Shane Jones Talks 'Treaty Mission Creep'
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Sean Plunket talks to Shane Jones about 'Treaty mission creep'
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Thank you Shane Jones , this is why I voted nz first
It's new zealand(english) first party you people are not kiwis
Mixing Tikanga and New Zealand law is like trying to mix oil with water.
CORRECT!🤓
Electricity and water😮
Nor pour water on a fat/fuel fire. Maori activists/treaty twisters and alphabet sickos have stoked a bonfire.
Thats why pakeha dont belong here with Maori. Its time for pakeha to deport themselves back to england where you come from!
Pissing in your beer and telling you it still tastes good.
Good-on-ya Sean, keep plugging away at the politicians and not let them forget why they were voted in!
There are NO principals to the treaty. There are three articles but no principals and no partnership. Simple. Dump the double P.
you haven’t a clue do you😂😂😂
Your a fool arnt you.😅😂
It’s not going to stop unless this government gets on to it NOW
I sometimes wonder if I would continue voting NZ FIRST after Winston stepped down. Now having seen Shane Jones at work, I'm liking what I'm seeing. We need politicians steeped in Maori history that continues to sit on our side of the aisle.
Yup he’s bloody brilliant
Didn't realize that old folk from overseas can get gold cards straight away wtf that's bad
@@ronaldwarren1267which "old folk"?
Parents of immigrants
@@anzacman5 I believe Chinese?
Thanx Shane...Im with you get it all going ...until its gone...this bloody madness has to STOP!
@roslynhit6149
only people like you are the madness taking people's rights away!! how f..kd is you
😂😂😂😂
How can a culture that had no concept of these ideas and were only introduced once the empire arrived, have a say?
THEY DONT REALLY common sense says a stone age culture is not getting 50% of the say.🧐
Agreed cause it is a MASSIVE SCAM! by the maori mafia, with all this toxic brainwashing rubbish!! We all need to team work together and say NO to these people converting there maori religion onto us, fight back against this certain maori scam!!!
Is that concept of the lunar year cycle or the gregorian calender?
only someone idiotic a=would say that, just because we dont share our knowledge dosent make our society failed like yours
I have always voted national but I love Shane jones and his no nonsense approach,if there is a credible candidate in New Plymouth next election then I will vote for them,I would also like to know when tv will start calling health nz and nzta by there proper names they are insisting on calling it waka Kotahi and te Ora whata WHY
meh y not
Good to hear that Shane.. we need to be free of cultisum..in every form 😊🇳🇿
@brownynsearle2117
you haven't a culture?
Never gonna happen coments are low discrepancies no genius solutions only speculating on SJ wishing well
National should learn from NZ First
Luxon is too woke to do that. Maybe some other National MP's are willing to learn.
Learn from NZFirst? Remember we’re so deep in this mess because he chose to put socialist Adern in power. While WinnieFirst is saying the right things he cannot be trusted
Otherwise NZ First will be the MAIN party
Where are we going to get the government departments and hospitals to start using English? I rang Nelson Hospital today. And was surprised at the continuing use of Māori I had to ask the lady was this the Nelson Hospital? She showed me it was now while I don’t object to the use of Maori I thought the new coalition government was going to bring in all English names as the dominant language of the country etc.?
Many years ago, just after I arrived in NZ, I had occasion to ring a government department. The lady who answered said "Kia ora" and, without thinking, I responded "bore da". At this point she became quite septic, demanding to know what I had said. My response was "Well, you spoke to me in your language, so I replied in mine." She insisted on knowing what I had said, so I replied "Good morning." There was more to this, but I won't go into it here. Needless to say, she was not a happy bunny.
Simply make them say the name in English by saying you don’t understand, then say why didn’t you say that in the first place. I don’t like the forced indoctrination of a bastardised language that has no relevance in the real world.
@marshallgarrett1593
Whingewhingewhinge get up with the new modernization tired of looking at english have no meaning
Don't force your stone age language on me cuzzy bro...
It's totally useless outside New Zealand too.
