The overcrowding in morning rush hour is as insane as anywhere in London. The interchange from the northbound Overground onto the Jubilee is effectively the main access point to the tube network for everyone in an entire slice of South London from Croydon and Crystal Palace up through the full length of Lewisham where there is no tube. The single down escalator is a massive bottleneck for each train that arrives and Jubilee platforms at peak time need snaking queues at every door which can take up to 3-4 trains to clear with platforms at capacity. When it gets really bad Canada Water sends Overground passengers UP into the ticket hall rather than down, then back down two flights in order to use space with more capacity for the backlog, it's soul destroying when it happens and highlights how beyond capacity the interchange can get. The perfect release valve would be the proposed Bakerloo extension to New Cross Gate which could offload a proportion of the Overground users heading for central London. The business case is so obvious especially with ongoing large development across the areas down to Lewisham centre, but as of right now the original 2029 ETA has long since been forgotten.
Why on earth would you expect London to be warm and sunny lol? Have you not heard the famous stereotype that English people always moan about the weather?
@@davidbray5982 I've been to London twice in my life and the weather was quite nice. During the first trip it rained solely on the first day and it was rather a shower, while during the second one it only rained a bit once it got dark
Tô be pedantic the station exit under Canada water library always existed. It just was closed and integrated into the library building during the library construction. However the emergency exit/ventilation shaft opposite the library has been used as a general purpose entrance/exit before.
I remember when it was called Surrey Docks. In the 80’s it transformed into a huge shiny development called Canada Water, just of the Jamaica rd, near Rotherhithe.
I'll have to stop watching your videos at 4am. I'm getting tearful remembering travelling on the old East London tube line. Yes, it was run down, but I loved it and it felt a real railway not like the slick things that seem to be around these days - not that I've been to London since 2001😮 Wonder what I'd.make of it now😂
On the rare occasion I've changed trains at Canada Water, I've been pleased I haven't had a ten mile walk to get to the other line. Those were the days when there weren't so many people around, obviously. Never thought of popping up to street level - your video was quite enlightening.
I'd second that! It's a lovely walk from Canada Water to Stave Hill (great views of London) and back round to the Mayflower Pub in Rotherhithe to finish.
There is probably a Sarlacc Pit hidden away in the area too. I wouldn't be surprised, they have cunningly managed to park that giant Jawa sand crawler without anyone noticing until you pointed it out!
A very useful interchange, use it a lot. The bottleneck I find is the single escalator down from the Overground to the Jubilee line, particularly when passenger numbers were higher before the pandemic. Seems to me that it should have been three escalators, so that, as at other stations, two could operate in the peak direction.
It's always a problem during peak times. It certainly was when I worked there as a contractor for the Overground, trying to cheer up passengers with slightly over the top platform announcements. We were always advised to send passengers the long way around, by taking the escalator up to the main concourse, then across to the opposite Overground platform and take the escalator from there. That didn't diminish the number of passengers, but the time it took for those passengers to cross over lowered the peak pressure on the escalators enough that people could at least keep moving rather than having to queue at the top. It's one of those odd cases where two minutes of walking saves five minutes of queueing.
@@kristofvanderauwera5739 I probably met you a few times, then! I clearly remember that long-way-round suggestion when I commuted through there in the pre-pandemic years.
@@ACELog Very possible indeed. Hopefully you'll also remember the cheerful 'good morning' on the northbound platform and the 'Welcome to Canada Water!' announcements on the southbound platform in the evenings, as I tried to compete with the automatic station announcements for broadcast time :)
The Deal Porters wore distinctive headgear - as seen on that statue. A strange leather cap type of thing, with one very long dangling 'Spaniel's ear' on the right hand side to cover the shoulder the plank was carried on. Think of Clement Freud's bloodhound 'Henry' with one ear tied behind his head to get some idea of the bizarre effect.
Good name! As a Canadian resident, I see our water (atleast on the west coast) as really clean and refreshing. Hopefully that's the same as it is for the London commuters.
Very interesting video, and as a Canada Water regular, I sometimes just come out of the station itself to admire the docks and the bus station. Just nice to do that sometimes 👍
There are a few commuters that might want to have a word with you. No tourists allowed during peak times! (or at least that is what I imagine they would say.)😂
Hi Jago from Spain and thank you for a wander around bits that I am never likely visit. Thank you also, of course, for a quick shot of my favourite station.
I live in Ottawa - one end of the long gone Ottawa Arnprior and Parry Sound railway built to transport timber destined for the UK especially waney timbers for RN destroyer decking.
Proof of the overcrowding: busiest two platform rail station in the UK (I know the complex has four platforms, but downstairs is a tube station!) I think one big thing it needs is additional escalators from the Northbound Overground platform down to the Jubilee concourse. Often it seems like half of each Overground train arriving at the station tips out on to the platform there, but I imagine digging this out would be incredibly difficult and expensive. I do think that some folks have switched to Whitechapel for changing now the Elizabeth Line has arrived, but it can still get crowded.
