'86 Kramer Pacer Imperial (plus a mini-collectors guide!)

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  • Опубліковано 29 вер 2024

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  • @hemingwaynro
    @hemingwaynro 3 роки тому +10

    Your channel deserves more love --- you always provide really detailed and interesting info. Thanks for this.

    • @totallyradguitars959
      @totallyradguitars959  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for the kind words! I'm just happy anyone watches at all. Gives me an excuse to keep collecting!

  • @bobhoose2331
    @bobhoose2331 2 роки тому

    My Kramer Pacer Deluxe serial number is F1119. That falls in your number range of being 'suspect'. What do you mean by 'suspect '???

    • @totallyradguitars959
      @totallyradguitars959  2 роки тому

      Hey, yeah so the story goes that the silver plates from about F1000 to F4000 ended up in a forgotten box somewhere and weren't used on production guitars. Where the exact cut offs though are I'm not sure, that's why I said suspect.
      When Kramer went out of business in April 1990, they sold off everything they had at the warehouse including those boxes of plates. Vaccaro bought a number of them and used them on his line of guitars from the mid-90s, if you've ever seen a Vaccaro Pacer with a Wilkinson trem on it, it most likely had a plate like F2xxx (there was one on reverb just recently if you look for it).
      So what happens is, as people assemble and disassemble these guitars over the years, swapping around necks and parts etc, those silver F plates get used on "mutts." These guitars aren't factory original, but if done correctly, can have all of the right parts as if it came from the factory, so it looks and plays just like a production model, but technically isn't. I don't think this is going to bother any collectors or anything, as long as it is a real Pacer body and neck from the right era, but it's worth being aware of.
      I have several like this on my website, if you look at the Kramer section the guitars from F0960-F2397 are all "mutts" that were assembled after the fire sale, some by others and some by me, using factory original parts. The next true "factory original" one I have is a black Baretta F4821.

  • @jboyxl73
    @jboyxl73 3 роки тому +6

    Great video very informative , my first guitar I ever bought with my own money back in 1987 was a Japanese Kramer focus 6000 ... then I bought a pacer II custom after that I moved to the Ibanez Rg as they became the top brand after Kramer by the end of the 80’s ....

  • @roosternm6830
    @roosternm6830 5 місяців тому +2

    I remember those well. Solid guitar too. Could play anything on it. I wish Kramer would add some more 80s models in their current line

  • @jessehutchings
    @jessehutchings 3 роки тому +5

    Thanks for all the Kramer info. I'm seriously thinking about getting one of the new Pacer Vintage guitars in the pearl white especially bc I love their body shape and seem like a perfect choice for 80s style high gain

  • @philipbeasley72
    @philipbeasley72 Рік тому +2

    Wow!-

  • @RRoy83
    @RRoy83 2 роки тому +2

    I have a pretty "rare" desirable and sought after Kramer Ive been chasing for 11 years and finally landed one last week. 1986 Kramer Liberty (not to be confused with the Kiln "liberty" painted Baretta. Its a pretty amazing piece. Also have had a few Proaxes, Stagemasters and Swans. Starting to get my collection pointed back at 80s shred guitars again after doing the whole "modern" thing the last 10 years now (ie. Suhrs,Andersons etc. Ive been though around 130 guitars the last few years) Next on my list, for Kramers, is an 83/84 Non Tilt Baretta but those are hitting ALOT higher than I paid for the Liberty and I laid down some serious cash for that

    • @totallyradguitars959
      @totallyradguitars959  2 роки тому

      Wow very nice! I remember lusting after the Liberty for a while too, but could never afford one at the time, and now they seem far more difficult to find. Congrats on getting one!
      I have a non-tilt Pacer Deluxe that is comparable to those Barettas, but it's not quite the same neck. It's definitely a great one to grab for any collection but I find the earlier beaks or the much later pointies to be better players on average than some of the in-between stuff. Really depends on the guitar - Kramers seem very inconsistent (but then again, they've had 30+ years of abuse too so it depends a lot on the previous owners).
      I have a couple of Stagemasters as well - truly beautiful instruments. I'd still like to have a Tom Anderson but I'm mostly looking at older early 90s ones rather than the new stuff - not that the new stuff is bad, just not really my thing. Cheers!

  • @ryanbenbow-zx2sd
    @ryanbenbow-zx2sd Рік тому +1

    One bad guitar. Compared to the breta😅

  • @jeppejac
    @jeppejac 3 роки тому +2

    Thanks for the recapture. There were a couple of things I wasn't aware of. Keep up the great work.

  • @gergokocsis5240
    @gergokocsis5240 Рік тому +1

    Hey! Awesome content! :)
    You mentioned that you bought some Ibanez guitars. Did you make those videos at the end?

