This is an exclusive, never-before seen interview. We are indebted to Marilyn Wayne and Sam Perroni for their cooperation. See our Natalie Wood playlist for an ongoing series of interviews with Sam Peronni, the man conducting the interview with Ms. Wayne. Mr. Perroni’s book: Brainstorm: An Investigation of the Mysterious Death of Film Star Natalie Wood is available at: www.amazon.com/Brainstorm-Investigation-Mysterious-Death-Natalie/dp/1637583737?ref=d6k_applink_bb_dls&dplnkId=e0ed6e35-21ac-4dd8-b875-8840a8caeea6 and nataliewoodbrainstorm.com ALL PROCEEDS GO TO CHARITY IN HONOR OF NATALIE.
Thank you for this. I was named after Natalie Wood. I was born in 1984, so after she passed. Some may say I have an obsession with this case. I say it came with my name. I just have a quick question, why is she in front of a green screen? Was this part of or supposed to be part of a documentary? I was just curious Thank you again
@icnataliejune84 Thank you SO much for your support ❤️. I think the green screen was just an arbitrary decision at the studio where the video was shot.
@@donkey3187You are here in every comment defending Wagner, it's really annoying and you come across as somebody who has a lot of free time. Not saying Wagner IS the killer, but he definetly is suspicious.
@@juliegoff1731 I'm pretty sure Wagner was ALWAYS a person of interest also the man that was the guest on the boat as an accomplice however back in the day, Robert Wagner especially was a big time actor as was Natalie wood. The studio would have done everything in their power to cover this up! That's just the way it was back then. Robert Wagner was a super popular and bankable star in his day and he made a fortune for the studio. Yes, they would have covered this right up, called this an accident and called it a day.
@@donkey3187 Perhaps they’ve read extensively the series of events and testimonials by Wagner and Walken and feel he’s guilty, like I have. There’s a lot of incriminating evidence. If you had to literally see with you own eyes an event to know someone’s guilty almost no one would ever be convicted.
The steady cry of Natalie saying she was drowning was probably because she was already in the midst of drowning and probably to weak to cry out louder. I once almost drowned and remember that feeling of not being able to yell out loud enough.
Also Natalie was deathly afraid of the water, couldn't swim and a psychic told her as a child she would meet her end in the water! She was also very intoxicated (as was Wagner & Walken.) so her weakened state & frigid waters in pitch black night ddn't help.
@@elkadosh4726 Actually, Marilyn specifically said that her cries for help sounded normal - so she didn't sound drunk. That being said, if the water was frigid and you were fighting for your help I believe that would sober you up. IMO.
@@ElizzzaB they were all drunk. Wagner and Walken arguing. Natalie may have left them to get attention. I think the captain told this many years ago but he did wait long after the drowning to tell. She fell in water and Wagner was going to let her panic a while.
Such a shame..Robert Wagner had everything to do with her drowning...Back then we'll all felt the same way,we still do... Nathalie couldn't even swim.... Terrible that he got away with that...
@@SimpleLifeAlways81educate yourself on the facts of the case. She even touched on some of them here ? You want someone to draw you a picture ??!! Don’t be so dense
17 days before Stephanie Powers boyfriend William Holden took a fatal fall. I just find it very strange both stars of Hart to Hart significant others tragically died.
I believe RJ and Stefanie were secret lovers. I've watched so many videos on them. I think they were in love and that's what made Hart to Hart so special. You could feel their feelings for each other. She is extremely intelligent and must have realized how it would look if they got together. The movies they made feel very different. They are just actors and the passion is gone. They were on fire for the first three years. They were so hot together. There's video of them being at a parade and she's giving him a huge smile until you see Natalie and the kids show up. She even referred to them as unattractive at one point.
Yes. There is much speculation leading to that narrative, but the cops botched the investigation. There's a mountain of circumstantial evidence, but not enough to pursue since the cops involved were either stupid, influenced by fame or both. Wagner and Walken were so drunk though, that she may have just fell off and the 2 drunk idiots she was with, left her for dead from being too wasted or passed out to help. Either way, they should have done some jail time, but there's a separate set of consequences for the rich and famous. It's called have a nice day Rich Folks. Nothing to see here. But yeah, I'm with you. Robert Wagner likely helped her into the drink and did nothing to save her or was too incompetent to do so.
@@donkey3187 Yes, I believe that Robert Wagner is as innocent as O.J. Simpson was. No witnesses. No proof, just circumstantial evidence, so you've got to give him the benefit of doubt. Wagner certainly would not have been the only husband- or ex -that killed his wife. There are plenty of indicators to the truth, though. Natalie's sister would know what kind of man Wagner is. She's known him for over 60 years. I'd say she has a pretty accurate bead on what happened. She said Natalie was terrified of dark water and would never have left the boat- not in the middle of the night, and especially not to transfer to a small dinghy by herself. She couldn't swim. Robert knew all of this. His refusal to have the captain turn on the search light and check the water speaks volumes. Why wouldn't he allow it if he truly was concerned about Natalie and did not want to see her hurt? I highly doubt that the Captain and Christopher Walken do not know what happened. They are both afraid of Wagner's wrath if they talk. I'm sure they justify their silence by telling themselves that breaking their silence won't bring Natalie back.
How terrible a night for Marilyn and her husband! Had there been a dingy on the front of that boat all set to go, the story may have ended differently because I honestly believe they would have gone looking. Good for her for speaking out. Poor Natalie.
@@nanwilder2853That's right. As they came into their boat slip they found out, yet were discouraged from being a witness sooner for what reason? Threat or fear? Witnesses to auto accidents speak out sooner. (Earlier reply was sarcastic...as in why so long before becoming a credible witness--no guts)
People need to read Marti Rulli's book Goodbye Splendour, Goodbye Natalie, she proves that RJ beat Natalie in her house, sound proofing their bedroom and that this was at best an involuntary manslaughter case by RJ. After reading the book (Marti has a blog as well), it's my opinion that it was manslaughter. Two full hours to call the Coast Guard, come on! Other ppl heard Natalie screaming for help as well. Rulli's book along w/the Captain's testimony to the police investigators are the reasons why the police have now changed the cause of death from accidental drowning to unknown cause of death. I applaud Marilyn for coming forward, I wish other witnesses would. Wagner has so much money, he will never face justice unfortunately. TYSM for this!!
Sadly, Ms. Rulli's book is full of bad information. One of the problems is that no one qualified in investigation and criminal law ever wrote about the case until Mr. Peronni. He explains why manslaughter doesn't apply, and why second degree murder does, in the video linked at the end of this post. Though she has a law degree and worked as an assistant in a law office, Suzanne Finstad has no experience with Criminal Law. Additionally, her testimony about the case in a deposition before a judge was ruled "not credible" by said judge. (Mr. Peronni sued the LASD to gain access to the case files requiring Ms. Finstad to be deposed. see second link. ua-cam.com/video/WIj09SPgBCE/v-deo.htmlsi=6Phj4JDbkv6-clYi ua-cam.com/video/tbBW8b9rXQA/v-deo.htmlsi=1EtVNuWQ2QAKc50B
How absolutely awful for this family to be the only witnesses to the murder of a helpless woman. My mother passed down love for Natalie Wood to myself and then I passed the love to my daughter. Thank you for telling
@stubborn mule donkey ,if you go to bed and there’s no snow on the ground but you wake up and there’s snow 9n the ground …then you know it snowed even though you never saw it snow …we all know Wagner killed her ,it all points to him .Dennis Davern is not lying ,he took a ton of polygraphs ,he never spoke for years cause he was terrified of Wagner .natalues afraid of water ,would nit be jumping into dingy in a fucking nightgown at that hour .The tremendous fight they had just prior …it’s Wagner ,I’m sad her kids side w Wagner ..and then when Davern realized she was missing he immediately wanted to put the spot light on ,go find her ,and Wagner said no let her suffer
Our society pays them so much & they are venerated as if they are gods, is it any wonder they think they are entitled to committ murder & get away from it?
Wagner cared about his image being ruined. He not only was fooling around with Walken, but had started an affair with Jill St. John. Natalie deserved love & respect
@@maddyLV21 before that he had a very steamy affair with Stefanie Powers. Just weeks before Natalie left, her lover William Holden was very sad that she was with Wagner in Hawaii and he couldn't get a hold of her. He drank himself into a stupor and fell and cut his head. He tried to clean up but unfortunately passed away. Robert spent a week at her place comforting her from the loss. Natalie passed at the end of November and by that Valentines day Jill went over to comfort him and never left.
@@lorimiller4301 That is interesting because there is evidence William Holden did not die accidentally, and Stephanie Powers was involved indirectly. Both their deaths are too close together & the parties are all intertwined. Also, the night before Natalie was killed, Wagner insisted on moving the boat to a very secluded area. Natalie said no because of choppy water. Is that suspicious or what?!
