Introduction to the fly press - blacksmithing
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- Опубліковано 20 лют 2018
- A fly press or screw press is a great forging press in the blacksmith shop. These simple and reliable presses are only limited by tour imagination. bending, punching, chiseling, tenons, you name it.
The hinge rolling tool is from Stoney Point Forge at www.stoneypointforge.com/
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Your shop is an endless source of "oh, I want one of those', but also learning a lot about what I can do with what I actually already have. Thanks again.
Dawn you are really a working man
You just put a bandage on your finger and kept on working
Respect and credit
Keep up the good work
Right on!
if i close my eyes i see Ron Swanson teaching me about the fly press.
I just got the opportunity to get an E.A. Adams #2B from an estate and was not sure if it could handle blacksmithing, it's at least 100 yrs old. Thanks, you just made up my mind!!
Awesome video!! Thanks. Looks like my kids won't be going to college now.
I just saw a fly press for the first time yesterday. What a great looking machine. I am binge watching all kinds of videos to learn more about this type of press. Glad I found your channel SUBSCRIBED.
Welcome aboard!
Thank you for this....been hearing folks talking about fly presses and had zero clue what they were talking about.
Fantastic video, doesn't even scratch the surface on what you can do with a Good fly press. I will be purchasing one in the next 30 days from Pieh Tool. Thumbs up.
It has a lot more force to it than I would have thought. Very cool.
They can be quite powerful machines.
I'd love to try using one someday. I cannot imagine ever buying one.
Cool video John
Another great video, Thanks John!
John, Thanks for taking the time to post this. Was hoping you'd do a video on your press. Nice machine!
That press is awesome!!!! Thanks for sharing.
I really like that hinge jig. Thanks for sharing
Like that hinge eye tool!
Very good video, you are the best! Hello from Strasbouyrg, France
Just got a no.2 flypress for a steal of a price, really helpful and informative video giving me a direction on where to start with my tooling 👍🏻
They can be very handy
Hey any chance could you do a video of the fly press please, I'm looking to buy a Norton no 2 and was wondering if it's big enough to punch and to light forge with.
Thanks for your great video. I own 16 flypresses.
I definitely need to build a bigger shop, there are so many cool machines.....
Love it John love to see more on this
I will try to do several videos on specific applications
Great tool John! Very informative videos. I've been out of work for 8 months now, but I feel like I've taken a years worth of Blacksmith training!. Dale, Calgary Alberta Canada.
Nice video
John, That is a very impressive tool. Willing to bet you it has a ball nut up there. At leas the lead screw looks that way. We use something similar on heavy duty train car service lifts where the body gets lifted off of the trucks. Suppose you need to lubricate it from time to time. Really a cool tool, thank you for sharing.
that fly press is so beautiful wwoooooooooowwww!
Good one, like that press. So now I'm going out to do another leaf hook, and tomorrow I will attempt a candle stick out of 24mm round.
Keep on forging
I watched your pineapple twist video the other night and this was the first time I saw this tool, I had no idea it existed before seeing it. I am pleased you had this video as I now know more about it, and as a woodworker I will never own one (can't see it doing me much good with hardwood) but have learned something new. By the way those little hinges look great!
It would make a great dedicated mortiser.
@@BlackBearForge Except brute force doesn't make the best mortise, grin... I was very impressed with your use of it for the pineapple twist but your demonstration of the hinges was more impressing.
I've got a Norton #5 fly press. Absolutely brilliant! Do some more fly press videos.
I sure plan to.
I have a number 6. It weighs a lot, it was difficult to move into my shed. Well worth it though.
When I finally get my forge built I'm looking forward to making tooling for my old fly press. I hope you make some videos showing your press forging. I would like to see its flexibility. Thanks for your super videos, I love the short formats for quick lesson while I take a break from my shop and have a brew. All the best Mat
There will be fly press tooling in the future
Not to take away from John but Christ centred ironworks has a few fly press forging videos
That would be a handy tool to have in my Shop
It can be very handy
That would be a good place for the fence made with two of the switchable magnets.
That would probably work. Although the added table provides an easy place to clamp a fence.
I recently purchased a #5 Fly Press and I'm looking for recommendations on a style of anchor bolt for cement as there is a number of options out there leaving me confused.
In the UK there are loads of these on the used market for next to nothing!
Many of the ones available here are being brought over from the UK. Of course they are much more expensive after the trans Atlantic trip.
Hi, i have just bought a number 5 denbigh flypress. would you be able to tell me how you make a collar for the die tooling? I love your video's, your pecefulness is truly amazing. thank you for your video's, they make my day
I use shaft collars that you buy for machinery shafts
@@BlackBearForge Thanks for the info. had me stumped for some time! if you have any time or inclination, a video about bolsters ( hunton etc ) would be interesting. there is a lacking of useful flypress videos about. Thank you for yours.