    • @totallyradguitars959
      @totallyradguitars959  Рік тому

      Hey! I never quite got around to it. There’s pictures of them on my website but I still need to write a little blurb about each of them. Super cool guitars, my favorites are the 540R’s

  • @lesbois53
    @lesbois53 3 місяці тому +1

    I got on in flip flop blue/red. Bought it in 1986. Still rocking with it live. Built like a tank!

  • @kennybryant7199
    @kennybryant7199 Рік тому +1

    Hold on to them kramers All the big names in Metal in the 80s all played or owned a Kramer I got 23 left and love all mine got Jackson and Gibson but I love me Kramers they raise Hell ☆♤

    • @totallyradguitars959
      @totallyradguitars959  Рік тому

      Rock on, I love mine too. Might have to let a few go eventually but I am up to about 50 and would rather keep 10 or so that are really special to me. Cheers

  • @iwilrage
    @iwilrage 4 місяці тому +1

    Love that guitar!

  • @clintstewart6627
    @clintstewart6627 Рік тому +2

    Well done! Great tone and playing. A lot of good info. I had a black Baretta, 86', with the pointier headstock, but the normal, smaller lettering. Wish I still had it. 🤘😎

  • @lesbois53
    @lesbois53 3 місяці тому +1

    I have a Kline Baretta Beer Mug model. Not heavy at all. Autographed Duncan JB wound by Maricella Juarez. Hot stuff!

    • @totallyradguitars959
      @totallyradguitars959  3 місяці тому

      That's awesome! I always liked that graphic. Your FF Blue one sounds killer too! I sold the one from this video but wish I had kept it, though I feel that way about all of the ones I've sold. Cheers

    • @lesbois53
      @lesbois53 3 місяці тому

      @@totallyradguitars959 I have never sold any of my Kramers. A few years ago, I gave my son a white Stagemaster Deluxe. Unfortunately he was killed 3 years ago, and his wife is going to give it back to me. I will rock the hell out of it, as he would have wanted!! I can’t wait!

  • @MotorHead333
    @MotorHead333 Рік тому +1

    Do a video on the Kramer Sustainer, I think it would be a fun video to watch

    • @totallyradguitars959
      @totallyradguitars959  Рік тому +1

      I'll see what I can do! I have two working ones right now and I'm trying to get a third fixed up, ideally I'd like to get that one working for the video but we will see.

  • @BlackWolfgang70
    @BlackWolfgang70 8 місяців тому +1

    Hi , great informative video . I wanted to have more detailed infos regarding my kramer pacer deluxe . As far as i know from the serial it's from 1987 , but it has a color that it was not in kramer catalog , a sunburst 2 tones color and a white pickguard . Did you ever saw other sunburst pacer kramers from the 80s ... i bought mine used in 1992 , but i knew the previous owner and he bought like it was sunburst and new . Someone says it is not an original kramer but it is ... your toughts ?

    • @totallyradguitars959
      @totallyradguitars959  8 місяців тому +1

      Hey! Some sunbursts do exist, but usually they are in the beak/banana era (80-85ish). However, there is a model called the Classic (not to be confused with more recent models of the same name) which did have a sunburst body and white pickguard, as well as a 4th single coil wired in reverse underneath the pickguard. I could tell you for sure what you have if you send me an email with a few photos of it, totallyradguitars@gmail.com

    • @BlackWolfgang70
      @BlackWolfgang70 8 місяців тому

      @@totallyradguitars959 Hi , thanks for the reply ... i watched almost all your video , are very informative . Ok i will send an email with pics and adding these trough google drive or your gmail account . the guitar was a custom order made from the previous person that had it before me . none believe me but that kramer came out from kramer , its' not a classic kramer i know , its a custom pacer deluxe from 1987 . i send you the pics asap

  • @HFSswfl
    @HFSswfl 3 роки тому +2

    Vintage Kramer’s are just the coolest

  • @yamahayz113
    @yamahayz113 2 роки тому +2

    Just picked up my first Kramer. Great info here! Thank you

  • @johnsimms3957
    @johnsimms3957 2 роки тому +2

    I have a 1987 Dennis Kline Kramer Baretta. It's very heavy. I figure it has a hard maple body. It's the best sounding guitar I've ever played. The only thing I don't like about it is the Switchcraft barrel output jack. They seem to go back really fast. Even the no name replacement ones go bad too. I think part of the reason these guitars sound so good are the original Floyd Rose bridges. I don't use the tremolo myself. But the stock bridge itself is just really musical sounding.

