Who’s to blame for India’s 1962: bumbling Nehru, paranoid Krishna Menon or squabbling Generals
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
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In a well documented biography of V.K. Krishna Menon, India's second most powerful man during Nehru era, Congress leaderJairam Ramesh shines the light on what was happening in the Indian army in 1959-62. 'A Chequered Brilliance' tells the fascinating stories from the complex times of Nehru and Menon. Watch episode 366 of Cut The Clutter with Shekhar Gupta to find out more.
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can you olease make a video on 1971 war who was the mole you think in indira gamdhi cabinet
Why don’t you do cut the clutter about your story of ill imagined coup by General Singh during UPA what were your political compulsions
" India is still American slave and Ghulam country "- Russian Foreign Minister so India is always poor...
My dad joined Indian Army in 1967, when bitter memories of 1962 were still fresh. He had lots of senior JCOs and soldiers who had fought in 1962. Almost every one had same question to their seniors - Why India lost 1962 Indo-China war? The common response he got was - "Nehru ki mati maarigayi thi" (Nehru had lost his mind).
Many JCOs were glad that Indian politicians got the shock they needed. One sardar JCO told that "Chin ne Hindustan pe hamla karke hamaare uper badaa meherbaani kiyaa hai, Yeh log aazaadi ko sastaa le rahe the aur fauj ko majaak banaa diya tha" - (China did a big favor on Indian army by attacking India. These people [politicians] had started taking freedom lightly and had made Indian army a big joke).
My grandfather was in the army back in 1962. Though he didn't fight the war but his battalion was kept in reserve in case the Chinese invade territories further. He told me years back how the Indian army was prepared to push back the Chinese but the incompetent political leadership and few incompetent commanders of the army screwed the entire situation which led to more deaths of the jawans and global humiliation. The Chinese soldiers were not even in good shape to fight us but our own leadership failed everything. The Gandhian mindset definitely got the shock and after then till now Indian army and defense of India is taken extremely seriously. Thanks to the Chinese to show us the reality.
@@akshayg1096 It was Krishna Menon's Scheme but not Gandhian Mindset, Gandhi already told Patel and Nehru to take any decision in defense of country to protect it rather than consulting from him
India should have negotiated with China
@@shubhamjagtap108 which neheru failed neheru did a lot of food thigs but he made lot of blunders
This "Gandhian Mindset" politicians & the army (means here entire defence establishment) under that politician leadership fought & defeated Portugal in "Goa & other Portugal Colonial Azadi War" & Portugal faced a huge humiliating defeat. The humiliation was so vast, great & deep that they even could not able to bring the surrendered Portuguese defence personnels (near about thirty thousand comprising of army, navy, airforce & special operation force personal) directly to their country instead of the returned via Brazil after the war ended & those territories merged into India.
Interesting facts is that, Portugal was then an important & active NATO member country, and second, USA & UK (Great Britain) was actively supporting Portugal then even in UNO. Still India fought & win under those "Gandhian Mindset" politicians leadership.
Amusing, not???!!!!
Gen K S Thimayya was a very highly regarded combat officer in WW2. He once famously remarked "There are no bad soldiers, only bad officers."
As an army officer's daughter I can tell it has taken me monumental effort not to hate this man -- Krishna Menon.
Morarji Desai gave little money to the Ministry of Defense. He also was against the imports of MIG aircraft from the Soviet Union offered to India in March 1962 long before the war. MIG aircraft came to India in December 1962.
@@DipakBose-bq1vv typical gandhian woolly headedness or stupidity.
@@DipakBose-bq1vv chill dude leaders don't play diplomacy like mine craft
You are better than me. I served in the Army and I hated him for his screwing up the Army
It means,Now jairam Ramesh sees no future of congress. Such a bare fact...
This is what happens when darbar culture is used for advancement instead of merit.
saccha aadmi why did Shekhar Gupta forget to mention gen Thapar was married into the extended Nehru family???
@@sr-gu8bt and father of Karan Thapar!!
Because Gen Thaper was the father of a friendly journalist.
@@venkataapparaodontharaju1271 Haha true. Mr Coupta and Karan Thapar are old mates. Karen's Farher Gen. Thapar was incompetent general who screwed '62. These darbari journalists will never show Congress and their aka Nehru in negative light.
