The biggest mistakes this game had were Releasing on the epic store killing any chance of getting a community Not having modding support The smartest thing firaxis did was support modding in xcom 2 game’s like the fallout 4 of turn based tactics games, purely held up by the work of the community. Phoenix point could of benefited greatly from having a dedicated modding community.
@@WatchMysh that really doesn’t matter now The game barely has any exposure or community. The most attention this game got was negative all the way back when they took the epic deal stabbing their kickstarter backers in the back and the game launching as a buggy unbalanced mess. As for the behemoth console edition I don’t see the community getting much larger, how many console players actually play tactical turn based strategy especially one with no advertising.
@@SneedRemembrancer that's quite sad because PP is a good game nowadays. Yes... I remember the outrage as the Epic deal was announced. I myself didn't have a problem with that but I can understand if someone has.
Anyone else find the lack of customisation a problem??, I mean, coming from xcom 2 I could give every soldier there own unique look, can't really do that in phoenix point... I'd say that was it's biggest flaw for me, other than that, I love the game.
repeated mission, and EQ managment is a pain. There should be filters implemented, looking for certain pistol and ammo is a pain with buch of stuff thrown in your EQ
I backed this on kickstarter and played this game often. I really want to love it, but… there is just something. I don’t know what it is. It’s better than xcom. One of the best turn based games I played, but… It feels soulless.
I'm a Bronze tier backer of Phoenix Point. My name (Setokaiva) is in the credits. After playing the game since its release, and most recently trying out the new Terror From the Void mod's 1.0 version, I'm convinced that the game's biggest shortcoming -- the fact that there's so much going on at once -- is actually the point. It's a feature, not a bug. You're supposed to feel like you're drowning. You're NOT supposed to be able to take on every mission. Resources are meant to be scarce, skilled soldiers are precious, your soldiers get tired, and your ammo runs dry. If you're taking on everyone everywhere and just wiping the floor with the enemy, you need to turn up the difficulty. It's a similar story with XCOM. Stomping every fight isn't fun. Fighting impossible odds and earning your win is the point to Phoenix Point-pun fully intended.
Looks like I didn't miss that much on Phoenix Point. Kinda lost interest when they initially announced Linux support but dropped that early again and so I didn't keep taps. Ah well. What I am really enjoying recently is the latest iteration of ChaosGate tho🤓
@@WatchMysh for my time it gives me hella new difficulty settings, but in general it changes how the enemies evolve/events work/faction diplomacy/dlc balancing/and oodles and oodles more. The parts of vanilla PP that made me wince are generally addressed and the parts of vanilla PP that I didn’t even know I wanted are now in. It’s as close to a total conversion mod as I would wager to say. Very comparable to the Long War for XCOM2
Biggest issue i have is the fighters have only 2 hard points Just fought jerico fighter with 5 2 is you carry tank you only have 4 slots left 3 resoures like tech is scace add buildings like for food 4 small field of play Xcom2 clock isnt sync with game so dont play it Get 3/4 the way done before i have major fighting
No steroids at all... it is just very young man who can copy... It doesn gives feeling of your HQ 01:53... it is just photos but the your HQ :) Immersion do they hear about that ?
x-com is 100% better then Phoenix point, Even though it was made like 10 years before phoenix point and has the same creative lead. This video sounds like an add for a cash grab game.
What kills me the most in these types of games, is the plethora of rich lore where you see all these creatures/races/factions and you're stuck with only being to play one. Then on top of that the other thing that always knocked my enjoyement mostly out was the ticking bomb gameplay where you have to rush through everything. Strategy is good and all, but I'm one of those that likes to take their time to get ready for the big final. If I feel rushed into it it kind of makes me stop and look for something else. It just kills me how much I love the lore of these game but can never get to finish any of them because of gameplay. The customization on this game looks awesome.
To już wiadomo od jakiegoś czasu że na normalnym poziomie zegar śmierci jest tylko pozorny. Bardzo trzeba się postarać aby przegrać na tym poziomie trudności. To jest taki efekt psychologiczny :)
About the OP build. Devs knows about them but lets them in, in part for new player who discover them and use them and for those not so sabby in tactics, game can be quite long and dificult in late game.
Nice video and quick to the point, thanks for the info! Was thinking of playing XCOM EW Long War again to scratch the itch but am going to try PP's with the new Overhaul mod instead, hopefully I enjoy it.
huh, never heard of this. And my main beef with the new it was too unsimilar to Xcom - UFO Defense, and the 2nd game even more so. might have to check it out.
I finished the game and it was nice. My biggest problem was a race against the clock. I want xcom-like game where i can take my time in campaign. Also i didnt like factions, they felt flat to me. This game was a one timer for me, interesting concepts but no likable enough to play multiple times.
Very interesting to hear a more positive opinion of this game, it sounds like in many ways it's exactly what I wanted- It sticks a middle finger at a lot of the conventions of modern XCOM for a more serious, sober, desperate experience without relying so heavily on dice rolls. The sheer vitriol towards it early on always kept me away.
X4 is a tough one. Beneath the not-so-good UI and often janky AI lies a great simulation. If you're okay to work around these issues you'll find a true gem in my opinion. But I can fully understand if people have different opinions on the X series. It's not very polished, stubborn and eats up a lot of time.
The upset was more about what wasn't in the game and development rather than what was in the game. I don't recommend you do as it's just a rabbit hole of upset backers and it gains you nothing at this point but you can fairly easily look up what people were mad about.