I will be attempting to change at whitechapel - step free wise it is still awkward for my onward trek to Stratford , though the time is not much less than going via JL overall
Surrey Quays station was of course originally Surrey Docks. Presumably in 1989 the powers that be felt that "quays" sounded a bit more salubrious and less industrial than "docks"
@@highpath4776 Interesting point. It looks as if Rotherhithe and New Cross were in Surrey but Deptford was in Kent, and therefore most or all of the Surrey Docks were indeed in Surrey.
I used to live at Hithe Point overlooking Albion Channel and just the very top of the Canary Wharf buildings across the river. So much has changed though that I barely recognise it anymore!
I used to live in Hackney not far from the Overground (the best railway in the world) and was at that time involved in the design work for the Jubilee Line Extension, so thanks for this lovely video on where the two worlds meet!
A Jawa sandcrawler thing is the best description of a building I’ve ever heard! I went on the east London Underground once in 2004 before it closed and turned into an overground line. It was almost “quaint” and quite run down at the time!
When you want to get from Surrey Quays to Shoreditch, which is precisely what I wanted to do one day last year at short notice, the old East London is VERY WELL SITUATED. Otherwise, I would have had to go Canada Water on the bus, then up the Jubilee Line to London Bridge, then Northern Line to Old Street, which would have been a big faff.
As the first place that I lived, when I moved to London, Canada Water has a special place in my heart. Most of the buildings you showed around there, including the library, didn't even exist when I lived there and the East London line was still undergoing changes to turn it into one of the many London Overground lines.
Wondering if the opening of the Elizabeth Line/Crossrail has reduced the overcrowding on the Jubilee Line and at Canada Water. It's an alternative way of getting to/from Canary Wharf and should have taken some passengers. I've not used the route for commuting since lock-down in 2020.
@@theobrigham I guess if you want to go from Canary Wharf to London Bridge or Waterloo, the direct Jubilee Line is the obvious way to go. If you want to connect onto the Overground for North or South London or Croydon, the EL now gives an alternative route via Whitechapel, especially for the Dalston/Highbury direction.
One of my ex bosses had a flat in Canada Water which was by the Thames and overlooked Canary Wharf on the other side of the river and in the evening that was a stunning view
I visited Canada Water in late February, on a day trip to London. I like to mix in a few different activities, so in addition to my visit to Tate Britain, I had a trip on the London Overground to Canada Water, walked up the Albion Channel to Surrey Water and back, and then got the Jubilee line out to Westminster before a further walk along the Thames to Millbank. All in all an excellent day out. I remember thinking that the Overground station at Whitechapel (where I got on) was a bit scruffy, but I was impressed with the architecture of Canada Water station. It reminded a bit of the more recent MRT stations in Singapore (and if you want a different underground system to enthuse about, the Singapore MRT would be an excellent choice).
When it's not extremely crowded, it really is one of the most convenient interchanges on the whole network. Getting from the southbound Overground to the Jubilee line platforms is barely 20 seconds of walking. The crowded bit is the change from the northbound Overground platform, which only has the one escalator to handle a large Overground train full of people. All TfL would really need to do is add another escalator there and the interchange becomes almost ideal.
Howdy, I'm from Canada! While it seems obvious now that I know it was originally a dock, I never knew why Canada Water was named as such originally. Thankful that I found it out thanks to you.
Canada water sounds like something you add to your bourbon ...with ice. I know thee an me often rant about what could have been but this one makes you wonder what the builders of the Shoreditch to New Cross line would have made of all this today,
I have been to Canada Water couple times. Very nice station I have to say. Especially when I used the Jubilee Line and London Overground. Very nice station.
Visited Canada Water station many times, but have never entered (or left) the station at ground level. Always just used an an interchange. I can imagine it’s the same for lots of other users.
How is it you manage to visit all these places that I live near! I study at the university near Central station, I work near Canada Water, I discovered the random statue in North Woolwich a couple of days before you made the video :)) Next video I see will probably be "Tour around Josh's flat" at this rate 😁
As someone who has been to Canada Water for Printworks many times (The old daily mail printing factory) I have always been intrigued by the area... Wondering what's going on with the changes and it's history, especially as they where talking about knocking Printworks down :( Thanks for the insight :)
Good to see how useful stations can become if the connection is right. Btw, Elizabeth line should have taken some pressure off this interchange offering an alternative connection to both Canary Wharf, City and West End.
Interesting. I had no idea what the station looked like above ground. Agree with other commenters that the bakerloo line desperately needs to be extended to nx gate now to intercept some of the overground passengers trying to get into town, but linking it up with lewisham also - a major interchange for kent, and catford is likely to completely fill the trains up before hand.
