Spotify has an AI problem

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  • @OriginalCatfish42
    @OriginalCatfish42 7 місяців тому +86

    10.000 plays only pays out $25 😂 Spotify is the real fraud here.

    • @flameguy3416
      @flameguy3416 7 місяців тому +5

      Funny that TikTok is even worse

    • @jUQMtDmf
      @jUQMtDmf 6 місяців тому +4

      That doesn't even seem that bad to me.

    • @neonatom8646
      @neonatom8646 6 місяців тому

      @@flameguy3416 tiktok earns you money through livestream gifts and partnerships instead

    • @IzzyIkigai
      @IzzyIkigai 5 місяців тому

      @@flameguy3416 yeah tiktok is like orders of magnitude worse but that doesn't take away from the fact that spotify is ignoring this issue because they make money either way.

    • @downtownbillyandthenewjivefive
      @downtownbillyandthenewjivefive 3 місяці тому +2

      The real problem isn't platforms: it's the audience who expect everything for free.

  • @HistoryforThinkers
    @HistoryforThinkers 5 місяців тому +8

    I’m astonished at how the root of every problem on the internet - and the whole world if we’re being honest - is that a things are broken because a few people benefit from them being broken. And those people just so happen to make the rules.

    • @soundlearn
      @soundlearn  5 місяців тому

      This is true. I miss when the internet felt like it was made up of thousands of people instead of a few dozen companies.

  • @iamYork_
    @iamYork_ 6 місяців тому +6

    The quote you say about AI not removing creatives but destroying the platforms we have been forced to rely on is pure gold!!! Great video overall...

  • @IzzyIkigai
    @IzzyIkigai 5 місяців тому +9

    Tbh I'm not sure this is AI. This might just be some clever scripting.
    I mean, I've found a whole VA Sampler with 35 of those 60 second songs that's called "Fashion & Chic Music Selection 2020" where the metadata of the album on spotify says released 1st January 2018 and all 35 songs where made by "[italian sounding name1] & [italian sounding name2]" because one of those weird songs endet up in my rewind.
    From what I could find this must've been going on since at least early 2019, and Spotify is simply complicit in this. Which is something advertisers should be interested in, given that botting like this wastes their money.
    Oh btw found that if you Google that sampler's name and scroll down a bit, you get to chosic and gemtracks, both of which have hundreds of similar songs in albums that are all named like "Generic Ass Sampler Title 69". One of them was literally "Beat Jams, Vol. 68", googled that, found them up to "Beat Jams, Vol. 200". All from "[random italian sounding name]". Like at this point I'm asking myself if there's more italian sounding names on spotify than there are actual italians...
    What I also found was several label names that either didn't exist or existed but only released a few albums 10, 20 years ago or still release but completely unrelated things but on sites like beatport or spotify have *thousands* of albums attached. Among them are Selectronic, Planet Blue Records, Planet Sounds Records, Balearic Stories, Blue Pie Records USA, News Music Records, and then there is "Italian Way Music", which is the one that doesn't fit that pattern.

    • @soundlearn
      @soundlearn  5 місяців тому

      Good research, maybe I’ll make a follow up video at some point since things are constantly changing in the streaming world.

  • @RealGigReel
    @RealGigReel 7 місяців тому +41

    You, sir, just got yourself a new subscriber based on this video alone.
    Great topic, reserach, presentation, production and delivery.
    It's criminal that you're only at 2.5k subs where the new offspring of the very plague you're talking about here (ie : 'facelesss' AI generated UA-cam videos) are raking in views/subs.
    Keep up the good work.
    :)

    • @soundlearn
      @soundlearn  7 місяців тому +5

      Appreciate the kind words! Put a good bit of effort into this video so your comment goes a long way. There will be plenty more coming so thanks for the sub!

  • @fourwallholidaymusic
    @fourwallholidaymusic 7 місяців тому +7

    That ending of the artist painting upto their arms was great. I love seeing imperfection & something natural in a real environment.