Isn't it strange that her fiance couldn't get a hold of harbor patrol, and then the helicopter that was supposed to be coming never showed up? How about the young guy in the morning, warning her to keep her mouth shut? The warning at work and the maitre d asking her if she and her fiance would like to move to a different table seems weird too. I mean, if you didn’t know any better, it sounds like a planned event that a lot of people knew about. Ms Wayne is incredibly brave to tell her story again 42 years later.
This isn't the first time powerful Hollywood celebrities, entertainment industry executives, heck even politicians have avoided prosecution from serious crimes. The Los Angeles Police Department was known for being on the payroll of the Studios and were consistently chronically inept eunuchs in their abilities to properly carry out investigations, being prosecution averse along with the DAs and coroners, no matter how obvious the crime and the suspects involved. The studios had their Mob Fixers to also make problems quickly and quietly go away to protect their high value stars. If you are looking for justice and punishment and Hollywood is involved, you won't find it here. Walken and the Captain are also parties to this crime, and have been able to squirm their way out of any accountability. Think of other cases like Robert Blake, O.J., Cosby etc. where these creepy characters got away with terrible crimes or had barely any consequences, only public opinion's revulsion of them.
It was the Sheriffs jurisdiction and who handled the drowning not LAPD, and OJ got off because the jury were azzholes racists and one juror even said it was payback for Rodney King. I worked with Kings cousin, and even she said the guy was a POS.
This is hard - and heartbreaking - to listen to. The woman is totally credible. Hadn't heard before that there seems to have been a wide-ranging coverup involving the police, media & others - that started within hours of the drowning.
Ive been in situations before when I thought I heard a child crying out, or a woman yelling for help...at night. Though I would start to ignore it and say Well, someone near is going to check...or it must have been an animal...and I would walk away for a second but MY gut would never let me do that. I always turn around and go back to check it out. I pray that I always go check it out, it saves lives
This is absolutely unbelievable...nomatter how big Natalie was as a star, she was still a woman and dispensible. I absolutely believe now Wagner had a hand in her death.
I think you’re wrong to generalize by claiming that women are dispensable. Maybe that is true in specific circumstances, especially involving rich and powerful men of influence. However ,, it is men who are dispensable among the general population.
I knew immediately Wagner did it when I heard. Wagner was in the boat, if this lady heard why didn't Wagner hear? Why didn't Wagner jump in to save her?
Wagner and Natalie had had a big argument, from my understanding, and maybe Wagner didn't know the seriousness of her in the water, though I do hear she was 'terrified' of the water. If that was the case, I wouldn't be hanging out on a boat. I don't think he knew of the seriousness of her situation. But she could have been pushed. And perhaps hit her head.
She heard Natalie drowning. I believe it happened just as she describes. She would have drowned herself along with Natalie had she been foolish enough to dive in.
Wagner and his male guest were in a tryst, still waiting for that piece of suppression to go mainstream. And why has this story never been mainstream, particularly at the time. Wagner paid off everyone, im still waiting for the captain to come clean.
@@richardhales92 - she did, they were filming a movie together and it was not completed. Wagner was jealous. That boat captain knows what happened, but he won’t talk. Maybe he will after Wagner dies.
The male guest was Natalie's costar in her next movie...he was their guest.... Christopher Walken...why he hasn't talked...he wasn't in a tryst with Wagner but he might have been with Natalie
They heard her. They must've been fighting and all drunk and didn't believe her. But why didn't they go help her. Sounds like murder from what I'm hearing.
They didn't know where she was. She said she sounded far away. It's pitch dark out. Not her fault Natalie drowned. The interviewer too, sounded like he thought she should have helped her. Again not her fault or john's. She also explained why she didn't go in the water. Makes sense to me.
Party, boats,water = danger Add night time = extremely dangerous, even if you are a good swimmer. None of us were there, all we can do is listen to these interviews and speculate.
This was a little bit before the 911 system. I believe someone pushed her and this was planned. It is a matter of jealousy. She young beautiful and successful.
I don't think they wanted her telling anyone what she heard and seen. For one, I heard Walken and Wagner were going at it, and she caught them. Might be one reason for it.
Yea, where were they during the investigations?Don’t tell me they were scared. People came forward back in the day. If you hear someone calling for help like that, especially in water, you’d think one would try to find out where that voice was coming from.
Alcohol, boats and a volatile relationship are a bad mixture. I'm not pointing a finger at anyone BUT I've never felt that Wagner was telling the whole truth. If the story he told is correct, he smashed a wine bottle in the boat's salon and got into an argument with Walken, who then retreated to his stateroom and stayed there. Not sure for how long, probably when the search was in progress....A very fishy story and I've always believed the story the Captain told.....Not only that, in defense of this lady, only a fool would jump into the ocean on a dark, cold stormy night to look for a person in the water, especially when the person could not be seen.
@@donkey3187he said 'BELIEVED', not that he's sure it was RJ, but a LOT of people believe it was him, and everybody is entitled to have their own opinion on public facts, deal with it.
Marilyn is an extremely intelligent, well put together and professional woman. I believe every word she said during this interview. And I do recognize her as an actress. She is still very pretty. I understand why her husband discouraged her from jumping in the water. IF THE HAD SEEN NATALIE IN THE WATER DROWNING and not jumped in to help her that would have been terrible. But they didn't see here therefore it was pointless to jump in the water. I believe they did all they could and all they knew to do under the circumstances. Let me add that this all happened when I was 18 years old. Even at that age I never doubted for a minute that Robert Wagner was responsible for her death. Just a feeling I got about the whole thing.
Years ago when I heard a witness had heard a woman cry for help and other voices respond to that voice, I knew Wagner knew his wife was in the water.He was too drunk and callous to rescue her so she drowned and then he and the others came up with a story.Natalie said to a medium she had been pushed.So I think Wagner and Natalie had a fight and he pushed her over the boat. He is responsible for her death but he must have some connections that has enabled him to get away with it.
Sad, these people hear someone in the water in distress and they think to call and discuss it over a period of time. No flashlights? Nothing. Then they talk more. The son stays in his room when they repeatedly ask him the time. They obviously don’t have a clue about emergencies. Poor Natalie Wood was surrounded by wealthy people with little care for her or anyone.
It is very sad, she's had to live with this all these years, but they heard a man say, "Hold on, we're coming to get you" then nothing then her husband kept trying to reach the harbor master but couldn't, then was told a helicopter was coming. All those things made them wait until the cries for help stopped..
My understanding of drowning in open water is that the person is using all of their energy to keep their head above water. They cannot yell or wave their hands around like they do in movies. In order for Natalie to repeatedly say "I'm drowning" for 15 minutes, she was probably clinging somehow to the side of the boat. How horrible.
Christopher Walken has not commented publicly about that night. So he either heard nothing, heard what he thought was fighting between an intoxicated couple or heard a murder being committed and ignored it or helped cover for Wagner because he was worried about his career and or has no conscience.
He has commented a handful of times over the years, contradicting his statements to the investigators. We will be focusing on these instances in upcoming videos.
Never knew the Harbor Patrol did not respond & helicopter did not come. Marilyn does not mention the Coast Guard. Wagner taunted Natalie while she was drowning. I thought he also said, " I'm teaching you a lesson." No justice for Natalie except for Lana Wood who keeps fighting
It was pitch dark and they never saw her. You would jump into an icy ocean in the pitch dark in an attempt to save someone you cannot even see? I doubt it.
They tried to help. They attempted to contact Harbour Patrol. It's one thing to paddle around in a dingy or small boat to look. It's another thing to jump in the water when you cannot see the victim.
Nope. Not in the dark, not in the Pacific. I was a lifeguard and saving a person in my 20’s was difficult with dead weight or fighting weight, on a sunny summer day.
@@Candy-O1776 They could have gotten that dinghy out in 20 minutes! She could even have jumped into that water with two floating vests, and thrown one of the floating vests to the drowning person when she had swam in the direction of the persons voice. There would not have been any fighting weight, as Nataly sounded calm to her! They should at least have had 3 floating vests for the people on board their boat! The woman in the interview was an avid swimmer, and there is no way that the water outside of California would be colder than 10 degrees, so she wouldn't have died of hypothermia or drowned in the first hour at least if she was wearing a lifejacket. In the meanwhile, that useless guy she was dating could have put the dinghy on the water and gone looking for both her and the drowning person. Nobody did anything to help, and blames everybody else!! What are the odds? They had deflated their dinghy and didn't inflate it again, they didn't get through to the rescuers, there was a party in the other boat that promised to help but didn't, they didn't ask them to borrow their working dinghy or communicate with the people on the party boat, nobody used flashlights, and they didn't have any floating vests to spare!? If I was Wagner who loved my wife, and then was told that a woman who was an avid swimmer had heard my wife's plea for help, but had decided not to help her, but recorded the time it took for her to drown instead, then I would have walked past her and ignored her also!