One thing that strikes me of street scenes is how often cars are standing still. Now this doesn't come as a surprise; it was the case the last time I visited London, already quite a while ago. Still, I think that London (or any other city for that matter) could do with fewer cars.
Hi Jago, completely off topic but I've noticed my last couple of trips from Liverpool Street to Bethnal Green, the last part of the tunnel hasn't absolutely screamed my ears off. It's been measured as the loudest part of the tube - do you know if the recent central line weekend closure meant they did some work to address it? Or any other loud bits?
5:58 Very apt description! It needs an art installation next to it depicting a bunch of life-sized jawas prepping an inert R2D2 for its own "Tube" trip.
2:15 Yeah this is my regular station. They're still there if you peek over the fence but right in the middle of the construction site so who knows if they'll survive the development 6:49 Yeah theres a rush from the ELL platforms to the jubilee which is already taking trains from Stratford. It gets crazy, sometimes you gotta wait two or three trains to get on
I frequently change from north bound overground to Jubilee there. They have really underestimated the interchange. There is no way of extending the capacity with only one escalator down to the Jubilee line. Peak times I sometimes go up to ticket hall level and down again.
@@adamcetinkent I haven't noticed. The congestion comes on the interchange from Overground to Jubilee line. The relief you talk about would be on the trains of the Jubilee line and I really haven't noticed much difference. Although good point that it should be noticeable on the Jubilee line trains
As someone who has lived in the area my whole life, i can confirm: a) the station cannot cope with large volumes of people, it is often closed (was a daily occurrence before the pandemic) due to overcrowding. b) the shopping centre will be moved, as part of the "Masterplan" to when the cinema is, and instead new roads and sky scrapers built there instead. it is estimated about 5,000 new homes will be built there. local campaigners have been fighting to get improved transport connection implemented before this is reached, as the buses and trains will not cope with this increase in demand. If the Bakerloo line extension is passed, going to Old Kent Road, a possibility is they may bring a bus route in to serve the two stations (Similar to the old 365 route which went through the tunnel to serve Shadwell to Canada Water) as well as a possible new bus route. this all of course is contingent on the mayors office and money! c) the area itself is quite tranquil, once you move away from the station and head towards the docks (towards the south east from the station). not much to do in terms of activities, but a walk around the docks to Greenland pier, or a walk around Southwark Park are both nice options to see the local area
Having used Canada Water as an interchange for a frantic few weeks in 2018, can confirm it struggles with the weight of rush-hour passengers. So much so that I gave up the slower, cheaper West Croydon - Canada Water - Canary Wharf commute for the faster, pricier East Croydon - London Bridge - Canary Wharf journey…
@@highpath4776 Or nowadays Whitechapel and the Elizabeth Line. May depend partly which bit of Canary Wharf you want to get to; I reckon it's the most spread out interchange on the Underground, even more so than Bank, with all 3 stations being separate for practical purposes.
Being a Peckham resident I often interchange at Canada Water heading out to or coming back from East London. I'm not looking forward to the increase in traffic in what is already an overcongested corner of the city. Indeed, some of my most aggravating experiences have been when I've ended up in Canada Water with no trains running to go home and having to wait for the one bus that goes my way and is already delayed by the traffic.
So nice to see Stanmore, however briefly. My father commuted from that station when we lived in London back in the late 1960s. The Canada Water rotunda is quite lovely. Not quite sure what to make of the Jawa library.
Not only is the interchange too small (just one escalator between the lines) but the Overground platforms are just as short as those at Rotherhithe, which prevents the ELL running longer trains.
In hindsight, the Government should have taken account of the possibility of the East London Line Extension actually being built when building Canada Water.
@@highpath4776 Another Solution could be to extend the ELL Platforms Northwards to directly join up with Rotherhithe Station Platforms themselves. Thus combining Canada Water & Rotherhithe into a Single Station. Or you could simply extend the platform's southward instead.
Another enjoyable video, Jago. I was interested in your comments on overcrowding at Canada Water, about to be exacerbated by a new development. It might be worth looking at Finchley Road and the trio of stations at West Hampstead (Underground, Overground, Wombling free, er, I mean, Thameslink) in this regard. Both tube stations are already overcrowded during the morning rush hour. Typing the words "O2 development" and Landsec into the search engine of your choice will tell you all need to know.
