Challenges of Getting Italian Citizenship
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For most folks, health and family are likely some of the most important things in life.
Sure, citizenship by descent (CBD) can be a great way to delve deep into your family history and unravel all of its mysteries, but the true power of pursuing citizenship via your ancestry is in the second passport that could help you legally reduce your taxes, diversify your personal life, find new investment markets, and increase your freedom.
If you’re a seven- or eight-figure entrepreneur or investor, this is an especially enticing opportunity.
This process can have some challenges for you. That's why we prepare this video where Andrew Shares one article and explains how you need to prepare for getting your citizenship by descent.
00:00 Start
0:20 News
1:00 Italian Passport
1:48 Suburban woman left without one document for foreign citizenship application
2:34 Canadian Citizenship
4:28 Citizenship by Marriage
5:56 Living in Italy
10:09 How to Apply for Dual Citizenship?
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I used to work for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs here in The Netherlands. I simply can’t believe how bureaucratic, slow and downright uncooperative some countries deal with citizens trying to acquire nationality by descent. Here in The Netherlands the entire process takes only a few months max! I’m glad I live in a country where everything just works the way it is supposed to.
I got my Hungarian citizenship by decent a few months ago. Now I'm in the process of shutting everything down here in the states and saving funds for the move. It will be a few years but there's a light at the end of the tunnel.
Was it easy for you?
@@lucasgvieira5066 It was very easy. Most of it was just waiting.
Nice! I am eligible for the Italian one and the UK one- but I think the UK one would be faster. Not sure.
Lucky you
@@AdoptionReunion I can do Hungarian, Serbian and German, but don't you worry about possible multiple future tax headaches with multiple citizenships? I'm in Serbia now, and will look into it while I'm in Novi Sad next week.
Sample size = 1, but I recently got my Irish passport by descent via my Irish born parent in about 4 months. It's true that with an Irish born parent the process is easier than with a grandparent only. Ireland also recently hired more workers in their passport office to deal with the COVID and Brexit induced backlog for first time passports.
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And from WI…
Ironic since I’m Sicilian and was wanting to this….
The universe always makes you see things at 5am -AZ time ❤️
As a life-long, unwilling resident of Cook County (no, I am not nor ever have been incarcerated) I am TOTALLY not surprised by this situation. FYI when Cook County could not find my wife’s birth certificate we were able to get a copy from the State of Illinois in Springfield. Keep in mind the document you need may be available at another government repository.
Glad I got my kids their citizenships done right before the lockdowns (and I got lucky with our local documentation which can take years - got mine in months). The process slowed down and halted so much in Ireland over that period and people got stuck without their birth certificates, etc.
Guys - please keep your children's docs current. My parents never did for me and it was so painful and in my country (South Africa) everything got "burned in a fire" if they can't find it. Applications go missing, etc. Do docs immediately and keep them safe. It helps so much for the future. 8 years from now it might be a mission.
Hello Andrew, I'm an avid watcher of your videos, they're brilliant and immensely useful. If you can, it would be great if you covered a very recent and huge situation concerning acquiring Spanish citizenship: the days-ago passed law, "ley de memoria democrática/law of historic memory". This affects all descendants of people displaced by the Franco regime.
In searching for my Grandfather's naturalization records (from Germany, for myself) I tried the County Office in the state he naturalized, they said I needed to contact the US Citizen and Immigration Svcs, $65 for them to search -even if no records are recovered. I just received an email stating it could take 12-24 months for a response. Within a couple days, my cousin found his original docs at the local museum where she works. I couldn't believe it. The USCIS still has not responded. -That is how they get you! I could not imagine having to wait 1-2 years for paperwork. (like that guy in Germany on one of your previous episodes)
It's understandable that you didn't believe it 😂😂
Thanks to Covid it took me almost 3 years to collect all of the "vital records" for Italian Citizenship with translations and apostilles. Just sourcing my grandfather's birth certificate from Sicily took nearly a year. And yes there are at least two mistakes on various historical docs (e.g. grandparents marriage certificate) that I will most likely need to have addressed. Now, I am unable to get an appointment at the Italian Consulate in Houston. This is absolutely a marathon rather than a sprint!