Thapar is the father of Karan Thapar. So we can imagine how deep the connections between Nehru-Thappar families go.
Wow, didn't know that
Nehru- gandhi family have family relations.
This is news indeed, all insidious characters looking after each other.
This is with almost everyone whom we are familiar and trust so much. If you start researching every person whom you have faith you will see all the connections.
Romila Thapar is Karans cousin.
This, hands down has to be the best CTC till now.
When you read articles about Field marshal Sam Manekshaw, you can instantly sense the dislike he had for defense minister K Menon and the friction between them. I always thought Menon was the sole bad apple that plagued the army institution, but now, I've learnt that are one too many.
There's a video of Manekshaw's lecture on leadership, where he tells the audience that you have to know what battles you should not fight, he cites an example that in 1962 Indian army was ill prepared to fight the Chinese and that the battle would, invariably, end in a disaster( Akin to what Gen.Thimayya believed). In another video, he openly states that K Menon always wanted to oust him .
It feels good when all the pieces of the puzzle fall in place, finally revealing the big picture.
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How can you not defend when China carried out the aggression?
@@ramachandrannarayanan2402 Henderson-Brooks report (IIRC)... It was there on net a few years back (not sure if it is still there), and it is pretty damning with regards to actions of the Indian government in the lead up to the 1962 war.
Menon was the only person who actively worked to avoid war with China.But a group of businessmen,politicians & generals engineered the war to pressure Nehru to oust Menon for monetary gains from arms deals.
Mm.
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Shekhar himself nearly ruined the career of a serving General few years back by concocting a Coup story.
Can you give more details on this?
@@sumeghk gen vk singh 2013 coup story
I've actually posted that in some of his previous CTC presentations and am obviously ignored by Coupta himself.
Yes, he did that to VK Singh (I believe), now in Modi's cabinet.
@@rtc675 Ben Isaacs.... Do I know you? I have a relative named after you
@@blesson87 Possibly, if you're connected to Singapore!
Ramchandra guha has rightly said that Indian communists love other communist nations rather than India.nehru with his wolly eyed world view thought he could fool mao but mao was no gandhi.once mao knew that usa would not intervene in a war due to then prevalent geopolitical scenario India's fate was sealed.high falutin big talk of civilisation buddha panchsheel could fool poor India but not mao.finally nehru met his match. Unfortunately poor soldiers paid the price for nehru lackies incompetance
even bombing balakot without showing world the proof of it and having one of our pilot captured in the process is a failure of india army and political leadership incometance behind it.
Ram Guha does not know anything but Gandhi.
@@pragyanshsingh6093 these people won't believe in armed forces,they want proof of everything, that's why India's development gets stalled,even a strong leadership under modi is viewed with suspicion
@@smtkumar007 Nonsense. When in a skirmish, you cannot be without any causality. We did very well indeed. Destroying their terrorists , downing their plane, their pilot killed, and ours back safe and sound.
@@pragyanshsingh6093 even today doklam incident made a fool of us. Everything started with them making a road , and ended with them constructing it completely with only difference that we had also build road. Neither we were able to stop them. only had to make a run for it and create our own defence . So stop this bull even today india don't stand a chance against china.Keep that other crap about nehru and ** that u have written with ur self no one asked for it.
Like krishna Menon,jairam Ramesh is also big time leftist
@@jhnknws1751 nah congress is full of joker's.
Pmkisan leftist nahi hai to kya rightist hai? india mai sab right hai aur sab left.
@@themeta_human aur bjp is full of intellectuals.
And how about we don't change names of any road anymore... Whosoever want to give name..pls make more roads and keep naming them the heck you want.... Atleast we'll get some infrastructure out of this namesake shit.
Its any day better than rss man. By the way your masters are celebrating Bhagat Singh shamelessly. After all the right-wing ecosystem is intellectually challenged anyways.
You forgot to mention Jeep scandal and that ordinance factories were made to produce coffee percolaters during VKK regime
Blunders are so many:
1.) Refusing UNSC permanent seat offer from both US in 1950, Soviets in 1955 and instead, Chacha Nehru fought and rallied for China's permanent seat !!!