Fine upstanding, decent folks south of the water... not like them claret and blue toting lot over in for'n lands chim chimneying around the place, for me too it will always be Surrey Docks and even today there is still that whiff of burnt peanuts from the Percy Dalton's conflagration that saw the factory burn to the ground. You could always tell where you were in south London by the niffs, Bermondsey had the malty Sarsons niff and the sugary Peek Freans niff, Deptford had the peanuts, Greenwich had the horse rendering plant which was quite horrible on a still summers day, Abbey Wood the station was next to a smelter's and that burnt clutch smell always a charm as it did fight off the pong from Tunnel Refineries, happy days :)
Been through here a number of times. Very nice station and local area by the library. I haven't noticed the overcrowding, but maybe I wasn't there at peak times. One option I imagine would be to increase the frequency of Overground trains. According to an article in Modern Railways from 2019, the capacity at that time was 18 trains per hour, and there was scope to increase it to 24tph in 3 phases through various upgrades to signalling and stabling of stock.
When I saw the title "O Canada Water" - I'd thought that you had gone to Canada - b/c I didn't know that there was a place in London Called 'Canada Water!!! 😀😉🚂🚂🚂
There may be trouble ahead 😆 That’s what the pessimist said, when walking along the tunnel upon seeing the lights at the end of the tunnel …the lights of a train coming the other way 😂
The overcrowding in morning rush hour is as insane as anywhere in London. The interchange from the northbound Overground onto the Jubilee is effectively the main access point to the tube network for everyone in an entire slice of South London from Croydon and Crystal Palace up through the full length of Lewisham where there is no tube.
The single down escalator is a massive bottleneck for each train that arrives and Jubilee platforms at peak time need snaking queues at every door which can take up to 3-4 trains to clear with platforms at capacity. When it gets really bad Canada Water sends Overground passengers UP into the ticket hall rather than down, then back down two flights in order to use space with more capacity for the backlog, it's soul destroying when it happens and highlights how beyond capacity the interchange can get.
The perfect release valve would be the proposed Bakerloo extension to New Cross Gate which could offload a proportion of the Overground users heading for central London. The business case is so obvious especially with ongoing large development across the areas down to Lewisham centre, but as of right now the original 2029 ETA has long since been forgotten.
One of the random London places I know. All hail decathelon for waterproof gear when you expect London to be warm and sunny for the weekend.
Why on earth would you expect London to be warm and sunny lol? Have you not heard the famous stereotype that English people always moan about the weather?
@@davidbray5982 It was June and the forecast was good!
@@TadeuszCantwell haha! Never trust the forecast round here. If it says rain you can expect rain, if it says sun you can... Also expect rain.
I live in this area and thank you for mentioning the one thing that makes us relevant
@@davidbray5982 I've been to London twice in my life and the weather was quite nice. During the first trip it rained solely on the first day and it was rather a shower, while during the second one it only rained a bit once it got dark
Tô be pedantic the station exit under Canada water library always existed. It just was closed and integrated into the library building during the library construction. However the emergency exit/ventilation shaft opposite the library has been used as a general purpose entrance/exit before.
Fair point! Must confess that wasn’t in my sources, but they were more interested in the library than the station.
My paternal grandfather sailed out of Rotherhith. I’m sure he’d be amazed that his little village is now part of the city of London
As a LO East London Line driver, I thank you for this video. Love it!
Jawa Sandcrawler, brilliant! 😊
Being a Canadian and with the recent precipitation, I have a lot of Canada water to spare and would be happy to send it to you.😂
Same, although to be fair it's very Dry....
The post code is W12 8QT.
Powdered water. Just add . . .
Haha! Good one! Don’t you also get quite good air con systems due to the wind and snow there 😂
Have been drinking Canada Dry?
From the Canadian side of the Atlantic, where the logs and furs came from, thank you🇨🇦! Another super video.
DLR Stations have the most random (when out of context) and fun names.
I remember when it was called Surrey Docks. In the 80’s it transformed into a huge shiny development called Canada Water, just of the Jamaica rd, near Rotherhithe.
I'll have to stop watching your videos at 4am. I'm getting tearful remembering travelling on the old East London tube line. Yes, it was run down, but I loved it and it felt a real railway not like the slick things that seem to be around these days - not that I've been to London since 2001😮 Wonder what I'd.make of it now😂
On the rare occasion I've changed trains at Canada Water, I've been pleased I haven't had a ten mile walk to get to the other line. Those were the days when there weren't so many people around, obviously. Never thought of popping up to street level - your video was quite enlightening.
Thanks, Jago. This area is well worth a visit for a wander around the docks.
I'd second that! It's a lovely walk from Canada Water to Stave Hill (great views of London) and back round to the Mayflower Pub in Rotherhithe to finish.
There is probably a Sarlacc Pit hidden away in the area too. I wouldn't be surprised, they have cunningly managed to park that giant Jawa sand crawler without anyone noticing until you pointed it out!
It's all related to Bistromathics.
The joys of the Docklands area and how it has become synonymous with happiness and caring for people in the local area and history 😂
Your Jawa land-crawler comment gave me a hearty laugh!! 🤣 Thank you, Jago!
