Just want to say i love your playing for tone demos. A lot of channels are great at detailing info but i don't enjoy their playing much. I actually enjoy yours. You have a dark meditative mood
Sounds killer. EDITED : Kinda puzzled at why they blocked the graphic EQ on the Mark amps, since it's kinda essential to the Mark thing. I know they have some captures with the V shape GEQ baked in the tone, but it's good to be able to adjust it manually, and at least to realize what it does on the tone. If they put some tonestacks knobs in there despite it being a capture and not a sim, i guess they could have put a GEQ as well in addition to the tonestack. On Two Notes Genome FlatBack V (Mark-ish ampsim) the GEQ is not there either, and it is an ampsim (not a capture), but i can just insert a GEQ AFTER (and it would be after the poweramp, not in he FX loop, since for now the poweramp isn't bypassable in this ampsim), but it's not the same thing. Not sure if the V shape GEQ is baked in the tone though (it is very possible though), just like with these Tonex official Mesa captures.
I get why they did that, these aren't amp Sims, they're amp captures. You use the dials as parametric eqs for a captured tone. But they won't behave like the real amp.
This is great, happy they did this. I've been looking for a mark IV plugin and there hasn't been one, just the neural 2c+ or whatever and I'm too big of a fan of early chevelle tones not to try it out
Not trying to overthink this but is Gibson trying to slowly partner with every device that competes with the Fender Tone Master Pro?… Previously allowing Neural to have a Mesa plug-in and now the Tonex… won’t be long before official axe fx or line 6 models 😉
Cool man! I always try to use something different to record, but I keep going back to the old Mesa Boogie and Peavey, they just sound cool, heavy and tight for metal!
And again, they soud real. But ppl stil doesn't use at5 and tonex, but what do i know. Dude, i like your riffage so much. Very nice video. Keep the videos coming 🤘🤘🤘
@@AutopsySuiteable Not quite. It is possible either by making and blending several captures with different settings (NAM developer is working on the implementation of that) or by blending the capture of the distortion circuit and the emulation of the tonestack circuit (tonestack is the easiest part of modeling an amp).
@@Admiral_Bongo sure but this is just a tone library for TONEX. You’re asking them to develop a whole new product just for this and my point is that’s not how this works.
@@AutopsySuiteable There were amp libraries for Amplitube. And many ampsim plugins have additional amp libraries available. That isn't exactly something new. And again, emulating a tonestack circuit is the easiest part of it.
I noticed on the Mark amps you're cranking up the gain, but if the controls are anything like the real amp, you may want to try cranking up the treble knob instead. Treble, Mid, and Bass knobs on a Mark are pre-tone stack and are more filter than they are EQ. Cranking the heck out of the treble and keeping the mid and bass low generally produce the best results for metal, even with the drive/gain knob at a medium level.
@CS-ru4xd they are captures of amps. They are just "snapshots" of an amps sound with the knobs set how you have them set in real life when you capture it. its quite a bit different compared to modeling, its more like a speaker IR. The knobs on the amps in the plugin act more like a global eq
Unless you don't wanna carry a laptop to the rehearsal spot or to the stage... Which is still the case for most people. People using only laptops for their guitar tone onstage is still rare.
Oh hell yah. I've had the tonex a couple months. At practice I've been using a random dual rectifier i downloaded. I didn't realize I could add pedals in amplitude. So badass can't wait to try it. Will these amps be free on tonenet? My guess no
Uh… how is that even expensive? A single guitar pedal of any quality is more than that. And you’re getting 5 amps here that sound pretty awesome, especially when doing your own IR thing. If $120 is breaking the bank, you’re in the wrong hobby
@@TaylorDanley Sorry for asking this but did you buy this collection ? because i had tonex before i watched this video and updated it but didn`t get these amps etc that you are showing and using any suggestions please?
@@Cujo-fu5bm - It’s not an update, it’s a separate, paid “tone collection”, just like their Dumble one. 99,99€ plus VAT (dependent on Your location). There are already tons of great paid captures made by other people, including Taylor, Mesa with IK are just promoting this one agressively.
crazy timing.. I'm actually editing a studio monitor video right now. I've used the Kali LP6's for a long time, but recently moved to the IK MTM iLoud speakers, which I like a lot. The reason is you can calibrate them and simulate other speaker types, which is super handy. They're also small.
I don't know. I'm not very familiar with Rectos or the Mark I, but the 2C+ and Mark IV sound off. Too loose and unfocused. To me it sounds like another underwhelming MESA virtual amp product, like Neural DSPs Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+ Suite, which is again wooly, not as tight as it should be and noisy on top of that. I would take the Amplitube 5 MESA emulations over both of those. Neural actually did a better job with Archetype Petrucci, which gets you way closer to a useable Boogie tone than the official suite. The ML Soundlab ML5 also easily beats both the Boogie Suite as well as these tones here.