2.) Hindi Chini Bhai Bhai and 1962 war
3.) Article 370 and overriding Sardar Patel on J&K
List goes on & on....
India was just independent and we were a poor country and not powerful enough to fight for the unsc seat since it was cold war between Soviet and USA and we did not want to be squeezed by them
@@infernolucifer4085 Here is wiki link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_China
China was no better in 50s and 60s, only difference was they really invested in army, strategic infra unlike Nehru!!!
Keeping aside lousy Leftist defensive argument, China was not even part of UNSC and could not hold a candle to world powers of that time (Soviets and US)!!!
This sort of defense could hold some water if Nehru took the offer and the India lost.
Just saying Indian would have lost anyway is what leftist historians would have wrote about Kargil war and Doklam too, Had Congress was in power at those times!!!
@@gauravsinghmail I am not saying China was a super power I am just saying India was in no position to accept the power and squeezed by the super powers unlike China India was a democracy and a very diverse country and poverty was one of the many reasons that plagued India at the time .there used to be clashes between the army all the time but not that publicised as doklam and nationalist leaders would defend it 1971 war it was Congress party to be fair It actually depends on the leader mindset and not the partyand
Kargil we had vajpayee.v k krishna menon then Defence minister so called evil guy was mooting for higher defence budget but was shot down by then finance minister moraji desai the pm jn could have over ruled this though
General K.S.Thimayaya was first cousin of General K.M.Cariappa.
Both of them were patriotic and
competent soldiers.
But, the debacle of 1962 was a boon in disguise for India.As this acted as an eye opener for
the need of updating the defence forces.
General J.N.Chaudhuri was brought to New Delhi by Dr.Radhakrishan ( President) just 5 months before his retirement from the service.
China declared unilateral cease fire on the evening of Gen.Chaudhuri's take over of command .
Then he resorted to the reorganization and modernization of the Army in a short period.
This effort was blessed by the then P.M.Lalbahadur Shastri ji and India was able to give befitting reply to Pakistani aggression in 1965.
V K Krishna Menon as Defence Minister lost India the 1962 War. Nehru placed him there after his UN debacle where the Communist Menon refused to criticize USSR for invading Hungary. This act damaged India's NAM (Non Aligned Movement) policy.
NAM was an utopic version, which did no good to India.
Menon was high commissioner of India in Britain. All his job was to take care of edwina, give love letters gifts of nehru to edwina...
Basically he was nehrus chuddy buddy
NAM allowed India to punch above its weight and also seek help from both US and USSR. NAM virtually made India the leader of the third world. After Menon's debacle US foreign policy hawks got an opportunity to malign India and isolate it from the US bloc countries.
@@kumudbartwal 😂😂😂😂😂😂Are you a bipan chandra fan? Or a congress supporter?
Because clearly, facts aren't on our side. We exhibited such good leadership skills, that none of our 'followers", supported us in 1962 invasion.
We lost footing in our own backyard, being excessively obsessed with Pak. Get a break man.
1962 , Awakening of India.this is blessing for India to became a powerful military force
Still can't fight china
@@Abidkhan-uw9vy i think my last reply got deleted for some cuss words apology for that..
I said you should search about sino-indian war 1967.
India answered Chinese misadventure in 1967...
@@Abidkhan-uw9vy and since 1962 China didn't even dare to think about China especially in the NaMo govt they think its better to leave India or else they will pay price with tibet. And don't worry you can complain soon as your POK will be completely unified under India
Remember kids, it’s all the Generals and VK Menon’s fault. Nehru is blameless even though he was PM.
Nehru is not blameless...he is a he PM, the leader. He was responsible for appointing menon and keeping him on.
That's why there is a saying :
Gentlemen Never Fight,
They Just Agree to Disagree,
Underlying player was ‘Nehru’, the buck stops with the PM, it’s Indian democracy.
Just like today
Sir can it be the case that Jairam Ramesh has written this book to shift half of the blame of the war from Nehru Menon to Indian army.
there is documented proof for whatever he has written.
@@MegaRazzzz then there was no need for him to write the book...just pompous indlish verbiage...they could have kept copies of the so called documented proof and those who wish to read such stuff could have done so and formed their opinion...