Don't people who own boats have dingys in case of rescue, life boys, get the boat moving, this is the most ridiculous thing I have heard,they sure minded their own business 😮😮😮
@@lorimiller4301 O !!!Please , what nonsense 😒 I'm not buying a word of this, they were well able to get there boat moving at 5 am , great swimmer, all dingys have inflation, all boats have good light!
@@lorimiller4301 Most boaters do not deflate their inflatable dingy's. I grew up around boats, in fact I was born on a boat and I know what I am talking about. A dingy deflated or not taken on a boating trip is useless in an emergency. No knowledgeable mariner or boater would do this.
I saved a child from drowning once and all those things she thought before she decided to not jump in amazes me. I only had one thought save that child. I was not an excellent swimmer as she was. Well any way my thought is she was not there ,she is just putting herself into the story
4I wondered if they couldn't have moved the boat towards her. Didn't they have a life preserver? I don't mean to be critical, but I would have desperately tried to find some way to save her. Also, how far out were they? Why didn't rescue show up in fast moving motor boats? There were boats nearby so I would think they weren't out too far.
Harbor patrol also was seriously negligent and may have been behind the threats. The mention of the generator sounds actually may have actually prevented Natalie from hearing Marilyn's voice. I just don't understand why they didn't move their boat to rescue her themselves. Although I heard her say she thought the 3 o'clock boat was going to but didn't it means they could have moved their boat to her too.
The portion of this ear witness statement that I cannot understand is why neither this woman nor “John” did not immediately call the coastguard after hearing “help me, I’m drowning.” They should have directly called the coastguard when he had to call the harbor master more than once. They should have also called the police and any other emergency response teams available (911). Who debates the consequences to themselves when someone is actively drowning? Obviously, time was of the essence to take action. If neither wanted to jump into the water to save her, that is up to them, but you do not waste time debating while someone is dying. You do what you can (keep calling for help). How could they go to sleep under these conditions. With her job, one must be analytical. Unfortunately, I do not see that quality here.
The death of Natalie Wood still evokes major interest decades later.The case was reopened in recent years with Robert Wagner named as a person of interest.But will the truth ever be revealed.?.
And everybody was like okay. Let's turn on some lights so we can see her. And he said not to turn the lights on. Why would you do that? I mean that alone.
Wagner is the murderer, there can be no denying even after all these years. Walken is complicite as is the captain of that boat. The captain tried coming out a few years ago to assuage his "conscience". I remeber the article back in November '81. I was 27 then. I never liked Wagner even in his earlier years of "acting". This was his best rôle in his entire career . They aught to make a movie of it some day. The true story.
Natalie said yo her sister explaining why she married Robert for the second time Better the Devil you know than the Devil you dont know.She didnt know the Devil as well as she thought she did.
Why didn’t her husband help Natalie… this is disgusting to hear her minutes of fame when she and or her husband could’ve saved her by at least trying to throw a lifesaver . A tragic sad death of a beautiful young woman. I always felt Natalie’s husband killed her on purpose from the time the news came out. Wagner wasted no time getting married again.
They were too busy discussing all the reasons why they shouldn't try and save her and going over the time stamps from her son's new digital watch. If this is true, it's absolutely disgusting.
@frankiereno Agree. I don't like this woman, I don't believe her full accounting of what happened, and it's disgusting and shameful that between the two of them they did not do ANYTHING to help Natalie other than allegedly call for the harbor patrol. How they could just go to sleep as if nothing happened is astonishing.
@@qso3566 yes, I thought the same thing…. How could they go to sleep. I wonder if she knew it was Natalie’s boat and out of jealousy as actresses, she didn’t do anything bcz she wanted her to die. You made a very good point. Now I’m more convinced this woman is hiding the truth yet enjoys being in front of the camera to feel important once again. Had I been with a man on board I’d have asked him to help her if I was scared to go into the water and I’d have made the phone calls that he supposing did. Thank you for your validation in my assessment.
@@frankiereno 👍And you make a good point about the man taking the more physical action and Marilyn being the one on the phone ... didn't their boat have a dinghy or a lifeboat that he could jump into and row out there? Did they not have ANY emergency flares on their boat that they could have used? And her claim that no one at harbor patrol answered despite multiple calls seems sketchy. So NO ONE showed up and they just went to bed? And why on earth would the harbor patrol come around at 5 in the morning to collect "harbor fees"? Is that standard procedure? I also noticed that she said when they got back to the docking space at Newport Beach and someone told them Natalie had drowned, she says she and John "closed all the windows and all the doors and sat down and said ... not much of anything" ... my FIRST thought when I heard her say that was that they were going to discuss how to get their stories straight about what happened. 🤔🤔🤔 Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but something does not add up about this woman's story. And I will forever believe that Wagner IS responsible for Natalie's death, either intentionally or by accident, and he should pay for it because Natalie deserves justice.
If she heard her screaming then the men on the boat where she was drowning should have heard her screaming but they chose to let her drown. Robert Wagner always acts guilty whenever he talks about it. God knows the truth and if he is guilty of her death then God will judge him very harshly.
So why didn't she and others respond. 20 mins and she did nothing mmm. How do you know when you did nothing mmm. Why didn't they shine their lights on the water.
Why didn't this lady lay on the boat's horn to alert other boaters? These boats were anchored in the bay and they were not the only ones. Believe me, a ship's horn being blasted at night would get the attention of every boat there. Also, most boats have VHS radios and most boats use the same channel. They could have got on the VHS and sent out an alert, not everyone was in bed at that time and not everyone turns off their VHS at night....much more could have been done at the time. While I respect this lady coming forward, more could have been done. Amateur boaters, Jeeze!
Natalie's daughter (and I believe her siblings) are steadfast in their belief that Wagner had nothing to do with Natalie's death. They seem confused/frustrated why their aunt (Natalie's sister) believes something nefarious happened. In my opinion, there are too many questions and red flags.
I believe that those two were involved in something sinful and she discovered them. I have had some psychic abilities since I was a child and I feel that they had a very quiet relationship, which at this time would be normal for that type of relationship. But before in those years it would have been a big scandal. Rest in Peace Mrs. Natalie Wood!
It says in the Bible that it's a sin. That's how you know the Bible was written by men. They may have been channeling the Angels or God Himself but it was written by men. God made some bodies gay so of course He doesn't hate them. If He did they simply wouldn't exist but they do. So, if they are alive it's because God is fine with it. I have even heard that that is where the male G spot is. 😅 Certainly not by happenstance! 😂🎉❤
I am a 'sensitive' person myself and get 'gut feelings' from time to time and I've watched Wagner's interviews more than once and there is something 'off' in his mannerisms when speaking about it. My 'gut' tells me he's withholding info and outright lying at times, but 'gut feelings' are not enough for the law to lay charges. No matter, sometimes you just 'know what you know'.
In one of the movies wagner stared in, he pushed girl off roof to her death. The question is, did he mimick this film and push Natalie off the boat? Did he have an alteria motive and plan this? Dont think anyone worked hard enough on this cold case!
@@elaine_1111 Not necessarily. Wagner got into an argument with him and he went to his stateroom. He was still there when Natalie 'disappeared'. He truly may not have 'first hand' knowledge of what happened after he went to his stateroom. I think he told what he knew and for whatever reason washed his hands of it and didn't publicly speculate. Of course, I don't think he'll ever retract his statement as long as Wagner is alive and maybe not even then, because of Wagner's and Natalie's children.
Harbor ppl could come out to collect the mooring fee but not when someone was drowning? Wtf Why are people in the comments blaming this woman and the people on her boat for not saving Natalie they already said they couldn't see where she was. ..... What were they going to do, jump in and just swim around randomly in pitch black Critical thinking is key
I agree. I almost drown in a public pool and was just bobbing up and down and didn't think of yelling for help. Someone notice me bobbing and grab me by my hair and pulled me to the shallow end of the pool. If she was yelling, I believe she was holding on to something.
The interesting thing about this woman and her account is if all they witnessed was someone screaming for help, and they didn't witness how the woman got into the water why was her account a problem? Why discredit her? Imo because it messes up the timeline and shows there was a huge gap where she could've been saved by habor patrol etc. It also shows a lack of response from harbor patrol, after they called many times which is odd/sus This case has always fascinated me
The harbor Master's response to this woman the next day shows that he was either notified that night by Wagner and told to stand down, or was threatened and paid off the next morning. His karma's coming also when he dies.
I hope someone has the courage, one day soon, to expose the truth about RW. I don’t really care how old he is. True crimers will get to the truth! This needs to be brought out on some of these podcasts. Nancy Grace: Get on the case!