It sad.. .this game cam 2ß Years to late :D. I would have loved to play this in my 20 or even 30 haha.. but today, i need a game where i can set the pace. How fast it goes, how it evolves and...how much i have to do mostly. Cause i got more and more in live with micro managment as older i got. lol. :D
@@WatchMysh well... then... :D No sry but it looks too much like a crossover between X and Xcom :D. I may rake a look at it once i ran out of patience with the actual games i play but. I would not count on it haha
That's too bad. I play XCOM2 WOTC on console and love that extended clock so I can do what I want, but this sounds like a deal breaker to me. Why have all this stuff if you don't have enough time to even get near it? I was really interested in more XCOM like games for PS4, but it doesn't seem like this one is it with that clock problem.
games trash in my opinion im not interested playing these sort of games that force you to finish the game when they want you to a max level character can die from the weakest enemy in one shot so idiotic am not a fan waste of time
Ich habe Phoenix Point zum Steam Release mit allen zu dem Zeitpunkt erhältlichen DLCs angefangen zu spielen. So richtig konnte ich mich nicht damit anfreunden, womit das auch zu den wenigen Rundenstrategie Titeln gehört, die ich nie zu Ende spielte. Ich weiß nicht ob ich in den ersten 11 Spielstunden irgendwas massiv übersehen hatte, aber das Progressionsystem hat mir gar nicht zugesagt. Richtige Upgrades gab es nicht, fast nur Sidegrades die man theoretisch an die Entwicklung der Gegner anpasst. Während man selbst aber nicht wirklich mehr Wumms hatte, musste man fortlaufend härtere und vor allem eine Vielzahl an Situationen handeln. Eben das was du auch erwähntest das es irgendwann einfach nur noch lästig wird. Was mir aber am ehesten in Erinnerung geblieben ist, dass was mich die ersten zwei Stunden extrem irritierte, ohne das ich sagen konnte was genau es ist das mich irritierte. Bis mir dann auffiel das es keine Musik gab und auch die Geräuschkulisse im Hintergrund war bestenfalls, wenn überhaupt vorhanden, angedeutet. War doch etwas sehr enttäuscht, was aber auch daran gelegen haben kann, dass ich hohe Erwartungen hatte und mich lange Zeit auf das Spiel freute. Sind aber auch lediglich die Probleme die ich damit hatte. Freut mich wenn das Spiel bei Anderen doch so gut ankommt.
Mir fällt gerade ein: in den ersten 10h ist es wichtig sehr schnell die Waffenforschung voran zu treiben. Man muss den Pandorans immer einen Schritt voraus sein, sonst passt man sich eben immer nur an. Daher ist im Grunde jede genutzte ingame-Stunde relevant. Min-maxing ist extrem wichtig in PP.
Installing it right now. I'm very curious because XCOM2 was rage-inducing but awesome and this game seems to offer an alternative to RNG shooting. I don't mind strategic depths, my issue was the luck factor. XCOM2, even if I love it, kinda feels like as if Hearthstone devs invented chess.
@@theclone9123. For me, so-so but keep in mind, I didn't play much with it until now. Missions seem to be slower. Injury seems to hinder you less. Shooting is less RNG but how to say it... XCOM2 has an Arcade-like feeling to me where ridiculous people go out and kill aliens. This one lacks that Arcade-like feeling to me. It's harder for this game to play with my emotions. In XCOM I was hyper happy, hyper angry etc while here I was frequently just bored. Minor thing but character customization is much worse because here everone is realistically having helmets all the time. DON1t get me wrong, maybe it gets better later on but at the beginning I mostly felt boredom with a bit of anxiety because I have no idea what to focus on etc so I'm pretty sure I have already f.cked up my gameplay and I just don't know what to do, what to build etc. Much deeper tutorial might have been needed.
@@theclone9123. One more thing, maybe it helps. For me, XCOM2 creates the hype for itself. I wanna meet the factions and chosens in the DLC, I wanna find out what is happening here, cinematic cuts make things interesting. PP is the more complex game as far as I know (I'm no expert) but doesn't sell itself. Prepare for some Witcher-like background with some texts which someone reads instead of the cutscenes. I'd say that if you go for complexity and you can build up the hype just by yourself without relying on awesome videos, graphics etc from the game part, PP might be fun for you
@@akoskovacs6830 ohh I installed it today so I'm gonna play it in an bit I really like xcom 2 and people were saying this is better so I wanted to try it And as for customization? That sucks I was coming in with the intent to make my XCOM Soldiers
@@theclone9123. The base logic is that shooting is more realistic. So if your soldiers don't wear helmet, enemy will target that part and your soldiers will die more easily. Better XCOM might be an overstatement. But a more complex one if you are willing to create the mood and the vibe by yourself... Have fun!
the sound the animation are all inferior compare to xcom 2 the building in PP is a pure laziness well i guess PP is cheaper i just hope if there`s PP 2 everything will be better
There was a game like "Syndicate" from Bullfrog.. playing "Phoeinix Point" sometimes I had the impression that this is what a remaster of "Syndicate" could look like.
I haven't played Phoenix Point but I did beat Gears Tactics and all the recent XCOM games. Gears Tactics is a simpler game and IMO you don't end up playing into a deadend e.g. researching the wrong things or in the wrong order in XCOM. So, I would say Gears Tactics is better suited for a 'filthy casual' :).
Hard question. I guess the dlc will rather shake things up a bit. There's so much content in the game... I'd say it doesn't matter whether you start now or later.