@@jayap3557 unless one is a researcher no way they will.look at those papers, so having books like this imo is a good thing
@@venpuiachongthu2144 by the same argument that you make...no body who will exert any impact on the social fabric or defense related analysis is going to read the book either - because it would be clouded by this writer's bias...which is very obvious...we know towards whom or what people like jairam ramesh and co lean towards and lean against... so again... for those who will cause an effect on society the papers are good enough...they will be unbiased and clearcut... such books that dont make any new point or force new thinking or are mere copy-pasting-editing are nothing more than a weight in libraries...:-)
@@jayap3557 yeah very true, but my point was that its still better than searching for it in some govt archives, tbh everyone has a certain bias so i think its good to read different ideas.
I was a schoolboy in Pune's cantonment and I had escorted a relative to the Military Hospital's Artificial Limb Centre. I cas shocked to see many jawans who had lost their limbs because of frostbite. They had been airlifted to the mountains in winter without warm clothing , gloves or proper footwear. There was a total logistical failure without which an Army cannot fight.
Best CTC ever watched, please do these things regularly.
Best part is when coupta talks about coup
Mr SG your coverage in a simple, concise and clear manner is just outstanding. Thank you a ton sir.
Thank you for your feedback!
Never i can imagine TV news channels doing what u do SG sir
This TV channel did not do anything worthy at all. It just lifted verbatim word for word what is there in Jairam's book. If anything it is a piece of lazy journalism on a lean week end.
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@@monojdas-gupta5918 absolutely... high time we stop praising these video journalists... worthless politicians who can only redocument pointless history - what do we get now from this sort of laundering...? even worthless members of the opposition with fake names...
Heart breaking to see these sycophants and people accepting such sycophancy...they never indicate acceptance of comments that criticize them...
they have the temerity to tell the PM of india that he does not face criticism...how convenient! pity such self serving professionals.
@john doe there you go again... d.trump in office - 2017 onwards...that makes it a little short of 3 years.
N.modi in office: 2001 onwards... that makes it a little short of 2 decades. Hope you see the falseness in your comment
Please do not mislead with false equivalences... wrong comparisons... and easy wool headed arguements...
NarendraModi has been vilified in the worst manner by the worst type of citizenry in the entire world... and it's entire political history so far...
Too bad that we are part of that citizenry...
@@ThePrintIndia oh god, you news guys will never change.
Fascinating. I grew up in that era having been born in 1937 with my father an ardent follower of Congress and also of Netaji. He woke me up in the middle of the night to hear Netaji addressing the nation from Singapore telling me that I will never forget this in my life. I read all the speeches of Krishna Menon at the UN running several pages in the HINDU to improve my English. I was in Europe in 1962 and sent my sweaters and blankets to the embassy so that the army will have enough warm cloths to fight the Chinese. I was an admirer of Krishna Menon for some time but later changed my mind. I also thought highly of Gen Thimayya and earlier Gen Kariappa. I am astonished how these people behaved in those days. I heard that Krishna Menon worked hard to develop a defense Industry in India and not be dependent on foreign arms suppliers. I am not sure of that even now. I hope we have more disciplined Generals now who do not betray the nation by confiding to foreign powers and politicians who are not narrow minded and insecure.
Chacha itne din jee kaise lie app
@@ashutoshlondhe3764 My comment is in English and post the reply in a language I can understand, If your reply is for others who understand your language you can post it as a separate post and not waste my time. It seems some Indians have forgotten the term courtesy and respect towards all and stick to their own prejudices under all circumstances. If you want me to understand your reply then post it in English. Thanks
Ohhhh Guptaji, what an irony that you speak of spooked by army chief coup attempts by Thimmaya in such an offhandish manner, when you yourself MADE UP such a story in the Indian Express. When will you make a joke about that story
A well researched book by Jairam Ramesh , well explained by SG.India did learn a lesson from 1962 debacle & fought a well orchestrated war in 1971!
Nation paid heavily for the friendship between Nehru and Menon. Nehru even got Acharya Kripalani defeated for Menon.
Acharya Kripalani was not in Congress when he contested against Menon.
On today's cut the clutter we have shekhar Gupta talking about one of his old classmates .
Lol what do you want? If people support nehru, menon they're biased, if people criticize nehru, menon also they are biased. Just make up your mind lol
@@theAraAra how exactly did you come at that conclusion?
