I noticed the Lodge n Shipley lathe was originally run off a lineshaft.It has a huge truck transmission on it now. In the mid 80's I worked in a farm equipment repair shop.We had a Springfield lathe with a model A transmission for speed selection. Also the owner repaired and hammered saws for sawmills all over Ohio and into West Virginia. Al B in Ohio.
There is no limit to the ingenuity of man! Unfortunately, as we progress much is left behind and forgotten. Keith, my thanks to you and your friends for keeping that "old school" knowledge alive.
Your guest mentioned Jim Bollinger also helping out with the shaft rework, and then, I think -based largely on the hat-, in the clip we can see Jim operating a boom mike.
Years ago, there was a mill just like that running at the end of our road, and that is a very familiar sound. It happened to be running off a Case tractor too, but it was a late sixties or early seventies Case, with the back tire pulled off and a belt around the rim.
I guess I will need to get our old garage all cleaned up and fixed and turn it into a museum. It had a lineshaft run by a 10hp fairbanks in the basement. South bend lathe, and bench grinder then in the attic it had a big table saw, planer, drill press, cut off saw, and I'm pretty sure a air compressor.
I have a South Bend lathe, purchased new by a local blacksmith in 1934. It has the same 2 clutch line shaft for forward and reverse. I also have a milling attachment that goes in place of the compound, to make it a horizontal boring machine.
big heavy slow machines that drank so much water and need a constant source of wood or coal..but hey, that was progress back then..they didnt know anything other than a horse and plow and other simple implements ..its this kind of steam power that helped build america.
Great time to be had perusing their exhibits. I used to live near lake Okechobee in the nineties and would attend the South Florida Fair. The Flywheelers always had a great setup there and that was what I spent most of my time checking out! Thanks Keith!
Not sure how I'd want to die... Bleed out from my arm being ripped off by a belt, or bleed out from arm sawn off falling into the saw cart. Old timers definitely had to have their head on a swivel running 10 hour shifts in that environment.
When I was a kid in the 60's dad had a 530 John Deere and we used a belt from it to a buzz saw to cut the wood salvaged from wood pallets he got from the factory he worked in. As I recall the belt was about 20 feet long and the buzz saw had about a 4' blade.
@@piperjohn_3 I was maybe 8 when he got it and we used it until I was about 16 until he got chainsaws. I guess I just took it for granted because that is the way things were back then. Thinking about now is more scary than it was back then.
In Germany there are no longer any free capacities in wood sawmills. A lot of wood had to be felled by the bark beetle and China is buying up all of the wood. So it's not even enough for the local construction sites. Small, mobile sawmills are now being operated in the forests to meet local needs. Drought, strom and bark beetles have severely affected the forest. It will take 80 years to reforest it.
Errrr Keith, the line shaft lathe. You said 8 speeds, 4 from the cone gear and 4 from the lathe head. Should that have been 16 speeds? each of the 4 speeds from the head would be usable on each of the 4 speeds from the cone gear.
Kieth, you skipped right over that Brown and Sharp mill, thats the first time Ive ever heard of them making more than small tools. Can you speak to there machine tools in a future video?
Why don't the belts walk off? I don't see guide ribs on either pulley to keep the belt on and without a tensioner, I'd think they'd just slip right off. Is the tractor just that carefully aligned or is there some design feature I'm not seeing or physics magic I'm not aware of?
*- [ KIETH ] What is the name of and date of the video you did boring and putting a bushing in?* *- [Got it] {1st vid} Boring a Clutch Arm off of a 75 HP Case Steam Traction Engine with Brian Block* *- **ua-cam.com/video/l5aeN-blckg/v-deo.html* *- {2nd video} Case Steam Engine Clutch Rebuild: Turning and Installing Bronze Bushings* *- **ua-cam.com/video/pcqRY1KB0kU/v-deo.html*
I wondered that myself. My best guess is to locate the big loud engine some distance away from the busy and dangerous sawmill. What a privilege to see this huge operation running that would never be allowed in today’s world.