The only part of the game that I'm not liking the sound of is the race against the clock. I want to be able to spend time exploring, and having a fixed time limit, get this done in 10 minutes or lose, is never fun to me.
@@WatchMysh Cool, might have to give the game a try then. Modding is hands down the best thing that's happened to gaming, hopefully it's workshop enabled that makes everything so easy.
There major bug in game If you see enemy dry shooting then exit and reset computer Otherwise you can't win missions 2nd I try run 2 of each class and add class if I have it 3rd try not to story mission until you ready Only do ones that I do is timed ones
Great review, thanks man! I managed to snag the year one edition for $3 so I'll consider that a win! I'm looking to scratch that X-Com itch, and Chimera Squad DEFINITELY didn't cut it.
yeah i like this game alot now.. but the past 20h have been a pain learning stuff and still am even if i really tire of some stuff already. and even now there are somethings i don't like.. like the rapid timeline but most of all its constant manual trading you need to do to get to build or expand or to do more trading. honestly if there was a way of earning recources as good as trading i would probably stick with this game more they way i used to with Xcom(2) AKA, keep playing it over and over even after beating it.
This game lacks the flair XCOM had. There's no weapon switching animations. Sounds are also generally bad in comparison. 5:04 Only early game is fun as but as soon as you are controlling 2 bases and multiple squads it becomes a chore. This game has a lot of things you can do but the problem is their emphasis on quantity over quality where most of what you can do is shite. Soldier progression is also lackluster without many interesting perks you can take. Vehicles are great but you can't customize their loadout. Removal of RNG from gunplay is also a nice step up from traditional turn based but introduces it's own problems like shooting into your own cover like an idiot. I had hoped with updates they would add better animations and sounds because the world just feels dead.
Bruh your spot on for me it has more but it’s quality is lacking a whole lot .Some UA-camrs say the characters don’t miss I have a heavy misses all the time grenades suck snipers not elite or can’t become elite. The handgun Terrible all the animations suck period. It’s not better I want to give the game more time because PP takes to long ,some missions are just dumb. You land on the planet to save this girl that was so dumb ,you end up having to survive just a hop on her plane or aircraft I mean wtf .
despite all your complaints (some of which are certainly valid) this is still a better game than Xcom. Xcom is just doesnt have the same level of choice and tactical depth in the fights and I just find that oversimplicity to not engage my brain sufficiently. ITs just too shallow, its style over substance.
Well TBH that chore factor is the main reason I haven’t played an Xcom like game to the end. The latest XCOM like game I tried was rebel cops and I stopped playing on that one huge map where the round based combat seemed more like a hindrance than a help to make tactical decisions in fast paced situations. The combat in Battlestar Galactica Deadlock or Into the breach always felt fun as the round based nature helped gameplay instead of unnecessarily slowing down gameplay…
In havens? Which type exactly? I only know defend haven missions and supply raids. The latter need you to collect containers. Never encountered them otherwise. Maybe a bug in the current patch?
@@WatchMysh no it's not a bug. I just travel from haven to haven, and when I click 'raid' the only type of mission is essentially stealing items from containers, which is tedious. Also maps do not vary too much from haven to haven, regardless of the biome. For example, a food district would look the same in a desert and rainforest.
@@WatchMysh then what do you do? I travel from loc to loc on the overland map, 90% of them are havens, 90% of missions in havens are these pilfering operations. Don't you find combat zones very repetitive? I see very little variations
@@alexter-sarkisov8321 I protect the havens, follow the main storyline, do secondary missions the havens give to me, I activate bases and purge nests in their vicinity, I salvage equipment and vehicles from scavenging missions ... and so on. I didn't run out on things to do a single time. The game also advances so fast you have to adapt all the time to evolving enemies.
i backed this on the kickstarter campaign.. on release they then desided to lock it behind epic game store.. i was so furious.. 1 year i waited..and it kinda fizzled out.. i loved the xcom games. old as new. but felt this was of in someway. maybe i need to try it again.. good points tho.
Most bad things still bring sth good: Phoenix Point was okay-ish at release. Nothing special. You skipped the crappy phase. Nowadays it's a whole other much better game.
@@WatchMysh im also not a big fan of time contraints. how is the "end world" timer affecting you game? in original xcom it was if you where not good enough to deal with the invasion that could end you game. but if there is like a dead line. this gona stress me.
@@olebrommm can't argue with that. I was stressed out too but then started to like it. It forces you into those hard decisions. But you can mod it out if I remember correctly.
If you backed the kickstarter you probably can get the whole game on steam now. Contact their customer support, I got my steam key that way. All DLC is included as well.
@@olebrommm Na normalnym poziomie trudności w zasadzie masz jak w x-com 1 i 2 oryginalnym. Jak naprawdę nie ogarniasz to może przegrasz. Ale tak to ten zegar śmierci jest tylko po to żebyś psychologicznie sam siebie napędzał. Ja grałem przejęty tym zegarem a skończyłem grę jak chyba był on na 80% i dopiero pod koniec gry skumałem że to zabieg psychologiczny. Ważne abyś posłuchał jednej zasady. Grę nalezy przejśc 3 razy. 1 podstawa one year ediction plus DLCs hroemand blued and legacy of the ancient. 2 przejście all DLSs. 3 Przejście mod terror from the void - bardzo mocno zmienia grę (pozytywnie) i jest ona trudniejsza od podstawowej wersji z all dlc. W taki sposób jak opisałem odkrywsz gier za każdym razem trochę na nowo ale nie czujesz się przytłoczony nową zawartościa a raczej zaciekawiony co to tam wymyślili twórcy. Polecam giere no i można ja w promocji z all DLC kupić za śmieszny pieniądz. pozdrawiam
@@WatchMysh Ja genau das! Ich war der Ansicht, dass das genau in deine Niche fällt. Habe deinen Kanal für mich entdeckt weil du auch videos über Empyrion gemacht hast ^^. Starbase ist weit weg von fertig aber man kann dort sehr kreativ sein mit Schiffe bauen und es gibt dort eine eigene Programmiersprache mit der man vieles steuern kann und seine Programme ingame verkaufen kann gegen spielcredits natürlich. Starbase versucht in meinen Augen die Vision von Empyrion ein Stück zu erweitern. Wow das liest sich wie ein Steam-Review...