I don't think I could stand there hearing someone's screams for help, and do absolutely nothing - no matter my sole responsibilities had. This is f'ing unbelievable. If someone could have told her to float on her back, if she had, she would not have drowned. She likely panicked bc she feared the water. She almost drowned at 11. A gypsy told her mother long ago that one of her children would become a star and would die by drowning. She wasn't wrong.
Very interesting and kudos for tracking her down. I feel she was there but it waaaay over dramatizing her “role” in what happened. A need to be a part of something that she was a spectator not a participant. She’s an actress… it shows.
She decides to have a CONVERSATION with a drowning person? INSTEAD OF PUTTING A SPOT LIGHT ON THE DIRECTION OF THE VOICE. ALL THESE YEARS LATER SHES TRYING TO remember the details? NO she knows all the exact details and is able to rattle them off, - THIS LADY IS LYING. in my opinion.
@@mrsg.9273damn, you two just know exactly what they had and what you would do all there in your fantasyland where you’d do everything perfectly and save the day . . . Hmmmm.
It is odd that nobody tried to go to person that cried for 20 minutes for help. I know that you never know the circumstances but I would feel guilty if I didn’t try to help.
20 minutes, according to Marilyn in her interview here. If that amount of time is indeed accurate, I find it sad that no one from a local boat didn't say, 'let's go see what's going on'
I wouldn't expect someone to dive into the dark cold sea, especially if you're not strong enough to rescue them but I don't understand why no one sailed around to at least look and the throw a life belt or something. It's tragic what happened to Natalie.
@@richardhales92 It's horrible to know how terrifying Natalie's death was. Shrouded in secrecy. All terribly suspicious. If I heard someone in distress like that it would haunt me. R.I.P Natalie.
@@Maggie-j3r Either she was trying to get into the dinghy and didn't make it or maybe she was pushed. If she was desiring to sleep with Walken, as her husband, I might say "leave her there" not knowing she would drown.
Wagner was in bed with Walken which started the fight, he threw her in the water with contempt to shut her up with no intention to see if she was alright. He knew she didn't like water and she was drunk. What contempt. He is guilty depraved indifference at the very least.
I don't believe that. I doubt he threw her into the water. I do believe he knew she was in trouble somehow and deliberately ignored it and did nothing to help or find her. He might very well have been thinking, 'to hell with her, let her go'. He'd never ever admit that though.
@@ericwilliams626 Thank you! I just googled this and found several reports about the new report. I'd forgotten that she was wearing her nightgown. I doubt she would have tried to take the dingy ashore in that attire. In fact, I doubt she'd have tried to go alone in the dingy at all. Now that I think about it, they could have taken the argument up on deck, possibly she trying to distance herself from Wagner and him pushing her and she fell overboard. It's possible the bruising came from him trying to drag her back into the cabin though...either way, he's culpable, either of pushing her or not trying to get her out of the water if she fell accidentally. One interesting thing I've found out that Natalie died in Nov of 1981 and Wagner was in a relationship with Jill St John as of Valentine's Day 1982. That doesn't sound like a grieving husband to me.
Alcohol seems to always play a big part in these tragedies- murders. I have heard it said, (by experts), - that alcohol is a worse drug than heroin when it comes to deaths and accidents. We have all been brought up to drink alcohol- brainwashed maybe?- that it’s normal and safe- to drink alcohol but I think it’s much smarter not to. They were all drunk and drunkenness and water really don’t mix. Which is not to say that Natalie brought any of this on herself- She didn’t. 🙏 Poor Natalie did not deserve this horrible end. R IP Natalie Wood.
So nobody had lights to help find this person in the dark? The harbor patrol wasn’t answering? Okay. I just really wished someone had cared enough- enough to turn on a flashlight, enough to call local police/emergency services, enough to scream out “a woman is drowning!” I think most people believe RW killed Natalie & so do I, but others are not blameless.
This is an exclusive, never-before seen interview. We are indebted to Marilyn Wayne and Sam Perroni for their cooperation.
See our Natalie Wood playlist for an ongoing series of interviews with Sam Peronni, the man conducting the interview with Ms. Wayne.
Mr. Perroni’s book:
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Thank you for this. I was named after Natalie Wood. I was born in 1984, so after she passed. Some may say I have an obsession with this case. I say it came with my name. I just have a quick question, why is she in front of a green screen? Was this part of or supposed to be part of a documentary? I was just curious Thank you again
@icnataliejune84 Thank you SO much for your support ❤️. I think the green screen was just an arbitrary decision at the studio where the video was shot.
Of course the low life coward did
I think so too
If Natalie was pushed over after a fight and her husband did nothing, is it MURDER? YES IT IS!
@@donkey3187You are here in every comment defending Wagner, it's really annoying and you come across as somebody who has a lot of free time. Not saying Wagner IS the killer, but he definetly is suspicious.
The police sure as do suspect Wagner now !! Yes they do,he is considered a person of interest
@@juliegoff1731 I'm pretty sure Wagner was ALWAYS a person of interest also the man that was the guest on the boat as an accomplice however back in the day, Robert Wagner especially was a big time actor as was Natalie wood. The studio would have done everything in their power to cover this up! That's just the way it was back then. Robert Wagner was a super popular and bankable star in his day and he made a fortune for the studio. Yes, they would have covered this right up, called this an accident and called it a day.
@fernandomaron87 WAGNER Is the killer.
It's very suspicious that no one responded to their calls.
Sounds like a set-up/ cover-up.
because there were non , detective sorted it out already
Strange People don't want to get involved
However it's a matter.of life a d death
Wagner should have been in prison years ago. He has lived a comfortable life and has no conviction. His karma will be when he meets his maker 💯🗝️
@@donkey3187 Perhaps they’ve read extensively the series of events and testimonials by Wagner and Walken and feel he’s guilty, like I have. There’s a lot of incriminating evidence. If you had to literally see with you own eyes an event to know someone’s guilty almost no one would ever be convicted.
@@donkey3187 disregard my previous comment, thought you were referring to a different comment of mine, carry on 😉
@ellap364 also probably inherited her estate which was likely bigger than his
Ninety-two year old Wagner will be brought before God soon. This poor woman has lived with this criminal coverup for too long. RIP Natalie Wood😢
Wrong.
If there is no God, then he got away with it
The steady cry of Natalie saying she was drowning was probably because she was already in the midst of drowning and probably to weak to cry out louder. I once almost drowned and remember that feeling of not being able to yell out loud enough.
Interesting! Take care of yourself.
Also Natalie was deathly afraid of the water, couldn't swim and a psychic told her as a child she would meet her end in the water! She was also very intoxicated (as was Wagner & Walken.) so her weakened state & frigid waters in pitch black night ddn't help.
@@elkadosh4726 Actually, Marilyn specifically said that her cries for help sounded normal - so she didn't sound drunk. That being said, if the water was frigid and you were fighting for your help I believe that would sober you up. IMO.
I always heard Wagner and Walken heard her but Wagner wanted to teach her a lesson.
@@ElizzzaB they were all drunk. Wagner and Walken arguing. Natalie may have left them to get attention. I think the captain told this many years ago but he did wait long after the drowning to tell. She fell in water and Wagner was going to let her panic a while.
Such a shame..Robert Wagner had everything to do with her drowning...Back then we'll all felt the same way,we still do... Nathalie couldn't even swim.... Terrible that he got away with that...
On this side
Theres something wrong with you.@@stjohnbaby
@@stjohnbabyTruth 💯
AND CHRISTOPHER WALKEN 😮😮
@@Siouxsi-Sioux Back at ya
If you know whats good for you,you'll keep your mouth shut" was a threat! Very suspicious!
I am so happy she was able to tell her truth after all these years, the truth will always prevail.
Robert Wagner and accomplices will soon meet his maker and it will be worse than drowning. Bless Natalie's soul. ❤❤❤
Robert Wagner has a lot to answer for.
My opinion, Robert Wagner killed Natalie. Period.
I , also believe that Robert Wagner killed Natalie Wood! Natalie is trying to tell us from the other side! God knows the truth!!!
Why you say that?
I think the same thing
@@SimpleLifeAlways81educate yourself on the facts of the case. She even touched on some of them here ? You want someone to draw you a picture ??!! Don’t be so dense
I think so too...
17 days before Stephanie Powers boyfriend William Holden took a fatal fall.
I just find it very strange both stars of Hart to Hart significant others tragically died.
I believe RJ and Stefanie were secret lovers. I've watched so many videos on them. I think they were in love and that's what made Hart to Hart so special. You could feel their feelings for each other.
She is extremely intelligent and must have realized how it would look if they got together.