You're absolutely right; obtaining Italian citizenship, especially through ancestry, can be complex and time-consuming. At Nomad Capitalist, we specialize in simplifying this process. Our team handles translations, apostilles, and addresses document errors. We're here to help people like you every step of the way.
The city where I live is also located inside Cook County Andrew.
I'm in year 3 of gathering what I need for Italian citizenship by decent. The worst is dealing with USCIS (Customs and Immigration). They did not respond to my first submission after a year, so I sent a letter, they responded to the letter in a few months and said do this and that. I did, yesterday after 10 months, I got the index number for my grandfathers Certificate of Naturalization. Now another submission and another year wait to get the actual document. I have all the other docs. Once I have all of this, all the US docs need to be translated. If I want to submit to a consulate in NY where I live, it will probably take 2 years to get an appointment, and then another wait. I want to go to Italy and do the submission there, understand I will need to be there 45-60 days. That sounds like a better idea, but the wife is against it. You can't win.
How do you know what’s on my mind? I was just starting to look in citizen by descent!
It took me 3 years to complete the dual citizenship by descent with Italy.
I'm on my 2nd year just trying to get documents - just one left. See my comment above. I can't find my grandfather's annulment record from the late 1940s.
@@Blackberie I don’t use FB anymore but there is an Italian dual citizenship group on there that is so helpful. That’s where I turned when I had questions or issues. Do you know where he was living when it was filed? The church should have a copy of it. Depending where you live, you may not even need it. My consulate did not want any “non line” documents.
@@kimberlyg123 I also don't use FB anymore but that's so helpful - I should get one of my friends to message in there. It was in Queens, NYC, and I received a certified letter back from the County clerk there saying there is no record available. I contacted all the parishes in NY and they don't have it either. I'm claiming the lineage from my great grandfather, so this would be his son (my grandfather) who was married in the late 1940's and had an annulment in the early 1950s. He then married my grandmother in 1952. On his 2nd marriage license, it says that he was married once before and there was an annulment, so I was assuming the consulate will want proof he had the annulment?
@@Blackberie They may not need it if you provide a copy of the divorce decree from NY. I would definitely have a friend post a question in the group for you. I’m sure a member will be able to give you an answer. If for some reason the NY consulate does ask for it, the certified letter you received stating there is no record should be sufficient. Just don’t reschedule your appointment. I made that mistake and it delayed the process another year. Go with what you have and if they require additional documents they will tell you and you can mail it in. Best of luck! It is such a good feeling when you receive your letter of recognition!
@@kimberlyg123 that’s extremely helpful! There’s no divorce record either haha I’m going to sit tight then. First step would be to mail the documents in right ? In the packets and order they requested? Someone told me a while ago they weren’t scheduling appointments due to COVID
I'm going for my Irish citizenship by descent.
I am Canadian (born and raised)
My grandfather was born in Ireland, then came to Canada as a baby with his mother/ father/ 5 siblings in early 1900's.
I will move to Ireland once I obtain my Irish citizenship.
It's worth every penny, and every bit of waiting to me.
To my understanding it's 400.00$
And up to a 2 year wait.
If there is a faster route, I'd love to hear it. 😊
You’re eligible - I was in the same situation as you. The only faster route is to travel back before 2020 when it only took a few months
@@trayamolesh588
I wish I could time travel.
I sure wouldn't be here, that's for sure.
Did you get you citizenship?
If you don't mind me asking?
