Swimming Pool Heat Pumps - How they Work
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- In general swimming pools can be heated very efficiently by using a heat pump. They are efficient because they are not making heat but rather moving it from one space to another just like a heat pump (or AC) in your home. Unless you want to heat your pool in extremely low temperatures (in which case you likly would not be swimming anyway) a heat pump is the best option for cost effectively heating your pool.
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The unit heats up fast and is super quiet. It looks fancy ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxl8Od2BvnGbn1ffwqsuFXW0QnmcZgMiVY and can be kept in the living room. It gets hot within a split second of turning on the unit. The build quality is exceptionally good and is safe to be around kids and pets. This one is super quiet and can be kept on while in office meetings, my wife loved it. It shows the temperature right on the unit which is very useful and adding a rotating feature helps to heat up the surrounding, so other people will not fight with you for heat. It is right as described in the description..!! Definitely recommend!!
Would this make sense in Northern California? We rarely go below 30’s at the most in winter and we are looking to keep the pool at least 5/10 degrees warmer and we can supplement later with a gas heater. Our gas here is very expensive with PGE
Yes- So long as you have a gas heater to supplement the COLD times you would be happy with that set up.
Everyone says it can't be done but I think you should be able to cool your house and put that heat in the pool. Maybe the pool can't take all the heat from the house but why have one unit taking heat from the house and putting it in the air and having a unit taking heat from the air and putting it in the water. One unit takes heat out of the house and puts it in the water. If you need more heat taken from the house and the pool don't need it then the other unit takes heat and puts in the air outside! Less power used!
Donald Smith This Old House had an episode where they took warm air from the air conditioner to heat a pool.
Heat exchanger will do just what you are saying ,as Tony M said ,This old house has a clip on an install of a heat exchanger ,check it out ,I think is a good option if you have the a/c unit and the pool equipement on ghe same side of the house .
That's a good idea they have hot water recovery systems for AC units they have been out for years they preheat the water bn innyour hot water heater the same principle or system seems like you could use it to heat pool water too.
I work in a pool store and the whole store cools down significantly when the heat is running
Does the unit know when it’s no longer “efficient” or Is this determined by the operator after running for 8 hours and noticing there’s no heating going on? I’m curious if heating elements around the evaporator would help unit operate in cold climate, probably not efficient.
Yes. The Heat pump looses efficacy as it get colder. It will stop completely if the air temp goes below a set temp. This temp varies by model and setting. Usually that's around 45f. Most folks are not swimming in those temps anyway.
I was thinking did reversal flow could take Carbon dioxide out of houses when they're on fire in smoke consumes the house. This Could keep the fire isolated.
I have this heat pump for my pool and it's stuck in system lock down mode.... how do I fix it?
These things are just like air conditioners for your swimming pool or if your Central A/C unit for your house is near the pool equipment just like mine is use the heat from your household central A/C unit to heat your swimming pool simple as that.
How do you do that , what equipment does one need to be able to do that
@@blaaqgenie3330 just put a water pump in on the ac unit and the heat from the Ac unit that is heat blowing out of the house will heat the pool water.
Good to know.
Love your video... can you help me with a situation with the heat pump at my work place? It's showing a error code "HPS" can you tell me how I should approach this situation so it can be up and running again. It's a Aquacal heat pump as well
The is a High Pressure Switch. Contact Aqua Cal. They can help.
Can you have both types? Maybe hooked up parallel with bypasses (if you even need to do this) Have you ever done it? Heat pump for most of the season, gas for when you need extra heat faster.
Yes this is possible. They are plumbed in parallel. Some heat pumps have processors that can control a backup heat device. If not you can always turn one on and the other off as needed or run both. They key is that that are plumed in parallel NOT series.
Doing a pool build this spring. Live in Minnesota. Isn’t natural gas cheaper then electric? How do the two compare in running cost? Would a natural gas only make sense if heating the pool occasionally vs constantly each month.
Natural Gas heater are cheaper to purchase. By a lot. Once you consider the cost to run the gas or propane line to the heater the all in cost might be a bit closer to that of a heat pump. Though potentially less of an upfront investment, a gas heater will almost always cost more to operate then a heat pump. Gas is usually more expensive then the electric needed to operate a heat pump. For your area you have another consideration due to your colder months. A heat pump may not have enough 'get up and go' for what you want to do. I have pools that i have installed on and around Lake Erie. MOST of the those pools have gas heaters so that they can heat the pool deep into the fall season and very early in the spring even thought the air is cooler. For those customers the loss of efficacy is worth the speed of heating and added season range.