I'm actually gutted reading all of this. I'm half Maori and in the middle of learning te reo. All my life I have been disappointed that I wasn't taught how to speak maori from a kid. If anything I think there should be more Maori spoken . It was normal before colonization. My own mum was bullied and told to marry a white man my dad who I love with all my heart but come on guys this is ridiculous you are all just wanting to erase the language and culture completely. Sorry but this podcast is really sad with alot of racism in the comments. You wonder why the hard core Maori get so upset. If it's so bad here go back to the country you're ancestors came from. Maori language and culture is just getting stronger tbh it's not going anywhere.
Kia ora 😊
When's the referendum to stop this utter nonsense? Things are getting more ridiculous by the day. I wasnt in favour of one but I've changed my mind. Bring it on!
Remember the 'full and final Treaty Settlement' decades ago? Kiwis had had enough of this BS, time to move forward and make all Kiwi's equal instead of some Kiwis being more equal than others.
One law for all Kiwi's!
@@roilhead Hello 😃 yes, I do remember and we were gaslight then too. Can you remember who lied to us about that? Was it the infamous lying Harry Clark? Ooops, I meant Helen..lol
@@roilhead Just keep ticking those official ethnicity boxes mate.
It tells you if you are native to this country, or not..
It's a crown requirement.
@@user-bw5nc Other. Kiwi, is my go to.
@@roilhead What's a Kiwi? Sounds like a flightless endangered bird to me.
Can we get this stuff out of the Auckland Council budget? Why is there a section on Te Tiriti for what to do with North Harbour Stadium? If that is contested land (it's not) leave that up to the Tribunal. The stadium wasn't there in 1840 and it has nothing to do with the treaty or any parties to that agreement. Of course there should be cultural considerations but that should be part of any pro/cons not having to put a special row under every budget item for the treaty. I never knew how bad this confusion had gotten and how far the infection had spread. Wipe it out from where it doesn't belong otherwise it undermines the support for the treaty where it does belong.
Simple - ban the cheaty
What the fu*k does that mean? Can't you get it? Your people and my people put down the mark, so you call your people cheat?
bingo enough bs.
@operatorsix6933 Yeah, bro, and it's not even hard to see self invite blindness.
So your word means nothing ? Thankfully the world has moved on from scamming politicians (or at least one would hope).
Sign a founding treaty with indigenous folk then just ban the agreement shows how biased many are
white uneducated people would do that and then not leave like theyre supposed to.
Well said Sean and Shane - The law must be upheld and must be clear for the common man and not circumvented by fancy lawfare and lawyers!
Shane is a force to be reckoned.🧐with.
Yeah when he has a fart🎉watchout😂😂😂😂
I keep thinking about his porn addiction which goes against my morals
To a large degree the system of law that we use in New Zealand Has its origins like many other aspects of Western Society, in Christian principles. So why is there not a requirement to study Christianity within the legal and real estate industries, If it is a spiritual dynamic that is needed?
I’m so sick of hearing about the bloody treaty. It’s very simple. There’s only 3 principles to it. 1 the govt is sovereign, 2 maori are sovereign only on their own land in the same way as everyone else is and 3 maori and all will be treated equally, end of story. Now the govt needs to grow some balls and say this is how it is and if you don’t like it bad luck. If you want to protest it and break the law then under the treaty article three you’ll be treated equally and thrown in jail.
none of wqhich is true, again years alter youve breached your own agreement
Utu is part of tikanga, so should we all be free to deliver retribution to those who offend us? Theres a few Id like to but I defer to our common law and police that my tax pays for to sort it out. Lets have some common sense and expunge all maori superstitions just as Lord Normanby instructed Hobson.
Really!!!f..k me days what a joke you are😂😂😂
expunge all maori superstitions and keep christian ones ??? you are a one eyed jack ass.
I like your style. Utu and the umu, let's see how that goes down, literally.
