I run joegun lead, kaki, kabilla and light tea bunny. Bunny's aoe increase cooldown, def break plus on despair. Joegun strip cant be countered, plus can temporarily remove a threat to start out 4 v 3.
@@gabrielblox_br1395 No, mathematically only 52% of the time would Jeogun strip all 4 units, and then the same rate for landing all def breaks. Not really a reliable team.
I'm only F3-C1 lol, so not every opponent team is full will, frequently no will. Sometimes joegun is just for the atk buff. I've gone 18-7 in inter server with this team, so it does ok. Only really suffers against 33% SPD lead. I have all the units for the team in the video, I'll give it a shot. @Seiishizo, I appreciate the reply 🙏
@@svencollister2355no lol. This offense is strong but dot teams and Leah teams are more prevalent so people will still be susceptible to this one. Why counter this specific offense when other people run those much more you know
I feel like Tiana Bastet/megan Carmella and Kaki could work, since carmellas def break is irresistible and double atk bar boost allowing kaki to be even slower than when tiana is only atk bar booster
@@dadrunk5213 defbuff does not increase kakis dmg, only the def he has from the start of the battle increases his atkpower. that means a deflead/determination set will increase his dmg but any further increase of def within the battle does not increase the dmg
@@alphahippo “Increases your Defense by 20% of your Attack Power when the battle begins, and inflicts additional damage proportional to your Defense when you attack on your turn. Critical Hits won't occur when attacking the enemy. [Automatic Effect]”
@@alphahippo based off that, its “additional damage based off your defence when you attack on your turn”. So def break would lower attack and def buff would increase it slightly. I’ll test it right now and edit this soon. Edit: just tested and i had a 5k dmg increase with def buff from megan.
Hold up - how does that slot 5 destroy have +37% atk and +12% def? My impression was +32% atk was max 3 roll and 40% is perfect quad, so 37% would have to be a quad roll atk but then how does def reach 12% when max starting stat is 8% and this isn’t even an ancient? What am I missing?
just a question: wouldn't it be better to use miriam in this combo? she strengthens atk+def buff and gives def buff which gives kaki additional stats/damage + fire def leader skill
Try Tiana(L) Galleon Ganymede Kaki You can use Ganymede 3rd skill on making one of their skills go cooldown , reset attack bar of all enemies and after using kaki skill you can use Ganymede 2nd skill on kaki to use same skill again You can try Ganymede(L) Tiana Galleon Christina
As an Ongyouki owner, I see no reason to use Ongyouki vs Kaki. Ongyouki's passive is very situational and stun immunity means nothing when other debuffs work on him anyway (+dots can kill him out of passive). Ongyouki, despite being nat 5, seems very off-placed.
Do water and wind next cause we know how good these omni were when they came out kaki kinki were so dominating among his other brothers😂 sadly they nerf both kaki and kink badly😂😂
@@Seiishizo artifacts.... Since 2 years i got Not even 1 usefull Rune. Only lowest Rolls and useless Stat comps. Artifacts are biggest fail ever. I never got any usefull. Standard drop: skill2 ACC, DMG Low hp, vamp, DMG taken from x. Never got any eine with 2 compared things.its Like ark Rune with ACC res hpflat
@@anthonyfloris980miriam still increases the attack so he would deal more dmg if you replace galleon with miriam as attack buffer and deborah as def breaker (unreliable tho)
Apparently i was wrong, it does work now. (i think it was changed in the past because in the past i think it didn't) However now yes, megan does increase dmg of kaki by the testing i did from about ~20k to 21.5k
@@Seiishizo so he has hidden aim just like the other snipers but when u do hidden aim he gets about 200% bonus damage and if you kill an enemy with one attack you stay in the hidden aim pose
@@Seiishizo I use tablo tiana galleon/neph taor against slower teams, with taor having a lot of s3 accuracy on artis. Tiana S3 > Galleon S3 > Taor S3 > Tablo S2/3, depending on how much of the control landed from Taor S3. After Tablo, Tiana can finish off with s2 and taor can snipe with squall. You don't need too much speed because the setup gives slow and speed buff before squall is used. My Taor is only at +1500 atk, 65 cr, 190 cd, and +157 speed I'm having a lot of fun with the team so far!
Imagine this build on old kaki
Oh god that would be crazy.
200k s2 easily in this scenario
Oeff that would be so nasty
An old player since his release and I was like holy shit... Till I read ur comment
how was the old kaki btw?
I’ve been playing exactly this off since Deborah came out and it’s really op. Almost everything without spd lead is food for this off
Since I don't have Deborah I use the zaiross galleon tiana pungbaek against no spd lead teams it works very well!
yep very much true
tbh a kaki like this would be good as shit in a leo offense as well
Yep kaki can work well in those.