@@ellieprice363 Also to give room to work around the sawmill, thresher, or whatever is belted to the engine. The length also adds to the wrap around the pulleys and weight for grip on the pulleys by the belt. It is easier to line up the belt on the pulleys the further away the engine is from the machine.
It gets the engine away from the flammable sawdust. Those old engines were known to blow some sparks and set everything on fire. My dad said that when hooked to a thresher,the engines would be 100 feet or more away
Interesting to see the engine in action. Why the king belt? I’ve seen long belts in a number of videos, in use when access wasn’t an issue. Keep firebox away from sawdust? Seems like it would be more difficult to tension.
Longer flat belts need less tension since their own weight keeps them tight over the pulleys, and the sag means they wrap further around each one which also helps power transmission
Kind of ironic watching it saw up that ugly chunk of cedar. Back when this engine was contemporary, the chunk of wood like that would not be worth the steam. And nowadays every yuppie has a live edge coffee table filled with knots and flaws that would have only been used for firewood back then.
@@ralphgesler5110 not sure what you're asking. Are you counting revs and dividing by elapsed time on the video? I'm using the audio, and tapping my metronome app with the exhaust pulses. I've done this method to check my steam engine's rpms numerous times, and verified with a sawmill tachometer. It's only as accurate as my tapping rhythm, so ballpark at best. This engine is definitely over 250 rpm though.
Nice to be able to see that part I bored doing work again. :-)
Thanks again for your help .chuck
Breathed a sigh of relief when you finished the job without that clutch arm beaning somebody.
I noticed the Lodge n Shipley lathe was originally run off a lineshaft.It has a huge truck transmission on it now. In the mid 80's I worked in a farm equipment repair shop.We had a Springfield lathe with a model A transmission for speed selection. Also the owner repaired and hammered saws for sawmills all over Ohio and into West Virginia. Al B in Ohio.
Thanks every one for helping with the case steam traction engine
I noticed tractor anchored to a utility screw anchor with a chain hoist. My career was a electric utility. Appreciate all your videos.
Never realized that a twist in the belt reverses the direction of the pulley. You gotta love lineshafts.
Good to see the clutch installed and working hard.
There is no limit to the ingenuity of man! Unfortunately, as we progress much is left behind and forgotten. Keith, my thanks to you and your friends for keeping that "old school" knowledge alive.
I remember the last time that tractor was shown, you took your viewers on a ride on it.
So good to see the repair of the part in previous videos and then to see the repaired Case back in action. Long may it run. Thanks for sharing.
Love at first sight
Your guest mentioned Jim Bollinger also helping out with the shaft rework, and then, I think -based largely on the hat-, in the clip we can see Jim operating a boom mike.
Mighty fine machine shop set up them fly wheelers have there.... Almost too clean!
Nice old line shaft display
It's my understanding that there is a met in Feb. of '22. If so I plan on attending as we will be in the area for the winter from southern Indiana.
Years ago, there was a mill just like that running at the end of our road, and that is a very familiar sound. It happened to be running off a Case tractor too, but it was a late sixties or early seventies Case, with the back tire pulled off and a belt around the rim.
That entire machine shop is immaculately turned out (pun intended) so to speak! Beautiful!
They've done a lot a work on it over the last five years.
Thanks for sharing! While I love watching your projects - it's a joy to see old machines still at work.
I guess I will need to get our old garage all cleaned up and fixed and turn it into a museum. It had a lineshaft run by a 10hp fairbanks in the basement. South bend lathe, and bench grinder then in the attic it had a big table saw, planer, drill press, cut off saw, and I'm pretty sure a air compressor.
Good tour of the shop. I also liked seeing where a repair was put to use.