So expunge all freedom of thought except those form some old regal twat? Sounds cringe
yes we should, because your a coward with no mana when you call the police
Please turn some focus to removing this crap from our tertiary institutions- namely AUT
And the guilt trip taught annually in primary schools.
My people.
I'm not maori so I don't matter.
Family have been here since 1860 , they built what we have but we are not included.
My government, which allows rules for one and not the other.
My country. I wish.
My family arrived here in 1839 and they had it a lot harder than the 4th or 5th generation sooks that are here now.
This is why the Chateau was lost.
I wonder what the added cost of all this is, particularly at the local Govt level? Is this an added reason, on top of climate posturing, why rates are being hiked?
@NotSoAlarmed
2025-27 council local govt will own your properties due to rates hikes emissions bs so be alarmed at all costs
Compulsory Centres for Re-education? How Soviet Union.
I always knew I was right in being a supporter of Shane Jones. He would be a Great Prime Minister...
Someone speaking sense on the platform! Well,there ya go! This Maori push ( as in shoved down throats ) along with the omnipresent rip offs has GOT to stop!!
I hated hearing stories about my English ancestors and how they pillaged and killed all over the world, it's all made up my grandpa said.
Correction Sean it does not require the government to have a partnership with Maori - Lord Cook in the 80's said that the relationship between Maori and the Crown is "akin" to a partnership. It was specifically outlined as "akin" because you cannot have two seperate governance structures in a democracy. Even David Lange outlined this - it's only recently and it sounds like you've been fooled by it that the word "akin" and now simply partnership is being implied.
Lord Cooke had no right to make law like that
It's not about two different governance structures. It's about having more equity in the current structure to shape outcomes.
@@DaHandDatFeedsthat is a myth
@@geoffstokes what is a myth? Religion?
@@DaHandDatFeedsclaiming that it's about having equity within the govt structure.
Sir Shane Jones & Sir Winston Peters the two most respected Maori politicians in NZ !! Thank GOD for NZ First. Sanity will Prevail.
Petrol has to come down its $17 a gallon now. Who can afford that?? Bring back Marsden Point Sir. Please !!
Go Shane stop horse movie being made
1 Remove ALL unelected iwi from Councils. They were just there to anoint the Co governance of the LAST Govt, who, thank God have gone. 2. Also Māori wards. ALL this setting up was done by Mahuta. SHE has also GONE. Jackson GONE
@Wairoa4never
another colony moari hater wards thorn in your thighs😂😂😂😂
@Wairoa4never
Wards are put in place for a safe guard from sly wrong doings by theses fresh off the boat colonies & I'm thinking you're one of them f..kers who would rob us of our lands?
letting u know I'm from there🎉boo!!🎉
Two things. 1. The treaty means anything they want it to mean at any given time. 2. Beyond relinquishing the government of the country to the crown, Maoris have no responsibilities.
Means anything to us too friend, we do what we want it's in our English culture
Can S Jones talk us through the law society submission about use of urgency that was made about year ago?
Us being simply all New Zealanders sound like unity to me
I'm English before NZer and before that I'm from Saxony
Horse Movie. Is that a movie about Jacinda?
Yep eight hundred thousand tax payer money who signed this off
FFS this must be stopped forthwith.
With all the damage that Ms Arden did for all New Zealanders.
We do not need to pay 800k of taxpayer money for a "horse movie" and Jacinda ego trip.
Remember peters put her there.
How many times does the word "partnership" appear in the Treaty..?
Scrap the Treaty. Keep it simple.
@Abuamina001
If you are a moari hater? what are doing here?it's people like you that moari can't relate to, colonies can always be divisive tending to cause disagreement and can be hostile about it why is it so hard for yous to agree on peoples liberty of rights?
British colonisation was the best thing that ever happened to this country and the indigenous folk. Period.@@turi03175
nah its all about dishonouring the agreement continually@@turi03175
Bring bad the old days ay
Keep up the good work Shane Jones.
defund the horse movie
nneeeiiiiggghhhhhh
Shane Jones talks more sense than Luxon.
