@@valysheev She was recruited alongside the original team. Xavier just had a different job for her. It was a Claremont retcon that he wanted there to be a secret sixth person on the original team if I am remembering his comments correctly.
I was never big on Sage, but I've actually grown to like her in the Krakoan era. I don't normally like storylines that deal with alcoholism or addiction as they are so overdone in all media, but I actually felt for her. As someone who finds it hard to switch their brain off, I can sort of sympathise.
Yeah, I agree on the alcoholism part. I feel like it’s part of one of the character beats Sage sometimes gets; she may have a computer brain but she’s still a person who goes through harrowing stuff but is just better at compartmentalising it all. I’d say that, in terms of the Xmen franchise, I’d say Siryn’s alcoholism story is a good one.
Sage is an interesting one. She was also the one who extended out to the Xmen the truce between them and the Hellfire club in the 80’s. Considering where she was found, she might be Iranian. Although, one thing that Selene says in an issue makes her treatment by Xavier and Shaw disgusting. Selene, during a time when Rachel Summers infiltrated the Hellfire club, refers to Tessa as Shaw’s “Leman”. Leman is an Olde English word that could mean things like sweetheart or mistress. It’s also how the Shadow King describes Destiny to Mystique as her Leman in the 90’s. Shaw’s a sadist and Lourdes, his girlfriend, was regularly beaten by him. Because of the nature of his powers, she couldn’t fight back. So imagine Xavier essentially trafficked this homeless girl who saved his life from the stretch of land known as the Hindu Kush, kept her in his basement for years until she became an adult before sending her off to be this employee of Shaw’s. An employee who wouldn’t be able to say no to his advances. She’s the reason why the mutant, Lifeguard, finds Xavier disgusting. Now, you wanna see something even more gross? Jean knew about her. And, like all of Xavier’s secrets, didn’t tell anyone. That story where Bishop and Sage investigate the shattering of Emma? Jean has never met Sage outside of her Tessa disguise but the “Hi Sage” panel implies she knew. Sage is also a character people often headcanon as autistic with the capability to socially mask. Although that might just be from the supercomputer brain side. The best Sage stories for me are the ones that tell you “No. she’s not a robot. She’s a person who actually needs to process all of the stuff she’s been through instead of just locking it away in a file”. Frankly, out of all of the mutants who have never been on the core Xmen, she’s the one who deserves it most. As for why we don’t know much about her, from an episode they did about her on the podcast Cerebrocast, they do reveal that in the comics industry, some characters don’t get things added to them by other writers because that character is seen as the “pet” of another writer. She’s Claremont’s passion project and so no writer has added to her backstory significantly. There is this sweet interaction between her teammates after they hear about the spy backstory as one person goes “why should we even trust her?” To which, ShadowKat replies saying “She’s done so much for us already. I trust her because she cares about this team more than anyone else.” Sage overhears, cries a little before switching back to work mode because there’s a job to do. Great work. Ps: compelling characters who are big messes? Honey, welcome to the Xmen. We hope you survive the experience lol.
@@thenandocut If ShadowKat had a second mutation, it would be public speaking. Seriously, the amount of times she claps back whether it is at someone who attacks Nightcrawler because he scares their kids to doing the Anti- “M Word” speech, she’s always got it covered. But yeah, nice to know she was in the gifted. Speaking of the Gifted… will you be covering Claremont’s answer to “what if Mel Brooks made Hydra agents” aka Fenris?
Holy crap 😮 did NOT know all that trauma surrounding Sage! Goodness, and I’m impressed by the head cannon encouragement to make her an autism rep but it being due to the fact she’s got a super computer brain IS kinduva big stereotype autism chars recieve in pop culture, but considering all this, the fact that most fans know her form the squat pose on Xtreme Xmen cover makes her status, potential, and capabilities even more “gross”-ly overlooked and underrated, sweet Christmas…smh
It’s either lacklustre or completely insane with 2000’s Claremont. Remember the gladiatorial Japanese arena where Storm, Yukio and Callisto are fighting together? The one where Masque gives Callisto multiple tentacle arms?