The movies they made feel very different. They are just actors and the passion is gone. They were on fire for the first three years. They were so hot together.
There's video of them being at a parade and she's giving him a huge smile until you see Natalie and the kids show up. She even referred to them as unattractive at one point.
@@lorimiller4301How do you know Stephanie Powers is extremely intelligent?
Because when they met, it was murder!
@@katesleuth1156 she is said to speak six languages fluently
I didn't realize the deaths were so close together.
Robert Wagner knew and let Natalie drown.
Do you have proof? No.
You don't know that..
Yes. He ordered his Splendor captain not to put on searchlights, nor call the harbor patrol.
Yes. There is much speculation leading to that narrative, but the cops botched the investigation. There's a mountain of circumstantial evidence, but not enough to pursue since the cops involved were either stupid, influenced by fame or both. Wagner and Walken were so drunk though, that she may have just fell off and the 2 drunk idiots she was with, left her for dead from being too wasted or passed out to help. Either way, they should have done some jail time, but there's a separate set of consequences for the rich and famous. It's called have a nice day Rich Folks. Nothing to see here. But yeah, I'm with you. Robert Wagner likely helped her into the drink and did nothing to save her or was too incompetent to do so.
@@donkey3187 Yes, I believe that Robert Wagner is as innocent as O.J. Simpson was. No witnesses. No proof, just circumstantial evidence, so you've got to give him the benefit of doubt.
Wagner certainly would not have been the only husband- or ex -that killed his wife.
There are plenty of indicators to the truth, though.
Natalie's sister would know what kind of man Wagner is. She's known him for over 60 years. I'd say she has a pretty accurate bead on what happened.
She said Natalie was terrified of dark water and would never have left the boat- not in the middle of the night, and especially not to transfer to a small dinghy by herself. She couldn't swim. Robert knew all of this. His refusal to have the captain turn on the search light and check the water speaks volumes. Why wouldn't he allow it if he truly was concerned about Natalie and did not want to see her hurt?
I highly doubt that the Captain and Christopher Walken do not know what happened. They are both afraid of Wagner's wrath if they talk. I'm sure they justify their silence by telling themselves that breaking their silence won't bring Natalie back.
What a brave and intelligent witness Marilyn is! I admire her tenacity.
How terrible a night for Marilyn and her husband! Had there been a dingy on the front of that boat all set to go, the story may have ended differently because I honestly believe they would have gone looking. Good for her for speaking out.
Poor Natalie.
Years later.....please!
Sorry, they let a woman drown and didn't help. Calling Harbour Patrol is a nonsense. In their hearts they know they could have done far more.
@@lynndurbin9476: She herself said she was silent for “19 years”, during this interview!
@@nanwilder2853That's right. As they came into their boat slip they found out, yet were discouraged from being a witness sooner for what reason? Threat or fear? Witnesses to auto accidents speak out sooner. (Earlier reply was sarcastic...as in why so long before becoming a credible witness--no guts)
People need to read Marti Rulli's book Goodbye Splendour, Goodbye Natalie, she proves that RJ beat Natalie in her house, sound proofing their bedroom and that this was at best an involuntary manslaughter case by RJ. After reading the book (Marti has a blog as well), it's my opinion that it was manslaughter. Two full hours to call the Coast Guard, come on! Other ppl heard Natalie screaming for help as well. Rulli's book along w/the Captain's testimony to the police investigators are the reasons why the police have now changed the cause of death from accidental drowning to unknown cause of death. I applaud Marilyn for coming forward, I wish other witnesses would. Wagner has so much money, he will never face justice unfortunately. TYSM for this!!
Sadly, Ms. Rulli's book is full of bad information. One of the problems is that no one qualified in investigation and criminal law ever wrote about the case until Mr. Peronni. He explains why manslaughter doesn't apply, and why second degree murder does, in the video linked at the end of this post. Though she has a law degree and worked as an assistant in a law office, Suzanne Finstad has no experience with Criminal Law. Additionally, her testimony about the case in a deposition before a judge was ruled "not credible" by said judge. (Mr. Peronni sued the LASD to gain access to the case files requiring Ms. Finstad to be deposed. see second link.
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How absolutely awful for this family to be the only witnesses to the murder of a helpless woman.
My mother passed down love for Natalie Wood to myself and then I passed the love to my daughter. Thank you for telling
I’ve had enough of these entitled actors & no longer watch award shows of any sort. Robert Wagner got away with murder.
@stubborn mule donkey ,if you go to bed and there’s no snow on the ground but you wake up and there’s snow 9n the ground …then you know it snowed even though you never saw it snow …we all know Wagner killed her ,it all points to him .Dennis Davern is not lying ,he took a ton of polygraphs ,he never spoke for years cause he was terrified of Wagner .natalues afraid of water ,would nit be jumping into dingy in a fucking nightgown at that hour .The tremendous fight they had just prior …it’s Wagner ,I’m sad her kids side w Wagner ..and then when Davern realized she was missing he immediately wanted to put the spot light on ,go find her ,and Wagner said no let her suffer
Our society pays them so much & they are venerated as if they are gods, is it any wonder they think they are entitled to committ murder & get away from it?
Poor Natalie was probably already gone at 20 past 11pm. Never sat right with me that Robert never wanted to look for her. Just horrible
Lesson to learn - never tell your intentions to a man that stands to lose money and/or children.
Or a woman.
Wagner cared about his image being ruined. He not only was fooling around with Walken, but had started an affair with Jill St. John. Natalie deserved love & respect
@@maddyLV21 before that he had a very steamy affair with Stefanie Powers. Just weeks before Natalie left, her lover William Holden was very sad that she was with Wagner in Hawaii and he couldn't get a hold of her.
He drank himself into a stupor and fell and cut his head. He tried to clean up but unfortunately passed away.
Robert spent a week at her place comforting her from the loss.
Natalie passed at the end of November and by that Valentines day Jill went over to comfort him and never left.
And never tell when you're leaving them you could get murdered!
@@lorimiller4301 That is interesting because there is evidence William Holden did not die accidentally, and Stephanie Powers was involved indirectly. Both their deaths are too close together & the parties are all intertwined. Also, the night before Natalie was killed, Wagner insisted on moving the boat to a very secluded area. Natalie said no because of choppy water. Is that suspicious or what?!
Isn't it strange that her fiance couldn't get a hold of harbor patrol, and then the helicopter that was supposed to be coming never showed up? How about the young guy in the morning, warning her to keep her mouth shut? The warning at work and the maitre d asking her if she and her fiance would like to move to a different table seems weird too. I mean, if you didn’t know any better, it sounds like a planned event that a lot of people knew about. Ms Wayne is incredibly brave to tell her story again 42 years later.
Bizarre. It would raise a few eyebrows I would think.
This
This isn't the first time powerful Hollywood celebrities, entertainment industry executives, heck even politicians have avoided prosecution from serious crimes.
The Los Angeles Police Department was known for being on the payroll of the Studios and were consistently chronically inept eunuchs in their abilities to properly carry out investigations, being prosecution averse along with the DAs and coroners, no matter how obvious the crime and the suspects involved. The studios had their Mob Fixers to also make problems quickly and quietly go away to protect their high value stars. If you are looking for justice and punishment and Hollywood is involved, you won't find it here.
Walken and the Captain are also parties to this crime, and have been able to squirm their way out of any accountability.
Think of other cases like Robert Blake, O.J., Cosby etc. where these creepy characters got away with terrible crimes or had barely any consequences, only public opinion's revulsion of them.
No. She should have said something to him. He was thr grieving person.
It was the Sheriffs jurisdiction and who handled the drowning not LAPD, and OJ got off because the jury were azzholes racists and one juror even said it was payback for Rodney King. I worked with Kings cousin, and even she said the guy was a POS.
"Has been hollywood actor", made me laugh. Marilyn Wayne bravo to you.
Good for Marilyn for saying exactly what needed saying. What anyone, with the exception of LA sheriff office, knows to be the truth.
Such a tragic end....She was young beautiful and full of talent....
This is hard - and heartbreaking - to listen to. The woman is totally credible. Hadn't heard before that there seems to have been a wide-ranging coverup involving the police, media & others - that started within hours of the drowning.
I would be so haunted by an experience like this. How awful, to feel so helpless.
Ive been in situations before when I thought I heard a child crying out, or a woman yelling for help...at night. Though I would start to ignore it and say Well, someone near is going to check...or it must have been an animal...and I would walk away for a second but MY gut would never let me do that. I always turn around and go back to check it out. I pray that I always go check it out, it saves lives
This is absolutely unbelievable...nomatter how big Natalie was as a star, she was still a woman and dispensible. I absolutely believe now Wagner had a hand in her death.
It’s actually males who are viewed as expendable and dispensable in society. Ever heard of war?