1:05 Backhanded shade against the mighty NAM! I don't think cranking the gain on the Mark series sounded very good nor truthful to the amps 🙉 These amps are super tight! That was lost with the gain cranked 🙉 Though u didn't have an OD, which would have helped immensely...
Yeh sorry but these aren't doing anything more for me than I've heard in countless other amp sim, capture, modelling demos. They all sound good in a mix, can't tell the difference when listening over You Tube. Try to play them outside of a recording environment and they lack the inspiring feel on a real amp...for me anyway. I"m not hearing anything new here.
Can't say I'm vibing with these. The rectifiers and marks all sound muffled and flubby. The Metallica tone sounded nothing like it. Maybe after some tweaking they'd be great but out the box it's a no from me.
That’s the problem with captures - they’re “snapshots” of someone else’s presets. I didn’t like them either, especially Mark amps - dialing ML, AT5 or NeuralDSP with proper IR’s can get similar or better results IMHO. And as it comes to Rectos NAM has much better free profiles. I want to like my TONEX Max, but it just sounds… weird.
You can get it here www.ikmultimedia.com/products/tonex-mesa
Totally INSANE that they picked the Dirty Tree as the boost!!! Wild
Just want to say i love your playing for tone demos. A lot of channels are great at detailing info but i don't enjoy their playing much. I actually enjoy yours. You have a dark meditative mood
Dude, thanks so much! I appreciate that.
Sounds killer.
EDITED : Kinda puzzled at why they blocked the graphic EQ on the Mark amps, since it's kinda essential to the Mark thing. I know they have some captures with the V shape GEQ baked in the tone, but it's good to be able to adjust it manually, and at least to realize what it does on the tone. If they put some tonestacks knobs in there despite it being a capture and not a sim, i guess they could have put a GEQ as well in addition to the tonestack.
On Two Notes Genome FlatBack V (Mark-ish ampsim) the GEQ is not there either, and it is an ampsim (not a capture), but i can just insert a GEQ AFTER (and it would be after the poweramp, not in he FX loop, since for now the poweramp isn't bypassable in this ampsim), but it's not the same thing. Not sure if the V shape GEQ is baked in the tone though (it is very possible though), just like with these Tonex official Mesa captures.
I get why they did that, these aren't amp Sims, they're amp captures. You use the dials as parametric eqs for a captured tone. But they won't behave like the real amp.
This is great, happy they did this. I've been looking for a mark IV plugin and there hasn't been one, just the neural 2c+ or whatever and I'm too big of a fan of early chevelle tones not to try it out
sounds great bro!
I was more shocked by the Neural DSP collab, but this is still really cool.
Not trying to overthink this but is Gibson trying to slowly partner with every device that competes with the Fender Tone Master Pro?… Previously allowing Neural to have a Mesa plug-in and now the Tonex… won’t be long before official axe fx or line 6 models 😉
Mesa has been an IK partner even before the Gibson buyout
@@themodernguitaristtrue but the timing of the release is uncanny 😊
Fender Lolmaster Pro.
Wouldn’t doubt it, it seems like they are desperate to remain relevant with the shit rep they’ve built steadily through the years
@@kmfdm5 what shit rep? Everyone loves Mesa.
Cool man! I always try to use something different to record, but I keep going back to the old Mesa Boogie and Peavey, they just sound cool, heavy and tight for metal!
Two of the best brands for metal. Plus engl and the trio is unstoppable
Gibson is being smart in bringing those Mesa Boogie sounds to 21st century technology
Awesome killer sounds. Wondering, what’s the bridge pickup in that guitar? Sounds gnarly. 🤘
And again, they soud real. But ppl stil doesn't use at5 and tonex, but what do i know. Dude, i like your riffage so much. Very nice video. Keep the videos coming 🤘🤘🤘
Coulda bothered to make a usable graphic EQ. That's a big feature of Mark Series amps.
These are tone captures, not models so that’s simply not possible.
@@AutopsySuiteable Not quite. It is possible either by making and blending several captures with different settings (NAM developer is working on the implementation of that) or by blending the capture of the distortion circuit and the emulation of the tonestack circuit (tonestack is the easiest part of modeling an amp).
They put a regular tonestack in here, so they could have as well put a GEQ (i doubt the GEQ acted like bands interacted with each other).
@@Admiral_Bongo sure but this is just a tone library for TONEX. You’re asking them to develop a whole new product just for this and my point is that’s not how this works.
@@AutopsySuiteable There were amp libraries for Amplitube. And many ampsim plugins have additional amp libraries available. That isn't exactly something new. And again, emulating a tonestack circuit is the easiest part of it.
Would be interesting how these recent Tonex models sound compared to the Amplitube mesa AMPSIMS.
I noticed on the Mark amps you're cranking up the gain, but if the controls are anything like the real amp, you may want to try cranking up the treble knob instead. Treble, Mid, and Bass knobs on a Mark are pre-tone stack and are more filter than they are EQ. Cranking the heck out of the treble and keeping the mid and bass low generally produce the best results for metal, even with the drive/gain knob at a medium level.
they’re not, these are tonex tone models which are like snapshots. you have to find a model you like and tweak from there
@@TaylorDanley So the snapshots are not tweakable?