@@RobHellfire666 Yes, got it back in 2018 i think, ~5 months for registration and 3 months for the passport. My sister applied for hers before the pandemic hit and is still waiting for a response:(
good luck and don't give up! it's worth it
@@trayamolesh588 my grandfather and great grandparents were from Wales and England respectively, do you know where I would begin this journey?! Do I qualify if my dad's dad was born in Wales and came to Canada at age 11
Andrew - what about adopted children? Do they qualify under the parents for CBDescent?
"His hair was perfect...!"
I would like to collect Second Citizenships and Passport of Potatoes so kindly suggest a suitable plan for me to move abroad
I’m just starting the process.. my situation is so complicated making this maybe not worth it? I’m not sure.
My dad was born in Italy and had citizenship after I was born. I was born in Israel and now both of us are US citizens.. the embassy’s in LA are not helpful! If anyone knows anything about obtaining a certified copy of a birth certificate from Israel and Italy PLEASE let me know 😅😅 Thank you!
any update? in similar boat
I have both Irish & Italian citizenship by decent.
I was born in Venezuela but I got my Italian citizenship by my fathers side and I also have American citizenship. I have 3 passport but with what’s going on I would prefer go back to my country of birth before the hammer drops here. Venezuela already went through hyperinflation and they use all currencies but the main is US dollars
you want to live in VZLA? Why?
Hope it goes well for you.
hello. does Italy have the same system or similar of France to get citizenship through education like France does: Graduates of French universities can apply for permanent residence or citizenship after five years of residence in the country. The term will be reduced to two years if the student successfully studies and participates in government programs. Grazie.
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I'm in year 4 of the Italian citizenship process. I started my application process right before COVID and that brought everything to a halt for a while. I've been working with a lawyer/agency that has offices in both Italy and the US, and it would have been nearly impossible without them. Depending on your circumstances it is possible to do it on your own but it has to be a very open-and-shut case and even then, you better have all vital documents at your disposal (with zero debatable issues), all of them perfectly bi-translated for legal requirements, and be ready to wait a year or two for a consulate appointment (and even then it's not guaranteed). To your point Andrew, I am 100% Italian on both sides, my father was even born in Italy but moved to the US as a child and Italy couldn't care less - because he was naturalized as a minor and will not be granted citizenship through the process I am undertaking via my Mother's side, and they have been married almost 40 years. If he also wants citizenship, he will have to apply separately as a spouse after my mother obtains her citizenship and then will need to wait another 1-3 years. Moral of the story: Citizenship by descent can be a giant puzzle and is mostly a game of patience and waiting.
Thank you for sharing your experience, Ross. Obtaining Italian citizenship through descent can indeed be a complex process, often requiring meticulous documentation and significant patience. Your insight highlights the challenges involved. For those seeking assistance and a smoother journey, our team is here to help navigate the complexities. Feel free to reach out to us for support during this process: nomadcapitalist.com/products/citizenship-by-descent/
My grandparents emigrated to the US from Sicily in the early 1900s and met here. They both became naturalized and probably had to renounce their Italian citizenship at that time.
But they had their children here before they were naturalized. My father has passed, but he probably had dual citizenship and didn't know it.
There seem to be a lot of immigration document apps out there. Is there one that is recommended over others for putting together citizenship by blood documents? I'd love to learn if I qualify for dual citizenship.
If you're looking to explore the possibility of dual citizenship through your grandparents, it's advisable to consult with professionals who specialize in citizenship by descent. They can provide personalized guidance and help you navigate the process more effectively. You can reach out to our citizenship by descent team directly through this link: nomadcapitalist.com/products/citizenship-by-descent/
Andrew, is the Polish Citizenship by decent easy to get? I would qualify for this 100%
You have to get all the documentation needed and then it takes a while but can be done if you have the right items
i got the seinfeld reference
Plenty of Australian citizens have had to renew their passport at an overseas consulate because they had cancelled flights home or were on a long waiting list and had to pay an extra $130 for the privilege of renewing outside the country on top of all the extra BS bureaucracy to do with photo size and lighting etc.
