get the ok from Subaru to review this?🤣🤣
This is the video everyone wanted. I'm loving my OBW.
I love reading all the "but ______ is 100x better off-road", completely missing the point raised in the video, 90% of people don't need any more off-road capability. Most off-road vehicle owners only use them soft-roading anyway, so being better at rock crawling isn't actually a benefit for them.
Yeah till you find yourself in the situation where you need it. It’s like needing a 8’ step ladder and you only have a 4’ one. 😄
@@StubProductions you could always just remember the capabilities of your vehicle, and not exceed them.
@@StubProductions I agree 100%. I was told since a very young age to always buy one size larger pickup truck than I might ever need. Same applies here. Better to buy a slightly more capable vehicle than you'll ever need than to skimp and limit possibilities.
@@Furniture121 Yes absolutely. Nothing wrong with that. 👍
Thank you TFL - here in Australia I’ve owned nine Subarus being Foresters, WRX, Liberty, Leone and one Outback - cool that you’ve called your remote ‘outback’ because this is actually a well known Aussie term - I’m selling my 4WD because it’s now twice the fuel cost (diesel) and running costs - I will get my tenth Subaru - all my Subarus were able to travel where some 4WD owners would not go - very capable, cheaper and you don’t need a rock crawler in fact I did remote outback Australia right up to Kakadu in the NT and easily slept in the rear.
It's too small for my family, but I do really like it and I agree with most commenters that it will do just fine taking folks down some back country roads and on some nice adventures. Just have to know the cars limitations.
To small? Do you drive a bus? How many kids do you have? Breeders are a different kind of breed. Why are you watching this video then if you realistically have no time to do anything you want to do since your family is so huge.
I hope you guys test the Maverick FX4 directly against the Bronco Sport Badlands to see how much difference the diff and modes make. The Maverick is looking like a really dope little overlanding vehicle if the AWD is actually up to scruff. A tiny lift, 31s, bed cross bars and a tent. The tent would be roof-level so it wouldn't hurt gas mileage at all...you could drive cross country at 25+ mpg and then wheel for a weekend. Not a bad idea.
4Runner would run circles around this sad little cvt machine.
Not in the Sam category
uhhh.. similar to a Jeep Wrangler? Really? Try comparing it to the Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk maybe, which cost just a bit less, but it at least has a real mechanical locker. But I did enjoy this video. It was good to see it put thru it paces. I always enjoy the TFL videos.
Similar in Price...he was talking about other vehicles in the $40k price range...and both a JL/JLU & 4Runner can be had for $40k. His point was that for $40k the Wilderness is almost fully loaded, where as the JL & 4Runner would be more basic trims.
@@luchaDor Are you sure? He did make a blanket statement of "Wranglers". Some Wranglers start at $51K. The loaded Cherokee KL Trailhawk can be had for $41k as well.
Subaru does not support TFL, don't test them. Just my opinion
You’ve got that backwards…TFL shits on Subaru and they are sick of it. I don’t blame them.
@@SIGINT007 my statement was "Subaru does not support TFL", which they do not...how is that backwards?
Good for off-road? One word - CVT. You make your own conclusion.
CVTs not the best for on-road, either .... (current CVT, and outback, owner here)
Maybe better for cost of production and fuel economy.
Whose subaru is that anyways? I know subaru didn't give yall that car to review.
NO I DON’T forget the 4RUNNER
What is the name of that roof tent?
Excellent review .. Subaru giving cars to TFL again ???
This is almost certainly the best Wilderness review on the internet.
R.Henry, M.D.
This kid is 1000 times better than the “main” hosts on this channel
Did TFL get invited to a Subaru press event?!!! Did Roman patch things up with Subaru of America? Or... Maybe there was never a TFL-Subaru falling out?? ;)
If only they didn't equip the car with a crappy sound system. I had to spend $2800 to get some decent sound from the car, install a Kenwood subwoofer, and replaced the speakers at the doors.
Will they send this up Gold mine hill(not sure if that's the right name) where the other Outback failed?
I want to see that to its one of my favorite spots when they test vehicles
Nice review. How did you guys get a hand on the new Outback Wilderness? Did Subaru invited you?
This! Questions need to be answered!
There's press vehicles making the rounds right now, it's one of those ones no doubt. That's why there's a round of Wilderness videos popping up again, Subaru is loaning out the press fleet right now.
In another video Tommy mentions a teardrop camper company (I think?) lended it to them.
Careful when comparing to a 4runner and talking about value. It's cheaper for a reason, capability is one thing but build quality and durability are lower as well. Not hating on the subie, but those are also considerations when you're choosing a vehicle like this.
It may not be like a 4 runner, but they are not built cheaper and quality isn't lower.