I run joegun lead, kaki, kabilla and light tea bunny. Bunny's aoe increase cooldown, def break plus on despair. Joegun strip cant be countered, plus can temporarily remove a threat to start out 4 v 3.
Without tiana Nothing works for me 😂
Btw does that team lands everything constantly for You?
@@gabrielblox_br1395 No, mathematically only 52% of the time would Jeogun strip all 4 units, and then the same rate for landing all def breaks. Not really a reliable team.
nice team if everything lands yea
I'm only F3-C1 lol, so not every opponent team is full will, frequently no will. Sometimes joegun is just for the atk buff. I've gone 18-7 in inter server with this team, so it does ok. Only really suffers against 33% SPD lead.
I have all the units for the team in the video, I'll give it a shot.
@Seiishizo, I appreciate the reply 🙏
@@jaredbrown1128literally everything works in c1-c3
Deborah owners our little secret has been found by Seii
What other teams are you running?
Sad life, now everyone knows and can prep their defs for it
@@svencollister2355no lol. This offense is strong but dot teams and Leah teams are more prevalent so people will still be susceptible to this one. Why counter this specific offense when other people run those much more you know
@@MegaKenny9 im missing leah, so fine with me lol
Kaki post nerf might get another post nerf…. XD😂
Man. I've been using this offense from the moment I got Deborah. It's been so much fun and I could hit punisher for the first time.
Grogen: he's still bruised af after i decimated him
Kaki: oh no...
Nigong: bring it on, i can do this all day.
Bro i love this. I actually got every unit here. This gives me hope pls no nerfs.
haha don't expect any nerfs
once again, i have been reminded that my kaki isnt built to his highest potential
I only play this off in arena i hit G1, and i have little tips deborah need to move front of galion for Camilla
Yep would be a lot better
CD build on monk since they crit on everything. even in kinki i think.
or
highest possible stats on damage based on stats monsters
Lol these videos are pretty fun to watch bro. Thanks for making it
Thanks ^.^
great video this helped me improve mine! got rid of guard offset for fight on kaki and tiana and dbl fight will on galleon and way more dmg thx!
I feel like Tiana Bastet/megan Carmella and Kaki could work, since carmellas def break is irresistible and double atk bar boost allowing kaki to be even slower than when tiana is only atk bar booster
And megan would supply def boost for even more damage for kaki due to his extra damage from def
@@dadrunk5213 defbuff does not increase kakis dmg, only the def he has from the start of the battle increases his atkpower. that means a deflead/determination set will increase his dmg but any further increase of def within the battle does not increase the dmg
@@alphahippo “Increases your Defense by 20% of your Attack Power when the battle begins, and inflicts additional damage proportional to your Defense when you attack on your turn.
Critical Hits won't occur when attacking the enemy. [Automatic Effect]”
@@alphahippo based off that, its “additional damage based off your defence when you attack on your turn”. So def break would lower attack and def buff would increase it slightly. I’ll test it right now and edit this soon.
Edit: just tested and i had a 5k dmg increase with def buff from megan.
Camella is very nice, only issue is landing defbreak on waters
Hold up - how does that slot 5 destroy have +37% atk and +12% def? My impression was +32% atk was max 3 roll and 40% is perfect quad, so 37% would have to be a quad roll atk but then how does def reach 12% when max starting stat is 8% and this isn’t even an ancient? What am I missing?
grinds/gem
Gems and grinds yes :)
Would be cool to see how high a Bael could hit with top end runes - im early to mid and can get him nuking practically everything possible!
Wrote down bael on my list :)
just a question: wouldn't it be better to use miriam in this combo? she strengthens atk+def buff and gives def buff which gives kaki additional stats/damage + fire def leader skill
Yep would have been stronger
Seii What if u switched galleon for mirian? Its a bit risky agaisnt cami but def buff also makes kaki stronger.
Yep would do more dmg for sure. but also way slower animation :P
Try Tiana(L) Galleon Ganymede Kaki
You can use Ganymede 3rd skill on making one of their skills go cooldown , reset attack bar of all enemies and after using kaki skill you can use Ganymede 2nd skill on kaki to use same skill again
You can try Ganymede(L) Tiana Galleon Christina
Kaki on fatal with almost 3k att, 800 deff, and 101 spd or vio with 2,2k att, 516 deff, and 154 spd??
as nuker fatal always, as bruiser for longer fights then vio
Next monster to maybe try: byungchul on damage build. I wonder how much dmg he can do with the right setup
haha interesting one, can give it a try
kaki , leah , cybork fire , triss fire , water cookie that can freeze
and how would that team of 5 units work in arena, RTA, or any guild content?
@@crkTyphoon i was wondering the same but he's probably answering sei's question of what unit to test next
Hey Seii. What could I use in case I don't have either Deborah or Poseidon?