@@deheinrich4785 lol, ja tatsächlich @ Steam Review. Hmm, dann schaue ich mir das mal an. Empyrion hat sich meines Erachtens in eine Sackgasse manövriert. Hab es lange nicht mehr gespielt daher. Bist du noch dabei?
its been a year since this review and i wanted to know if they fixed any of your issues with the game because i dont want to have to constantly run around the map destroying bases or doing missions 24/7
@@cosmiccosmonaut820 But they enabled mods in the meantime. Guess you'll find everything you need there. Like for example the deactivation of the "doomsday clock"
Teraz gra jest zbalansowana. Jest bardzo dobry mod void coś tam 1.0. Natomiast ja polecam grę przejśc 3 razy. Na początek podstawa plus hrome and blood, leagacy of the ansient. Za drugim ropiejące niebo, silnik chaosu (ze wszystkimi DLC). Za trzecim razem all dlc plus mod terror of the voin (terror naprawia i poprawia wiele elmentów z podstawowej wersji Phoenix point ale zarazem jaest trudniejszy od podstawki) Wtedy na spokojnie ogarniesz różne mechaniki i będzie Ci się grało fajnie. Polecam.
everything would be superb about this game if the main characters were fighting not against some wierd brainy looking alians but against other people... Wild West, or US Civil War based, or even I world War based version would be perfect for this... o man.. why the best tactical games are always about after nuclear destruction world? i do not get it? Are developers so limited in their imagination?
Looks like a very complicated game. And the late game depends very much on the right/wrong decisions that you have made in the early stage. Not my cup of tea. It is much better for a game to allow you to correct/redeem the mistakes that you have made previously. In our real world, most of us will have some kind of second chances. I hope games like this can give players second chances too, instead of having to do everything all over again from the very beginning.
@@regulusstarseed1368 lol yeah and all these kids gloat about how good they are at games when all they do is watch UA-cam guides and walkthroughs. I only ever watch reviews its too easy to burn through a game if someone else tells you what to do.
Xcom will always be king ,PP animations suck boring atmosphere just seems lacking flash. Missions are really dumb at times, like living on a planet to save this girl already in a aircraft and you’re fighting to survive ,when you should’ve just picked her up what the hell. They didn’t think that one through she should’ve been in your group at the start of this you help me fight to get to the aircraft . Or can you control her to stay alive until you get to her and then evacuate. Oh and they miss a lot i here that comment over and over. Sorry bruh PP is ok not better then XCOM
Good review. Flawed masterpiece is so true. I can’t stop thinking about it and playing, it’s so close to being perfect.
Thanks :) How's the latest DLC? Didn't play it, yet.
Thanks!
The biggest mistakes this game had were
Releasing on the epic store killing any chance of getting a community
Not having modding support
The smartest thing firaxis did was support modding in xcom 2 game’s like the fallout 4 of turn based tactics games, purely held up by the work of the community. Phoenix point could of benefited greatly from having a dedicated modding community.
100% yes
But it's on Steam now, too. Or not? I never checked whether it has workshop support or not.
@@WatchMysh that really doesn’t matter now
The game barely has any exposure or community.
The most attention this game got was negative all the way back when they took the epic deal stabbing their kickstarter backers in the back and the game launching as a buggy unbalanced mess.
As for the behemoth console edition I don’t see the community getting much larger, how many console players actually play tactical turn based strategy especially one with no advertising.
@@SneedRemembrancer that's quite sad because PP is a good game nowadays. Yes... I remember the outrage as the Epic deal was announced. I myself didn't have a problem with that but I can understand if someone has.
if the game has no mods, is there any way to at least slow down, if not stop, the "doomclock"?
iam playing it right now and it is awesome... this goes to the story too
It absolutely is. Have fun! Did you get the latest dlc?
@@WatchMysh full package
Me too. Games is very good!
One of the best games ever made. In my top10 all time. The biggest flaw is the repetition in nest/lair/citadel missions.
Yes... these mission types direly need some variety
I just wish my radars would find more of them lol.
Anyone else find the lack of customisation a problem??, I mean, coming from xcom 2 I could give every soldier there own unique look, can't really do that in phoenix point... I'd say that was it's biggest flaw for me, other than that, I love the game.
repeated mission, and EQ managment is a pain. There should be filters implemented, looking for certain pistol and ammo is a pain with buch of stuff thrown in your EQ
I backed this on kickstarter and played this game often. I really want to love it, but… there is just something. I don’t know what it is. It’s better than xcom. One of the best turn based games I played, but… It feels soulless.
Late game Phoenix point literally feels like you're drowning, I love that about it because there's so much to do, but I recommend you trade a lot.
Yep :)
Idk in my opinion late game Phoenix Point feels like a game of whack-a-mole.