I'm in the process of obtaining my 2nd Citizenship (🙏🏽 by November 2022, might have to wait until 2023 now😢).
I can relate to this young Lady's story. I live in another State but was born in Illinois.
I tried 2x by mail (sent Money Orders) Calling several times by phone, to obtain a much needed Document.
Now I have to travel clear across the US, to try and obtain this Document. Very trying but it's worth it, for my 2nd Citizenship.
Birth certificate for Italian nationality italian passport must be from normal entry? plz ans me request
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What documents are required for an Italian citizen
Just looked into it (jure sanguinis) and it would take 3 years before I could get an appointment with the Italian consulate in my area. I was told Covid-19 had thrown schedules awry. Then it might take up to another year to get all the required approvals and ducks in a row. I wanted to hire an immigration service to help but they wanted $8,000.00. Add to that the bureaucracy is immense and there is NO guarantee that things will go smoothly, you may have to make a few trips back and forth from the USA to Italy and back again. If you are young and have plenty of patience, time and money then go for it; most of us don't have those luxuries.
It’s faster , easier AND cheaper if you marry an Italian 🤣🤣🤣!
@@itadrummer1 My current wife may not approve but then again I guess I could ask, she wants to move too. lol.
@@2cartalkers I live in Florida , the greatest and freest state of all , alo g with TX. Just the idea of leaving freedom and quality of life behind to jump on a plane heading to Italy to relocate there makes me puke 🤮 ( and this is an understatement!).
@@itadrummer1 One person's meat is another person's poison. To each his own.
@@2cartalkers well , good luck once in Italy , you really will need it ALL !
is there really a passport for members of knights of malta...knights of malta passport? how about how to get a vatican citizenship and vatican permanent residency, is this real?
what I mean is rome citizenship.
Cara, acho que só dá pra você ganhar residência no Vaticano se você virar Cardeal 😂😂😂😂
Hey, My name is Imtiaz Emon. Um from Bangladesh. Recently I have decided to move at EU and I am trying hard to move at Hungary with work permit visa. As I said I am looking to move at there I will like to move there permanently. So here is my question do there have any possibility to get citizenship at there by investment program or will how can I get citizenship of Hungary by going with work permit visa. I need some suggestions.
Hungary doesn’t like Muslim people try Singapore or Jakarta more friendly to Muslim
Best thing to do is check the consulate website for the country you are interested in and look for the information you want. Everything you need should be there with lists of cost and processes that are available for whatever visa you want or need.
Malta is the only country in the EU that offers citizenship by investment. So maybe look into Malta if you can afford the cost?
To get the Hungarian citizenship, you will need to live there for 8 years to qualify
@@1queijocas @T Meadows de Gil Thank you so much for ur information. I had talked with someone and he advised me that maybe I will be able to move to LATVIA from Hungary after sometime. And maybe i will be able to get citizenship of Latvia by investment program. I am not sure about it, as I said someone had advised me so what do you guys think about it?
@@tmeadowsdegil2014 Thank you so much for ur information. I had talked with someone and he advised me that maybe I will be able to move to LATVIA from Hungary after sometime. And maybe i will be able to get citizenship of Latvia by investment program. I am not sure about it, as I said someone had advised me so what do you guys think about it?
I am so confused..Andrew Please help!!
Great Great Grandmother Katrina born in Luxembourg
Great grandmother Gertrud born in Germany 1899 came over when she was 19
She married my Great grandfather Jozef who was ( Austrian Polish) Prussia?
He was born 1898 Zablocie?
Various times in their forms Austria was listed then crossed out to Poland
Jewish ancestry 10s if not 100s of my ancestors slaughtered during Holocaust
And his parents also Jozef ( born in Osiek ) and Mother Barbra ( born and both passed in Meidzybrodzie ...never left and some how survived they passed in the late 40s...