I have a South Bend lathe, purchased new by a local blacksmith in 1934. It has the same 2 clutch line shaft for forward and reverse. I also have a milling attachment that goes in place of the compound, to make it a horizontal boring machine.
big heavy slow machines that drank so much water and need a constant source of wood or coal..but hey, that was progress back then..they didnt know anything other than a horse and plow and other simple implements ..its this kind of steam power that helped build america.
Yeppers, steam built the country and now hot air is destroying it!
Great video 👍. Love watching those old machines run, pure magic ! Regards from Down Under.
Great time to be had perusing their exhibits. I used to live near lake Okechobee in the nineties and would attend the South Florida Fair. The Flywheelers always had a great setup there and that was what I spent most of my time checking out!
Thanks Keith!
Call that man a detective, cuz' he's ON THE CASE!
Beautiful machine
Very neat. Amazing how these older machines worked. Great!!
Very nice Keith, thanks for sharing this. I hope to visit the Florida Flywheelers sometime.
Good to see the fruits of your labor!
That wheel is running true.
Thanks for the show and telll🤗😎🤗😎
Not sure how I'd want to die... Bleed out from my arm being ripped off by a belt, or bleed out from arm sawn off falling into the saw cart. Old timers definitely had to have their head on a swivel running 10 hour shifts in that environment.
And they smoked two packs a day, ate red meat, and .. well you know the rest! :)
@@silasmarner7586 And died at age 47...
I love traction engines. Still see them on the road in England, on their way to rallies.
Great to see the finished project in action, Thanks for making the follow up for us!
When I was a kid in the 60's dad had a 530 John Deere and we used a belt from it to a buzz saw to cut the wood salvaged from wood pallets he got from the factory he worked in. As I recall the belt was about 20 feet long and the buzz saw had about a 4' blade.
Pretty scary machine. Must have been awesome for you as a kid.
@@piperjohn_3 I was maybe 8 when he got it and we used it until I was about 16 until he got chainsaws. I guess I just took it for granted because that is the way things were back then. Thinking about now is more scary than it was back then.
I need to make it to one of these meets, Very cool machinery.
I have always been fascinated by steam power.
Very interesting video Keith, keep'um coming..
GREAT video! Thanks Mr. Rucker.
very good video keith
Another great start to a Friday!
Thanks for the video.
Perpetual motion- Steam engine runs sawmill- sawmill cuts wood- steam engine burns wood and runs sawmill.
until the wood finish...
the most interesting fact is that it burns much less than saws.
great stuff, more of it.
I find tours of steam driven machinery to be some of your more interesting ones.
name one machine built today that will still be running in 110 years :)
You mean if the fuel is still available.
Mackwell locomotive lol or most of the stuff that the Amish use
In Germany there are no longer any free capacities in wood sawmills. A lot of wood had to be felled by the bark beetle and China is buying up all of the wood. So it's not even enough for the local construction sites. Small, mobile sawmills are now being operated in the forests to meet local needs. Drought, strom and bark beetles have severely affected the forest. It will take 80 years to reforest it.
Thanks for taking the time and effort posting the video
Thanks for sharing 👍
Pretty nice 👍 good luck with it John
Thanks Keith; nice show.
Errrr Keith, the line shaft lathe.
You said 8 speeds, 4 from the cone gear and 4 from the lathe head.
Should that have been 16 speeds?
each of the 4 speeds from the head would be usable on each of the 4 speeds from the cone gear.
Neat video. I LOVE field trip days!
Kieth, you skipped right over that Brown and Sharp mill, thats the first time Ive ever heard of them making more than small tools. Can you speak to there machine tools in a future video?
A CANDY STORE for us seniors !! :)
Overalls heaven.
Nicely done! I have a couple sawmill blades in my shop, never seen one of that size in operation.
What is the purpose or advantage of such a long flat belt between the steam engine and the saw mill?
Thank you for sharing. Very much enjoyed.
Amazing. Thanks for sharing.
What type of timber is that you were running through the sawmill?