@michaelcornell55
what makes you think SJ saying more sense to your ears👂does it sound like what you want hear?well that's all gonna be SJ only sitting on a wishing well🎉😂😂
UA-cam is where l get my news these days. Msm are totally biased.
Mt Ruapehu can be leased to local or over sea Invester Or just let it be a Mountain why is tax money going into it?
Tourism?mining?secret discovery exploration
Shane stumbles over his own verbosity, but as Eric Burdon says 'his intentions are good'
For himself
QC? Sean, do you know something that is not known to us?
KC and the sunshine band
Cheers Shane, like the left says, "there wouldn't be any outrage if you didn't tell people this is happening"
I for one think that pulling this thing out into the light of day is the way to go
DOC is the only entity working alongside all iwi in accordance with Te Tirity O Waitangi., as agreed between Maori and the Crown..and DOC is definitely honoring their commitment..they work their talk..no promises just hard work, no arguments just Mahi tahi...working smart for all of us..Thank u DOC...❤❤
So the government going make the treaty clear by itself or with iwi's? Is the issue
Go, Shane.
Remember the 'full and final Treaty settlement' decades ago? Was this a lie, were we sold a lie?
1975-87 yes is a lie 1840 is truth🎉
Name one nation in all of human history that has not been colonised
Japan
Nelson city council as I understand, it is also working on the basis of partnership so where does that lead other councils are probably doing the same so it’s everywhere
Nelson's previous Mayor was an Arden puppet of the first order.
She did a number of things that no other council in New Zealand had agreed to, and without consultation with Nelsonians. This lined up specifically with Ms Arden's view of the world.
I want to move to Nelson where we look after our own
Thank you, Shane, really appreciate your approach which is very balanced and fear and I think most New Zealanders want to be fair but we also recognise that we need to get this country moving. We have many different ethnicities in this country and if we end up going down the path we are big trouble. It’s very clear that a lot of institutions, i.e. government departments, universities etc news. Media are pushing back obviously clearly there’s a battle
This is getting very complicated, so a great number of ideas can come through as important!
Shane I feel you were going sideways here and not wanting to make any commitments. Not really your style.
sideways all the way only his people backing can change the course of that and he knows it till then poroporoaki🎉
Shane is a talker - not a doer.
Go Shane, let the elite maori lead this country. Gifted to the country, mindful of the comsequences
Good moves .get rid of all the compulsory learning of tikanga maori
Maybe foreign investors need negotiate with the owners real guardians of the lands? govt then will try to block that wouldn't they?that'll be a shocker?
@fionacornish3409
Is it because they show leniency towards indigenous claims? I think so😂😂
acting like its okay to gentify and segregate us and indoctrinate us
What do Māori who are not part of the "Special In Group" of Ideologues think about all this propaganda being smashed around? You know, the ones who will never be involved in any power or money that is always demanded by these cultural marxists. I would be happy if all Māori could speak Māori. But if it is all encompassing shouldn't we also have to learn Urdu, Farsi, Indian, Mandarin etc etc to be "correct" to everyone?
We're sitting back and watching the usual generalizing of a group of people that happen to be born with Māori blood?
Why would we even get involved in this bigotry ??
Now ask me which side I'd rather stand with??
@@user-bw5nc Fair point. When I was growing up we were all kiwis. Our house was literally between a Samoan family and a Māori family. The only conflicts were the usual young lads growing up things.
Yep, I remember those days too.
To be fair, it's mostly still like that in reality... people generally seem to get along..
I'm not naive enough to know that some have extreme views.
I guess, places like this are just an outlet for frustration.
But it also shows a side of themselves they would hide in public too.
No!! Moari's lands give moari that right amen
@@user-bw5nc
exactly why?got nothing to do with you, bunch of whingers always trying to take something that don't belong to in the first place away from someone who owns it f..kd up?
I guess "Waitemata" station is here to stay.