@CS-ru4xd they are captures of amps. They are just "snapshots" of an amps sound with the knobs set how you have them set in real life when you capture it. its quite a bit different compared to modeling, its more like a speaker IR. The knobs on the amps in the plugin act more like a global eq
"United...
You broke my Taylor Guitar"
I still have no interface or monitors. I think im getting too old lol. I need to find a plug in class from like ten years ago
Plugins make the Guitar amp itself not needed anymore.
Unless you don't wanna carry a laptop to the rehearsal spot or to the stage... Which is still the case for most people. People using only laptops for their guitar tone onstage is still rare.
Oh hell yah. I've had the tonex a couple months. At practice I've been using a random dual rectifier i downloaded. I didn't realize I could add pedals in amplitude. So badass can't wait to try it. Will these amps be free on tonenet? My guess no
The pack is 120 bucks. I find it crazy expensive.
I think this is awesome
it’s pretty sweet!
I love the Mark series and I love ToneX, but 120 bucks? That's just outrageous.
Uh… how is that even expensive? A single guitar pedal of any quality is more than that. And you’re getting 5 amps here that sound pretty awesome, especially when doing your own IR thing. If $120 is breaking the bank, you’re in the wrong hobby
Awesome, downloading update ,thank you ;)
No problem 👍
@@TaylorDanley Sorry for asking this but did you buy this collection ? because i had tonex before i watched this video and updated it but didn`t get these amps etc that you are showing and using any suggestions please?
@@Cujo-fu5bm - It’s not an update, it’s a separate, paid “tone collection”, just like their Dumble one. 99,99€ plus VAT (dependent on Your location). There are already tons of great paid captures made by other people, including Taylor, Mesa with IK are just promoting this one agressively.
@@Dr_EmZet Thank You ;) i appreciate you telling me. ;)
I’ve been looking to buy some studio monitors. What are you using?
crazy timing.. I'm actually editing a studio monitor video right now. I've used the Kali LP6's for a long time, but recently moved to the IK MTM iLoud speakers, which I like a lot. The reason is you can calibrate them and simulate other speaker types, which is super handy. They're also small.
07:01 sounds siiiiiiick
Isn't they (with fender, marshall...) already done this like years ago with IK multimedia?🤔
These are captures not amp modelling... Totally different thing.
07:40 Crowbar-ish riff :)
04:06 sounds badass
I'm not gay but when i see this guy, i'm not sure
That's kinda gay, dude
You said enough 😂
It’s ok to be gay bro.
😂
11:00
I don't know. I'm not very familiar with Rectos or the Mark I, but the 2C+ and Mark IV sound off. Too loose and unfocused. To me it sounds like another underwhelming MESA virtual amp product, like Neural DSPs Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+ Suite, which is again wooly, not as tight as it should be and noisy on top of that. I would take the Amplitube 5 MESA emulations over both of those. Neural actually did a better job with Archetype Petrucci, which gets you way closer to a useable Boogie tone than the official suite. The ML Soundlab ML5 also easily beats both the Boogie Suite as well as these tones here.
Hey Taylor, just write this on your marker board and see how it feels.
Man those Mark 2C+ ones that Neural DSP did sounded like ass, hopefully this is better. Sounds good so far.
they sound.. accurate
aren't they owned by gibson now?
1:05 Backhanded shade against the mighty NAM!
I don't think cranking the gain on the Mark series sounded very good nor truthful to the amps 🙉 These amps are super tight! That was lost with the gain cranked 🙉 Though u didn't have an OD, which would have helped immensely...
it`s sounds like 20 years old zoom 707....
You ar supposed to krank the treble on mark series amps to make it tight / saturated. KRANK THE TREBLE
This is a capture not a emolation ... so the eq doesnt copy the amp response
this ☝️
This isn't a sim though. It's a capture.
I've heard youtubers get better captures
It will never sound as good as real tube amp
182 things* one the left top corner, can`t be a coincidence... blink182!!!
Having played the real amps, these are meh in comparison.
Yeh sorry but these aren't doing anything more for me than I've heard in countless other amp sim, capture, modelling demos. They all sound good in a mix, can't tell the difference when listening over You Tube. Try to play them outside of a recording environment and they lack the inspiring feel on a real amp...for me anyway. I"m not hearing anything new here.
Can't say I'm vibing with these. The rectifiers and marks all sound muffled and flubby. The Metallica tone sounded nothing like it. Maybe after some tweaking they'd be great but out the box it's a no from me.
That’s the problem with captures - they’re “snapshots” of someone else’s presets. I didn’t like them either, especially Mark amps - dialing ML, AT5 or NeuralDSP with proper IR’s can get similar or better results IMHO. And as it comes to Rectos NAM has much better free profiles. I want to like my TONEX Max, but it just sounds… weird.