@@mukulmishra4722 damned if you do, damned if you don't
@@mukulmishra4722 I often see comments on CTC when SG says something pro-Congress "I knew he was always a biased librandu commie." When he says something anti-Congress: "He'll show his true colors during election, he's still biased."
You can't have it both ways.
@@theAraArale sg cooking up stories about coup
When SG speaks about Indian polity and military, he is at his best. Enjoyed every bit of it.
Neharu is to be blamed
His trust on china caused us our territory.
Read up on the forward policy brother...you don't go to war with a power you don't have the ability to take on
@@Abhi-tb5ww ask to vietnam brother..
To defend our country most necessary thing the govt need is a spine and by the way in 60s India was far superior milletery than china search for fact before commenting and if it was other wise then also we should have defended us because when some one try to attck our mother we dont count the number of enemy
Neharu made several historic blunders including article 370, taking kashmir issue to UN, giving away indian islands to friendly countries, giving back the territory we gained back to pakisthan including 93000 POW, non alliance and 1962 was one of such blunder
@@nithinpavithran6509 It's said that a nation of lions when lead by a sheep like Nehru can be easily defeated and crushed by a nation of sheeps led by a single lion like China. India is no less than China and it never was but the only disability we had were our CR00K leaders like Nehru et all
@@ravisinh7000 true brother as i said in my comment most nessesary thing govt need to win a war is a spine
Lol....u ...nooobs ....hindsight is always 20 20 ...
Mr VKK Menon was one of the best political leaders of India. I was a young student when he gave his remarkable speech at the UN. The Congress made him a scape goat to protect others for their mistakes.
"our loss in 1962 war is a blessing for mother india in disguise. we can't move forward with non-violence principle of gandhi anymore"-Bhagwan Ji/Gumnami baba(Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose).
Lol,look how MR cupta is defending the masters.many scapegoat created by blind worshiper
Remember Krishna Menon was pro Soviet and a Marxist. He sympathized with Soviet style communism. Today they need to be reigned in again.
This loyalty to British by so called Indian army officers was the primary reason why POK was formed and handed over so easily without much fighting as the soldiers had no choice but listen to their commanding officers.. why are these guys not stripped of their ranks.. There are apartments and roads on these army crooks names in Karnataka as well..
rhinoboy you seem to be one of the proud old farts with a fake moustache living on a fat army pension and free /cheap quota of xxx old monk rum! Stop blaming the politicians for everything!
rhinoboy Now, you have made assumptions which I am not.. I use my balls for meaningful things and justifying with sane folks and not for wasting it on scumbags like you!
rhinoboy my previous response is valid for this as well! SCUMBAG!
What about communist minister?
Nehru got 6 votes and Sardar patelji. 13. Nehru became P.M. illegally, and India went into wrong hands of a betrayer.
Sardar said only 3 parties,
divide India into N. E.S.W zones, no calcutta , Madras, Bombay etc. etc.
Hindhi as one language compulsory
India to be a hindhu state.
No partition of India, No elections so early.
India has all problems Economically, politically etc. because ,Nehru did against what Sardar Patel said.
India would have lost whole Kashmir had Sardar
not interfered.
It is because of Nehru P.O.K emerged and the problems are manupulating.
It did take a long time for this revelation to come out
I think one of the very best ( if not the best so far) episodes of CTC.Keep it up
Wonderful analysis carried out in a way that the current generation would start believing it's the Indian Army who was solely responsible and not Nehru or Mennon for 1962 debacle. Also paying tribute to the writings of Jairam Ramesh's efforts for writing a monumental piece of history. Shekher is talking at many places India was evolving as a republic in those times and even President was not sure of his powers. Shekher very innocently casts aspersions on the integrity of General Thimmayya for sharing certain things with his neighbour then British Ambassador. Well for Shekher's reference Thimmayya was the only senior Indian Army Officer who had actually commanded troops in 2nd World war against Japan as a British Army Officer. General Thimmayya was the one because of whom India could secure the Zo-zila pass and Ladhakh from Pakistan invaders in 1947-48. Shekher also forgot to mention that till 1949 Indian Army was commanded by two British Generals. General Kariyappa took over as Army chief in 1949 after two years of independence. Now to say General Thimmayya was sharing with the British Ambassador is no big deal when the then PM Nehru was taking advice from Mountbatten on how to run the Indian Republic who came from a country which doesn't have a written constitution. This is a style of the geniuses to change the narrative in their favour by speaking and writing in polished way.