    • @totallyradguitars959
      @totallyradguitars959  2 роки тому

      I'm not a heavy whammy bar user either but I really like the way floyds sound and play, even if I'm not using it, so I agree there. I haven't had too many issues with the barrel jacks myself, besides a few times touching up the solder on the wires to it, but I also don't play out so my stuff usually stays pretty pampered. I have had problems with the short/football jack style ones though, I think the jacks in general since you're moving around a lot and stuff they just get a lot of wear and tear. Cheers!

    • @kennybryant7199
      @kennybryant7199 Рік тому

      Switchcraft is top shelf stuff I never had and problems with and of mine love my old kramers been a fan since 81 when they went to all wood necks, I was lucky a good friend was a kramer dealer got to handle a lot of them awesome video.

  • @SnappyJCM800
    @SnappyJCM800 2 роки тому +1

    I think the headstock that’s called the banana should be called the hockey stick and the 86 on that’s more pointy headstock should be called the banana. Then the shapes would be more accurate to the description

  • @basedguitarist731
    @basedguitarist731 3 роки тому +1

    So much knowledge. I love this kind of stuff.

  • @johndoe-br9kv
    @johndoe-br9kv 3 роки тому +2

    Of the Vintage Kramers which year/model had the thinnest neck?

    • @totallyradguitars959
      @totallyradguitars959  3 роки тому

      Hey! For that, I'd say it has to be the 1990 Proaxe. It has an R1 nut and the profile is very thin, but they are tough to find.
      Pointy neck Kramer's are usually thinner than earlier stuff but I also have a non-tilt Banana neck that is extremely thin (completely different from other banana necks I have). The pointies also came with R2 and R5 variants... it's really impossible to say because they did not stick to any specific formula per model like other makers. I think that's also why some people love Kramers and some don't - you can't just play one and get a good idea of what they are like because they are all so different - even the same model and same year can be very different.

  • @charlesb7831
    @charlesb7831 2 роки тому +1

    Loved this video! I have an original Kramer Nightswan Aztec I bought new (still have the bill) back in 90ish. It's serial number always seemed off to me. F78×× . I could never sell it, the playability is unbelievable. All these years later I have never come across any guitar that plays like it. I actually traded in my Kramer 300ST as part of the payment, when I went back to repurchase it back they said it was actually stolen from the store.
    I did end up buying a Kramer Dave Sabo Beretta and absolutely love it! I did put some FU-Tone Titanium parts on the tremolo and it makes it so much better!
    I actually sold my Gibson to get the Dave Sabo model, no regrets.

    • @totallyradguitars959
      @totallyradguitars959  2 роки тому +2

      Hey! F78xx sounds about right for a real deal Nightswan, nothing off about that. I don't have a real swan but I do have the gibson RI polka dot one - it's very nice but not quite as nice as the originals - glad to hear you like the Sabo! I still have a Proaxe, same scale length and R1 nut as the 80s Swans, wish they'd made more of those, I'll have to make a video on that one at some point!

    • @charlesb7831
      @charlesb7831 2 роки тому +1

      @@totallyradguitars959 Absolutely, I was all excited about the new version and was disappointed when I played it. I wanted the R1 nut and that super fast neck. I did buy the Kramer Dave Sabo signature model and love it! I installed the Fu-tone brass big block on it and Titanium saddle screw and blocks. It does change the tone a bit, but for the better. I actually want the SM1 as well, it played so nice! Love your content on old Kramer's, extremely underrated guitars!

  • @kennybryant7199
    @kennybryant7199 Рік тому +1

    Yep that's a old school Kramer sound that to me you can't beat just love it sweet color on that imperial I have a 85 in black nanner and a 85 in candy red both mine are early 85s or late 84s both have schaller pickups but got that evh sound love em bought the black one in Vegas in a pawn shop 22 years ago for 300 mint how do you like the orange terror compared to the jcm 800.

    • @totallyradguitars959
      @totallyradguitars959  Рік тому

      The Oranges are great amps but they have a different feel to them. The rockerverb has way more gain than the 800's and a deeper, but muddier, attack in the low notes. The thunderverb is more articulate and closer to the 800 but it's less bright in the mids. The dual dark and OR50 are both similar in tone and nothing like an 800, very deep and bassy, fuzzy almost at the right settings. The OR50 can get bright since it has the "punch" knob.
      The 800 is still my favorite out of those because it is so flexible. A few boosts and it can do just about anything, add an EQ and it'll even do modern metal. The Oranges are a bit more specialized, so if I could only keep one it'd be the OR50 since that does the classic Orange sounds the best (and is the most different from the 800)

  • @cheungtommy8806
    @cheungtommy8806 2 роки тому +1

    is there any different in terms of quality between early kramers made in usa and american series which parts from esp?