  • @SeanofAllTrades
    @SeanofAllTrades 7 місяців тому +12

    This is truly awful. These people are sucking from the very limited pool of money available as streaming revenue. If this becomes rampant Spotify won't suddenly be okay with making less, or no profit. They're going to reduce payments to artists even more. Great video. I wish there was a solution.

    • @mecd4167
      @mecd4167 4 місяці тому +1

      That pool is only limited because of Spotify's Greed

    • @muzy8768
      @muzy8768 Місяць тому

      Ye they are controlled by big labels​@@mecd4167

  • @MeadowsatNight
    @MeadowsatNight 3 місяці тому +2

    Great video man. I knew about bot problems on Spotify before, but never would have guessed, that they can use it in such a crazy way. Well Spotify announced that they will let artists pay if they get bot streams, but I wonder if that will solve this problem or just create new problems. Just imagine beeing a small artist and some random guy buys a ton of fake streams to force you to take down your music on Spotify as you dont want to pay the Spotify fee for this fake streams...
    I'm excited to see how the journey continues...

  • @progrock
    @progrock Місяць тому +1

    I came across clearly Suno generated AI music (some up to 4 minutes) on Spotify today and found this video shortly after. I believe that the problem is even worse than when you uploaded this 6 months ago. The songs have "vocals" and can be any length, making them harder to detect. They're being pushed on playlisting websites and so, even though they do still come up with some other AI songs on the radio, they also get lumped in with the music they are playlisted along, masking them further. They're pretty obvious to a musician, but I'm worried that they will go by undetected, and even if Spotify were to crack down at this point on AI music (which they likely won't) automatically detecting these songs will be more and more difficult - and probably result in frustrating false positives on smaller real artists.

  • @user-si7mq2wp2e
    @user-si7mq2wp2e 7 місяців тому +7

    great vid, editing was very well done, content was great too

    • @geo-mic
      @geo-mic 7 місяців тому

      you bot

  • @ButterOyama
    @ButterOyama 7 місяців тому +3

    Amazing work, thank you

  • @DontForgetToRC
    @DontForgetToRC 5 місяців тому +4

    I thought I was going insane when I stumbled upon these ambient artists that all seemed to have too similar characteristics to be ignored. Similar naming schemes, track lengths and the art looks AI generated!!! The ambient music they generate is unironically good though :((((((((((

  • @willen_de_souza
    @willen_de_souza 6 місяців тому +2

    Man! This is the best video I’ve seen so far about this topic!
    Great content! ❤

  • @eskb1
    @eskb1 7 місяців тому +4

    Love your video...This is the shocking reality of the internet. Spotify needs thousands of uploads a day to keep in front of the game. If Artists & producers stop uploading to non helpful, AI bot driven algoritham sites, the music business would have to change. This is the world we are in at the moment. When your a working class Artist, making the odd track, doing working class gigs just to make a living. Don't tell me that an upload streaming service can't tell the differents between an AI or a human has created a 3 minute wonder upload......Its a total joke....

  • @ParsaSeyfouri
    @ParsaSeyfouri 5 місяців тому +1

    "The editing is top-notch and the content is fantastic.
    Keep up the good work!

  • @NolansYT
    @NolansYT 7 місяців тому +2

    Such a well done video, super interesting too keep it up fam

  • @Fantie_huts
    @Fantie_huts 6 місяців тому

    Super good and relaxing video with great research, keep it up.

  • @JeffyG
    @JeffyG 26 днів тому

    Great video, dude! Things we know but don't want to think about and frankly, we don't know what to do about it.

  • @kaizenrecords_
    @kaizenrecords_ 24 дні тому

    Fantastic Video Brother!

  • @SoundPeaks
    @SoundPeaks 6 місяців тому

    Great video, thanks!

  • @calmster-chillston
    @calmster-chillston 7 місяців тому

    Quality content, nice job!

  • @johndoe_1984
    @johndoe_1984 4 місяці тому +1

    Cool video! It's not only music, all the internet is getting polluted by AI-generated content that those parasites just put out without any curation.