And Walken
I think you’re wrong to generalize by claiming that women are dispensable. Maybe that is true in specific circumstances, especially involving rich and powerful men of influence. However ,, it is men who are dispensable among the general population.
@@DarthUr-zd2hp I believe the OP was implying "considered dispensable"
@@donkey3187 What are you referring to? Wagner & Walken's involvement? Testimony, as well as shoddy investigation.
I knew immediately Wagner did it when I heard. Wagner was in the boat, if this lady heard why didn't Wagner hear? Why didn't Wagner jump in to save her?
Wagner and Natalie had had a big argument, from my understanding, and maybe Wagner didn't know the seriousness of her in the water, though I do hear she was 'terrified' of the water. If that was the case, I wouldn't be hanging out on a boat. I don't think he knew of the seriousness of her situation. But she could have been pushed. And perhaps hit her head.
Don't forget Christopher Walken was also present that night, and every night they were screaming at each other. He's no angel. He knew.
Women do all sorts of dangerous things to appear cool r Pugh to hang out with their husbands. He didn’t deserve her
The boat captain most likely knew what was going on..where was he? Passed out?
@@sandrahammond5566 Wagner wouldn't allow him to turn on the search light. He wanted to teach her a lesson.
Robert Wagner literally got away with murder. What a horrid man.
She heard Natalie drowning. I believe it happened just as she describes. She would have drowned herself along with Natalie had she been foolish enough to dive in.
Agree smart she didn’t
@@missygee531she claims she heard “we’re coming to get you” yelled to the woman screaming. So she assumed she was helped.
@@marysharvey but Marilyn could swim and dive; Natalie couldn’t swim. 7:57
Her phone must have been dead so she couldn't call the harbor cops...
Very brave of Marilyn to come forward & expose this.
Wagner and his male guest were in a tryst, still waiting for that piece of suppression to go mainstream. And why has this story never been mainstream, particularly at the time. Wagner paid off everyone, im still waiting for the captain to come clean.
I heard of rumors of that. From my research, such as it is, Natalie invited the male guest on board the boat.
@@richardhales92 - she did, they were filming a movie together and it was not completed. Wagner was jealous. That boat captain knows what happened, but he won’t talk. Maybe he will after Wagner dies.
The male guest was Natalie's costar in her next movie...he was their guest.... Christopher Walken...why he hasn't talked...he wasn't in a tryst with Wagner but he might have been with Natalie
He has. Wagner bullied him into staying at his house where he was kept prisoner for years. I heard his interview.
Robert was already moving on with his next wife and had to get rid of Natalie without losing his money .He so killed a beautiful soul
They heard her. They must've been fighting and all drunk and didn't believe her. But why didn't they go help her. Sounds like murder from what I'm hearing.
I think he believed her. But he preferred to be a widower over a broke divorcée.
Robert Wagner got away with murder he is now 94 years old. He has lived a good life.
Not a good life... an easy life. Prosperity and glamour and a big got-away-with-it. His immortal soul will face judgement-and hopefully punishment.
So did Courteney Love
I think her husband did it and Christopher walkin knows what happened. THEY NEED TO RE OPEN THIS CASE
I always liked Ms. Wayne. Class act🌹
No life saving rings! , flashlights? Unbelievable…….they went to bed…….wrf?
They didn't know where she was. She said she sounded far away. It's pitch dark out. Not her fault Natalie drowned. The interviewer too, sounded like he thought she should have helped her. Again not her fault or john's. She also explained why she didn't go in the water. Makes sense to me.
No accident at all.
They were very drunk. They had been at a restaurant on Catalina Island and were drinking quite a bit that evening.
@@lorimiller4301Not too drunk to yell at Natalie while she was drowning and tell her to hold her ? (possibly britches)
You'd think there would have been a flash light and saving ring
Party, boats,water = danger
Add night time = extremely dangerous, even if you are a good swimmer. None of us were there, all we can do is listen to these interviews and speculate.
In the final analysis, you are 100% correct.
Natalie was murdered…
This was a little bit before the 911 system. I believe someone pushed her and this was planned. It is a matter of jealousy. She young beautiful and successful.
I believe she was pushed off the boat too it's terrible they will go to hell when they pass on for doing that beautiful Natalie wood
Why? Does not make sense.
I don't think they wanted her telling anyone what she heard and seen. For one, I heard Walken and Wagner were going at it, and she caught them. Might be one reason for it.
@@tigergreg8Except that it would be really dumb to do that on a boat when the husband is there. But it is possible.
Well i heard she was haveing an affair with Christopher and wagoner lost his mind . Who knows . @tigergreg8
Yea, where were they during the investigations?Don’t tell me they were scared. People came forward back in the day. If you hear someone calling for help like that, especially in water, you’d think one would try to find out where that voice was coming from.
Thank you, 💜🦁Marilyn for speaking up about this. 💜❤️
Alcohol, boats and a volatile relationship are a bad mixture. I'm not pointing a finger at anyone BUT I've never felt that Wagner was telling the whole truth. If the story he told is correct, he smashed a wine bottle in the boat's salon and got into an argument with Walken, who then retreated to his stateroom and stayed there. Not sure for how long, probably when the search was in progress....A very fishy story and I've always believed the story the Captain told.....Not only that, in defense of this lady, only a fool would jump into the ocean on a dark, cold stormy night to look for a person in the water, especially when the person could not be seen.
What was Wagoner doing, having a melt down and smashing a bottle? No wonder Natalie got into flight mode.
Always believed it was RJ Wagner.
@@donkey3187he said 'BELIEVED', not that he's sure it was RJ, but a LOT of people believe it was him, and everybody is entitled to have their own opinion on public facts, deal with it.
Surely, if the lady heard the cry for help,Wagner had to have heard her,or even Christopher Walker.
I’ve been saying it for years. It was murder.
Marilyn is an extremely intelligent, well put together and professional woman. I believe every word she said during this interview. And I do recognize her as an actress. She is still very pretty. I understand why her husband discouraged her from jumping in the water. IF THE HAD SEEN NATALIE IN THE WATER DROWNING and not jumped in to help her that would have been terrible. But they didn't see here therefore it was pointless to jump in the water. I believe they did all they could and all they knew to do under the circumstances.
Let me add that this all happened when I was 18 years old. Even at that age I never doubted for a minute that Robert Wagner was responsible for her death. Just a feeling I got about the whole thing.
"Wait for it!"
@@lindabrennan4455 I was 18 too when this happened. I've ALWAYS gotten creepy vibes from Robert Wagner... 😒
Years ago when I heard a witness had heard a woman cry for help and other voices respond to that voice, I knew Wagner knew his wife was in the water.He was too drunk and callous to rescue her so she drowned and then he and the others came up with a story.Natalie said to a medium she had been pushed.So I think Wagner and Natalie had a fight and he pushed her over the boat. He is responsible for her death but he must have some connections that has enabled him to get away with it.
It's called Money.
Sad, these people hear someone in the water in distress and they think to call and discuss it over a period of time. No flashlights? Nothing. Then they talk more. The son stays in his room when they repeatedly ask him the time. They obviously don’t have a clue about emergencies. Poor Natalie Wood was surrounded by wealthy people with little care for her or anyone.
It is very sad, she's had to live with this all these years, but they heard a man say, "Hold on, we're coming to get you" then nothing then her husband kept trying to reach the harbor master but couldn't, then was told a helicopter was coming. All those things made them wait until the cries for help stopped..
My understanding of drowning in open water is that the person is using all of their energy to keep their head above water. They cannot yell or wave their hands around like they do in movies. In order for Natalie to repeatedly say "I'm drowning" for 15 minutes, she was probably clinging somehow to the side of the boat. How horrible.
Christopher Walken has not commented publicly about that night. So he either heard nothing, heard what he thought was fighting between an intoxicated couple or heard a murder being committed and ignored it or helped cover for Wagner because he was worried about his career and or has no conscience.
He has commented a handful of times over the years, contradicting his statements to the investigators. We will be focusing on these instances in upcoming videos.
Never knew the Harbor Patrol did not respond & helicopter did not come. Marilyn does not mention the Coast Guard. Wagner taunted Natalie while she was drowning. I thought he also said, " I'm teaching you a lesson." No justice for Natalie except for Lana Wood who keeps fighting
Wagner probably called the and told the authorities not to come.
@@jillkramer4438 I don't think that likely
@@richardhales92 He had everything covered up. He still isn't in prison.
And it's absolutely SHAMEFUL that Natalie's own daughters have not fought for justice for her!
Wagner's a monster.
Very smart down to earth women..totally credible
Sorry but they could have done something to help her, unbelievable.
It was pitch dark and they never saw her. You would jump into an icy ocean in the pitch dark in an attempt to save someone you cannot even see? I doubt it.