    • @totallyradguitars959
      @totallyradguitars959  2 роки тому

      Hey, it's hard to say as people have their preferences, but there is a lot of confusion around that too. In another video I play a 1982 Pacer with a glossy beak neck - that neck is also made by ESP. Many of the "USA" banana headstock necks were also made by ESP too. There were other supplies in the beak/banana era, like Sports and Lasido, but the vast majority of wooden neck "American" series Kramers from start to finish were made by ESP - even before the pointy headstock era.
      That said, I do feel a bit more weight in the earlier models but they are more inconsistent. I think that's why some people love them and others hate them - from 1986-onwards all necks and bodies were made by ESP so the fit and finish is more uniform for those years. I've had some real beauties in the 81-84 range and some real duds too.
      Many other brands are more consistent - part of the reason why I find Kramer so fascinating. I've had a dozen Charvels and they are all within a point or two of each other, very similar playing and quality. Kramers vary wildly so it makes them exciting to buy and collect, which is why I have 5x as many Kramers as any other brand, each one has such a unique personality.

    • @cheungtommy8806
      @cheungtommy8806 2 роки тому

      @@totallyradguitars959 thanks so much for your reply! my beloved teacher sold me an all black 1986 pacer recently. I love it so much ! The pacer got a really really smooth and fast neck and it is so heavy, even heavier than my friend's 2020 les paul 50 standard.
      this is the first time that i owned a kramer guitar, so im curious about the different between kramer guitars.
      IMO,i feel the pointy headstock is much more cooler than banana headstock!
      Which era do you prefer? made in usa or american series?

    • @totallyradguitars959
      @totallyradguitars959  2 роки тому

      @@cheungtommy8806 I loved the pointy headstocks when I was first getting into them, I thought they looked cooler and I was really into shred stuff back then too. I've never personally been into the banana neck thing, but those are some of the most desirable ones to collectors.
      If I could only pick one, it would be an 82-83 Pacer Deluxe with a maple fretboard and the beak headstock, but only because it is the most versatile as far as musical styles go and I'm really just noodling around these days trying out new songs and genres.
      If you'd asked me 5 years ago, I'd have said an 88-89 Sustainer with the two humbuckers because all I played back then was metal and that type of guitar just killed for that style.

  • @siya2563
    @siya2563 2 роки тому +1

    Can u please sell me dat Kramer deluxe pacer imperial ??? Please

  • @bonkosuckacocka983
    @bonkosuckacocka983 3 роки тому +1

    Do another video! I'm addicted :)

  • @workingorder2189
    @workingorder2189 3 роки тому +1

    Tight vid! Can you do a videos on your Hamers or Robin if you still have them.

    • @totallyradguitars959
      @totallyradguitars959  3 роки тому +2

      Thanks! I absolutely plan to - I still have the Medley and all 3 Hamers so they are at the top of my list.

  • @kattycat3502
    @kattycat3502 Рік тому +1

    Ok Just found this channel. Its totally rad. Love it.

  • @iiizeroiii1636
    @iiizeroiii1636 3 роки тому +1

    Question : it's been 5 months or so, any regrets selling the mk4?

    • @totallyradguitars959
      @totallyradguitars959  3 роки тому +1

      Yes definitely. I don't play the Mark V nearly as much as I did the IV, although I'll also say I haven't had as much free time to play in general lately so that's part of it.
      The IV had such a specific sound and wasn't as versatile so I'd only plug into it when I wanted that specific Mark sound, the V I find I can tweak it a lot more to cover more ground but it doesn't have quite as unique of an identity because of it. So when I do have a chance to play now I find more and more I'm plugging into my 2ch Dual Rec or my JCM800 2203 because those amps do their "one thing" really well. My situation is of course unique because of how many amps I have here, if I could only have one or two amps I'd probably be super pleased with how versatile the V is over the IV.

  • @bonkosuckacocka983
    @bonkosuckacocka983 3 роки тому

    Cover you're jcm2203 or another amp you feel is close in awesomeness to the Mark IV/V

  • @ProfVonW
    @ProfVonW 2 роки тому

    Links to the good Kramer Forums/FB pages?

  • @TheFreshmaker02
    @TheFreshmaker02 2 роки тому

    Wish you did a clean shred too but awesome either way. Kramer's are awesome

    • @totallyradguitars959
      @totallyradguitars959  2 роки тому

      Hey, what do you mean by clean shred? As in, just soloing on a clean guitar sound, or something else? Cheers

    • @TheFreshmaker02
      @TheFreshmaker02 2 роки тому

      I mean clean as in no distortion. Not saying to not use distortion. Just is a great bonus to hear both sounds. Those are some of the best PUPs on the market and sound amazing no matter what you do. No PUP has matched perfection for my style than the JB Humbucker/Trembucker.
      No worries brother, keep on rockin in the free world /m/