This game needs Collector abduction and Reaper invasion events on top of all other events :)
And four old souls to gather
I'm a Bronze tier backer of Phoenix Point. My name (Setokaiva) is in the credits. After playing the game since its release, and most recently trying out the new Terror From the Void mod's 1.0 version, I'm convinced that the game's biggest shortcoming -- the fact that there's so much going on at once -- is actually the point. It's a feature, not a bug. You're supposed to feel like you're drowning. You're NOT supposed to be able to take on every mission. Resources are meant to be scarce, skilled soldiers are precious, your soldiers get tired, and your ammo runs dry. If you're taking on everyone everywhere and just wiping the floor with the enemy, you need to turn up the difficulty. It's a similar story with XCOM. Stomping every fight isn't fun. Fighting impossible odds and earning your win is the point to Phoenix Point-pun fully intended.
Looks like I didn't miss that much on Phoenix Point. Kinda lost interest when they initially announced Linux support but dropped that early again and so I didn't keep taps. Ah well. What I am really enjoying recently is the latest iteration of ChaosGate tho🤓
Chaos Gate is amazing!
Love the game. It is very cool!
Its a good game but its definitely not better than xcom
Ive played the demo version but not really into it yet and went back to play xcom 2 wotc again. Probably ill give a try again in future.
My advice for more difficult aerial pandorans, use Synderion's incendiary missiles. Then follow it up with a second aircraft to finish the job
Sounds pretty good, especially since Xenonauts 2 is looking more like Xenonauts 1.2.
Is there even a release date, yet? I loved the first one.
Hello from 2024. Do yourself a favor and play PP with the Terror from the Void mod. Easy to install, fun as hell to play
@@Ogredrive interesting. What does the mod do if I may ask? :)
@@WatchMysh for my time it gives me hella new difficulty settings, but in general it changes how the enemies evolve/events work/faction diplomacy/dlc balancing/and oodles and oodles more. The parts of vanilla PP that made me wince are generally addressed and the parts of vanilla PP that I didn’t even know I wanted are now in. It’s as close to a total conversion mod as I would wager to say. Very comparable to the Long War for XCOM2
@@Ogredrive That's really cool. I'll check it out! Thanks!
Biggest issue i have is the fighters have only 2 hard points
Just fought jerico fighter with 5
2 is you carry tank you only have 4 slots left
3 resoures like tech is scace add buildings like for food
4 small field of play
Xcom2 clock isnt sync with game so dont play it
Get 3/4 the way done before i have major fighting
Nice review!
Thanks :)
Well Ben&Jerry's sucks, so....
No steroids at all... it is just very young man who can copy...
It doesn gives feeling of your HQ 01:53... it is just photos but the your HQ :)
Immersion do they hear about that ?
x-com is 100% better then Phoenix point, Even though it was made like 10 years before phoenix point and has the same creative lead. This video sounds like an add for a cash grab game.
oddly enought I sometimes replay Phoenix Point when Xcom 2.. well I tried but after 1-st run it's boring to play it again
What kills me the most in these types of games, is the plethora of rich lore where you see all these creatures/races/factions and you're stuck with only being to play one. Then on top of that the other thing that always knocked my enjoyement mostly out was the ticking bomb gameplay where you have to rush through everything.
Strategy is good and all, but I'm one of those that likes to take their time to get ready for the big final. If I feel rushed into it it kind of makes me stop and look for something else. It just kills me how much I love the lore of these game but can never get to finish any of them because of gameplay.
The customization on this game looks awesome.
There's a mod to deactivate the timer :)
@@WatchMysh oh my then that sounds lovely XD
To już wiadomo od jakiegoś czasu że na normalnym poziomie zegar śmierci jest tylko pozorny. Bardzo trzeba się postarać aby przegrać na tym poziomie trudności. To jest taki efekt psychologiczny :)
This dev that approached epic for exclusive deal? Nah, it remains forever on my blacklist
About the OP build.
Devs knows about them but lets them in, in part for new player who discover them and use them and for those not so sabby in tactics, game can be quite long and dificult in late game.
I think if they let me prolong the campaign as how i cheese the avatar project in WOTC actually hook me for so long
Nice video and quick to the point, thanks for the info! Was thinking of playing XCOM EW Long War again to scratch the itch but am going to try PP's with the new Overhaul mod instead, hopefully I enjoy it.
Overhaul mod? Tell me more :) I'm just trying out Warhammer Mechanicus.
huh, never heard of this. And my main beef with the new it was too unsimilar to Xcom - UFO Defense, and the 2nd game even more so. might have to check it out.
I finished the game and it was nice. My biggest problem was a race against the clock. I want xcom-like game where i can take my time in campaign. Also i didnt like factions, they felt flat to me. This game was a one timer for me, interesting concepts but no likable enough to play multiple times.
Very interesting to hear a more positive opinion of this game, it sounds like in many ways it's exactly what I wanted- It sticks a middle finger at a lot of the conventions of modern XCOM for a more serious, sober, desperate experience without relying so heavily on dice rolls. The sheer vitriol towards it early on always kept me away.
X4 is a tough one. Beneath the not-so-good UI and often janky AI lies a great simulation. If you're okay to work around these issues you'll find a true gem in my opinion. But I can fully understand if people have different opinions on the X series. It's not very polished, stubborn and eats up a lot of time.
The upset was more about what wasn't in the game and development rather than what was in the game.
I don't recommend you do as it's just a rabbit hole of upset backers and it gains you nothing at this point but you can fairly easily look up what people were mad about.