Hmm Gany is an option or CP. something with pushbacks make it kind of safe
@@SeiishizoThank you very much for the advise. I don't have gany but I luckily have Cheong so I'm 100% gonna give it a shot
I use, for general atk, Praliné leader, Tiana, Luer and Pungbaek (that could be Kaki)
Pretty nice team to yea!
Please try Christina teams or Leah tems next. Great content Seii. Love it
Yea those will be fun to test as well:)
You could use this with miriam if you dont have deborah (and its give def buff also)
correct
Amber next? You could literally use the same build they removed her spd scaling and 1 extra hit but the atk scaling is still there
Issue is her multipliers on the s2 isn't that high
i use tiana kaki with truffle and the fire blacksmith.
Very strong setup to yea
I use this team with my Grogen, but it might be worth trading it out for Kaki, since Grogen hasn't been doing great with recent ADs.
can use both, grogen runes != kaki runes :)
yep teol is true. kaki uses pretty different runes than grogen. and grogen is great with we kinda get a psama meta back
Bro casually testing out units at G2😂😅
I use the same team but i use ongy insteat of kaki, but ongy has +3100 atk and he does 96k dmg. Tiana is on swift fight, gal 3x fight
Tiana gally debo ongy?
Yea i think ongy is super strong for this still.
@@Seiishizo you don't think his passive cleanse needs a tweak?
What do you think about the fire and water mercenary queens?
Hmm water is used sometimes in siege def/off, but fire seems kinda meh
Deborah doing 30k dmg by just beeing there is crazy
Yea it is
@@Seiishizo so tell c2us to give me one 😂
I didn't think the ally runes applied to the unit they are on?
"ally" runes, they apply to the whole team, and there should still be something to check the current buffs (pause => top thingy)
they do for whole team
Insane kaki, where are you farming good fight runes, seishizo ?
Imagine old kaki. Holy shit
Yea would be very nutty
what about megan? atack and defense buff with atackbar boost
Wow that damage is so insane 😮
Could u try the same with Fuuki and Tilasha ? Like Tiana Galleon Tilasha and Fuuki, might be funny aswell
Might give that a try with byunchul :P
@@Seiishizo but then you probably want another unit than tilasha i guess
I love using Kaki, he is very reliable 😁
As an Ongyouki owner, I see no reason to use Ongyouki vs Kaki. Ongyouki's passive is very situational and stun immunity means nothing when other debuffs work on him anyway (+dots can kill him out of passive). Ongyouki, despite being nat 5, seems very off-placed.
Yeah pal idk what com2us smoked to even think about nerfing him.
I think ongi still does more dmg on same set, but i could be wrong on that.
As a owner that had him before nerf i agree shits wild
Would love to see Katarina or wind cannon girl
Katarina is very RNG for hits. but christina would be a fun one :)
For dungeon boss you need at least 40percent accuracy
I still wanna see a God Runed shumar some day but i doubt that is gonna happen till he gets his 2A. T-T
haha would be funny :)
I'd love to see Sige since it was the event HoH. (maybe Tosi if you think Tosi is better)
To my knowledge their dmg was always kind of disapointing :
@@Seiishizo that's a shame 😔
replace galle with the fire smith just for the lulz, ez 120-150k clap depending on targets armor
Yep checked that later did about 130
The water mystical witch wasn't beyter than Gallion ? For def buff :) you could reach the 100k dmg easily 😁
Yep, thats ture
super fast spectra to one shot sonia in rta by skill one
haha very niche :P
Anyone know the conversion rates of def to atk vs stacking attack?
could you try to do a full damage kalantatze ?
My rush is similar, however Hanwul in place of Kaki lmao
Use Art Master Lead and then deborah as def breaker. You'll shit yourself with the damage he will do.
The only issue with Kaki is Trianas passive and Manon paired with reviver. Been using this kind of team but the win rate isn't good.
Issue is deb is 85% chance to def break which is kinda low
@@Seiishizo that too. Her def break fails a lot tbh. Which is why I stopped using this team.
I would see an unkillable ramagod or something like a despair laïka 100res 😁
Interesting idea's
please build RIGNA (water ele) sir and need info combo team for woonsa (dark ele)
Woonsa is kinda hard to use in AO, because the moment they go 0 will ur team will fail.
Try dark sniper with best rage runes that you have?
Does anyone use that unit for antyhing?
@@Seiishizo i saw the youtuber mards use him for giants he dealt like 330k on golem and 2m on dark rift. So i was wondering how much he can deal on g3
you didn't tryed with Miriam to boost kaki even more x)
true :P
Pungbaek next ?
Maybe :)
this was just a deborah showcase
maybe :P
is deborah better then dark string master????
on defbreak yea
Unit Idea: max dmg fire doggo
raoq XD?