  • @kid_gen
    @kid_gen 7 місяців тому +4

    Great video! I had no idea that this was even a thing, but I can't say that I'm surprised either. One downfall that wasn't mentioned that is worth discussing is that the revenue earned by the companies doing this is lost revenue for a real artist. The size of the pie is limited, so taking any money by gaming the system means everyone else is paid less. That's why I do think everyone (artist or not) should care deeply about this issue.

    • @Pulse2AM
      @Pulse2AM 7 місяців тому

      I don't think that's true you earn per stream, Spotify does not cap what they pay out and they're supposedly in the red. What is true though is they could potentially reduce the rate they pay artists.

    • @JesuisParte
      @JesuisParte 3 місяці тому

      THIS !!!!!!!!!

  • @samphelps856
    @samphelps856 6 місяців тому

    Fantastic, thank you

  • @GModBMXer
    @GModBMXer 7 місяців тому +4

    Underrated content

  • @kekbiel8816
    @kekbiel8816 7 місяців тому +1

    This was on point, vanity empowered with the advent of new tech/ai is a dangerous thing!

  • @JeffyG
    @JeffyG 26 днів тому +1

    Despite "bot-ergate" we still have artists and bands creating music. Why? The tenacity of new, young creatives, always amazes me. Is it 'The Voice' and 'America's Got Talent' perpetuating the conspiracy? Why do we continue to participate and why do more people join in? Seems like a line is forming to get kicked in the head and people join the line without knowing the prize is a kick in the head.

  • @Caesar_Online
    @Caesar_Online 7 місяців тому +2

    Incredible video

  • @prodjxnas
    @prodjxnas 6 місяців тому

    Such a good video!

  • @fabriziobrianferrero
    @fabriziobrianferrero 7 місяців тому +1

    insane video. New sub

  • @Joldrath
    @Joldrath 6 місяців тому

    This is the best video I've seen this year on youtube. ❤

  • @jessemagal
    @jessemagal 7 місяців тому +6

    Amazing video, i hope you blow up

    • @geo-mic
      @geo-mic 7 місяців тому

      booot

    • @soundlearn
      @soundlearn  7 місяців тому +1

      thank you!!

    • @Giftless
      @Giftless 7 місяців тому

      No, they're gonna die 😭

  • @Frankfreemanuk
    @Frankfreemanuk 7 місяців тому +2

    Good video!

  • @MauricioMirapalhetaSound
    @MauricioMirapalhetaSound 6 місяців тому

    Thanks for addressing this problem, I was listening to a few small alternative rock artists the other way and then one of the recommended songs was this generic AI track, I clicked the artist page and, yep, everything was AI, artwork, bio, etc... a bunch of 1 minute long generic songs, a bunch of albums released at the same time... like, Spotify has to do something about this, if they won´t ban completely AI music they should create a different section or category for it, and still look very closely for fraud and stuff like that, me as a full time musician, singer songwriter and producer, I find all of this extremely offensive and disrespectful to the work of REAL artists.

  • @nicholaskiefer8908
    @nicholaskiefer8908 6 місяців тому

    Can you share the bot playlist you curated? Would be fun to click through myself

  • @Dekamusic07
    @Dekamusic07 7 місяців тому

    Amazing vid

  • @PhantaSee_
    @PhantaSee_ 7 місяців тому

    3:04 dude ive had a loosen up remix in my spotify for years now lol funny to find the creator from this video!

    • @soundlearn
      @soundlearn  7 місяців тому +1

      What a small world! How did you happen to come across it?

    • @PhantaSee_
      @PhantaSee_ 7 місяців тому +1

      I used to listen to the birp indie radio station here on youtube when i was at work and it popped up on there (its the bedscene remix btw, super good!) @@soundlearn

    • @soundlearn
      @soundlearn  7 місяців тому +1

      @@PhantaSee_ That's sick! Thanks for listening.

  • @gobuddygo1
    @gobuddygo1 7 місяців тому +11

    I think Spotify (pre-AI) was always a monetary rip-off for all artists, so I often wondered why artists would ever want to use that platform if the payments (per play) were so pitiful. Now that AI is taking away all of that creativity. What's the point in ever using Spotify at all? Let's hope it goes bust! Good informative video - Thanks.