Fantastic SG .. looking forward for getting much more history lessons for you like this.. sadly I came to know of importance of knowing history after passing my school days. Would love to hear about the three mentioned PVC soldiers too in details.
One was asked to sum up Ramayana in three words. The interpretor said (in my language) - built, demolished & brought back. The bridge across the sea was "built", Ravana's citadel was "demolished" (& Ravana killed) and Sita was "brought back".
In 1962, a nearly non-existent Indian Army (much of the Indian Army should've moved there to fight but didn't, because there was no means for them to get there & IAF planes didn't fight !) tried to hold back a huge Chinese Army & got demolished in the act. On the other hand, we gloat over our victories over our sibling, weak Pakistan that is much worse off, a country that was grotesque with its two wings separated by two thousand km, with the big enemy country between. PRC found a rich opportunity seeing the Indian Army isn't at all upto its task. In that it is a stealthy (land) robbery. India learnt a lot after (from) it.
Indian government(Defence & Foreign Affairs ministries) when 1962 happened didn't know what is National Strategy. Its predecessor, the ruling British Imperialists who displayed all their strategic Acumen (without which they wouldn't have built an Empire that big, of a third of humanity on a quarter of land). What their heir (whose mettle the British knew) should've done, was, to continue their Defence (& External Affairs) policies, that as a geographic entity India needed and there is no compromise on that point. Like they rejected everything British, they rejected this too and that was foolishness. India by its very (unique) position needs to defend it at the head of Indian Ocean, for which the British positioned an aircraft carrier too. Geography thrust India in that inescapable position. The then statement of the PM, on Ladakh when PRC took possession of it by military means, "Not a blade of grass grows there", implying India doesn't need to protect it- is just short of Idiocy (or stupidity!). It means all useless land, except the Indo-gangetic plain isn't worth it. It betrays a bucolic mindset that "land" is only meant for tilling to produce crops (& grass in this instance). There can be no startegic land as per this mindset. Such a country is strategically doomed & doesn't deserve to be a "country" (ask any commentator from PRC ). When the British left, India still had a good fighting force (& an order for an Aircraft Carrier, that the British found redundant as they got themselves relieved form the onerous duty of defending the country's interest in the northern Indian Ocean).
Another point I want to make is the total lack of Maritime sence. It is just an about-face from what the British did (again). India never was a great global maritime power. Though the Chola kings (& a few other dynasties) had a big maritime activity & had their sway far into SE Asia that never belonged to India if you view India other than one with a capital in Delhi. In fact most dynasties who ruled from Delhi (so Vijayanagara Empire wasn't considered an Indian Empire, but within India) were derived from Central Asian stock. Central Asia is the remotest area from sea, on Earth and where generations have died without knowing what is "sea". They can't lead the destiny of India.
I heard this story. Emperor Akbar (his name means "great") had the biggest & most prosperous Empire of his time in the world, though the Iberians set out establishing their own overseas Empires. by then Akbar came to throne, (mere sixty years after Columbus found the Americas ). Once his (paternal) aunt, the sister of Humayun, Akbar's father wanted to perform Hajj pilgrimage and Akbar arranged everything for the voyage across Arabian Sea (that he might never have seen in his life time). She was put on a ship in Surat port, that was looted by Portuguese pirates a hundred miles away in the sea. Arabian Sea was dominated by the Portuguese, who by a quirk of a Pope, got Eurasia as their territory, while their fellow-Iberians got Americas as their territory. So she returned to the safety of Delhi. That was the fate of this greatest Emperor on Earth.
A truly great India must be sea-faring, sea-knowing & must look far beyond to Antarctica coast, in an Ocean named after her. India should have to fight many more naval battles with the Chinese (& win too), that all PRC naval vessels must think twice before crossing Malacca straits form the south.
Congress was always good un making scapegoats for thier failures
Krishna Menon refused to use airforce, which could have stopped Chinese aggression in 1962.
No, it was Nehru.
