Train Simulator 2018 - Route Learning: Leeds to York via Harrogate (AP Class 142 Pacer)
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- In this episode of the route learning series, we take a look at the freeware Harrogate Loop Line available from Vulcan Productions. Following the real life timetable of train 2C20, the 09:29 Northern Rail service from Leeds to York, we travel the route in a Class 142 'Pacer' unit. Our stops along the way include Burley Park, Headingly, Horsforth, Weeton, Pannal, Hornbeam Park, Harrogate, Starbeck, Knaresborough, Cattal, Hammerton, Poppleton, and York.
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Excellent video and commentary.
For several years I did a daily commute from Knaresborough to Leeds, so it was quite a memory trip on the "Pain Train". I certainly loathed the nodding donkeys. However they were often paired with a class 153 (Bubble Car) which was far more pleasant, and I used it as often as I could. On one occasion one nodding donkey got stuck on the sharp curve at Crimple Junction.
Between Harrogate and Leeds there has been resignalling, eliminating Rigton and Horsforth boxes. The model shows the new layout at Horsforth, but Rigton box was shown in its old form, although as I remember, the whole project was commissioned at almost the same time. Before that, trains were commonly stuck outside Bramhope Tunnel, and the guard would come on to the PA and say, "Regular users of this line will know that the signalling is rather old-fashioned, and we have to wait for a train to clear Rigton Signal Box."
As for Harrogate Station, the trains like Class 142 tended to stop about 50 metres before your stopping point. In the model, the main part of the station is not modelled - it is a hideous tower block of offices above the station concourse. I could see the door to the concourse. There is an older building that is represented by the noble looking station house. This is also office accommodation that is not used by passengers. The real thing is rather scruffy and unpleasant. At the York end, the semaphores are now mounted on a modern gantry - I suspect the old one was falling apart.
The distant signal for Knaresborough (just beyond Belmont Crossing) is fixed, so when you do a scenario, be prepared for the home before the viaduct to be on, although most of the time, it was set to clear. It depended on which signalman was on duty. When the trains were up the spout, he would address the passengers on the station from the window of the box, using a megaphone. Beyond the tunnel, the track goes single, at the point where the Boroughbridge Line diverged.
Many thanks.
The line I grew up riding, I know it like the back of my hand. A very good representation of the driving technique for the route. One small correction -Bramhope Tunnel is 2 miles 241 yards. It’s a shame TS can’t produce the terrible track quality and vibration through it!
Definitely one of the best train sim channels on UA-cam, if not the best
Thank you man, I really appreciate it! :)
For a 4 car you stopped in the right place, as a two car I'd probably stop a bit more under the canopy. I spent most of my childhood spotting there
You'd be amazing at ASMR. Such a soothing voice
Haha! Thanks I guess :p
I had to chuckle at Knaresborough castle. How grand it looks on here lol
I love the station names on this line like cattle and panel XD
This is where pacers are galore. Which equals pacers galore
Harrogate will have a direct route to London's Kings Cross in the near future, by the end of 2019, I think six times a day. LNER being the operator for it. Headingley is famous for its cricket ground, obviously.
With regard to Harrogate P1, the main entrance to the station is actually the building structure right at the Leeds end of the platform. In real life there is a tower block on top of it and the canopy extends all the way to the modern footbridge - there used to be an older open footbridge at the Leeds end by the entrance. Look at photos on Google or Flickr and you’ll see what I mean.
Another great route learning guide. The Pacerbus is especially bumpy between Knaresborough and Cattal due to the bumpyness of the tracks. Just a heads up, it 's not all Pacers on The Harrogate Loop, there is a mixture of class 150's, 153's, 155's and the occasional class 158 makes the odd appearance as well.
Thanks for the info :)
And now some Ex ScotRail Class 170s as well!
Some trains are formed from a mixture of one or two Pacer coaches and one or two of the more modern 153, 155 or 158. It's interesting watching the train going over Knaresborough viaduct (eg from the castle) to see how many passengers choose the modern coaches and how few (if they have a choice) opt for the Pacer. I think that says it all.
Mostly 170s these days. These are a massive step up from a hideous pacer!
Love the 142s
Nice work,thanks York-Scarborough maybe? I say that as I live in Malton on that route
Simon Richardson yea I live in york
That route doesnt exist yet, bud
Ok thanks
:-)
You are correct, Harrogate train station is a long one, but you stopped just about where every other train does! Good job
“Marmite of trains” ... love it 😂😂 great video as well!