A delicate balancing act between quickly clearing the northbound Overground platform and overwhelming the Jubilee line platforms!
A very useful interchange, use it a lot.
The bottleneck I find is the single escalator down from the Overground to the Jubilee line, particularly when passenger numbers were higher before the pandemic. Seems to me that it should have been three escalators, so that, as at other stations, two could operate in the peak direction.
It's always a problem during peak times. It certainly was when I worked there as a contractor for the Overground, trying to cheer up passengers with slightly over the top platform announcements.
We were always advised to send passengers the long way around, by taking the escalator up to the main concourse, then across to the opposite Overground platform and take the escalator from there. That didn't diminish the number of passengers, but the time it took for those passengers to cross over lowered the peak pressure on the escalators enough that people could at least keep moving rather than having to queue at the top.
It's one of those odd cases where two minutes of walking saves five minutes of queueing.
They should make the escalator go faster. I always walk up up/down escalators as they move too slow. I don't just stand still like other people.
@@kristofvanderauwera5739 I probably met you a few times, then!
I clearly remember that long-way-round suggestion when I commuted through there in the pre-pandemic years.
@@ACELog Very possible indeed. Hopefully you'll also remember the cheerful 'good morning' on the northbound platform and the 'Welcome to Canada Water!' announcements on the southbound platform in the evenings, as I tried to compete with the automatic station announcements for broadcast time :)
@@simontay4851 This must be one of the fastest escalators on the tube to the point of it being dangerous.
The Deal Porters wore distinctive headgear - as seen on that statue.
A strange leather cap type of thing, with one very long dangling 'Spaniel's ear' on the right hand side to cover the shoulder the plank was carried on.
Think of Clement Freud's bloodhound 'Henry' with one ear tied behind his head to get some idea of the bizarre effect.
These films never fail to inform and please.
Where I change train to go home. Always reminds me of the subway tunnels in Fallout 3.
Good name! As a Canadian resident, I see our water (atleast on the west coast) as really clean and refreshing. Hopefully that's the same as it is for the London commuters.
Sadly not
I wish! The Thames is disgusting. Still, a lot cleaner than it was in the Victorian times.
@@davidbray5982 yah.. I wrote this in a secretly sarcastic sense as to that, including the station being overcrowded.
@@davidbray5982 Even though it has connections, Canada Water is not part of the Thames,
Very interesting video, and as a Canada Water regular, I sometimes just come out of the station itself to admire the docks and the bus station. Just nice to do that sometimes 👍
There are a few commuters that might want to have a word with you. No tourists allowed during peak times! (or at least that is what I imagine they would say.)😂
Now I'm trying to remember the last time I was admiring a bus station.
Hi Jago from Spain and thank you for a wander around bits that I am never likely visit. Thank you also, of course, for a quick shot of my favourite station.
Very interesting! Canada Water postdated my sojourn in south east London, but it’s an area In used to know in the bleak 1980s - thank you
I live in Ottawa - one end of the long gone Ottawa Arnprior and Parry Sound railway built to transport timber destined for the UK especially waney timbers for RN destroyer decking.
Proof of the overcrowding: busiest two platform rail station in the UK (I know the complex has four platforms, but downstairs is a tube station!)
I think one big thing it needs is additional escalators from the Northbound Overground platform down to the Jubilee concourse. Often it seems like half of each Overground train arriving at the station tips out on to the platform there, but I imagine digging this out would be incredibly difficult and expensive. I do think that some folks have switched to Whitechapel for changing now the Elizabeth Line has arrived, but it can still get crowded.
Also the natural reduction in passengers on tube, rail and bus networks since covid will have contributed
I will be attempting to change at whitechapel - step free wise it is still awkward for my onward trek to Stratford , though the time is not much less than going via JL overall
Always wondered at the history of this place, many thanks 😊
Thick end of a-quarter of a century indeed. Thanks Jago, now my back hurts.
The opening of this station was a great day for Canada Water and therefore the world.
Surrey Quays station was of course originally Surrey Docks. Presumably in 1989 the powers that be felt that "quays" sounded a bit more salubrious and less industrial than "docks"
That’s exactly right, mainly for attracting new residents.
Good old developers! I do have Surrey Quays/Docks on my list for future station videos.
@@JagoHazzard Was Surrey Docks actually in Kent (my boundary knowledge is a bit iffy along the Old Kent Road)
@@highpath4776 Interesting point. It looks as if Rotherhithe and New Cross were in Surrey but Deptford was in Kent, and therefore most or all of the Surrey Docks were indeed in Surrey.
@@iankemp1131 I always thought Surrey Border was at London Bridge, near the pub where the pilgrims for Canterbury were set off by Chaucer.