Lived here all my 74 yrs and there is now lots of places that I have no idea where they are
@@greyhamlogan2255 They changed the name of the Britomart. Swanson station will soon be called Waiwhauwhaupaku 🤣
Change it back to English we have new government now
I believe that if the government can control DOC they will be able to open up mining on the west coast, which is desperately needed for the future prosperity of the coast. Cheers 🥂
Interesting 🤔
The new wharf at both ends the cook straight trip. National significance. Why can not the regional development fund help out?
U tell him Sean!!
Don’t point the finger at iwi now Shane. $ probably in your pocket from the carbon credits!!
Did u tell your voters how much the new oil and gas projects is going to cost when u sell the resources to chevron ??😂🤣
Who are our soldiers killing in the middle east today,will that mission creep,bring them home,now.
We need to tax mari businesses to make it fair
who’s we
Shane like every other politician has the gift of the gab while cashing in on being in charge, words sweet to hard working new Zealanders (auteraorans) yea, klauss schwab has you by the balls too😂😂
Winston should receive a Knighthood for teaching Jackon(L) Davidson(G) Waititi(Tpn) how to represent all New Zealanders as we pay them to! Corrupt media next...💯
Stop shouting Sean.Just speak in a more calm voice...Sean
How does this work for lawyers from overseas. This I would. Think becomes a great barrier to attracting skilled workers in law wanting to consider New Zealand as a place of opportunity. On a wider scale this ongoing needing to imbed a language that is only spoken by a tiny majority or a tiny country does not help us move forward and be a competitive country people want to come to.
Don't blame us. Two people put their mark down. we didn't have much say when it was just us 2 now no more bullsh*t and you can't do that cause there two people
Involved .😊
I think it should be clarified that tikanga is not specifically superstition or religion - it is ritual. However, of course, much social ritual is tied into superstition and religion, but not all.
E.g. tikanga kōti, the ritual of the court, such as referring to the judge as 'your honour' or a JP as 'your worship'; and the process of examination, crossexamination, reexamination, and questions from the court are all a process of tikanga. Or say, tikanga kai or food rituals in your family, who gets the biggest steak? Do oldest or youngest get served first? Or maybe tikanga mahi, how do you go about your work? Is it practical or theoretical, is it solo or group? This is all tikanga, tikanga as 'ritual' is universal, and in my mind instead of superstition the ritual is tied to ethical orientations (i.e. what is 'good' for me and the situation, and 'good' for those i work with).
The issue is that Maori elitists refuse to accept that their cultural artefacts are shared with other cultures simply with different names, and this leds them to believe that Maoritanga is somehow superior or better suited because they perceive these rituals as being uniquely theirs and uniquely valuable (by nature of the whole 'bad white man' yarn). This is terribly wrong. Strong cultural values are superior to weak ones, that is the crux. The appropriate rituals (i.e. in this case the appropriate social contracts and methodologies) exist regardless of culture or place. One such amazing and appropriate tikanga is the common law we enjoy that has whakapapa all the way back to the Domesday Book and the Magna Carta.
Mana is universal, Charlemange sourced authority from the same place as Hongi Hika. It is the biological response to social standing - humans respect strong and wise leadership. Whakapapa is universal, the lineage of my Irish and Scottish tupuna are equally as valuable as my Maori tupuna and their genetics are my whakapapa. It is the genomic link that ties us together as a human species with shared propagative history - individuals have varied constructions but are based on the same universal blueprint. Thus, pono tika (or correct values) exist as universal facts, not varied cultural interpretations and tribalized narratives. One such fact is that, if you wish to abandon cynicism and nihilism, all people are equal regardless of sex, breed, or creed - what makes us different is our individual capacities which people have to accept. Are you lacking because society has you down, or because you dont thrive to make yourself a capable, strong, passionate, and knowledgeable individual? The only way to make that happen is good tikanga: personal, social, and ethical.
Sleepy Shane at it again!
Yes i agree and give back Maori land you can rent it of Maori that'll be great
Thats a fantastic plan. The Crown and its settlers can lease or rent Aotearoa from iwi Māori!!