@@madmattsubieman9807 They cost less to produce, literally built more cheaply. I've owned multiple iterations of both. It's not a knock on the outback, they do well in the snow, dirt roads, haul a lot of gear and are reliable. They're a staple up here in the sierra where I live. 4runners and FJCs are on another level of build quality, they can be 10+ years old without a rattle or mechanical issues in the same conditions as the outback plus add harder wheeling. Just basic maintenance and they go forever. My subies had rattles and electronic issues fairly early in their lives, and even without them the interior was more plasticky and there was more road noise.
I know based on your screen name you'll probably disagree and that's cool. But I'm basing my opinion on direct experience with multiple vehicles and solid use of all.
@@bigslacker666 I can echo these exact statements.
I like my family Outback. Good enough for marked trails to get to camp and even better around town.
It's not a real off-road truck but the wife loves it.
nearly everyone in the western US would take the 4Runner over the Subaru. You don't want your oil light to come on while off roading and I can almost guarantee that it will happen at some point.
Why does everyone have a big boner for the 4runner. Sluggish, under powered, outdated, tin can, junk
This is the First time I Saw you..... young man....
You are ReSimble your Daddy's look.... So I guess you are Tommy's brother...
......Who let you guys borrow Subaru Outback Wilderness...????
2024 Outback Wilderness here. Love it so far. It's my road trip and car camping vehicle.
People always make fun of Subaru's for being mom cars, but I know I get the last laugh at the gas station or when I pass by another stuck vehicle on the trail
I sincerely hope you guys make this young fella a permanent fixture on TFL. His presentation is absolutely on point.
Im still hesitant given the criticisms of the glitchy,laggy infotainment screen. Some say it just goes dark sonetimes and has to be rebooted.
Too bad what’s under the hood is garbage. You couldn’t pay me to own a Subaru again. So many issues and recalls with our 2014 forester xt and Subaru refuses to stand behind their junk. There’s a reason they have a 2 star rating as a company (until they delete their page and start over). We’ve owned 3 and never again. Toyotas from here on out. F@!K Subaru.
Subaru Outbacks are nice, but they are not an apple to apple comparison with the 4Runner.
Obviously
@@darylhill9400 well, maybe they should change the title then.
I'm about 2 weeks away from taking delivery of my 2023 wilderness and I couldn't be more excited. Awesome video!
Congrats! I’m impatiently waiting for my delivery as I just ordered my OBW 2 weeks ago😅
@@TCobb47 they should have the stop sale resolved by then, so better to wait for it to be built than wait to pick it up from the dealer when they can't sell it to you haha
@@Bajablast_scuba_cat Your absolutely right! Lol. It’s crazy, I originally ordered a touring XT, just as the chip shortage started. I going to wait for the OBW lol
Why turbo though?? It's sucks those small motors can't handle it and very expensive to fix
1999 called. They want their gauge cluster back. Anyone who takes this POS off road has a death wish, it's a hatchback with AWD. Absolutely useless.
All opinion base
This is more of a soft roader test then a tortue test...
Roman and Tomas' review of the Subaru are more torturous than this, funny how they aren't doing the review. lol
Most of the trails in this video seems fairl easy and can be done with any high clearance awd cross over, ie Rav4, Renegade, FBS, etc.
This trail would be considered a 1/10 on an off roading scale.
I did a few easy trails in Utah in my FJ with my dad in a 2011 Rav4 V6 and the Rav4 kept up pretty well, Chicken Corners and Potash Road.
The word "Off road" has been soften up so much that every persons define it differently now a days.
Some people define it as just being off the street while others define it as an unmaintain trail that's more moderate than a fire road. I grew up watching Jeep rock crawl so I define this as soft roading. A new term for a new era.
But at the end of the day, I'll pick a 4runner anyday over a Subaru. Even the SR5 stock can out beat a Subaru.
I like those rooftop tents. I prefer being removed from the varmints while I’m sleeping - plus they’re cooler ...
All these overlander videos always compare everything to a 4runner. I wonder why?
Idk man I loved subaru but Jesus, I have had a few mechanical issues and no one cam figure it out. Idk a lot of ppl don't know how to work on them.
For that price you can easily get a proper 4x4 with transfer case
if you are someone who only care about off-roading, sure. This car offers gas milage and driving characteristics other 4x4 just can't match, and that's the selling point.
@@jkid4855 great point. I just don’t understand how people watch these videos and still make comments like the previous one. The video clearly states that this is a more practical everyday option for what most people need.
@@jkid4855 like 25mpg vs 20mpg? You save like $700/year if you drive 15k miles but places you can go is very limited.