Vs Teams that could lap I use Poseidon (L) for S3 push back and fluff dmg. No Deborah.
Nvm u mentioned it.
^.^ Yep thats one of the more safe teams out there
My coms Nepth | Tiana | HongYeon | Kaki / Mir
Kaki dealt avg 60k+ AOE
Mir dealt avg 50k+ x2 AOE
try teshar cleave bro, his damage also insane
he sure does, however the s3 dmg aoe isn't that much i think.
now put oblivion on it and see how much a crit will do
haha Should give that a try
YES YOU DID IT!!
Do water and wind next cause we know how good these omni were when they came out kaki kinki were so dominating among his other brothers😂 sadly they nerf both kaki and kink badly😂😂
issue is, water needs max stacks, and wind needs low hp :P both kind of an issue :P
I mean you would kill these byung with a cr Deborah
True
I always use Kaki cleave when fighting these annoying rush defenses with triple Camilla etc
yep, works very well untill galleon does galleon things :P
Just go with the usual old school slow will cleave team
Theres so many oldschool teams that can get back in :P
he has insane multipliers, lets go crit dmg build and oblivion him for his full potential xD
Its something i might try in the future yea haha
Nephtys tiana fire string kaki
Yep that team is super solid to outspeed most things
Try Deborah+ fire deborah too faster than kaki.
yea it adds quite some dmg
BIG Kaki energy #BBK
Can you do an Akroma video
Don't think Akroma has that much dmg out put
kinda nostalgic but how about as much hp as possible ramagod
the 57k on manon got me
yea its good to insta clap manon :P
Tiana galleon double kaki? haha or double galleon just to be sure
wouldn't recommend that :P better use a different defbreaker then
try,.. luer, bastet, trinana kaki
smh didnt even add cr for the tesa users
Do t2 Leo Christina cleave next
wrote that one down ^.^
try christina next
Oh dear… nerf incoming too xD😂
haha no don't thinkso
My kaki with +2700 atk dont kill a wind mushroom xD will never understand why others make dmg
haha, Artifacts :P ? and the def does conut
@@Seiishizo artifacts.... Since 2 years i got Not even 1 usefull Rune. Only lowest Rolls and useless Stat comps.
Artifacts are biggest fail ever. I never got any usefull. Standard drop: skill2 ACC, DMG Low hp, vamp, DMG taken from x. Never got any eine with 2 compared things.its Like ark Rune with ACC res hpflat
Thats so much Bro
my kaki is about the same atk but faster, but the def holy
why share this on broad daylight T.T
any time of the day is worth sharing ^.^
I'm not sure if u will get hit bro coz your accuracy is a bit low
Where my Kaki😭😂
next 4star choice event haha
@@Seiishizo 👌😅
Kyle AO
hmm could even work i guess
Try Beth + Kaki
with what
don't have beth skilled
Need deff buff too
def buff doesn't work, tried before its only the def that is there at the start of a battle.
@@SeiishizoOh, interesting. Cuz i wonder why do not try with Miriam.
That's why.
@@anthonyfloris980miriam still increases the attack so he would deal more dmg if you replace galleon with miriam as attack buffer and deborah as def breaker (unreliable tho)
@@Skaumi112 ye, think about that.
But Shei didn't make fast Deb so...
However, for the show he could run with Jeogun lead, strip + atk buff.
Apparently i was wrong, it does work now. (i think it was changed in the past because in the past i think it didn't)
However now yes, megan does increase dmg of kaki by the testing i did from about ~20k to 21.5k
try sleeping unit
which one?
Try dragonov
I;ve heard this suggestion a few times, but what makes him so interesting :O ?
@@Seiishizo so he has hidden aim just like the other snipers but when u do hidden aim he gets about 200% bonus damage and if you kill an enemy with one attack you stay in the hidden aim pose
Baal plzzzzz❤
or
Wind pioneer ❤
Written both down in my notes ^.^
taor!
Hmm what setup?
@@Seiishizo I use tablo tiana galleon/neph taor against slower teams, with taor having a lot of s3 accuracy on artis. Tiana S3 > Galleon S3 > Taor S3 > Tablo S2/3, depending on how much of the control landed from Taor S3. After Tablo, Tiana can finish off with s2 and taor can snipe with squall. You don't need too much speed because the setup gives slow and speed buff before squall is used. My Taor is only at +1500 atk, 65 cr, 190 cd, and +157 speed I'm having a lot of fun with the team so far!
I run a +140 +3100 atk kaki lol
how much defense?
@@Seiishizo a lot less than this one at +450 lol, still kills most things.
@@newb4961 then it probably could be better optimized :P
Probably by reducing spd, i don't want that!
1st
Seiishizo u bored cuz rta season ended?
Nah just doing fun stuff :)