It sad.. .this game cam 2ß Years to late :D. I would have loved to play this in my 20 or even 30 haha.. but today, i need a game where i can set the pace. How fast it goes, how it evolves and...how much i have to do mostly. Cause i got more and more in live with micro managment as older i got. lol. :D
There's a mod to deactivate the doom clock :)
@@WatchMysh well... then... :D No sry but it looks too much like a crossover between X and Xcom :D. I may rake a look at it once i ran out of patience with the actual games i play but. I would not count on it haha
That's too bad. I play XCOM2 WOTC on console and love that extended clock so I can do what I want, but this sounds like a deal breaker to me. Why have all this stuff if you don't have enough time to even get near it? I was really interested in more XCOM like games for PS4, but it doesn't seem like this one is it with that clock problem.
You can mod it out on PC. For me the doom clock enhances the gameplay. But I get why others feel differently.
games trash in my opinion im not interested playing these sort of games that force you to finish the game when they want you to a max level character can die from the weakest enemy in one shot so idiotic am not a fan waste of time
The only game of this genre I didnt beat as it bored me to tears. Very generic and uninspired.
Ich habe Phoenix Point zum Steam Release mit allen zu dem Zeitpunkt erhältlichen DLCs angefangen zu spielen.
So richtig konnte ich mich nicht damit anfreunden, womit das auch zu den wenigen Rundenstrategie Titeln gehört, die ich nie zu Ende spielte.
Ich weiß nicht ob ich in den ersten 11 Spielstunden irgendwas massiv übersehen hatte, aber das Progressionsystem hat mir gar nicht zugesagt. Richtige Upgrades gab es nicht, fast nur Sidegrades die man theoretisch an die Entwicklung der Gegner anpasst. Während man selbst aber nicht wirklich mehr Wumms hatte, musste man fortlaufend härtere und vor allem eine Vielzahl an Situationen handeln. Eben das was du auch erwähntest das es irgendwann einfach nur noch lästig wird.
Was mir aber am ehesten in Erinnerung geblieben ist, dass was mich die ersten zwei Stunden extrem irritierte, ohne das ich sagen konnte was genau es ist das mich irritierte. Bis mir dann auffiel das es keine Musik gab und auch die Geräuschkulisse im Hintergrund war bestenfalls, wenn überhaupt vorhanden, angedeutet.
War doch etwas sehr enttäuscht, was aber auch daran gelegen haben kann, dass ich hohe Erwartungen hatte und mich lange Zeit auf das Spiel freute.
Sind aber auch lediglich die Probleme die ich damit hatte. Freut mich wenn das Spiel bei Anderen doch so gut ankommt.
Mir fällt gerade ein: in den ersten 10h ist es wichtig sehr schnell die Waffenforschung voran zu treiben. Man muss den Pandorans immer einen Schritt voraus sein, sonst passt man sich eben immer nur an. Daher ist im Grunde jede genutzte ingame-Stunde relevant. Min-maxing ist extrem wichtig in PP.
No.
Installing it right now. I'm very curious because XCOM2 was rage-inducing but awesome and this game seems to offer an alternative to RNG shooting. I don't mind strategic depths, my issue was the luck factor. XCOM2, even if I love it, kinda feels like as if Hearthstone devs invented chess.
Is it good?
@@theclone9123. For me, so-so but keep in mind, I didn't play much with it until now. Missions seem to be slower. Injury seems to hinder you less. Shooting is less RNG but how to say it... XCOM2 has an Arcade-like feeling to me where ridiculous people go out and kill aliens. This one lacks that Arcade-like feeling to me. It's harder for this game to play with my emotions. In XCOM I was hyper happy, hyper angry etc while here I was frequently just bored.
Minor thing but character customization is much worse because here everone is realistically having helmets all the time.
DON1t get me wrong, maybe it gets better later on but at the beginning I mostly felt boredom with a bit of anxiety because I have no idea what to focus on etc so I'm pretty sure I have already f.cked up my gameplay and I just don't know what to do, what to build etc. Much deeper tutorial might have been needed.
@@theclone9123. One more thing, maybe it helps. For me, XCOM2 creates the hype for itself. I wanna meet the factions and chosens in the DLC, I wanna find out what is happening here, cinematic cuts make things interesting. PP is the more complex game as far as I know (I'm no expert) but doesn't sell itself. Prepare for some Witcher-like background with some texts which someone reads instead of the cutscenes. I'd say that if you go for complexity and you can build up the hype just by yourself without relying on awesome videos, graphics etc from the game part, PP might be fun for you
@@akoskovacs6830 ohh I installed it today so I'm gonna play it in an bit I really like xcom 2 and people were saying this is better so I wanted to try it
And as for customization? That sucks I was coming in with the intent to make my XCOM Soldiers
@@theclone9123. The base logic is that shooting is more realistic. So if your soldiers don't wear helmet, enemy will target that part and your soldiers will die more easily. Better XCOM might be an overstatement. But a more complex one if you are willing to create the mood and the vibe by yourself... Have fun!
the sound the animation are all inferior compare to xcom 2
the building in PP is a pure laziness
well i guess PP is cheaper
i just hope if there`s PP 2
everything will be better
This game needs auto resolve for some battles. And it needs a much slower progression.
There was a game like "Syndicate" from Bullfrog.. playing "Phoeinix Point" sometimes I had the impression that this is what a remaster of "Syndicate" could look like.
Syndicate was amazing
finally wellcome back
I am deciding between this game or gears tactics. I am some what filthy casual though.