@@christopherbennett5858 Oh yes, it's burned into my brain. Did you ever read X-Men: The End? That entire trilogy of minis is just bonkers idea after bonkers idea.
@@Sandra-rc5uc Although Kitty being the President is a fun one. I did like the story where he brought back John Proudstar, Moira (probably the Shi’ar golem now), Destiny, Esme and Sophie. Here’s the thing with Claremont; he hates it when people play with his toys. So, like Peter David, he resets the characters often to how they were when he last used them. The only exceptions have been when someone else who can give a different perspective to them. Whilst many people in the comics community do not like Tini Howard, he liked that she was writing for Betsy Braddock. But the big badge of honour in the X office is when he uses someone else’s characters. Off the top of my head, those were Dr Cecilia Reyes, Esme and Sophie. Heck, because she’s seen as Claremont’s “Pet”, whilst she has been in teams a lot, no writer dare alter Sage eg actually give her a name.
I love her, she's a DUNE-style Bene-Gessirit and Mentat all in one. She turned her powers inward, she's the ultimate goth (sorry Selene). Very Frank Herbert idea, in BSDM leathers or Matrix latex, because Claremont 😂
This is why I love this channel. A lesser YTer would have used a Sage video to dunk on late stage Claremontisms. But you came at it earnestly, and I respect that.
Im new to comics and started with new mutants(issue 30 or 32 or something early 30s late 29s) ive found claremont to be a fantastic writer. What are some of his pitfalls later on?
“It just is what it is…you get used to it”. You might as well say “boys will be boys” 🤷🏿 as a comic fan who grew up reading during that era I say just call it what it is, an era full of gross and sexist depictions of female bodies, but be aware it’s what you’ll see if you read or see clips of women from those comics.
So she’s a supercomputing alcoholic telepath, a part time secret spy, part time detective, controls her physiology on a molecular level, _and_ she has Old Kai’s ability to unlock hidden potential… Talk about jack of all trades. She actually low diffs Black Widow by a long shot and she kinda reminds me of her.
I feel like judging Bishop for the Hope Summers stuff is the same as judging Wolverine for overseeing a Japanese internment camp during WWII. Character assassination that's best left in the past
have you ever considered doing videos like this on cards that aren't new? as a marvel newbie, i'd love to know more about cards like moon girl, ghost, colleen wing, etc
I find it hella ironic that her power is literally to process information and yet the drawback from using her power causes her to be an alcoholic. Why doesn’t she just unlock her _own_ potential to break the limits of data she can hold?
Given that Xavier recruited her early, it retroactively makes her an original X-man. That's always a fun bit of trivia.
She was on the team early on?
Just like Vulcan
@@valysheev She was recruited alongside the original team. Xavier just had a different job for her. It was a Claremont retcon that he wanted there to be a secret sixth person on the original team if I am remembering his comments correctly.
@@mapwheel00 oooh then I get why you misunderstood
@@valysheevthey didn’t misunderstand. They’re just right
Her card feels like doing math so that’s on point
I was never big on Sage, but I've actually grown to like her in the Krakoan era. I don't normally like storylines that deal with alcoholism or addiction as they are so overdone in all media, but I actually felt for her. As someone who finds it hard to switch their brain off, I can sort of sympathise.
Yeah, I agree on the alcoholism part.
I feel like it’s part of one of the character beats Sage sometimes gets; she may have a computer brain but she’s still a person who goes through harrowing stuff but is just better at compartmentalising it all.
I’d say that, in terms of the Xmen franchise, I’d say Siryn’s alcoholism story is a good one.
Not overdone at all
She has always been underrated. Whenever anyone asks me what superpower I want, I always say hers (and then have to explain who tf she is).
Sage is an interesting one. She was also the one who extended out to the Xmen the truce between them and the Hellfire club in the 80’s. Considering where she was found, she might be Iranian.
Although, one thing that Selene says in an issue makes her treatment by Xavier and Shaw disgusting.