They tried to help. They attempted to contact Harbour Patrol. It's one thing to paddle around in a dingy or small boat to look. It's another thing to jump in the water when you cannot see the victim.
How....they didn't know where she was and Harbor patrol never responded
Nope. Not in the dark, not in the Pacific. I was a lifeguard and saving a person in my 20’s was difficult with dead weight or fighting weight, on a sunny summer day.
@@Candy-O1776 They could have gotten that dinghy out in 20 minutes! She could even have jumped into that water with two floating vests, and thrown one of the floating vests to the drowning person when she had swam in the direction of the persons voice. There would not have been any fighting weight, as Nataly sounded calm to her! They should at least have had 3 floating vests for the people on board their boat!
The woman in the interview was an avid swimmer, and there is no way that the water outside of California would be colder than 10 degrees, so she wouldn't have died of hypothermia or drowned in the first hour at least if she was wearing a lifejacket.
In the meanwhile, that useless guy she was dating could have put the dinghy on the water and gone looking for both her and the drowning person. Nobody did anything to help, and blames everybody else!!
What are the odds? They had deflated their dinghy and didn't inflate it again, they didn't get through to the rescuers, there was a party in the other boat that promised to help but didn't, they didn't ask them to borrow their working dinghy or communicate with the people on the party boat, nobody used flashlights, and they didn't have any floating vests to spare!?
If I was Wagner who loved my wife, and then was told that a woman who was an avid swimmer had heard my wife's plea for help, but had decided not to help her, but recorded the time it took for her to drown instead, then I would have walked past her and ignored her also!
Why did he not go in to help her. This lady was in her own boat and heard Natalie yell !
This was premeditated. Why didn't Walken try to help?
@@elkadosh4726 Both he and Robert Wagner were incredibly, incredibly drunk.
@@MothGirl007That is not an excuse for not coming to her aide.
Don’t forget the cocaine
@@MadgeGreen you’re right… no excuse for murder
Don't people who own boats have dingys in case of rescue, life boys, get the boat moving, this is the most ridiculous thing I have heard,they sure minded their own business 😮😮😮
Their dingy was deflated and put away. It was their last night. They couldn't see anyone in the water. It was night-time in November.
@@lorimiller4301 O !!!Please , what nonsense 😒 I'm not buying a word of this, they were well able to get there boat moving at 5 am , great swimmer, all dingys have inflation, all boats have good light!
@@lorimiller4301 Most boaters do not deflate their inflatable dingy's. I grew up around boats, in fact I was born on a boat and I know what I am talking about. A dingy deflated or not taken on a boating trip is useless in an emergency. No knowledgeable mariner or boater would do this.
@@lorimiller4301auto inflate life rafts didn’t exist? No life preserver? Life vests on a rope? Nothing?
This was so many years ago
It's sick that they didn't help her...just listened to her die...every boat has a dingy...
The video explained that,
Oh geez, I lived on a boat in the Caribbean for several years. Y’all’s just don’t get it.
Her fiance ,stupidly deflated it and put it away.
Who does that when they're vacationing on a boat with a kid??? And she married him!!!
I totally believe this lady. Im 60 yrs old, and I have always thought he is culpable for Natalie being in that water. ❤🙏
I saved a child from drowning once and all those things she thought before she decided to not jump in amazes me. I only had one thought save that child. I was not an excellent swimmer as she was. Well any way my thought is she was not there ,she is just putting herself into the story
you're wrong but think what you want.
4I wondered if they couldn't have moved the boat towards her. Didn't they have a life preserver? I don't mean to be critical, but I would have desperately tried to find some way to save her.
Also, how far out were they? Why didn't rescue show up in fast moving motor boats? There were boats nearby so I would think they weren't out too far.
Wagner probably called them and told them not to come.
It's possible the rescue people communicated with Splendor through CB
Harbor patrol also was seriously negligent and may have been behind the threats. The mention of the generator sounds actually may have actually prevented Natalie from hearing Marilyn's voice. I just don't understand why they didn't move their boat to rescue her themselves. Although I heard her say she thought the 3 o'clock boat was going to but didn't it means they could have moved their boat to her too.
The portion of this ear witness statement that I cannot understand is why neither this woman nor “John” did not immediately call the coastguard after hearing “help me, I’m drowning.” They should have directly called the coastguard when he had to call the harbor master more than once. They should have also called the police and any other emergency response teams available (911). Who debates the consequences to themselves when someone is actively drowning? Obviously, time was of the essence to take action. If neither wanted to jump into the water to save her, that is up to them, but you do not waste time debating while someone is dying. You do what you can (keep calling for help). How could they go to sleep under these conditions. With her job, one must be analytical. Unfortunately, I do not see that quality here.
excellent point
The death of Natalie Wood still evokes major interest decades later.The case was reopened in recent years with Robert Wagner named as a person of interest.But will the truth ever be revealed.?.
Brave witness! Sad about Natalie. 😢
And everybody was like okay. Let's turn on some lights so we can see her. And he said not to turn the lights on. Why would you do that? I mean that alone.
It would only work if it was a spotlight. Turning on boat lights, will not light up the dark water that far away.
Wagner is the murderer, there can be no denying even after all these years. Walken is complicite as is the captain of that boat. The captain tried coming out a few years ago to assuage his "conscience". I remeber the article back in November '81. I was 27 then. I never liked Wagner even in his earlier years of "acting". This was his best rôle in his entire career . They aught to make a movie of it some day. The true story.
I’ll bet Jill St. John never threatened him with divorce.
CUTE!
Natalie said yo her sister explaining why she married Robert for the second time Better the Devil you know than the Devil you dont know.She didnt know the Devil as well as she thought she did.
Why is she just now speaking up?? She should have spoken up decades ago!!?
They couldn't save her if they couldn't see her
Why didn’t her husband help Natalie… this is disgusting to hear her minutes of fame when she and or her husband could’ve saved her by at least trying to throw a lifesaver . A tragic sad death of a beautiful young woman. I always felt Natalie’s husband killed her on purpose from the time the news came out. Wagner wasted no time getting married again.
They were too busy discussing all the reasons why they shouldn't try and save her and going over the time stamps from her son's new digital watch. If this is true, it's absolutely disgusting.
You didn't watch the interview, she explained why, they did call for help.
@frankiereno Agree. I don't like this woman, I don't believe her full accounting of what happened, and it's disgusting and shameful that between the two of them they did not do ANYTHING to help Natalie other than allegedly call for the harbor patrol. How they could just go to sleep as if nothing happened is astonishing.
@@qso3566 yes, I thought the same thing…. How could they go to sleep. I wonder if she knew it was Natalie’s boat and out of jealousy as actresses, she didn’t do anything bcz she wanted her to die. You made a very good point. Now I’m more convinced this woman is hiding the truth yet enjoys being in front of the camera to feel important once again. Had I been with a man on board I’d have asked him to help her if I was scared to go into the water and I’d have made the phone calls that he supposing did. Thank you for your validation in my assessment.
@@frankiereno 👍And you make a good point about the man taking the more physical action and Marilyn being the one on the phone ... didn't their boat have a dinghy or a lifeboat that he could jump into and row out there? Did they not have ANY emergency flares on their boat that they could have used? And her claim that no one at harbor patrol answered despite multiple calls seems sketchy. So NO ONE showed up and they just went to bed? And why on earth would the harbor patrol come around at 5 in the morning to collect "harbor fees"? Is that standard procedure? I also noticed that she said when they got back to the docking space at Newport Beach and someone told them Natalie had drowned, she says she and John "closed all the windows and all the doors and sat down and said ... not much of anything" ... my FIRST thought when I heard her say that was that they were going to discuss how to get their stories straight about what happened. 🤔🤔🤔 Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but something does not add up about this woman's story. And I will forever believe that Wagner IS responsible for Natalie's death, either intentionally or by accident, and he should pay for it because Natalie deserves justice.
If she heard her screaming then the men on the boat where she was drowning should have heard her screaming but they chose to let her drown. Robert Wagner always acts guilty whenever he talks about it. God knows the truth and if he is guilty of her death then God will judge him very harshly.
How sad! The story I heard was that Natalie had been drinking before she " fell" overboard.😢
They'd all had a few but she and Wagner bot into a terrible fight.
So why didn't she and others respond.
20 mins and she did nothing mmm.
How do you know when you did nothing mmm.
Why didn't they shine their lights on the water.
Why didn't this lady lay on the boat's horn to alert other boaters? These boats were anchored in the bay and they were not the only ones. Believe me, a ship's horn being blasted at night would get the attention of every boat there. Also, most boats have VHS radios and most boats use the same channel. They could have got on the VHS and sent out an alert, not everyone was in bed at that time and not everyone turns off their VHS at night....much more could have been done at the time. While I respect this lady coming forward, more could have been done. Amateur boaters, Jeeze!