Fly presses are great, but I'm way more intrigued by the hinge roller, especially because it looks like you didn't need to roll the whole hinge then cut out the knuckles. Though I suppose you could have done that off screen.
In this case there is very little forging or bench work. The hinges are precut then rolled. I will cover them as a specific video.
Does the fly press do well to set the welds for pattern welded steel?
I haven't used it for that, but it seems like it should be very good for that use.
Very cool!
What is the make and model? Price tag?
Thanks for the video...
John said in the video that it's an OLD WORLD ANVIL #5 Their Web site shows it at $1850
This is an Old World Anvils #6. Check there web site for models and pricing.
Black Bear Forge
Thanks...
Nice press, how many tons excerces?
I think it is 6 tons
Hi again, do you make your own hinge blanks? how do you do this please?
These are laser cut by Stoney Point Forge
Can it be use to forge-weld little patch of steel, or doing damascus?
I am sure it could be
@@BlackBearForge Thanks for the response.
I'm trying to start a little shop but I've not a lot of money so I look up for machinery that are effective and not too expensive.
Also your videos are very helpfull, keep up!
Afternoon mate looking at getting a fly press what weight would you suggest for domascus/Sam mai
The bigger the better, Up to a point. I wouldn't go smaller than a #5
Cheers mate much appreciated
I'm curious what's holding down that plate you're using to put your tooling on or are you just relying on the sheer weight of that plate to stay in place?
Its bolted to the press table which is bolted to the stand and the stand is bolted to the floor
@@BlackBearForge Thanks for the reply!
yeah go on, make me jealous.....
Really not my intent. But I'm glad you like it
Would a number 5 be sufficient for punching hammer eye/axe eyes?
It would be the smallest I would try that with. I still prefer punching by hand when compared to the fly press. Of course the power hammer is even better.
@@BlackBearForge thank you for the quick response. Helps alot trying to prioritize future tool purchases.
did you build this one or did you import it, I dont see many americans making these kinds of screw presses
As i mentioned in the video it is imported from India by Old World Anvils
ah I did not hear that part
Did you say your fly press is a no. 6? Or no. 8 are you satisfied with the size
its a #6
Can you drift a hammer with it?
4860 views 399 likes 0 dislikes. wow
weird that an introduction doesnt refer to cost and value, as that is useally the best aspect to put such an tool into relief for anybody looking into.
but perhaps they are "free"..in India where this dude got his nr6 from.
as anybody over sea, like here in scandinavia and other regions.. it is often very informative to sense prices in other regions, so spend a few moment to put cost an price in your video so the viewer can put it into perspective, particularly on an introduction... anyway thx for the vid+1..
Cost ranges from a few hundred dollars US to several thousand dollars US. It all depends on where you are in the world. In the UK there are lots of very good old ones quite reasonably priced. In my area you pay to have one imported and they aren’t cheap. This video is only a discussion of the tool and not a buyers guide.
@@BlackBearForge You state your purchased yours from India, perhaps put a sentence on cost, as in what did you pay for a nr6.??
Got a fly press but it's only a small one sadly no space for a large one
Samll ones can still do some interesting things
@@BlackBearForge just gotta make some dies for it now, would you recommend any particular metal for dies
It depends on the die. For simple shaping tools I usually use mild steel, but for chisels or heavy work tooling I use the same type of steels I would use for tools at the anvil, 4140, S7, 5160. I would also say that the more intricate a die is, the more important it is to make it ut of hardened steel so it lasts longer.
@@BlackBearForge thank you very much for assistance
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That's a pretty steep thread... Not much pressure compared to most.
I think the thread pitch is pretty similar to most fly press or screw press. This is rated at 6 tons, that is a lot of pressure for a hand operated tool and more than enough to bend 1" bar cold. The steeper thread is an advantage to gain impact force on the down stroke, it isn't just a matter of gentle squeezing pressure.
Great video, I would like to correct one minor misstatement, The lead angle looks to be around 35 degrees it doesn't matter that it is 4 lead threads on the rod or a 1 lead a thread on the rod - with a slope of 35 degree the lead travels up or down per revolution = pi x diameter x tan(35) = pi x 2.125" x tan(35) = 6.676" x 0.700 = 4.674" this is just ball park guess - the mean thread diameter should be used in this calculation but I could not guess how deep the thread was so the errors in this estimate are from how badly I guessed the angle and the depth of the thread. I believe both of my errors would reduce the vertical distance per revolution some. Thanks again, I think you inspired me to attempt to make a fly press this year they look super useful!
The Indians copied old British Pattern Fly Presses, if you look up a Denbigh Fly Press, you'll see it looks Identical.
Mostly because thats what this one is
If it was made in India it isn't a Denbigh, it's a copy.
Ha... I found a fly press for sale just down the road from from my house.... Guy wants 30 quid for it! BARGAIN!!
Great buy. Enjoy it