Selene, during a time when Rachel Summers infiltrated the Hellfire club, refers to Tessa as Shaw’s “Leman”. Leman is an Olde English word that could mean things like sweetheart or mistress. It’s also how the Shadow King describes Destiny to Mystique as her Leman in the 90’s.
Shaw’s a sadist and Lourdes, his girlfriend, was regularly beaten by him. Because of the nature of his powers, she couldn’t fight back. So imagine Xavier essentially trafficked this homeless girl who saved his life from the stretch of land known as the Hindu Kush, kept her in his basement for years until she became an adult before sending her off to be this employee of Shaw’s. An employee who wouldn’t be able to say no to his advances.
She’s the reason why the mutant, Lifeguard, finds Xavier disgusting.
Now, you wanna see something even more gross?
Jean knew about her. And, like all of Xavier’s secrets, didn’t tell anyone. That story where Bishop and Sage investigate the shattering of Emma? Jean has never met Sage outside of her Tessa disguise but the “Hi Sage” panel implies she knew.
Sage is also a character people often headcanon as autistic with the capability to socially mask. Although that might just be from the supercomputer brain side.
The best Sage stories for me are the ones that tell you “No. she’s not a robot. She’s a person who actually needs to process all of the stuff she’s been through instead of just locking it away in a file”.
Frankly, out of all of the mutants who have never been on the core Xmen, she’s the one who deserves it most.
As for why we don’t know much about her, from an episode they did about her on the podcast Cerebrocast, they do reveal that in the comics industry, some characters don’t get things added to them by other writers because that character is seen as the “pet” of another writer. She’s Claremont’s passion project and so no writer has added to her backstory significantly.
There is this sweet interaction between her teammates after they hear about the spy backstory as one person goes “why should we even trust her?”
To which, ShadowKat replies saying “She’s done so much for us already. I trust her because she cares about this team more than anyone else.” Sage overhears, cries a little before switching back to work mode because there’s a job to do.
Great work.
Ps: compelling characters who are big messes? Honey, welcome to the Xmen. We hope you survive the experience lol.
I love that Shadowcat moment
@@thenandocut If ShadowKat had a second mutation, it would be public speaking.
Seriously, the amount of times she claps back whether it is at someone who attacks Nightcrawler because he scares their kids to doing the Anti- “M Word” speech, she’s always got it covered.
But yeah, nice to know she was in the gifted.
Speaking of the Gifted… will you be covering Claremont’s answer to “what if Mel Brooks made Hydra agents” aka Fenris?
Holy crap 😮 did NOT know all that trauma surrounding Sage! Goodness, and I’m impressed by the head cannon encouragement to make her an autism rep but it being due to the fact she’s got a super computer brain IS kinduva big stereotype autism chars recieve in pop culture, but considering all this, the fact that most fans know her form the squat pose on Xtreme Xmen cover makes her status, potential, and capabilities even more “gross”-ly overlooked and underrated, sweet Christmas…smh
do you remember which comic Sage overheard Kitty’s comment? I rlly wanna read that moment
@@bydstc1904 Unfortunately, not off the top of my head. Sorry.
"she's not secretly related to anybody" oh, I'm sure they can fix that lol
I love her. Claremont‘s 2000s stuff is mostly lackluster but the Sage-retcon is the one stroke of brilliance he did.
It’s either lacklustre or completely insane with 2000’s Claremont.
Remember the gladiatorial Japanese arena where Storm, Yukio and Callisto are fighting together? The one where Masque gives Callisto multiple tentacle arms?
@@christopherbennett5858 Oh yes, it's burned into my brain. Did you ever read X-Men: The End? That entire trilogy of minis is just bonkers idea after bonkers idea.
@@Sandra-rc5uc Although Kitty being the President is a fun one.
I did like the story where he brought back John Proudstar, Moira (probably the Shi’ar golem now), Destiny, Esme and Sophie.
Here’s the thing with Claremont; he hates it when people play with his toys. So, like Peter David, he resets the characters often to how they were when he last used them.
The only exceptions have been when someone else who can give a different perspective to them. Whilst many people in the comics community do not like Tini Howard, he liked that she was writing for Betsy Braddock.