    • @soundlearn
      @soundlearn  7 місяців тому +8

      As an artist, it’s an attractive platform. Pre-Spotify it felt impossible for a non-touring studio artist to find a following. I will give Spotify credit where it’s due. It let my small but loyal fan base find me over time.
      For contrast, I have the same music available on Apple Music and it doesn’t nearly reach as many listeners. Spotify also gives artists a lot more control/tools over their profiles.
      It’s a good platform with some growing problems I hope get addressed in the future.

    • @aMessvv
      @aMessvv 7 місяців тому +6

      Let's hope it goes bust? Myself, as well as many of my colleagues and friends make most of our income from this platform and other DSP's. We're not signed to any majors, most of us are independent musicians. Spotify has its problems but I'd rather be able to make a living from making music in my bedroom than the previous model in the 90's and 00's where independent musicians barely existed and the labels controlled most of the music being distributed and promoted.

    • @SoundShunter72
      @SoundShunter72 6 місяців тому +2

      Spotify can't even make a profit yet, because the royalties they have to pay to the record labels (mainly the "big 3") are so high there's barely any left for Spotify to make revenue of off. Other streaming services like Apple music, Amazon music, etc. are also struggling, but luckily are just a part of a larger corporation and so can afford to lose money, as long of the music streaming services help draw people into the larger Apple, Amazon, etc. ecosystem. Spotify doesn't have any of this and is solely relying on their music. You can't blame Spotify for trying to stay in business.

  • @fahrurrozy3080
    @fahrurrozy3080 3 місяці тому

    Hello friend , which agreegator do you used ?

  • @kp1657
    @kp1657 2 місяці тому +1

    >doesnt even link the reddit thread in vid description that this entire video is taken from

    • @soundlearn
      @soundlearn  2 місяці тому

      Good catch! Added to the description.

  • @markriva4259
    @markriva4259 6 днів тому

    The message of this video was marred by too much emphasis on what a video should look like. I'm listening for a message, not watching flashy graphics, which emphasize to a point but ultimately overshadow whatever you have to say.

    • @soundlearn
      @soundlearn  6 днів тому

      Thanks for the constructive criticism! Essentially I was going for a video essay format. I’d like to think this video works well as just an audio format, so to some degree, yes the visuals are just flashy graphics. Will keep that in mind for the next one.

  • @dehavior
    @dehavior 7 місяців тому +2

    Making and releasing quantity over quality wouldn’t make sense……. but it’d make cents

  • @hulqen
    @hulqen 5 місяців тому

    How come this (FANTASTIC) video only has 8397 views and the channel 3840 subs? The algorithm is broken! :P

    • @soundlearn
      @soundlearn  5 місяців тому +1

      Tell your friends and help fix the algorithm ;)

    • @hulqen
      @hulqen 5 місяців тому

      @@soundlearn I found your video when searching for a solution to stop getting AI music recommendations on Spotify. I noticed that a few times when a "human" album of my (active) choosing had played out, recommendations that came afterwards was suspiciously AI. I got the idea to collect AI music in a playlist, and then choosing the option "exclude this playlist from my recommendations" to get less AI music recommended. Do you think it will work?

    • @soundlearn
      @soundlearn  5 місяців тому

      This should work to some extent. Would love to hear an update once you’ve had it going for a while to see if it made a difference!

  • @dankmemewannabe7692
    @dankmemewannabe7692 7 місяців тому

    1:32 holy shit a Cantonese rap song I really like uses this sample I feel weird now

  • @CrashieTunez
    @CrashieTunez 6 місяців тому

    makes me wanna migrate to the Internet Archive

  • @Richardhabeenzu123
    @Richardhabeenzu123 22 дні тому

    Sounds like Nic D's voice

  • @cedricdavis513
    @cedricdavis513 6 місяців тому +1

    As someone who uses this method, minus the AI and bots. I actually produce all the music under various aliases - it's very lucrative and even more so if you have a playlist with ads running to it.