Yeh that's right I do to wanna a say about my mountain
This nonsense has been going on for years...Governments making Law..then Departments and Institutions then making 'Rules', many of which are at odds with the Law
Your are talking about an ACT and National law.
Tikanga Maori is not religious or a superstitious belief model.
Kawa is the fundamental principles ...like a constitution and tikanga are the laws/rules that people create in line with the kawa.
Well said...that's on point...
I'm just afraid that your explanation will be lost on those who ascribe to "a cow jumping over the moon and the dish running away with the spoon"...
@user-wt4ie6iu6p
Clown😂😂😂
@xxunisxx/-zx3hu
Yeah bang on the nostril
Talking of what does not belong in politics Mr Plunkett how's about government colluding with big corporate companies like the aussie mining company wanting consent off the Taranaki coast That does not belong in politics and what about the environment issues involved with this mining.Then we get the "our experts" who we the people don't know who these experts are, lines from our government.Bottom line is at least these maoris voted in our NZ election.but the big companies did not vote in our election, they come in latter and loobby which is pay politicians to give them consents that the people who voted are against what a money go round joke while pointing the finger at voters
Shane go fight in Ukraine take shorn with you
Kupapa, he ware ki te kupu makihoi. Wō raho ka pango nei!
You should have said Kupapa, it's a dirty word. It's going to be black!. English is a global universal language and Te Reo Maori is only used in NZ.
Te reo is bastard English@@chrismckellar9350
So what so are other languages stop picking on Maori but hear me there is no swearing in language of Maori that belongs to pakeha.
I started speaking in Te Reo Moari, and wearing a Piupiu, because I can, I'm having more fun than you.
Good for you nothing like fun😂 aslong as its not compulsary fun
Wanna bet?
@@brianrassie3526 compulsory fun 😂 communist and fascist would love that. NZ is not far from that. Glad people voted coalition
@@brianrassie3526
Won't need to be compulsory.. if it becomes a fashion trend.
@@Viagra_risk_PERMANENT_insomnia engineered trend, yeah sure like other artificial trends
Go koro
Liberate New Zealand, Tahu te Tiriti
That’s exactly what the crown did.
They liberated Maori from a life of constant war, slavery, cannibalism and lawlessness.
Tikanga wasn’t kind to early Maori.
Kupapa
I thought the treaty was all about some maori tribes shitscared of those maori who had muskets
So wanted british protectionn
@Abuamina001
If you are a moari hater? what are doing here?it's people like you that moari can't relate to, colonies can always be divisive tending to cause disagreement and can be hostile about it why is it so hard for yous to agree on peoples liberty of rights?
You're deliberately lying about what tikanga Māori. Nothing to do with religion.
I like is rhetoric but, alas, I fear he is a global lobbyist in silk silent slippers.
@michaelcornell55
what makes you think SJ saying more sense to your ears👂does it sound like what you want hear?well that's all gonna be SJ only sitting on a wishing well🎉😂😂
Russia Lol
@marshallgarrett1593
Whingewhingewhinge get up with the new modernization tired of looking at english have no meaning😂😂
@brownynsearle2117
you haven't a culture?
Never gonna happen coments are low discrepancies no genius solutions only speculating on SJ wishing well
These gus are so out of touch with whats going on
Who's Gus?
Yer who’s Gus
Gus is from abcde crowd maybe
Yes, but Why?
bollox it the opposite
Well i think its disrespectful to change anything about the treaty. Most indigenous peoples of lands have this problem . Look at the aboriginal people. People are always saying mean things and pulling them down. How can anyone rise above whats pulling them down if there is no one pulling them up and supporting them. Words are powerful and we must never forget where we come from🙏💔❤️
Or is it let's sell our country as fast as we can?
Shane's is all blow&fart if he knows any better he'll do right with his whanua & people
@markturner2971
moari are tired of slaving for colonies pay back time🎉now iwi's need to speak with investors considering moari own the whenua?
@NA-sj9jy
If it's not in my language, the message not intended for me.
In Aotearoa our language is te reo moari alternative is english had been forcibly upon moari