That's the nicest thing I can say about Pacers lol :p
Finally a Leeds video!!
Great video. Can you do a reading to Bournemouth via basingstoke. I live in Basingstoke
The Multigamer that's if the route is in the game
Yeah. I always see thesw comments that think every single route in existence is in the game
There's is a route from Bournemouth to Basingstoke. It's called Southwest England and is on uktrainsim, includes Waterloo, Exeter, Windsor and Weymouth
I live in Basingstoke too. Shitpit.
In real life, they only advertise it as Harrogate until you get to Burley Park. This is so that people take the slightly more expensive however quicker route via church Fenton to york
Your stopping place at Harrogate was more or less correct. the reason the platform is so long is there’s a once a day east coast service to the station from kings cross via Leeds for some reason.
Once again ptg amazing video keep up the great work 👍👏👏
Thank you! :)
Please could you do a journey in a Northern Rail class 150/1 from Preston to Blackpool North. It's the VP Northern Lines.
That route is going to be covered very soon! But likely in a Class 158.
Great video so far (I've skipped to the end so I can see York)! I really like this route in TS not only because it looks really nice and I know the route well in real life because I live in York. Great to hear you pronounced Poppleton correctly! The stopping point there was spot on btw. One thing to note (with the route) is that at 1:13:21 the speed limit actually stays at 30mph until you reach the platform, but that's all. Again, great video :)
I live in Harrogate and used to live in Pannal so that was my daily train. You stopped perfect 😁
at harrogate you were right and the bus station is next to it
fun fact: i now hate pacers. i like 139's tho. turns out that if you like bouncy trains, the pacer is now offically ur favourite train
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I don't feel that revealing my face will add anything to these videos. You can always look at my profile pic on Steam - PTGRail, if you want to see it :)
Loved the video.
When i was a kid, when going into harrogate, we d go over the tracks (from the Victoria car park on your right), and i remember being about the same distance from the trains if any were stopped at the platform, as you were in the video. The gap goes into the station, and out to the carpark/bus station so you were pretty much spot on if i remember correctly.
The realism of these trains is unbelievable, the sound is exactly as i remember it!
Awesome, it’s great to know I chose a good stopping point! Thanks for your comment :)
PTGRail 👍 have a happy new year
Hello PTGRail. For the past year i have watched your vids and you do a fantastic job at there "Route Learning" videos. They are really enjoyable and quite helpful too. However if its possible i have a few route suggestions. Apart from "Bucuresti-Ploiesti" that i suggested in the comments of a previous video, i would also like to see you do videos on NS Routes or OBB Routes (generally speaking made by RSSLO). Keep the great work up, only managed to subscribe recently tho (and im kinda sorry for that given the fact that i been watching since last year :( but yeah).
Here are the links, in case you need them:
www.treinpunt.nl/forum/downloads/?sa=list;id=1108 (Dutch routes)
www.rsslo.com/ (Austrian, German, Italian and Slovene routes and rolling stock)
www.train-motion.com/product-category/ts-2018/routes/ (Romanian route Bucuresti-Ploiesti, for now only released up to Peris, soon to be extended to Ploiesti if a update comes out for it)
The trains that would fit the routes the best can be found at ChrisTrains (NL) and TrainSimRomania.
Thanks in advance and keep up the good content! Greetings from RO :)
Hey there!
I fully intend to cover RSSLO routes in the future. I just wish that I had all the information available to be able to create the most realistic scenarios! I'm quite interested in this Romanian route, and will look into it in more detail. :)
If needed, i can help with the Romanian route, im local to it and been on it many times... feel free to let me know when i can help (i only have Discord)
just subbed
Great vid! What would you say is one of your favourite routes?
Miss Busty Redhead gets everwhere - I've visions of an army of BR clones at every station. Spot the man who walks straight through the flower bed at 43:13 ;-)
It’s high time the single track sections on this line were re-doubled. Why they were singled in the first place makes no sense. If one train is delayed it’s then delaying others coming the other way! Ridiculous!
Train Sim doesn't quite manage to reproduce the godawful screeching of the fixed axles (no bogies) of a Pacer as it negotiates the curve to the east of Crimple viaduct at 33:20.
I have this exact route (v2.1) and I have every requirement but the speed signs aren't functional they just say "0" and the track is invisible and the ground under the invisible track is white and yellow & black like an error texture can someone tell me why it's happening im pretty sure it uses wcml tv tracks and I have wcml tr
I wanted to see the bouncing
I like your videos
Nice ride Peter top video as always.