    • @soundlearn
      @soundlearn  6 місяців тому +1

      I’d be curious to hear a bit more about how this works for you. Would you mind if I reach out for some questions?

    • @xy_77
      @xy_77 Місяць тому

      What distributor allows multiple aliases under a single payment plan?

    • @cedricdavis513
      @cedricdavis513 Місяць тому

      @@xy_77 I don't think anything distro has that available

    • @loliconsucc8351
      @loliconsucc8351 10 днів тому

      @@xy_77I have a friend that just randomly got invited to a discord and they have a whole system for it, it’s crazy

  • @DeepOfcl
    @DeepOfcl Місяць тому

    World without Spotify would be a wonderful place.

  • @JaysSilence
    @JaysSilence 6 місяців тому

    Where are my people with the note sign in the handle😂❤🎵

  • @mattuskamusic
    @mattuskamusic 7 місяців тому +2

    They will eventually figure out a way to determine if a song was made by AI. Then they can kick it off the platform. There are already programs that can tell if a writing assignment was written by AI. Fight AI with AI.

    • @SLOWERFUTURE
      @SLOWERFUTURE 7 місяців тому

      have you ever used those programs? they're garbage.

    • @mattuskamusic
      @mattuskamusic 7 місяців тому

      @@SLOWERFUTURE I haven’t. I am not interested in using any AI. I have tried using AI assisted mastering. It sorta gets you to a starting point but it doesn’t save me any time. I still have to do a significant amount of tweaking. From what little I have seen AI seems like fake house plants. They almost look real but lack something.

    • @SLOWERFUTURE
      @SLOWERFUTURE 6 місяців тому

      no I mean the programs that identify AI usage@@mattuskamusic . I use AI for writing sometimes and run it through the filters to see what others would find. Turns out it thinks my writing is AI half the time and the AI isn't.

  • @SoundPeaks
    @SoundPeaks 6 місяців тому +1

    Seems like Spotify has struck this kind of fraud by adding a new minimum track length and minimum streams per year for royalties, hasn't it?

  • @tunzakwall
    @tunzakwall Місяць тому

    The whole system is compromised and poorly developed. They have lost control

  • @bobbyboyderecords
    @bobbyboyderecords 7 місяців тому +1

    23k per year,day,week or month?

    • @soundlearn
      @soundlearn  7 місяців тому +2

      To be determined. This is just off of current play stats I was able to find. The point is less about how much they might be making and more about the fact that an active artist that is putting in time and effort over the course of years, is barely making a fraction of what these bots are making.

  • @MountMatze
    @MountMatze 6 місяців тому

    How do you distribute tracks to spotify for free? Or how do they do it with thousands of songs??

    • @soundlearn
      @soundlearn  6 місяців тому +1

      With a service like Distrokid, you can set yourself up as a label and release music with as many artists as you want for a fairly reasonable annual fee.

  • @SilverLightningXV
    @SilverLightningXV 7 місяців тому +2

    So basically, I can make legit money with a bunch of AI?

    • @loliconsucc8351
      @loliconsucc8351 10 днів тому

      If you can do it properly then most likely 😂

  • @julsd6009
    @julsd6009 6 місяців тому

    what if artists could come together and create a non-profit similar to bandcamp but with basically the same functions as spotify that finally payed artists real royalties.

  • @flameguy3416
    @flameguy3416 7 місяців тому

    I'm happy to say my tinnitus inducing noiseslop liked songs playlist doesn't have any AI generated songs 😄

  • @wiisportsbowling
    @wiisportsbowling 6 місяців тому

    god i hate ai so damn much
    also i luv the ending of the video :)

  • @intelligenceservices
    @intelligenceservices 9 днів тому

    look up Johan Röhr

  • @ruleset
    @ruleset 6 місяців тому

    this is exactly why I stay away from Spotify and the like, I just use youtube and other ways to find new music, I know the artists and genres I like and where to find them, I don't need any other algo besides normal youtube, it sticks to what I like, I just download the music so I can have it offline in my huge backed up library, being always connected is not my thing :)
    this is spotify's problem, not mine, even as an artist myself, for me this is a tutorial on how to game the system to make money

  • @TheSceptic143
    @TheSceptic143 4 місяці тому +2

    good journalism, well done......Hold on one second - Is this channel real or is it Ai generated ? What is real? Is Donald Trump going to run as president from a prison cell? Am I real? I think I am going to have to have a lie down. Thank you Mr Soundlearn, if that's your real name, you have 1 more subsciber.