I used to live at Hithe Point overlooking Albion Channel and just the very top of the Canary Wharf buildings across the river. So much has changed though that I barely recognise it anymore!
I quite liked that building once you told me that it was a library :)
It’s a distinctive building with a public purpose. Honestly, I joke, but I quite like it.
@@JagoHazzard I did laugh at your description of it though :)
I went on many trips to Canada Water since 2007/08. It’s also my nearest tube station.
Finally managed to take a ride on the Elizabeth Line today...
Superb!
The trains and stations are something else!
Many thanks Jago, fascinating for this west Londoner. The name Canada Water reminds me of the old Canadian joke - 'Drink Canada Dry'!
"I saw an advert which said 'Drink Canada Dry', so I did" - attributed to Brendan Behan.
I used to live in Hackney not far from the Overground (the best railway in the world) and was at that time involved in the design work for the Jubilee Line Extension, so thanks for this lovely video on where the two worlds meet!
A Jawa sandcrawler thing is the best description of a building I’ve ever heard!
I went on the east London Underground once in 2004 before it closed and turned into an overground line. It was almost “quaint” and quite run down at the time!
Was there ever any hope of Whitechapel station re-opening. I heard that it *might* happen for years.
I visited this station once. I brought water from Canada to take a picture.
I watch A lot of different types of videos on UA-cam, but I genuinely think this is my favorite channel of them all. 👍
Sunday Story Jago Time.....
Great video😊
A station named after a drink....
@@JP_TaVeryMuch ahhhh 😉😉😉😉😉
@@JP_TaVeryMuch ViaRail serve Canada Dry on the train from Toronto to Vancouver.
When you want to get from Surrey Quays to Shoreditch, which is precisely what I wanted to do one day last year at short notice, the old East London is VERY WELL SITUATED. Otherwise, I would have had to go Canada Water on the bus, then up the Jubilee Line to London Bridge, then Northern Line to Old Street, which would have been a big faff.
As the first place that I lived, when I moved to London, Canada Water has a special place in my heart. Most of the buildings you showed around there, including the library, didn't even exist when I lived there and the East London line was still undergoing changes to turn it into one of the many London Overground lines.
Canada Water was my nearest station when I moved to London in 2013, but the surrounding area is barely recognisable now.
Wondering if the opening of the Elizabeth Line/Crossrail has reduced the overcrowding on the Jubilee Line and at Canada Water. It's an alternative way of getting to/from Canary Wharf and should have taken some passengers. I've not used the route for commuting since lock-down in 2020.
Jubilee is still very busy, fastest way from all the south london terminus i guess
@@theobrigham I guess if you want to go from Canary Wharf to London Bridge or Waterloo, the direct Jubilee Line is the obvious way to go. If you want to connect onto the Overground for North or South London or Croydon, the EL now gives an alternative route via Whitechapel, especially for the Dalston/Highbury direction.
But while there's moonlight and music and love and romance.
Let's face the music and dance 🤣
Hello all. Let's settle in for another entertaining and educational tales from the tube.
One of my ex bosses had a flat in Canada Water which was by the Thames and overlooked Canary Wharf on the other side of the river and in the evening that was a stunning view
I visited Canada Water in late February, on a day trip to London. I like to mix in a few different activities, so in addition to my visit to Tate Britain, I had a trip on the London Overground to Canada Water, walked up the Albion Channel to Surrey Water and back, and then got the Jubilee line out to Westminster before a further walk along the Thames to Millbank. All in all an excellent day out. I remember thinking that the Overground station at Whitechapel (where I got on) was a bit scruffy, but I was impressed with the architecture of Canada Water station. It reminded a bit of the more recent MRT stations in Singapore (and if you want a different underground system to enthuse about, the Singapore MRT would be an excellent choice).
Nice to see London starting to have some sort of integrated travel plan!Long may it continue!
Legend says that Jago is nursing the wound of new found nostalgia. #HazzardousForHealth
Greetings from Vancouver, Canada! I last visited Canada Water in 2013.
I used this Station when I was working in Surrey Quays Shopping Centre around 2000 , I remember being well impressed with its size .
When it's not extremely crowded, it really is one of the most convenient interchanges on the whole network. Getting from the southbound Overground to the Jubilee line platforms is barely 20 seconds of walking. The crowded bit is the change from the northbound Overground platform, which only has the one escalator to handle a large Overground train full of people. All TfL would really need to do is add another escalator there and the interchange becomes almost ideal.
Howdy, I'm from Canada! While it seems obvious now that I know it was originally a dock, I never knew why Canada Water was named as such originally. Thankful that I found it out thanks to you.
Canada water sounds like something you add to your bourbon ...with ice. I know thee an me often rant about what could have been but this one makes you wonder what the builders of the Shoreditch to New Cross line would have made of all this today,
I have been to Canada Water couple times. Very nice station I have to say. Especially when I used the Jubilee Line and London Overground. Very nice station.