This episode was like sitting in a history class! Very interesting episode
It's funny that most Chinese have forgotten about1962, but the Indian just can't seem to let go of the memories of 1962.
My grandfather fought 1962...
Despite Gupta ji's channel writing articles & op-eds disconnected from reality these days, his experience and knowledge of the past is unmatched and parallel to none of his time. Probably his long stint at Indian express, India today helped him(not including NDTV, because you know..😜😜)
From the book of Jairam Ramesh and as explained by Sekhar, I come to the following conclusions:
1. A very well attempt was made to apportion at least some portion of the blame of 1962 debacle to army there by reducing the burden on Nehru and Menon!
2. The dispensation - both political and military was tightly under colonial grip during that time and
3. Patel’s ascendency instead of Nehru’s as against the wishes of MKGandhi, could have had a different situation, via a vis decolonizing of India!
Gen Thorat is remembered as an excellent General
Wonderful episode!!!
No denying that Indian politicians are to blame for mismanagement of the China war of 1962. What is most surprising, is that Indians are still happy to be able to speak in English and play cricket. As long as they cannot think of themselves solving their problems, they will have to beg one power or the other. No one wants to share India's problems.
Menon was not born at the right time - he could have become Lord Menon if he were born later.
It is wrong to put all the blame on him. Nehru was trying to be the leader of Asia. China shattered his aim in 1962
We are thankful archives remain for posterity for generations to come.
You are so loyal to the Vadra-Gandhi family! Amazing - hope the rewards are worth it.
Indians of this generation should make it a point to read Brigadier Dalvi’s Himalayan Blunder. Menon had a great command of spoken English and that’s it.
What Mr. Shekar Gupta fails to mention is both Gen. Thapar (F/o Karan Thapar) and Lt. Gen. Kaul who bungled up 1962 were related to Nehru. That was nepotism at its worst!!!
Karan Thapar has same "sulemani keeda" as his father P N Thapar
Outback and About
Spot on
Morarji Desai, not Krshna Manon, was responsible for the defeat of India. Indian media played a dirty game in 1962.
Major Shaitan Singh
Nehru and Nehru was responsible for the 62 debacle ... Nehru was very suspicious of Army and he thought at some point of time Army will carny out a coup against his government ... Nehru tried every thing to undermine Indian Army and at one point of time he was thinking of dis banding Army.
62 was a timely slap on the face of Nehru ...
Just realised, it's two years old.
Very well explained by you Sir.Nehuru's wrong choices and his leadership. Unfortunately he was projected more than he deserved just because of Motilal Nehuru's contribution to National movement
He was a scapegoat for Nehru
Do not forget that the then PM Nehru ji wanted to disband the Army as a police force and that had a deep effect on everyone.
Shekhar bhai does it really matter now, in today's context
And never repeat
@swetab singh but current regime doesn't need any advice. Matter of fact from anyone..
@@ajayhonrao4565 "regime" wow nice fancy word's 😆😆
@@rdxx4073 for your kind information it's a proper word which can be used in civilised society 😂😂
@T-800 China is not a threat for India.... The only threat India faces is the Lutyens Cabal run by Nehru-Gandhi dynasty and it's uprooted now... The day the dynasty will be eliminated that day India will be secured.... String of Pearls??? 😂😂 that's called silk road and has been in existence since millenias but the Western media propaganda have taken a toll on you and you are pretty paranoid fear monger
Krishna Menon might have forgotten to sever his umbilical cord from China. And this love for his ' mother's land' could have led to his head turned to other side in 1962.
Both menon a communist and nehru also a communist in the garb of a socialist are responsible for 62 war with chinese and additional kashmir problem Nehru's contribution to India.
At the end of the day, Nehru is to be blamed. He chose K Menon as defence minister and didn't listen to Sardar Patel warning over Chinese misadventure.
So complex. All the characters looked confused about their authority and powers.😂
Dear Shekhar, been watching this series for last quarter. I admire your ability to explain convoluted issues in a lucid manner. It is alarming to know some of these facts - though from past.
Agree with his view to rename VK Menon road in Martyrs name.
A treat as usual. Keep making more.