But the big badge of honour in the X office is when he uses someone else’s characters. Off the top of my head, those were Dr Cecilia Reyes, Esme and Sophie.
Heck, because she’s seen as Claremont’s “Pet”, whilst she has been in teams a lot, no writer dare alter Sage eg actually give her a name.
I’ve always had a soft spot for Sage, sometimes about her style and attitude is fun
I love her, she's a DUNE-style Bene-Gessirit and Mentat all in one. She turned her powers inward, she's the ultimate goth (sorry Selene). Very Frank Herbert idea, in BSDM leathers or Matrix latex, because Claremont 😂
I CAN'T WAIT for your video on the latest X-Men '97 episode haha
This is why I love this channel. A lesser YTer would have used a Sage video to dunk on late stage Claremontisms. But you came at it earnestly, and I respect that.
Im new to comics and started with new mutants(issue 30 or 32 or something early 30s late 29s) ive found claremont to be a fantastic writer. What are some of his pitfalls later on?
Sage always wears things that just over the left shoulder. Like, she LOVES those asymmetrical tops
love her name. honestly everything about her character seems right up my alley too! definitely going to look into reading her comics
ok i think i love her
Me on Reign of X vol 4 hearing Nando call Krakoa “this modern age that just ended” 😩
I've always liked her. From her times as a spy, and I didn't even know about it.
Ohhhh, so that’s who’s on that cheesecake cover of Xtreme X-Men I have!😄
Yup 🙄
Sage, one of the hottest women in the chair since Barbara Gordon and Ingrid Hunnigan. In Gifted, she's the woman in the standing position (at times).
I hate that I sometimes think I'm looking at Jubilee when it's actually Sage.
The way they depict her does look like how I’d picture Wolverine as an adult lol
“It just is what it is…you get used to it”. You might as well say “boys will be boys” 🤷🏿 as a comic fan who grew up reading during that era I say just call it what it is, an era full of gross and sexist depictions of female bodies, but be aware it’s what you’ll see if you read or see clips of women from those comics.
One day Hercules/Colonel Howlett variant cards :P
"Lady" in the chair.
So she’s a supercomputing alcoholic telepath, a part time secret spy, part time detective, controls her physiology on a molecular level, _and_ she has Old Kai’s ability to unlock hidden potential…
Talk about jack of all trades. She actually low diffs Black Widow by a long shot and she kinda reminds me of her.
Yeah I’ve always seen her as one of those highly underused mutants with a lot of potential to her abilities
I feel like judging Bishop for the Hope Summers stuff is the same as judging Wolverine for overseeing a Japanese internment camp during WWII. Character assassination that's best left in the past
have you ever considered doing videos like this on cards that aren't new? as a marvel newbie, i'd love to know more about cards like moon girl, ghost, colleen wing, etc
Oh no! A corset! How will my work computer recover!!
Ms Marvel is actually unique cost, not power. I got excited over the same thing before realizing that they’re different conditions
I love that see's slightly Autistic sounding... genre media needs more Spock like characters.
15:27 What you talking about man??
XTreme X-Men had the BEST art I've ever seen in comics history 🙀
Did you do Valentina yet? Btw i love your videos and inspire me to make videos myself
He said he didnt find much to Val and I think he covered that in the previous video
What are your thoughts on the new X-Force and X-Facotr teams coming later this year?
Honestly I'm most excited for Dazzler since it has Guido and Jamie. I'll see which of the other books I'm into.
I’m first!! Yes! Also, can you do a vid on Kendall Logan aka Torrent next? 😬😁
Not secretly related to anyone…yet.
So she's Sion from Melty Blood
Who?
But how does its effect relate to its power?
Could she work with Doc Oc?
I find it hella ironic that her power is literally to process information and yet the drawback from using her power causes her to be an alcoholic.
Why doesn’t she just unlock her _own_ potential to break the limits of data she can hold?
I am so mad they never had Sage interact with the 05 when they came back from the past. So many missed character moments because of shitty editorial.