Why not both? :)
@@WatchMysh HAhaah true. To much vidya games!.
I haven't played Phoenix Point but I did beat Gears Tactics and all the recent XCOM games. Gears Tactics is a simpler game and IMO you don't end up playing into a deadend e.g. researching the wrong things or in the wrong order in XCOM. So, I would say Gears Tactics is better suited for a 'filthy casual' :).
Waiting for all dlc to release and rebalancing, last dlc is march22 - worth a start or balancing still outstanding?
Hard question. I guess the dlc will rather shake things up a bit. There's so much content in the game... I'd say it doesn't matter whether you start now or later.
The only part of the game that I'm not liking the sound of is the race against the clock. I want to be able to spend time exploring, and having a fixed time limit, get this done in 10 minutes or lose, is never fun to me.
There are mods to remove the time limit :)
@@WatchMysh Cool, might have to give the game a try then. Modding is hands down the best thing that's happened to gaming, hopefully it's workshop enabled that makes everything so easy.
@@dh8203 99% sure it has Workshop by now
There major bug in game
If you see enemy dry shooting then exit and reset computer
Otherwise you can't win missions
2nd I try run 2 of each class and add class if I have it
3rd try not to story mission until you ready
Only do ones that I do is timed ones
You're back
Great review, thanks man! I managed to snag the year one edition for $3 so I'll consider that a win! I'm looking to scratch that X-Com itch, and Chimera Squad DEFINITELY didn't cut it.
Thanks! Hf! :) 3$ is a steal and more than worth it.
Sounds like everything I would like. With the exception of working against the clock. That is a killer for me. Too bad.
yeah i like this game alot now.. but the past 20h have been a pain learning stuff and still am even if i really tire of some stuff already. and even now there are somethings i don't like.. like the rapid timeline but most of all its constant manual trading you need to do to get to build or expand or to do more trading.
honestly if there was a way of earning recources as good as trading i would probably stick with this game more they way i used to with Xcom(2) AKA, keep playing it over and over even after beating it.
This game lacks the flair XCOM had. There's no weapon switching animations. Sounds are also generally bad in comparison. 5:04 Only early game is fun as but as soon as you are controlling 2 bases and multiple squads it becomes a chore. This game has a lot of things you can do but the problem is their emphasis on quantity over quality where most of what you can do is shite. Soldier progression is also lackluster without many interesting perks you can take. Vehicles are great but you can't customize their loadout. Removal of RNG from gunplay is also a nice step up from traditional turn based but introduces it's own problems like shooting into your own cover like an idiot. I had hoped with updates they would add better animations and sounds because the world just feels dead.
Which Xcom?
@@WatchMysh XCOM-2 WOTC
Bruh your spot on for me it has more but it’s quality is lacking a whole lot .Some UA-camrs say the characters don’t miss I have a heavy misses all the time grenades suck snipers not elite or can’t become elite. The handgun Terrible all the animations suck period. It’s not better I want to give the game more time because PP takes to long ,some missions are just dumb. You land on the planet to save this girl that was so dumb ,you end up having to survive just a hop on her plane or aircraft I mean wtf .
despite all your complaints (some of which are certainly valid) this is still a better game than Xcom. Xcom is just doesnt have the same level of choice and tactical depth in the fights and I just find that oversimplicity to not engage my brain sufficiently. ITs just too shallow, its style over substance.
Currently An Xcom Player But Phoneix point is on Gamepass so I'm gonna try it
hf! :)
@@WatchMysh :)
@@WatchMysh will do:)
Well TBH that chore factor is the main reason I haven’t played an Xcom like game to the end.
The latest XCOM like game I tried was rebel cops and I stopped playing on that one huge map where the round based combat seemed more like a hindrance than a help to make tactical decisions in fast paced situations.
The combat in Battlestar Galactica Deadlock or Into the breach always felt fun as the round based nature helped gameplay instead of unnecessarily slowing down gameplay…
No.
I noticed that nearly 100% of missions in havens are to recover items from containers spread across the map
In havens? Which type exactly? I only know defend haven missions and supply raids. The latter need you to collect containers. Never encountered them otherwise. Maybe a bug in the current patch?
@@WatchMysh no it's not a bug. I just travel from haven to haven, and when I click 'raid' the only type of mission is essentially stealing items from containers, which is tedious. Also maps do not vary too much from haven to haven, regardless of the biome. For example, a food district would look the same in a desert and rainforest.
@@alexter-sarkisov8321 oooh you mean the haven raids. I never did them.
@@WatchMysh then what do you do? I travel from loc to loc on the overland map, 90% of them are havens, 90% of missions in havens are these pilfering operations. Don't you find combat zones very repetitive? I see very little variations
@@alexter-sarkisov8321 I protect the havens, follow the main storyline, do secondary missions the havens give to me, I activate bases and purge nests in their vicinity, I salvage equipment and vehicles from scavenging missions ... and so on. I didn't run out on things to do a single time. The game also advances so fast you have to adapt all the time to evolving enemies.
i backed this on the kickstarter campaign.. on release they then desided to lock it behind epic game store.. i was so furious.. 1 year i waited..and it kinda fizzled out.. i loved the xcom games. old as new. but felt this was of in someway. maybe i need to try it again.. good points tho.
Most bad things still bring sth good: Phoenix Point was okay-ish at release. Nothing special. You skipped the crappy phase. Nowadays it's a whole other much better game.
@@WatchMysh im also not a big fan of time contraints. how is the "end world" timer affecting you game? in original xcom it was if you where not good enough to deal with the invasion that could end you game. but if there is like a dead line. this gona stress me.