Where the heck do I start or which do I go for?? It's obvious that area changed hands a few times...but the research has me scratching my head! And I have a half Aunt who has done a ton of research, but my entire immediately family passed away when I was 19, and worse, whatever original documentation I had was lost in a California Wildfire in 2015. Ugh....and I don't trust any websites that have popped up promising to help in the last 5 years as you have mentioned in your videos..rip offs?? And I read somewhere one of these- has a deadline of Dec.2022.....time ticking
I can do you one better than the situation this woman is in. I'm trying to do the same thing with Italy and I had an easier time getting my great-grandparent's birth certificate from the late 1800s. I wrote letters in Italian (using google translate) to random municipalities in the districts in Rome (I tracked these addresses down from the ship manifest my great grandfather took to come to the U.S., and figured out what district would have his records based upon that address). I sent letters and paid the minimal fee. The major holdup for me is finding out I had a grandparent get an annulment in NYC that nobody knew about. I contacted all the clerks' offices in NYC - and they all said no record is available. Checked all the churches and parishes too, but nothing. I'm basically at a standstill until I can find a document that proves my grandfather received an annulment. Any suggestions for professional companies I can hire to track the document down?
I know my reply is late, but maybe the Vatican can help you?
No need for dedcent here in Canada or the US, just walk across the border and your in!!!
It scares me to get multiple citizenships when people talk about other nations besides the US beginning to tax their citizens no matter where they are in the world.
not a expert but i doubt italy do this. to be taxed you have to own either business or property in the country, or live there
What if someone wants to sell her Italian citizenship, is that possible? But stays a resident whenever she is there as her late husband was Italian. No intention to return to live in Italy any longer, what's the point keeping her citizenship,, she says.
Maybe in one or two centuries you could sell your Italian citizenship, who knows, but for now this is total bullshit 😂😂😂
Seems like this is more of a thing for European or Latin American countries. I will tell that my heritage is from a country where dual citizenship is illegal. I am the son of immigrants from India. I am born in the USA. I could get an Indian passport, but why get a 'useless' passport and citizenship compared to my current US stuff?
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Every single time I hear of someone who wants to get the Italian citizenship without having the slightest idea of the ruthlessness and viciousness of the notorious Italian bureaucracy I start laughing 😂. For you gringos out there , if you already complain about the lengthy and mostly inefficient U.S. bureaucracy, you haven’t seen anything when it comes to Italy , my native county , the country where I was born , raised and educated and where I spent the first thirty four years of my life !I escaped a quarter of a century ago from that environment precisely for this reason and now there are people WILLING to throw themselves into the “ quick sands “ of a country where no right is guaranteed , where wealth is seen like something to be ashamed of , where personal safety is just a wishful thinking , where the public administration is notoriously among the most inefficient ones in the western world … I could go on and on forever ! Masochists of the entire world, you have NO IDEA of what it could mean living in Italy in 2022🤣🤣🤣WAKE UP AND STOP WATCHING HOLLYWOOD MOVIES !!!
Hahah , I hear you . I qualify for this program and my
Aunt who lives in Italy went to the villages where my
Ancestors lived . She had to get birth and death certificates . Well , we cut the process from getting the docs from a few years to obtain to a few days . I will not tell you how we did this , but use your imagination …
@@anthonyluisi7096 in Italian we called this process “ pagare la bustarella “…..😉😎
@@itadrummer1 , haha , yes indeed …👍🏻
And then there is the Italian Drivers License! Written Exams in Italian only. 90% correct answers. Then attend a driving school to prepare for the "road test". Show up when the government agency tells you to, pay for their car (manual shift ), and have an audience in the back seat, that is, the other kids taking their tests. Italy does not recognize American drivers licenses. You get to live that sick feeling in your stomach, just like when you were 18.
@@roncarguy6361 the American driver license “ test” is a true joke compared to the Italian one . Of course you MUST know Italian if you apply for an Italian drivers license : that’s the ONLY language spoken in Italy ( at least officially , that is !).