@lindaberg1695 great comment!
Natalie's daughter (and I believe her siblings) are steadfast in their belief that Wagner had nothing to do with Natalie's death. They seem confused/frustrated why their aunt (Natalie's sister) believes something nefarious happened. In my opinion, there are too many questions and red flags.
So sad
I believe that those two were involved in something sinful and she discovered them. I have had some psychic abilities since I was a child and I feel that they had a very quiet relationship, which at this time would be normal for that type of relationship. But before in those years it would have been a big scandal. Rest in Peace Mrs. Natalie Wood!
Sinful??
It says in the Bible that it's a sin. That's how you know the Bible was written by men.
They may have been channeling the Angels or God Himself but it was written by men.
God made some bodies gay so of course He doesn't hate them. If He did they simply wouldn't exist but they do. So, if they are alive it's because God is fine with it.
I have even heard that that is where the male G spot is. 😅 Certainly not by happenstance! 😂🎉❤
I am a 'sensitive' person myself and get 'gut feelings' from time to time and I've watched Wagner's interviews more than once and there is something 'off' in his mannerisms when speaking about it. My 'gut' tells me he's withholding info and outright lying at times, but 'gut feelings' are not enough for the law to lay charges. No matter, sometimes you just 'know what you know'.
@@lorimiller4301 Let's not cloud the issue with 'sin' please.
They had a very stormy relationship. That was known. They'd divorced once remarried and ended in her death. They had a huge fight on the boat.
Always thought Wagner murdered her. He threw her overboard, left her to drown.
In one of the movies wagner stared in, he pushed girl off roof to her death. The question is, did he mimick this film and push Natalie off the boat? Did he have an alteria motive and plan this? Dont think anyone worked hard enough on this cold case!
I wouldn't doubt it.
I think Rob thought Nat and Chris were having an affair.
But why would Chris keep his mouth shut? He was obviously in on it with Wagner.
Sadly - we'll never know the truth...
No, she caught Rob and Cris
@@elaine_1111 Not necessarily. Wagner got into an argument with him and he went to his stateroom. He was still there when Natalie 'disappeared'. He truly may not have 'first hand' knowledge of what happened after he went to his stateroom. I think he told what he knew and for whatever reason washed his hands of it and didn't publicly speculate. Of course, I don't think he'll ever retract his statement as long as Wagner is alive and maybe not even then, because of Wagner's and Natalie's children.
That's what he shouted and Walkin
We All knew he did it and everyone on that boat did too.
Poor pretty Natalie. God look after her soul. 🙏
Harbor ppl could come out to collect the mooring fee but not when someone was drowning? Wtf
Why are people in the comments blaming this woman and the people on her boat for not saving Natalie they already said they couldn't see where she was. ..... What were they going to do, jump in and just swim around randomly in pitch black
Critical thinking is key
If she was not going up and down in the water and was yelling that long, she must have been clinging to something.
I agree. I almost drown in a public pool and was just bobbing up and down and didn't think of yelling for help. Someone notice me bobbing and grab me by my hair and pulled me to the shallow end of the pool. If she was yelling, I believe she was holding on to something.
I believe she tried to escape on the dinghy and she fell out or off.
The interesting thing about this woman and her account is if all they witnessed was someone screaming for help, and they didn't witness how the woman got into the water why was her account a problem? Why discredit her?
Imo because it messes up the timeline and shows there was a huge gap where she could've been saved by habor patrol etc. It also shows a lack of response from harbor patrol, after they called many times which is odd/sus
This case has always fascinated me
The harbor Master's response to this woman the next day shows that he was either notified that night by Wagner and told to stand down, or was threatened and paid off the next morning. His karma's coming also when he dies.
I hope someone has the courage, one day soon, to expose the truth about RW. I don’t really care how old he is. True crimers will get to the truth! This needs to be brought out on some of these podcasts. Nancy Grace: Get on the case!
I don't think I could stand there hearing someone's screams for help, and do absolutely nothing - no matter my sole responsibilities had. This is f'ing unbelievable. If someone could have told her to float on her back, if she had, she would not have drowned. She likely panicked bc she feared the water. She almost drowned at 11. A gypsy told her mother long ago that one of her children would become a star and would die by drowning. She wasn't wrong.
Very interesting and kudos for tracking her down. I feel she was there but it waaaay over dramatizing her “role” in what happened. A need to be a part of something that she was a spectator not a participant. She’s an actress… it shows.
She decides to have a CONVERSATION with a drowning person? INSTEAD OF PUTTING A SPOT LIGHT ON THE DIRECTION OF THE VOICE. ALL THESE YEARS LATER SHES TRYING TO remember the details? NO she knows all the exact details and is able to rattle them off, - THIS LADY IS LYING. in my opinion.
Where were there life bb jackets? They probably even had wet suits. They could have saved her life.
@@mrsg.9273damn, you two just know exactly what they had and what you would do all there in your fantasyland where you’d do everything perfectly and save the day . . . Hmmmm.
Why didn't they go to help? Yes it's dark. But geez, total ignorance.
It is odd that nobody tried to go to person that cried for 20 minutes for help. I know that you never know the circumstances but I would feel guilty if I didn’t try to help.
20 minutes, according to Marilyn in her interview here. If that amount of time is indeed accurate, I find it sad that no one from a local boat didn't say, 'let's go see what's going on'
I wouldn't expect someone to dive into the dark cold sea, especially if you're not strong enough to rescue them but I don't understand why no one sailed around to at least look and the throw a life belt or something. It's tragic what happened to Natalie.
@@Maggie-j3r I agree. I'm surprised no one did, unless they were frightened to get involved, which, if someone's crying for help, you can't ignore
@@richardhales92 It's horrible to know how terrifying Natalie's death was. Shrouded in secrecy. All terribly suspicious. If I heard someone in distress like that it would haunt me. R.I.P Natalie.
@@Maggie-j3r Either she was trying to get into the dinghy and didn't make it or maybe she was pushed. If she was desiring to sleep with Walken, as her husband, I might say "leave her there" not knowing she would drown.
It sounds like a sacrifice.
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what does that mean? it sounds like a volatile relationship, jealousy, and Natalie was going to ask him for a divorce.
Thank you, Ms. Wayne thank you again for the truth about RJ 😢 He threw her away he wasn’t going to be divorced again.
Wagner was in bed with Walken which started the fight, he threw her in the water with contempt to shut her up with no intention to see if she was alright. He knew she didn't like water and she was drunk. What contempt. He is guilty depraved indifference at the very least.
I don't believe that. I doubt he threw her into the water. I do believe he knew she was in trouble somehow and deliberately ignored it and did nothing to help or find her. He might very well have been thinking, 'to hell with her, let her go'. He'd never ever admit that though.
@@lindaberg1695 The captain of the boat said he threw her into the water. Your beliefs don't override the facts.
@@ericwilliams626 That statement hasn't been proven but it wouldn't surprise me. Who knows?
@@lindaberg1695 The info comes from the captain of the boat. He's remained quiet all these years. It has not been a straight forward investigation.
@@ericwilliams626 Thank you! I just googled this and found several reports about the new report. I'd forgotten that she was wearing her nightgown. I doubt she would have tried to take the dingy ashore in that attire. In fact, I doubt she'd have tried to go alone in the dingy at all. Now that I think about it, they could have taken the argument up on deck, possibly she trying to distance herself from Wagner and him pushing her and she fell overboard. It's possible the bruising came from him trying to drag her back into the cabin though...either way, he's culpable, either of pushing her or not trying to get her out of the water if she fell accidentally. One interesting thing I've found out that Natalie died in Nov of 1981 and Wagner was in a relationship with Jill St John as of Valentine's Day 1982. That doesn't sound like a grieving husband to me.
Sounds like John never came up with a solution to save her. All about me and you while someone drowns in the background
Alcohol seems to always play a big part in these tragedies- murders. I have heard it said, (by experts), - that alcohol is a worse drug than heroin when it comes to deaths and accidents. We have all been brought up to drink alcohol- brainwashed maybe?- that it’s
normal and safe- to drink alcohol but I think it’s much smarter not to.
They were all drunk and drunkenness and water really don’t mix. Which is not to say that Natalie brought any of this on herself- She didn’t. 🙏 Poor Natalie did not deserve this horrible end. R IP Natalie Wood.
So nobody had lights to help find this person in the dark? The harbor patrol wasn’t answering? Okay. I just really wished someone had cared enough- enough to turn on a flashlight, enough to call local police/emergency services, enough to scream out “a woman is drowning!” I think most people believe RW killed Natalie & so do I, but others are not blameless.
I give this woman credit for having the guts to tell it like it was
I'm sorry, but surely she could have something to help. This is very disturbing