Thanks for the video! Is there any issues using schedule 40 PVC with the hot water? I would have thought you needed copper or black pvc or something? Thanks!
Schedule 40 will go into the mid 100's F. No worries. Check the stamp on your pipe for temps and pressure.
My pool Heat pump was not working its show over heat what is the reason
Hello. My moms heating system, the touch pad isnt unlockyng, what should i do?
Could this heat pump be installed in small room where all installation filter pipes are? It only has a bar swing door for ventilation?
Installing a pool heat pump in any sort of enclosure will result in massive decrease in efficiency. The room / space will become too cold for the unit to work VERY quickly.
Do you know if you need 24 inches of clearance on all sides of the heat pump? The Hayward 140 BTU instructions state that should be 24 inches of clearance on all sides. Do you know if that’s necessary or can I install it the way you have it?
The reason for the spacing is to insure adequate air flow thus providing the heat for the heat pump to remove and put into the pool water. Them more air (and heat) the better the heat pump will perform. In this installation the client wanted the equipment screened and hidden so they added the fence after the pool was installed. This is not a problem and will not damage the heat pump but it will cause the heat pump to work harder to accomplish the same work load. Also in this case the equipment in located against and masonry wall on the SOUTH WEST side of the house giving it nearly full sun. The sun exposure is a huge factor when installing a heat pump. This same set up would not be recommended on the North side of the house.
The manufactures typically ask for that to insure that even when people 'Cheat' there is still adequate air flow. If you are tight on one side you will be OK. Particularly if the heat pump is in the open, and on a South or West facing wall.
Can I use two heat pumps in a series loop?
Thanks.
You can....It would have to be plumbed parallel though. Heater one would do all the work and heater 2 would always see warm water and never cut on if plumbed in a series. Why would you want to do this? It's almost always better to by a bigger heater than install 2.
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Can you use it with a geothermal ground source for year round indoor pool?
I have seen that done. It only makes financial sense on an indoor pool and only as an independent system not shared with the house.
How long would it take to heat up a 17000 gallon pools in Phoenix during the fall and spring? Let's say the water temperature is 60 and I want to bring it up to 85?
Thats too hard to say with just that information. Size of heat pump, air temp, wind, surface area of the pool, cover type, direct sun, heat pump placement ALL have large factors in the speed of recovery. If you want FAST than you need to go gas.
So these pool heat pumps are AC units releasing cold air to the atmosphere. Any reason why this system couldn’t be combined with, or substitute for, your house AC unit? Basically, transfer the heat from your house into the pool.
If you can figure out how to do that it would be a game changer. It seems like it should make sense but there is no viable way at this time.
Check out hotspot energy. They have a unit that can connect to your a/c line set and heat your pool.
Is it really running backwards? is the txv metered into the Condenser coil? of course not we are pulling heat out of the Air, the outside air just like the inside air but outside right and so it gets cold the water is heated because we dump the heat into the water instead of the Air Anyway, just like on a boat it is not running backwards my friend. Even with a reversing valve it still does not run backwards because suction on the compressor always remains suction same as discharge line these two are fixed and never change. But I do have a question what is the pool heater BTU with a 5 ton compressor about?
'Running backwards' was meant to help people with less then your HVAC understanding. Just trying to help explain the concept. Troll on my friend.
I have a astral pool 24 kw heat pump and wanted to ask if there's a way I can connect a pipe from the pump to the drain for the condensation or whatever you may call it? When the pump is on there's constant water on the floor and it really annoys the crap out of me. Is there a way I can fix this or is thus just hiw these pumps work?
We don't use that brand and unit but my guess is - Yes. Most pool heat pumps do have a way to drain / channel the water away from the unit and into a more desirable area.
I have a titan brand heat pump. How do I clean the outside of it? Can I spray it down with a hose?
Should be just fine. There are heat pump / air conditioning cleaning products out there that you spray on and rinse.
@@LuxuryPoolsandLiving thank you!!
I'm not seeing a shunt across the pipes entering and leaving the heat pump. How do you get the flow rate through the heat pump right without one?
A bypass is not required and more heater manufactures are going away from them as the 'preferred' installation method. The concern is poorly balanced water left in the heater and then the heater bypassed. It has proven to be better to let all the water go through the heater then risk leaving bad water in there.
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That's very interesting. Thanks. I guess not all installers understand how to correctly set up the bypass. But I do believe that each heat pump has a sweet spot where the flow rate of the water gives the greatest efficiency. Maybe the manufacturers got fed up of warranty claims from systems not set up correctly, too?
Best wishes.