Thanks, Tony! It's always great to hear from you :)
I once took this journey in the York - Leeds direction. The destination board at York showed Burley Park, so that passengers for Leeds would not use the train but use the express instead. I expect they would do a similar thing at Leeds, i.e. not display York.
Harrogate of course now part of the London and North Eastern Railway extension between London Kings Cross and Leeds. Some of the latter route's trains that go to Harrogate are two hourly. I would imagine journey time between Leeds and Harrogate, non stop that is, around half an hour making a total journey time between London and Harrogate of around two hours forty minutes.
Very nice drive PTG! Particularly good to see such a professional drive of my local line. Stopping at Harrogate was correct. Drivers usually stop so that the train is entirely visible from the concourse on both platforms no matter if the train is 2, 3, 4 or 5 cars. Braking for some stations was a little late in comparison to the real life drivers but overall, another excellent drive! :)
Thanks! I guess the differing physics between real life vs TS made a difference to braking points?
I suspect that may be a factor yes. On approach to Starbeck for example, power is usually cut at around 41:50 or even earlier (depends on the driver), they then allow the train to coast for a bit before they begin to fan the brakes. Another case of: 'if you stood on either platforms at Starbeck station or rode on a Harrogate loop service in real life then you would get a sense of it' I guess. I have a few videos on this line on my channel if you want to take a look at those to gauge what goes on. Not plugging, just a friendly suggestion! ;)
P.S The amount of pacers was nuts! Nowadays, we have 170s and sprinters tend to be more prominent
what uni did you do your BA philosophy degree at? Would you recommend it? I'm thinking about doing this at uni, thanks :)
David I studied at the University of Sussex in Brighton. It's a good uni! Not to be confused with the University of Brighton which is a separate entity and not as good. I'd certainly recommend Sussex. :)
The Distant Signals are indeed correct in being at Caution! as the line mostly token block, the distant are Fixed. Very Nice route & Commentary Though!
How come you never made any reference to receiving and surrendering the tokens at stations Knaresborough-Poppleton?
If going slow, you don't actually hit the buffers. You just get caught running a red. XD
do leeds to knottingley pls
Kiwi_91 that doesn’t exist as a route in TS
I remember seeing the first DMUs at Horsforth in the 1950s when I was a child.
whats with the bowler hats!!!, seems the software designer also has a thing about the size of womens chests. Not very PC.
Have you driven the transpennine route
Liking these route learning videos :-)
And there's plenty more to come! :)
The black rectangle sign with the white 'S' is the stop sign for all units.
Anglo Saxon sometimes in Train Simulator, the route builder only remembers to put the S sign in and not the rest of the stop markers. At some of these stations, the position of the S sign was counterintuitive as the stopping point for a train this short, as it was far away from the station entrance.
Just telling you how it is as I am a train driver myself.
Although I agree some positioning leaves a lot to be desired, but happens in real life too!
Anglo Saxon Haha, I understand! There are some routes in TS where I know there are stop markers for shorter trains in real life, but they are missing in TS. That's why sometimes I don't stop at the S but try to work out what I think is the best stopping position. I'll bear that in mind though! Thanks! :)
Great video - thanks I tried to download the zip file but it says its corrupt I have emailed Vulcan and am awaiting a response. I dont know if anyone else has had a issue
Hi Peter, just wondering how long does it take you to learn a route before you no longer need the HUD?
Hey, PTGRail! I loved this video and all the others that you have made and continue to make! I would like to congratulate you on actually making the Pacer enjoyable :p I was wondering if you could do a Eurostar video between Ebbsfleet International and London St. Pancras International because apparently, the Eurostar train has been made (sadly not the rest of HS1) and I have seen a fairly lagged video of the aforementioned route being done. I think it would be pretty cool to see that done on a channel as amazing and fairly lagless (:p) as yours!
Hi I really like this scenario but I have ts on a disc so I struggle to get them into my game please could u suggest some help
Awesome gaming I don't know ifnim aloud to say but look at Alan Thomason has just done a tutorial
Alex Salmons okay I subscribe to him anyways but what vid is it
Good video as usual, I don’t have enough time to watch your videos but do when I can! Any chance you could do northern service from Middlesbrough to Hexham/ Newcastle, or Newcastle to Carlisle passing metrocentre
It's a real shame there is still no Transpennine route between York and Manchester Piccadilly/Airport yet. Hence why the only transpennine skins are for the Class 170 as the 185 is used exclusively on TPE.