@@olebrommm can't argue with that. I was stressed out too but then started to like it. It forces you into those hard decisions. But you can mod it out if I remember correctly.
If you backed the kickstarter you probably can get the whole game on steam now. Contact their customer support, I got my steam key that way. All DLC is included as well.
@@olebrommm Na normalnym poziomie trudności w zasadzie masz jak w x-com 1 i 2 oryginalnym. Jak naprawdę nie ogarniasz to może przegrasz. Ale tak to ten zegar śmierci jest tylko po to żebyś psychologicznie sam siebie napędzał. Ja grałem przejęty tym zegarem a skończyłem grę jak chyba był on na 80% i dopiero pod koniec gry skumałem że to zabieg psychologiczny. Ważne abyś posłuchał jednej zasady. Grę nalezy przejśc 3 razy. 1 podstawa one year ediction plus DLCs hroemand blued and legacy of the ancient. 2 przejście all DLSs. 3 Przejście mod terror from the void - bardzo mocno zmienia grę (pozytywnie) i jest ona trudniejsza od podstawowej wersji z all dlc. W taki sposób jak opisałem odkrywsz gier za każdym razem trochę na nowo ale nie czujesz się przytłoczony nową zawartościa a raczej zaciekawiony co to tam wymyślili twórcy. Polecam giere no i można ja w promocji z all DLC kupić za śmieszny pieniądz. pozdrawiam
Not into the time limit gimmik. Probably will pass even though its been sitting in my library for awhile
I guess you can mod it out easily somehow. The game has Steam Workshop support now.
endlich ein neues Video. Hast du dir schonmal überlegt ein Video über Starbase raus zu bringen?
Allerdings. Ich war ne ganze Weile ziemlich beschäftigt. :( Meinst du das MMOG Starbase? Damit hab ich mich noch gar nicht beschäftigt. Kann das was?
@@WatchMysh Ja genau das! Ich war der Ansicht, dass das genau in deine Niche fällt. Habe deinen Kanal für mich entdeckt weil du auch videos über Empyrion gemacht hast ^^. Starbase ist weit weg von fertig aber man kann dort sehr kreativ sein mit Schiffe bauen und es gibt dort eine eigene Programmiersprache mit der man vieles steuern kann und seine Programme ingame verkaufen kann gegen spielcredits natürlich.
Starbase versucht in meinen Augen die Vision von Empyrion ein Stück zu erweitern. Wow das liest sich wie ein Steam-Review...
@@deheinrich4785 lol, ja tatsächlich @ Steam Review. Hmm, dann schaue ich mir das mal an. Empyrion hat sich meines Erachtens in eine Sackgasse manövriert. Hab es lange nicht mehr gespielt daher. Bist du noch dabei?
Whoa, I missed this one.
Thanks
🎉
its been a year since this review and i wanted to know if they fixed any of your issues with the game because i dont want to have to constantly run around the map destroying bases or doing missions 24/7
I don't know - didn't play it since the review because other games and real life™ demanded attention
@@WatchMysh alrighty
@@cosmiccosmonaut820 But they enabled mods in the meantime. Guess you'll find everything you need there. Like for example the deactivation of the "doomsday clock"
Teraz gra jest zbalansowana. Jest bardzo dobry mod void coś tam 1.0. Natomiast ja polecam grę przejśc 3 razy. Na początek podstawa plus hrome and blood, leagacy of the ansient. Za drugim ropiejące niebo, silnik chaosu (ze wszystkimi DLC). Za trzecim razem all dlc plus mod terror of the voin (terror naprawia i poprawia wiele elmentów z podstawowej wersji Phoenix point ale zarazem jaest trudniejszy od podstawki) Wtedy na spokojnie ogarniesz różne mechaniki i będzie Ci się grało fajnie. Polecam.
everything would be superb about this game if the main characters were fighting not against some wierd brainy looking alians but against other people... Wild West, or US Civil War based, or even I world War based version would be perfect for this... o man.. why the best tactical games are always about after nuclear destruction world? i do not get it? Are developers so limited in their imagination?
Valkyria Chronicles oft compared to Xcom genre is based on WWII.. I wish they'd make a prequel based on WWI..
Looks like a very complicated game. And the late game depends very much on the right/wrong decisions that you have made in the early stage. Not my cup of tea. It is much better for a game to allow you to correct/redeem the mistakes that you have made previously. In our real world, most of us will have some kind of second chances. I hope games like this can give players second chances too, instead of having to do everything all over again from the very beginning.
No
It doesn’t have to be like that, just learn from your mistakes and have fun
Get filtered
I hate how games are dumbed down now so everyone can win
@@regulusstarseed1368 lol yeah and all these kids gloat about how good they are at games when all they do is watch UA-cam guides and walkthroughs. I only ever watch reviews its too easy to burn through a game if someone else tells you what to do.
Xcom will always be king ,PP animations suck boring atmosphere just seems lacking flash. Missions are really dumb at times, like living on a planet to save this girl already in a aircraft and you’re fighting to survive ,when you should’ve just picked her up what the hell. They didn’t think that one through she should’ve been in your group at the start of this you help me fight to get to the aircraft . Or can you control her to stay alive until you get to her and then evacuate. Oh and they miss a lot i here that comment over and over. Sorry bruh PP is ok not better then XCOM
Didn't say that. It's different though and I personally like it better because it's closer to the original Xcom releases from the 90s.
Dumbest comment I've seen so far..