I love how I’ve just moved to the area and you just so happen to make a video about my local tube station
I do miss C and A stores in the UK, cheap shirts and anoraks,.
Coats an ats
I had a “Canda” shirt, bit of a tenuous link to this video. But since you started it - do you remember Army and Navy stores too?
@@jonathanmahoney1672 Ah, which one . The House of Fraser one in Victoria Street or the Surplus Store in Manor Park ?
@@highpath4776 there was one in Bromley
Thank you! My curiosity is now satisfied. I raise a poutine in your honour.
I must admit that your previous comment was what got me wondering about the old dock itself.
@@JagoHazzardYay! I’m glad the answer was so interesting.
Visited Canada Water station many times, but have never entered (or left) the station at ground level. Always just used an an interchange. I can imagine it’s the same for lots of other users.
The Elizabeth line stopping at Whitechapel will presumably relieve Canada Water somewhat.
How is it you manage to visit all these places that I live near! I study at the university near Central station, I work near Canada Water, I discovered the random statue in North Woolwich a couple of days before you made the video :))
Next video I see will probably be "Tour around Josh's flat" at this rate 😁
A video about Canada Water Library would be interesting.
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Before it was Canada water it was Canada Dry.
You've been a lovely audience, goodnight!
As someone who has been to Canada Water for Printworks many times (The old daily mail printing factory) I have always been intrigued by the area... Wondering what's going on with the changes and it's history, especially as they where talking about knocking Printworks down :(
Thanks for the insight :)
5:54 I'm sure that entrance has always been there, it just never had the library on top of it to begin with.
Very interesting to hear how Andy Crane & Derek Griffiths were employed, prior to working for Children's BBC
Good to see how useful stations can become if the connection is right. Btw, Elizabeth line should have taken some pressure off this interchange offering an alternative connection to both Canary Wharf, City and West End.
I enioyed the Jawa Sand crawler reference there 😅
I travelled on the East London Line just once, in about 2005. I wish I'd spent more time on it before it closed.
That’s a good station
Interesting. I had no idea what the station looked like above ground. Agree with other commenters that the bakerloo line desperately needs to be extended to nx gate now to intercept some of the overground passengers trying to get into town, but linking it up with lewisham also - a major interchange for kent, and catford is likely to completely fill the trains up before hand.
I was expecting many more Canada puns and Drake references that we got in this video
Yes, and we've had longer than a Wkend to think about it too
Greetings from Montréal, Québec, Canada.
One thing that strikes me of street scenes is how often cars are standing still. Now this doesn't come as a surprise; it was the case the last time I visited London, already quite a while ago. Still, I think that London (or any other city for that matter) could do with fewer cars.
The attached shopping centre always seems much underused when I have gone there.
Hi Jago, completely off topic but I've noticed my last couple of trips from Liverpool Street to Bethnal Green, the last part of the tunnel hasn't absolutely screamed my ears off. It's been measured as the loudest part of the tube - do you know if the recent central line weekend closure meant they did some work to address it? Or any other loud bits?
The JLE has quietened down significantly after a recent closure. I can finally hear myself think on my way to work.
5:58 Very apt description! It needs an art installation next to it depicting a bunch of life-sized jawas prepping an inert R2D2 for its own "Tube" trip.
2:15 Yeah this is my regular station. They're still there if you peek over the fence but right in the middle of the construction site so who knows if they'll survive the development
6:49 Yeah theres a rush from the ELL platforms to the jubilee which is already taking trains from Stratford. It gets crazy, sometimes you gotta wait two or three trains to get on
I frequently change from north bound overground to Jubilee there. They have really underestimated the interchange. There is no way of extending the capacity with only one escalator down to the Jubilee line. Peak times I sometimes go up to ticket hall level and down again.
Has the Elizabeth Line not relieved some pressure of people going to Canary Wharf?
@@adamcetinkent I haven't noticed. The congestion comes on the interchange from Overground to Jubilee line. The relief you talk about would be on the trains of the Jubilee line and I really haven't noticed much difference. Although good point that it should be noticeable on the Jubilee line trains
And, thank you very much 🇨🇦 Jago !
As someone who has lived in the area my whole life, i can confirm:
a) the station cannot cope with large volumes of people, it is often closed (was a daily occurrence before the pandemic) due to overcrowding.
b) the shopping centre will be moved, as part of the "Masterplan" to when the cinema is, and instead new roads and sky scrapers built there instead. it is estimated about 5,000 new homes will be built there. local campaigners have been fighting to get improved transport connection implemented before this is reached, as the buses and trains will not cope with this increase in demand. If the Bakerloo line extension is passed, going to Old Kent Road, a possibility is they may bring a bus route in to serve the two stations (Similar to the old 365 route which went through the tunnel to serve Shadwell to Canada Water) as well as a possible new bus route. this all of course is contingent on the mayors office and money!
c) the area itself is quite tranquil, once you move away from the station and head towards the docks (towards the south east from the station). not much to do in terms of activities, but a walk around the docks to Greenland pier, or a walk around Southwark Park are both nice options to see the local area
Having used Canada Water as an interchange for a frantic few weeks in 2018, can confirm it struggles with the weight of rush-hour passengers.