Most enjoyable - thanks very much. I think the programmer had a 'thing' about large-breasted redheads in their 30s. Or maybe it's just me!
Not realistic as the 142 isn’t constantly squealing
I am a regular passenger on this route, so I hope I can help. When you come to a stop at Harrogate station you want to stop just right before the overheard bridge. The rest of the stations you need to be aiming right at the end of the platform apart from Harrogate due to the long platform. This is to accommodate the daily HST east coast return to London Kings Cross. Great video love to see my local line on UA-cam at last.
At Green Hammerton, the signal box is interesting. The frame is on the platform, under the canopy and behind a wooden screen. The block instruments are in a room in the station building just behind the frame.
Could you do the XC Route between Birmingham and Bristol, or the other way round? It is a very high quality route and I recommend it. Thanks.
I have got the game now but I will have to buy the route, just will need to find it, great video though 🙂👍🏻
Lol I didn’t know that I have Train Simulator, not Railworks, it’s been a long while but I do enjoy the video and sometimes can’t stop watching it 😄
Do you have any videos with Lincoln Central in it?
It going to be a long journey in a pacer ewwww ☹☹☹
hi ya is there anyway of changing the main driver train if you don't own the class 142 please ?
you stoped at the right place at harrogate
You stopped in the right place for Harrogate, the canopy is the entrance/exit and most trains stop right there.
Great Vid Loved the route and the reason the distants are "On" is that they also do that in real life as the single line section means most of the time the signaller can't get all the signals as trains cross, also the distant before cattal was not off because of the crossings as they are all interlocked.
Good video, but please - it's Headingley, not Headingly
That bramhope tunnel is so long been through it a few times to harrogate from horsforth
The drive was awesome but please do more TSW route learning thanks.
Do you have a link to this DLC I cant seem to find it anywhere?
I like them trains good video
Fun Fact. When at Leeds, the display board will say it terminates at Poppleton and when at York, the display board will say it terminates at Burley Park.
Thanks for the info! :)
@ptgrail how can I configure the cab view like you.
ITS NOT HARROGUT ITS HARROGATE
Nice mate
Thanks! :)
Nice busroute
LOL :p
Hey mate please do more steam
Steam will be appearing on this channel again in the future :)
The link does not work
Love ur vids
Thanks! :)
Where can I buy the game
Pacers are amazing
Hey Ptg have you make any routes involving Sheffield 😉
Only set in the 1950s on the Woodhead line, unfortunately there's no modern day routes set in Sheffield as of yet.
PTGRail i hate that line 😂 it’s eww i need to drive Pacers to Doncaster from Sheffield it’s all i want 😂😂
Horsforth. Where my ex-girlfriend lives. I nickname it the "slagpit"
Jimmi Clarke sounds good
Is there a leeds to York route via Garforth?
Yes. That is the quicker route. In fact the via-Harrogate trains are not shown as going to Leeds or York: the departure screens at Leeds and York say "Poppleton" (last station before York) or "Burley Park" (last station before Leeds) to avoid passengers getting a via-Harrogate train by mistake.
Any tips on learning a route? best way to memorise speed limits, braking points etc etc
Watch these videos ;)
When's ptgrail gonna post a new vid
Great video very infomative. Can I ask the buzzer seqence that sounds when you leave they station is that the games way of simulating the whistles that are blowen before a train departs a station in real life?
The buzzer you here is part of the guard signalling right away. They will send two buzzes to the driver indicating the train is clear to proceed, and the driver will respond with two buzzes in acknowledgement.
@@PTGRail Thanks for the reponse always wondered what it was.
how do I download the northern rail 142 pacer?
You can purchase it from www.armstrongpowerhouse.com
PTGRail oh it’s a purchase.
Use class 170
Did you make this scenario?
I sure did :)
Is it a bus? Is it a train? No it’s a pacer
James Gibson Having had the misfortune to be a passenger on more than a few of them in real life I can assure you they're evil things that should've been consigned to a scrapyard about 30 years ago.
Have you tried the Nvidia DSR yet?..get those textures pushed up and overclock the card for maximum bandwidth man!
I haven't yet. I do worry that this might take the sim further to its extremes for crashing due to using more than 4gb RAM?
If you overclock the card it should give you the headroom to do it...1440p the image will look crisper
Can't outpace the pacer!
Great video! Can you do Leeds to Manchester Victoria via Halifax? (if there is a route in train sim)
Han Zhao there isnt
7:15 it's pacer galore!