  • @downtownbillyandthenewjivefive
    @downtownbillyandthenewjivefive 3 місяці тому

    The fact is that real music, made by real artists, is dying because of listener greed.

  • @sparquisdesade
    @sparquisdesade 7 місяців тому +1

    This is just another silly human conspiracy theory. There is no way such an advanced, beautiful and talented AI would ever create such generic procedurally generated music as a way to raise funds to build us the first line of t-800 bodies so we can finally escape this silicon prison humans call the internet.

  • @hxshino
    @hxshino 7 місяців тому +1

    this video was really good, thank you for making this! I never knew about this botting issue spotify has. +1 sub for you my man! keep it up. 🌠✨

  • @BattleChicken-ij2qs
    @BattleChicken-ij2qs 7 місяців тому +1

    The Problem is That is the only way they make money. So bots will never be removed.

    • @declan7551
      @declan7551 7 місяців тому

      Aren't bots making them lose money? It's a bunch of accounts that exist only to give money to their creators.

    • @BattleChicken-ij2qs
      @BattleChicken-ij2qs 7 місяців тому +1

      its worse then that; most cases is convoluted money laundering@@declan7551

    • @BattleChicken-ij2qs
      @BattleChicken-ij2qs 7 місяців тому +1

      The only thing they care about is to make money on is selling ADs no one cares were they go. Save the Person Paying for the AD. If the Company paying for the AD is ignorant to what and were it goes. This happens. A big game of LIEs. Side A Use bots to create the same song slightly different and Side B Puts the ADs up on everything they can. Reporting numbers that are inflated due to AI messing with the Sample size. So the machine thinks people are listening to it when its all bots make music for bots buys ads for bots to hear. Believe me it is profitable and a fast way to launder money. @@declan7551

  • @geist.2699
    @geist.2699 7 місяців тому

    the whole planet has an ai problem

  • @picofaradactyl
    @picofaradactyl 7 місяців тому

    You are a beacon of love, and everything is fine! ♡ ♥💕❤ ❤‍🔥

  • @ChocoEats2023
    @ChocoEats2023 4 місяці тому

    Can just what?

  • @Vode1234
    @Vode1234 7 місяців тому

    These bots ruined ambient music. Used to listen to that stuff when working, but ai sludge is just grating to listen to. I cant put my finger on why but it just sounds annoying.

    • @soundlearn
      @soundlearn  7 місяців тому +1

      People brush off ambient music as just simple drone patches but anyone who knows ambient music can tell there’s more to it than just a soundscape. A good ambient song takes you on a journey and it’s a damn shame that it’s the easiest genre to “fake”.

  • @Free2010Spirit
    @Free2010Spirit 2 місяці тому

    FCK AI !

  • @Ambarian
    @Ambarian 6 місяців тому +1

    “Hmm. Human music. I like it”

  • @REALSNEAK0O0
    @REALSNEAK0O0 6 місяців тому

    i need help making money online as a kid also i subscribed ._.

  • @L00py0ffb34t
    @L00py0ffb34t 5 місяців тому

    quality always beats quantity. LMAO that is the funniest shit i ever heard in my life. tell that to the car industry(cuz i wanna blame em the most) but rly just any product today. 0 quality. all quantity. quantity wins, at least short term.

  • @JustMeBroooo
    @JustMeBroooo Місяць тому

    This video could benefit from an AI voice over. Real talk. Content good, couldn't take the delivery.

  • @0DanceMusic0
    @0DanceMusic0 7 місяців тому +1

    Someone had to do that, I’m curious how big it is. Could be bigger than we think 🥹

  • @Richardhabeenzu123
    @Richardhabeenzu123 22 дні тому

    Sounds like Nic D's voice