How long does it take to line up the tractor to the saw pulley to keep it the belt from coming off?
I thought that guy was working on his "Jump to Conclusions" mat.
Good morning sir
75 REAL horsepower!
Why don't the belts walk off? I don't see guide ribs on either pulley to keep the belt on and without a tensioner, I'd think they'd just slip right off. Is the tractor just that carefully aligned or is there some design feature I'm not seeing or physics magic I'm not aware of?
At 6:36, it appears the engine was operating at almost exactly 240 rpm because it is in sync with the camera.
More like 300 rpm.
I hope I'm not bringing up bad memories...
What ever happened to he J. A. Vance Planer/Matched from 6+ years ago?
Just in Case.
Does the tractor need to be so far away or is that just that the tractor is noisy and there not being much room to get too close?
*- [ KIETH ] What is the name of and date of the video you did boring and putting a bushing in?*
*- [Got it] {1st vid} Boring a Clutch Arm off of a 75 HP Case Steam Traction Engine with Brian Block*
*- **ua-cam.com/video/l5aeN-blckg/v-deo.html*
*- {2nd video} Case Steam Engine Clutch Rebuild: Turning and Installing Bronze Bushings*
*- **ua-cam.com/video/pcqRY1KB0kU/v-deo.html*
What's that tiny little lathe in the old timey area?
Hiya Keith
That log looks like it is special order for the crooked little man to build his crooked little house.
were they feeding sawmill offcuts to the steam engine?
is there a reason for such a long belt connecting the engine to the sawmill ?
I wondered that myself. My best guess is to locate the big loud engine some distance away from the busy and dangerous sawmill. What a privilege to see this huge operation running that would never be allowed in today’s world.
@@ellieprice363 Also to give room to work around the sawmill, thresher, or whatever is belted to the engine. The length also adds to the wrap around the pulleys and weight for grip on the pulleys by the belt. It is easier to line up the belt on the pulleys the further away the engine is from the machine.
It gets the engine away from the flammable sawdust. Those old engines were known to blow some sparks and set everything on fire. My dad said that when hooked to a thresher,the engines would be 100 feet or more away
Were the same steam engines capable of running on wood or coal? Or were they one or the other?
Yes they could run wood or coal. That is unless they are setup for oil fuel, then it would be oil only.
Interesting to see the engine in action. Why the king belt? I’ve seen long belts in a number of videos, in use when access wasn’t an issue. Keep firebox away from sawdust? Seems like it would be more difficult to tension.
Longer flat belts need less tension since their own weight keeps them tight over the pulleys, and the sag means they wrap further around each one which also helps power transmission
@@thaumaturgicresearchcounci4180 Thanks. Would never have guessed.
@@robertbamford8266 I imagine its probably as you say, to keep the fire away from the wood too!
6:54 So what does that yellow engine do?
It's for when you don't have a reliable and free steam engine available.
Kind of ironic watching it saw up that ugly chunk of cedar. Back when this engine was contemporary, the chunk of wood like that would not be worth the steam. And nowadays every yuppie has a live edge coffee table filled with knots and flaws that would have only been used for firewood back then.
16 speeds. 4 speeds for each pulley setting.
KEITH, VERY NICE, GREAT VIDEO, PS DON'T FORGET THE CATS AND DOGS...
Put a tach on that engine it is going TOO FAST!
Umm, do you know more about their process than they do? Seems odd!
250 rpm is typical. It does sound a bit fast, maybe about 300 by tapping my metronome.
@@paulcopeland9035 Likely
@@dkrenshaw That would would be 50rpm over rated speed
@@ralphgesler5110 not sure what you're asking. Are you counting revs and dividing by elapsed time on the video? I'm using the audio, and tapping my metronome app with the exhaust pulses. I've done this method to check my steam engine's rpms numerous times, and verified with a sawmill tachometer. It's only as accurate as my tapping rhythm, so ballpark at best. This engine is definitely over 250 rpm though.