@@vedder10 emmm, cvt is a joke. Honda new passport is the new outback( sti type awd, true 9sp, better crawl ratio, lower maintenance because no turbo, similar price tag)
@@jkid4855 I see your point. And for some people, it might be a selling point. But in general, for someone who doesn’t mind dishing out 40k to get that car, they are probably not as sensitive to the savings on gas as someone who drives a Toyota Prius. On top of that, the savings on gas with this car is probably negligible until after maybe 50k miles (I’m saying this based on my experience with a Prius btw). But that’s not all. Depending on the trail, there may be a bigger risk of damaging the car when off-roading with this car than with a 4 runner. And like someone said earlier, you get to go to a lot more places in a 4 runner. With all these taken into consideration, I just don’t think what the car can do justifies the stiff price tag. But again, to each their own.
At 1:06 you can see that those slits in the skid plate are tilted. Bad idea for off roading, good for aerodynamics and cooling. When you will be bottoming out on snow or dirt and reverse, those slits will act like a cheese grater even with those reinforcing ridges near the slits.
As always, great video Kase
Gold trim, yuk.
Everything else looks good.
Now they can release one without all the technology garbage for an affordable price.
Great job Chase! You even got Subaru to lend TFL a new car to test offroad!?!
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Subaru should have given us the Wilderness models years ago. It's exactly what Subaru people have always wanted.
Well here we are now
They did back in the 90's. It was the Outback package on the Legacy and the Outback Sport package on the Impreza Wagon.
Took them awhile to come full circle and do it again, now on the models that originated as this basic package on other models.
I hope there's another video with more technical 9ff roading.
was eye-sight system working, when off road. I've decided not to buy Subaru, because of eye-sight system.
The OB is a jack of all, master of none. It's all fun and games until things start breaking or service needs to be done. A base 4runnner SR5 will last, be inexpensive to maintain, have a low range transfer case, and can have better tires easily mounted even without a lift.
For $46,000, you can get a really nice 4Runner.
Out the door a 2022 T4R Off Road Premium is that price with Tech package including the Terrain surround cameras. I’ll take the hit in MPG to get the stoutness of the frame. Subaru’s are awesome cars, I sold them and wanted them when I was in the PNW. Like another commenter said Subies are good for the majority of people (myself included). The 4Runner just has that Land Cruiser DNA to it that appeals to our nomadic ancestry.
This was just under $40k, not $46K. The Wilderness package starts at $36k on the Outback, cheaper on the Forester.
At $46k, you're looking at a real off-roader vehicle, you can get into a Bronco, JK, Ranger Tremor or TRD Taco for that money too.
@@adam_mawz_maas i misheard 36 for 46 probably. My mistake.
@@adam_mawz_maas I got a JL with Dana 44, lsd, tow, all cold weather luxuries, and an infinite warranty on drivetrain and chassis, AT tires, engine upgrade….$38k sticker price. Could never consider a Subaru being a competitor. Not even Ford or Toyota could match that value
Love my wilderness, and will address the following: obviously this is not a hardcore off-road vehicle as they contain the following good approach/departure angles, 4 wheel drive with a high/low transfer case, locking differentials, and dislocating sway bars/ or a long flex independent suspension. And actual heavy steel body armour aka rock sliders and skid plating that supports full weight of vehicle. Oh and the best off-road vehicles contain few electronic features so you can fix crap on trail, because if you are truly "offroading" you will break crap.But if you want to travel cross country you are going to need a loan for gas, street travel no matter how manageable will not match a car, drone due to knobby tires. This is a nice vehicle and will get you to your favorite hiking trail. Is great for road tripping, and is mildly capable for snow mud and other loose traction situations. And if it isn't asphalt, or maintained by a county roads, no matter how mild you are off roading, you don't have to bounce off rocks all the time.
Fun fact the rims are manufactured by Enkei.
The accents are copper, not gold, IMHO
I want one so bad.
American spec car. We dont get this version in the UK.
GREAT review!!
The most remote campgrounds you need to hike lol
stay away from Turbo's they don't last
the first driving section looked super fun!
Great video!
Imagine if the new WRX's manual would fit
Where is that location?? Feath Valley????
Cherokee trailhawk will go farther
This is dumb. You have the "Forget the 4Runner" in your title and your driving on a flat dirt road. Come to where I live in Arkansas and your subie will be broken down in the mud. I have owned 2 WRX and a 4runner and I would buy another 4runner all day every day. True 4x4, Towing, 3rd row seats. The subaru does not even come close. You need to compair that Subaru to a CRV or some other AWD vehicle and leave the 4Runner in the all alone class its in now.
I'm very impressed with the Wilderness package from Subaru. Even with a CVT which is hopefully more reliable in this application with more cooling. After seeing Honda botch their Trailsport package reveal, Subaru did good work!
I’ve had mine for over a year. When OME tires were done, went to Cooper Road and Trail AT. Perfect combo! I’ve ran mine on slick rain soaked fire trails, deep snow and beach sand. Has been near perfect. Does everything my 4Runner and Jeeps did(except hard core rocks)and been a much better day to day driver.