So much so that I gave up the slower, cheaper West Croydon - Canada Water - Canary Wharf commute for the faster, pricier East Croydon - London Bridge - Canary Wharf journey…
Try Shadwell and onto the DLR as a slower cheaper route ?
@@highpath4776 Or nowadays Whitechapel and the Elizabeth Line. May depend partly which bit of Canary Wharf you want to get to; I reckon it's the most spread out interchange on the Underground, even more so than Bank, with all 3 stations being separate for practical purposes.
Being a Peckham resident I often interchange at Canada Water heading out to or coming back from East London. I'm not looking forward to the increase in traffic in what is already an overcongested corner of the city. Indeed, some of my most aggravating experiences have been when I've ended up in Canada Water with no trains running to go home and having to wait for the one bus that goes my way and is already delayed by the traffic.
By pure coincidence, the Canary Wharf developers, Olympia & York, hailed from... Canada.
As seen in the infamous photo below a menacing Heinkel He-111.
Once again I will recommend Foster's "Docklands: Cultures in Conflict, Worlds in Collision" to any and all.
So nice to see Stanmore, however briefly. My father commuted from that station when we lived in London back in the late 1960s.
The Canada Water rotunda is quite lovely. Not quite sure what to make of the Jawa library.
I also liked the "Jawa Sandcrawler Thing" comment...One can almost imagine C3PO and R2D2 arguing over who forgot the Oystercard?
A missed opportunity to use the phrase“You are the loose soiling to my watery interchange”
Not only is the interchange too small (just one escalator between the lines) but the Overground platforms are just as short as those at Rotherhithe, which prevents the ELL running longer trains.
just run really long trains, with SDO, indeed the rear could be Surrey Docks and the Front Canada Water, rinse and repeat for Rotherhithe
In hindsight, the Government should have taken account of the possibility of the East London Line Extension actually being built when building Canada Water.
@@highpath4776 Another Solution could be to extend the ELL Platforms Northwards to directly join up with Rotherhithe Station Platforms themselves. Thus combining Canada Water & Rotherhithe into a Single Station.
Or you could simply extend the platform's southward instead.
At the time of Canada Water Station's construction there was a design produced with longer platforms for the ELL, but it was not progressed.
@@CranesEtcTV A great example of why short-term cost cutting ends up costing more in the long-term...
Hello from Canada Land!
Another enjoyable video, Jago. I was interested in your comments on overcrowding at Canada Water, about to be exacerbated by a new development. It might be worth looking at Finchley Road and the trio of stations at West Hampstead (Underground, Overground, Wombling free, er, I mean, Thameslink) in this regard. Both tube stations are already overcrowded during the morning rush hour. Typing the words "O2 development" and Landsec into the search engine of your choice will tell you all need to know.
West Hampstead is completely fine during morning rush hour (usually travel through around 8:15-8:30). Finchley Road never seems too bad either
Fine upstanding, decent folks south of the water... not like them claret and blue toting lot over in for'n lands chim chimneying around the place, for me too it will always be Surrey Docks and even today there is still that whiff of burnt peanuts from the Percy Dalton's conflagration that saw the factory burn to the ground. You could always tell where you were in south London by the niffs, Bermondsey had the malty Sarsons niff and the sugary Peek Freans niff, Deptford had the peanuts, Greenwich had the horse rendering plant which was quite horrible on a still summers day, Abbey Wood the station was next to a smelter's and that burnt clutch smell always a charm as it did fight off the pong from Tunnel Refineries, happy days :)
Been through here a number of times. Very nice station and local area by the library. I haven't noticed the overcrowding, but maybe I wasn't there at peak times. One option I imagine would be to increase the frequency of Overground trains. According to an article in Modern Railways from 2019, the capacity at that time was 18 trains per hour, and there was scope to increase it to 24tph in 3 phases through various upgrades to signalling and stabling of stock.
This is my local station and this video is fantastic
An excellent summary. Many thanks.
When I saw the title "O Canada Water" - I'd thought that you had gone to Canada - b/c I didn't know that there was a place in London Called 'Canada Water!!! 😀😉🚂🚂🚂
There may be trouble ahead 😆 That’s what the pessimist said, when walking along the tunnel upon seeing the lights at the end of the tunnel …the lights of a train coming the other way 😂