Going to read this book, thank you Sir 🙏
मैं आम तौर पर ऐसे सुझाव नहीं देता लेकिन, इससे पहले कुछ और किताबें पढ़े नहीं तो आप ग़लत दिशा में जाने की आशंका है।
दूसरी बात, मैं इस किताब के अपेंडिक्स में सोर्स रेफ़्रेन्सेज़ के डिटेल पढ़े बिना इस किताब को नहीं ख़रीदने का सुझाव नहीं दूँगा।
Mr. Menon is more of an intellectual than a politician. Can't take away his contribution towards articulating our stand for independence in UK.
JAI HIND JAI BHARAT VANDE MATRAM ..... HINDUSTAN ZINDABAD .... BHARAT MATA KI JAI
Today what happening with CBI was been happened earlier same with Indian Army
Wow
This is something that we have inherited
Yes... you can even find continuity in the foreign policy of Nehru's "non-alignment" and Modi's "Strategic autonomy".
CBI has always been used by government at centre!!
Was Gen Kaul a volunteer who did not do the job he volunteered for, a close relative of Pt Nehru ? After all Pt Nehru's actual family name was Kaul before Motilal Nehru jettisoned it for some unexplained reason of his own.
Krishna Menon also wrote the important preamble to Indian Constitution.
Very well defending Congress nehru family.
Earlier i had a good opinion on you, now it is lost.
Ironically Krishna Menon looked like typical Disney villain as well.
This is what happens when britishers leave power in the hands of British stooges.
Can you imagine if Netaji would've been our first PM?
Yes! we would be living under a wannabe military dictator...i would rather live in the anarchy we call democracy than in a police state.
Pseudo Prophet that should have a been blunder
@@Abhi-tb5ww hahahahahaha. And look what you have in this democracy. Nothing but poverty, death and corruption. Humans living worse than insects. Infestation by the liberal left who hate their own & please radical islam further contributing to the rot of India. While China purged itself of its filth and went on to become a superpower whose citizens enjoy a quality of life you can only dream of. Nothing but love for Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose our real father of Nation. Curse on Nehru, Gandhi and ilk.
@@Deveshi.A. blunder has been the India of nehru and gandhi, a shithole of weaklings
@@cartmanbrah01 ya, roughly only 30 million DEAD total of the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution; out of a then population of what, 300 million. Quite the ' purging of the filth' huh.
Why Jairam does not write about Nehru, who was the main culprit of 1963 debacle. He tried to blame Generals and Menon but not Nehru.
I like congressmen like Jayram Ramesh precisely because they know how to take and respond to criticism.
You have started talking truth or something against the congress
Joker JAYARAM how much did he pay you to discuss this to promote his work
We have to blame both Nehru and Krishna menon
chaudhari panicked in 65, gen harbaksh saved his skin
Your last suggestions will be an easy doing of the BJP.
I would like to name it after YB Chavan the greatest defense minister of india
Everyone, especially Communists and Nehru. ✌🏽
A small correction. While you were saying Thimayya was talking with British High Commissioner, the captions show that Menon spoke with the British.
It has increased my appetite for the book Kudos to you and Jai ram Ramesh for painstakingly bringing the dark side of India's past
Early teenage years of India!!!
9.52 caption says Menon shared with MacDonald ? Shouldn't it read Thimaya?
basically ballless generals,except Maneckcshaw and Carriappa!
Thapar and Gang were close to the political elite. Thimmaya wanted to bypass them but was not allowed.
So Nehru's name is to be cleared. Isn't this what it's all about??
"When the wise man is pointing to the moon, the idiot stares at the finger".
Or something like that.
@@lostcasel Maybe I'm staring at the finger. But one can't deny that in this country a book is launched everytime you point your finger at Nehru. Interesting thing is all the moons will be accused, but the 'Star' of that family will never be accused. They don't spare even Gandhi, Desai, V. P. Singh, Narshimha Rao, when it comes to save the face of 'Stars'. But hey who knows, Maybe I'm fool here.
India unfortunately was still under brown-skinned British rule all the way until 2014.
Krishna Menon was made defence minister for a very specific purpose. Nehru was afraid that Indian army might try a coup like in Pakistan. So a leftist was needed to reduce the power of army and do its coup-proofing.
Sir you cant deny that Nehru and Menon destroyed the defence industry and crippled the Indian Army