Yeah the vsf pumps can really get the water going. With a max of 110 gallons . Sometimes could start a back pressure problem. And they say a check vavle age the heater. Because of the salt cell
Could you get a wiring diagram to show how to wire the heat pump
Should be able to 'Google' what you need. It is just a 220 hook up. 2 hots and a neutral.
From you experience what’s the best heat pump pentair or Hayward? Or any other one? In terms of efficiency and parts?
I don't have experience with Hayward heat pumps. Everything we did Hayward we have gotten away from for Pentair. As for heat pumps specificly we have found Tropical to be the best line for value and efficiency.
This is awesome thanks
What if u want to swim through the winter like I would? Thinking in future building outdoor pool but we live in Indiana I like to swim even if it’s cold out since it’s in the back yard. Is that not possible? Instead of summer short months only. We swim at the local Y in the winter season but rather up grade to my backyard without building the pool in doors.
Yes but not with a heat pump. A gas heater would be the best for that set up. More expensive to operate overall but it will heat no matter how cold it is outside.
@@LuxuryPoolsandLiving Oh wow thank you very much!
Can a heat pump be built into a small greenhouse to allow it to opperate year round?
Depends on how much heat is in the green house. A heat pump would cool a large space and remove the heat quickly.
Are there some heat pumps that heat and cool your pool
Yes there are. They are called chillers and will run in 'reverse' to remove the heat from your pool.
I have a question
my heat pump doesn't work anymore water temp stays around 79F but it was working two week ago water got too hot I had to close the system but now my outside Temp are 25°c to 30°c with very cool at night for now in Canada and can't seem to heat up anymore stays around 76F to 79F
What is the best way to figure out if I got to buy a new one or its probably cold nights giving it hard time
Thank you
Hi, can you tell me what is less expensive. Leaving the heat pump always ON ( and mine runs all night) or set it 4 over 4 hours on and off?
Leaving a heat pump running and NOT turning it on and off is the most efficient. The start up is uses a lot of electricity . ALSO run the pump and heat pump in the hottest hours of the day for the most efficient heat- when the air is outside is hot.
Can a heat pump be installed in the roof?
Yes it can. Installation codes similar and related to roof top AC installations would likely be applicable. Plumbing would need to be well strapped and possible a more powerful pump to get the water up there.
how about for south west florida?
PERFECT place for a heat pump. Might even want to consider a chiller. Thats a heat pump that runs backwards and cools when the pool is hot.
Hi good morning
HI, SO I GUESS IT WONT DO MUCH IN 14 DEGREE TEMPS. ?
We have units that can work in the 40's and even 30's but no lower.... odds are your not swimming at those temps anyway.
If youre really smart, you can heat the pool and cool your home with the same heat pump!
In the winter you can even use the heat pump to heat your home!
what kind of heat pump is it
This is a Tropical by 'Team Horner'
well done,,, could you please let me know how i can size the heat pump for my swimming pool.... my swimming pool is about 70000k litter of water
Most manufacturers have a list of what sizes will be needed for a particular size pool. Keep in mind that the overall volume is not always as important as the AREA of the surface of the pool. Coupled with variables such as geography, direct sunlight on the heat pump, safety cover or no - the manufacturer can properly advise the appropriate size of heat pump.
My pump says my pool is 95 degrees, no way pool temperature is set for 84 , pump won’t turn on because it says my temp is 94. What do I do
Sounds like a bad temp sensor.
This must be a single speed compressor vs an inverter compressor
Can I swim in winter?
Depends on the model of the heat pump and where you are. Michgan- No. Tennessee - Maybe.
@@LuxuryPoolsandLiving thank you for replying. Now for a better question: I'm all electric so I would most likely use a "heat pump" not a heater. So what would the accompanying hot tub use to reach those 100° degree temperatures? And why couldn't I use that on the pool to raise the temps on cold days?
Makes as much noise as my AC/Heater, thats a lot of ambient noise
The heat pump wasn't running because the silver fan wasn't turning.
One $$$$$ then again if you can afford a pool that big, you can afford that.
Ugh. Why not actually us the air conditioner to heat the water? That’s free, AND your AC gets cooled for free. If it’s too cold to run the AC, it’s too cold outside to swim.
If you can devise a system to do that it may change the way pools are heated forever. -Cheers.
Who wants to jump in a hot pool or a hot day
the most efficient way is SOLAR HEAT
5 to 8 degrees...per 24 hours?
That would mean both your pump and your heater would have to run 24 hours to get a 75 degree pool to barely swimmable?
Yea no thanks
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