Why do ninja have scrolls in their mouths | ninja magic
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- In this video Antony Cummins explains how the ninja came to be seen using scrolls in their mouths and using animals such as toads to represent their transformations. This idea comes from Edo period theatre known as Kabuki.
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Antony Cummins is a historical researcher who focuses on samurai and shinobi history, his aim is to understand just what the samurai did and how they did it. On this channel you will learn along with Antony about the deep traditions of the samurai and will explore with him the secrets of long forgotten Japanese scrolls. For those interested in: #ninjutsu, #martialarts #ninpo, #bushido, #Gunpo, #heiho, #gungaku, #shurikenjutsu, #shuriken #kenjutsu, #sojutsu #shinobi #ninjatechiques #yagyu #musashi #bookoffiverings and so on. This is the place for you.
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My friends from California always thought the scroll was a depiction of a joint....🤣🤣🤣
The context for the scroll in the play was a list of conspirators in the story,
he snatched it as a mouse before transforming back, still holding it in his mouth
Arrrrgh! I've been doing it wrong all these years! Holding donuts in my mouth while setting off pest control foggers at my feet.
Thanks. I've wanted to know this for 35 years or so.
Antony, the "scroll in the mouth ninja magic" thing is definitely from kabuki theater, although it's possible that the characters in those plays originally were NOT supposed to be our beloved "shinobi no mono". That they were supposed to just be sorcerers that used "secret arts", but NOT "shinobi no jutsu".
thank you very much very interesting
The idea that the ninja in black comes from kabuki does not come from the idea that the guys in black there are ninja. They wear all black (this is also used in bunraku and other puppet theater) to represent that they are not supposed to be seen. Basically, the audience was/is supposed to treat them as invisible. So, the idea is that in block prints the black was used to show that the ninja are not seen. Not saying this is where the image of ninja in black came from. But, in the video it seemed like maybe there was some misunderstanding. Although I may have misunderstood what you meant as well. I have heard a couple of other thoughts about the scroll in the mouth. One comes from a play (the name escapes me) where a “ninja” is hired to steal a scroll. When he is discovered, he grabs the scroll with his teeth to do the “ninja vanish” kuji. The other is that the scroll represents the magic that is being done via the kuji. I am not saying any of these are right, or what you say in the video is wrong. It could be one of them, a mixture of them, or none of them at all. I admit that I am not sure, but putting these other ideas out there as well. The kuji themselves come from, or are at least influenced by, Buddhism. They are called mudra मुद्रा in Sanskrit, and are a part of Hinduism and Jainism as well as Buddhism. I am not sure though if they were part of the pre-Hindu Vedic religion. In Japan, they were most heavily use by esoteric Shingon Buddhism, and the mikkyo aspect of Tendai Buddhism. They are called insou/inzou 印相 and kakunin-in 確認印 in Japanese Buddhism. (sorry for the long comment)
Sir, have you read any of the translated shinobi documents that Antony's team worked on? A lot of them outright say "wear black when performing shinobi operations" and to "paint your face with black ink". I've even read other scrolls that his team didn't work on, and they suggest the same, wear black clothes of some kind when performing secret missions. So the image of the ninja wearing black actually doesn't come from kabuki theater at all, it's something that samurai who worked as shinobi or were trained in shinobi arts wrote down themselves.
You're absolutely spot on though about stereotypical "ninja magic" actually being Tantric Buddhist magic, which itself is like a blend of Daoism, Shinto, and Buddhism.
@@alittlepuertoricanboy1993 I did not say that it came form kabuki. I was explaining why people have/had that theory. It is not that the people in black on the stage are meant to represent ninja, which seemed to be what Mr. Cummins thought. I was talking about the origin of the idea which he mentions, but sounded like he might have misunderstood. Although perhaps I misunderstood his meaning as well.
@@SengokuStudies And I too misunderstood you, my sincerest apologies. People keep spreading that myth still to this very day, and I'm not sure why, because we have copies of Edo period shinobi documents for English speaking audiences, even ones Antony's team didn't do. So we can say what shinobi no mono did or didn't wear.
Maybe the origin of the scroll in the mouth thing came from the Shinobi Hiden where you hold a piece of paper in your mouth to silence your breathing.
Not to forget, many many many kuji no in styles, assign each of their kuji to a different External deity than the other styles, there are popular line ups of the deities, but there are many different ones aswell. To get in touch with that external aspect of some deity that you have to call up, one has to get in touch by initiation or something by someone who Is in touch with that deity.
Mikkyo looks at the world from two points of view: Conventional And Ultimate.
From a Conventional point of view: Mikkyo sees deities as some energy pattern Within yourself ASWELL as an External force that one can call up
From an Ultimate point of view: there is no external/internal, there is only Onness.
Maybe I think there are some kuji styles that use only the conventional way and or only calling up energies that are only within, where one would not need to get initiated or brought in contact with an external deity.
The standard 9 mudra are easily to memorise by noting the pattern:
1 one pointed vajra 2 great and vajra wheel.
On the other hand you have the pair of OUTER Lion and INNER lion.
Then you have the pair of OUTER bond and INNER BOND.
Then the more spiritual ones: wisdom fist where you grab the pointing finger. Then the Ring of the Sun and then the Marici hidden form
Ps: if peoplethink naruto, naruto uses Almoust Totaly diffrent mudra, and more so to speak associated with the zodiac
Cheers mate
It's interesting, a role playing game I played the ninja could transform into a tengu (half man half crow). Which were meant to train the samurai. It was an interesting story.
It sounds cool, which game is it?
Have you watched/read any anime/manga about ninja or samurai? There's plenty of great ones
I thought maybe the scroll in the mouth would literally represent word of mouth :)
The original image features a sorcerer named Nikki Danjoo, who has transformed himself into a rat in order to steal the scroll. The scroll is still in his mouth as he transforms back into a human. The scroll has nothing to do with the spell or ninjutsu.
Sorry everyone, no strawberry flavored ninja scrolls.
Brilliant. I was trying to find the reason out about a year ago, I suspected it might have to do with Jiraiya Noah Plays. Though Anthony one question: is there any reason why its always the Kuji 'Retsu' (Dimension?) is there a reason why that and symbol and not the others? Why was that *particular* hand symbol conveying a particular meaning to the Japanese in the Edo period and why it's specifically to ninja? Why not any of the other hand symbols?
It's actually normally different than retsu. Sometimes it's to-iri-in (remote space-time entry) or to-in (sword of Fudo Myo-o in the sheath).maybe the sword one is more common, because from there, one performs kuji-kiri.
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It’s to stop them telling they are vegan! 🤪
Dude scrolls taste good.....
I just thought it was a oral fixation >.>
i can understand that black clothing was behind de stage hiding for special effects in de dark. dat black clothing with hide in associated. dat later put on ninja.
Why the weird eyes?
I love the ninja, just saying 🍺👍
I have the Book of Ninja guys it is really good you should get it. Also it's the same color as Naruto's hair.
Basically Naruto before it was even Naruto 😂
AFAIK the Naruto comic was based on the folktale "The Tale of the Gallant Jiraiya" or "Jiraiya Gouketsu Monogatari", which was still a popular folktale in Japan when the comic was first published.
@@shade9592 yeah. I know.
You do know there are 81 kuji-in and not just 9
I’m yet to find an original document for that but will look
@@AntonyCummins I don't think there is an original document, the only two writings that I know of that speak of the 81 is Steven Hayes and one of Ashida Kim's books, it would be great to finally know the truth/ 81 or 9 but according to Jesse Shanks of Maryland who trained with shoto tanemura, the 81 are supposed to be different than the ones found in Buddhism